Subzero Fridge - Is It Worth It?
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- Is a Subzero fridge worth the money? This is a question we often get from our customers shopping for the perfect refrigerator for their home. Our answer is simple: yes, because of these four main factors:
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We have a sub zero. 29 years old. We keep up with the maintenance of cleaning every year. Yes they are worth it!
We have 642 since 2000 all fine however I cannot find the specs to follow instructions to tighten the outside right side door handle. Do you have a suggestion? thank you, ddm
Dee Dee Sklar We found a local certified sub zero repairman. We have not had any problems with our door handle yet. However, he cleans it very well and the engine looks new every time.
He told me with sub zeros always always have a certified sub zero repairman work on them. I hope this helps.
Do you get annual maintenance work done on the fridge?
NileshR12 yes, every year by a certified SubZero technician.
Subzero, Wolf, Viking, all for the looks, absolutely not for the performance. I had Subzero in the previous house, I now have Viking in the current one, both over $10,000 MSRP, yet they share the exact same problem, premature rust at the old fashioned, cheaply made freezing compartment. They are not using stainless steel or aluminum there, and charge us that money? Can't blame them as there is no substitute in the vain snobbish people's mind.
Like Rolex, LV bags, and stupid diamond rings, these high-end(?), poorly built appliances have absolutely ZERO practical value, people buy them to just show them off to others to get $$$ respect $$$. Pathetic. All of these vain, materialistic thingy break down easily, high maintenance, almost impossible to repair, hard to replace, yet they set your empty soul apart from less valuable common folks and make you feel better for that, nothing else.
My model 561 was installed in 1988, and is still ridiculously awesome.
Glad to hear it's still going strong! Longevity is certainly a large reason to invest in a Sub-Zero refrigerator.
Yes. The late 80s & early 90s model are better because they are mechanical. The news ones are electric run. The older models have thicker copper pipes the new ones are thin because copper is so expensive. They are built to last for sure.
I just replaced my 30-year-old 561 today as the bottom was rusting out and leaking water. I hope the new one lasts as long.
Allen Ruschman I was born in 1988☺️
Good luck with electricity
I have a subzero in my house from 1998 and still works great. I hope they make the new ones just as good
Our SubZero lasted 22 years before dying this year. After two repair attempts the compressor basically was going. Replacing it, we were warned the new units last only 10 to 12 years as they as with everyone else have cut costs. So we plan to enjoy it as long as we can.
Same deal with my father in laws sub zero that he bought as a floor model in the 90s. Disappointing, but I am still saving to buy one.
so are you saying the newer subzero fridge's are not as high quality as the old one's
@@DrAlexanderHamilton That is what the sales team told me. Still good quality, but because of all the computer chips for monitoring the door being open, the air filter, the water filter, and all connected to wi-fi they don't last as long as the simpler older models that lack all those electronics. It was just installed this past September as we ordered it January 2022 and it took 9 months to arrive. It has worked fine so far (just one light bulb was not screwed in correctly upon deliver and when I tightened it, it worked fine). I guess I will find out in about 12 years if it is still working fully or not.
My mom has subzero fridge since i wasnt born yet in 1998, still works till now
Wow. You just convinced me to get subzero for our new home. Thanks for the video.
We purchased out 501r in 1998. We were told that it was 12 years old at that time which would make it 37 years old and still going. We did have one large repair, but it's so much better than throwing away cheap refrigerators. Just today, I started taking the shelves apart, scrubbing all of the gaskets and touching up any chips in the paint.
The reason these last long is because people are willing to repair them due to their cost. Not because they’re more reliable. I can say that as an owner I have had to have mine repaired just about as often as any standard fridge
Agreed.
These featues dont make a diffrence to longevity. Vaccum seals do the opposite of lasting long. I bought a standard refrigerator and freezer for a very cheap few $100 dollars and even though they're not my main fridge & freezer anymore, they still work perfectly 21+ years later. Most fridges last for ever and if sub zero lasts 35 years vs the standard 30, then its not worth paying 60x or 6000% the price for something barely better than the bottom of the barrel fridge.
I've also never done any maintenance on any of my fridges and they are used heavily (icemaker empty at least 2-3 times a week)
good point
Nonsense
This was very informative. I love the fact that it’s made in the 🇺🇸
We’ve had two Sub-Zeros, one side by side and one with freezer drawers. Getting ready to build and putting in a 72”. We love Sub-Zero and they are totally worth the money!
SubZero is renowned across the land as the reason for many, many service and parts replacement calls
We spent nearly $35,000 on Wolf and Sub-Zero appliances (not from this authorized dealership tho). First, the built-in coffee maker never got to a hot temperature. Called customer service numerous times within the first month of being installed and they sent out someone to work on it but they never could get it any hotter so we don't use it since it makes luke warm coffee. Sub-zero/Wolf gave us an extended warrenty on our refrigerator because of the issue for the coffee maker??? Second, built in double oven has never been at the precise temp so we have always had to guess and bake longer and one of the lights burned out within the first 5 months of use. Third, the gas cooktop knobs do not stay in position. They will slightly turn/float so you can't get at a precise temperature. For example, if you want it on med heat and place the knobs to the middle it will eventually float to simmer. This happens to two of the knobs and started since first purchased. And last, refrigerator alarm kept sounding so I called customer service and the rep was rude and augmentative. That was the last straw and therefor this review. If you think these are top of the line appliances without issues you will be disappointed. I would skip buying because they are overpriced and definently not worth it!!
Agreed. "Top of the line" in name only.
I also have a $400 Wolf toaster, got it as a gift actually.... It's size is huge, but most bread don't even fit in, the compartments are too small.... Even those that fit, top portion (of the toaster) is always not toasted at all!! $40 toaster from costco performs far better than this. But I have to tell you, it looks stunning in kitchen, when not in use...
Agreed!
These featues dont make a diffrence to longevity. Vaccum seals do the opposite of lasting long. I bought a standard refrigerator and freezer for a very cheap few $100 dollars and even though they're not my main fridge & freezer anymore, they still work perfectly 21+ years later. Most fridges last for ever and if sub zero lasts 35 years vs the standard 30, then its not worth paying 60x or 6000% the price for something barely better than the bottom of the barrel fridge.
I've also never done any maintenance on any of my fridges and they are used heavily (icemaker empty at least 2-3 times a week)
i'd still buy the wolf range though due the high but output on all stoves and we cook a lot for a big family daily
@@sbkarajan bro wolf / subzero is bought by rich people to make their kitchens look better… kitchens they don’t use at ALL. Just showroom pieces.
Yes they are worth it. I became obsessed with after I visited y friends house in the 90s and saw the subzero integrated with the cabinets they were pretty rich folks but I never saw that before
As a professional appliance salesman, I can easily echo this video. In a world of subpar quality disposable appliances, sub zero stands as the last beacon of hope that quality in manufacturing and engineering isn’t completely lost!
The maintenance costs will double the price.
@@paulp6397 So. I'd rather pay to maintain my appliance (like I do with my car) than have to continually replace it. Not only does it take time and effort to do so, but it can ruin the look of the kitchen (appliances won't match, gaps between cabinets, etc.).
There are other premium brands such as Thermador. Sub Zero is not the last word in quality.
As salesperson your job is to sell. The more expensive the better
@@paulp6397 I had a kenmore for 3 years before it died. Literally. They still sell them for 1800 !
If you enjoy the way an S Class Mercedes door closes, then you will prefer a Sub-Zero. I’m a middle class guy and have had them for 18 years. No competition n my opinion. Plus they look great.
I bought a 36" wide Subzero 550 in 2005, it was new, but actually built in 2000. After both the freezer and fridge compressors failed last year, Subzero paid for both compressors and most of the labor to repair and replace them. Everyone has different opinions about everything, but I think Subzero is an incredible company, especially after it paid to fix a 20 year old unit. Plus I built a 'stainless steel' restaurant style kitchen in my home, and the Subzero with stainless panels installed looks stunning, no other unit comes close to match the beauty or reliability and customer service of a Subzero.
You should elaborate your extra ordinary claim that subzero paid for your "most of" the labor. How much did the parts cost YOU to replace? $2,000? $3,000? My Viking refrigerator just died, out of warranty, and I am trying to get service, but I am supposed to wait for a week for the "certified" repairman just to take a look, and they are charging $200 for the visit, just for the diagnosis. Oh, the review of the repair company is extra ordinary too, lots of 1 star reviews followed by comparable number of 5 star reviews, and I am not very happy. There was a review, 1 star, that said this repairman came, spent less than 10 min to diagnose, and told the homeowner to replace the refrigerator and charged $200 for the visit, lol.
@@sbkarajan every repair facility has their own pricing structure, and initial Subzero repair analysis cost me $150.00 for the 'analysis'. Subzero paid $2000 for the compressors and other parts needed to fix the major problem, and I paid close to $500 for the labor Subzero did not cover. Like a Lexus, or any other high quality and well made product, both parts and repair cost can be higher than most, but the Subzero stands alone for quality and workmanship. My next purchase will be a commercial grade restaurant 48" stand alone fridge and separate freezer; these products cost much less than similar Subzero models, and are mounted on casters for easy cleaning and come in a beautiful stainless outer appearance. True is a great brand for the commercial line of products. I have 4 large Macaws, and need to store a lot of nuts, fruits, vegetables, and a variety of seeds, so my needs might be different than most people. I built a restaurant level kitchen with all stainless steel countertops to make cleanup quick and easy.
@@MacawAviculture These featues dont make a diffrence to longevity. Vaccum seals do the opposite of lasting long. I bought a standard refrigerator and freezer for a very cheap few $100 dollars and even though they're not my main fridge & freezer anymore, they still work perfectly 21+ years later. Most fridges last for ever and if sub zero lasts 35 years vs the standard 30, then its not worth paying 60x or 6000% the price for something barely better than the bottom of the barrel fridge.
I've also never done any maintenance on any of my fridges and they are used heavily (icemaker empty at least 2-3 times a week)
The amount you spend would have gotten me new units good for another who knows how long b/c mines are still working
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br you should always do what pleases you most. I love the SubZero, it is truly a work of art!
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br You keep repeating yourself - DO you work for Viking . . . smh
This is the type of pitch my wife would buy in to.
don't they all lol
😂 my husband would say the same!
Yeah, seriously. What they don't tell you is that even mass-produced refrigerators are very efficient with energy. Unless you have serious bad luck, refrigerators are simple machines that have been around for decades. Why would you want to spend 4-5 times the amount? You can replace the unit 4 or 5 times in twenty years and have the latest and greatest.
@@DctorSkillz1 Who wants to keep replacing their fridge 4-5 times in 20 years, especially if you have a certain amount of space with cabinets and don't want that huge gap between the top of a fridge and the cabinets above it (ugly)? Also, they don't make cheaper appliances very well these days (just ask Samsung) and they often need multiple service calls. Plus, the customer service from cheaper brands often stinks. In addition, appliance research is exhausting and time consuming. If you have time to waste, I guess that makes sense, but many of us have no desire to continually replace appliances in our homes because newer appliances are never as good as what was made before.
I lived in a High end apartment in NYC, with a Subzero, and it did a great job, no issues.
I am surprised to hear that each contains its own compressor and evaporator. I thought only the column models have that, not the basic side by sides.
I put a Sub Zero sticker on my Samsung, wow it's so much better now.
Lol!
you should sell it (as a Sub Z)and buy a real one, ha-ha.
Probably it will perform better than the real one. Subzero is a crap.
@@sbkarajan amazing considering how much they cost. Doesn't anyone make one that actually lasts still.
They don't even resemble a Samsung in any way
Can you say something about Gaggenau vs sub zero?
So I've been seeing a lot of high end refrigerators with a wine cellar installed next to it. My question is, aren't vibrations bad for wine, wouldn't the refrigerator next to the cellar be bad for the wine due to the vibrations?
Sub Zero has variable speed compressors so there's very little if any vibration!
Ill just wait for scorpion to come out with his version.
Itd be ranges, ovens and microwaves though
MORTAL KOMBAT!!!!!!
I'll only get the Pro 48 if it comes with inverter technology/variable speed compressor. Can't find any detail regarding this anywhere. Ridiculous.
I have one and yes it is good with a very solid construction.
Yet it also breaks down every few years and it is super expensive to fix. I also have a Samsung on a second home that is as good, great looking and has all the features that they are touting on this video for a third of the price.
It is like buying a Jaguar automobile. It is beautiful to look at, but the maintenance costs are ridiculous.
Its worth it believe me!!!! Have had lettuce saty good for almost 3 weeks.
Wow! A slightly colder fridge!
for years longer
The most common question is is it qorth the money like the company is going to say no
So if its built to last 20 years which you said how come the warranty is only 2 years ua-cam.com/video/jCI3orr1ta4/v-deo.html ? Why not 20 ? if you wanna stand behind your product ?
Worth every penny.
Would love to know your thoughts on the sub-zero vs the 400 series from Gaggenau.
How much is the sub zero refrigerator?
Mine is 20 years old. Still looks and runs like new.
@@CGrantL My parents have always used GE appliances. They lasted at least 20 years. They replaced all their appliances about five years ago and so far the dishwasher and the refrigerator died. I think the new stuff is junk
How much have you spent on maintenance?
Had a Sub Zero built in refrigerator freezer combo for 25 years, never had 1 problem with! Sold the house 11 years ago to the new buyer So! Still working flawlessly, 36 years old! Sub Zero is the Bugatti of Refrigerators and Freezers, everything else is Junk!
Are the new ones as good?
BS!
These featues dont make a diffrence to longevity. Vaccum seals do the opposite of lasting long. I bought a standard refrigerator and freezer for a very cheap few $100 dollars and even though they're not my main fridge & freezer anymore, they still work perfectly 21+ years later. Most fridges last for ever and if sub zero lasts 35 years vs the standard 30, then its not worth paying 60x or 6000% the price for something barely better than the bottom of the barrel fridge.
I've also never done any maintenance on any of my fridges and they are used heavily (icemaker empty at least 2-3 times a week)
Well, number 5 is that there is more profit when sold.
Tony Yayo sent me here.
Looking at a co-op with this amazing company!
YES, YES, YES! Sub Zero is worth every Penny. Manufactured in the United States. We have a 650 twenty-two years old. Working perfectly. My next will be the Pro 48. These refrigerators were developed by a man who needed a safe way to store insulin. These units are pressure sealed.
I just got a subzero 640 and im amazed at how good this refrigerator is! how or who can I contact to make sure it is running at peak performance? Can someone help?
Hello Albert009 - congrats on your new SubZero! You will love it for years to come. Who did you purchase from? You can either contact the original dealer for use and care manuals or go to www.subzero-wolf.com/assistance where they have a bunch of FAQ resources, contact and service info to keep your unit running 100%.
If you contact the seller they can give you a list of contractors who are certified to service. As a last resort you can contract sub zero to find out if they have an authorized/certified service partner in the area.
Speak to your banker.
I have a Sub Zero refrigerator. It is customized with cherry wood panels that matches the surrounding cabinets perfectly. I would agree everything you said if it never needs a replacement. Recently my refrigerator is broken and needs to replace. Due to its size and customization, of cause plus Sub Zero's reputation, I'm looking for another Sub Zero refrigerator. The experience I had tells me to stay away with this brand if it's possible. First, it discontinued French door wood panel products. The look and feel doesn't make Sub Zero stands out any more. Second, even I want to pay much more than other brands to have a stainless steel face refrigerator, it needs at least ONE YEAR to get it. What are they thinking, the customers will buy another refrigerator and get rid of it one year after? It is not acceptable for Sub Zero to treat people spending $12000+ to buy their product. I will have option to have a loaner when drop my car for oil change in repair shop for one day. Pick other manufactures when you have choices.
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I'm thinking I'm going to buy one
On marketplace for $500.
Good idea?
I bought a kitchenaid 48" integrated after seeing the price of Miele and Sub Zero. They can claim the latter is a better product but in the end, they all need some servicing sooner or later. I saved myself 10 grand going with kitchenaid, I'm sure I won't spend the difference in servicing for many years. Don't believe what they claim, in the end, its still a fridge and spending over 20 grand is ridiculous. The fridge never gets mentioned in a realtors listing either, don't believe that crap. My neighbor has been selling houses for 30 years and has never listed the brand of any appliance in the listing.
July 31, 2022 9:56 am... I am looking at this UA-cam video because of the Show Sunday Morning showing theses SubZero Refrigerator ? "WOW !?" that price !!! never going to understand why something "Made In America 🇺🇸!?" is so expensive than other products brought over seas ? all over seas?
Honestly...Between this Sub Zero and Gaggenau who makes the best fridges...??? I had my eyes on Gaggenau for a while and thought it the best,to be honest,I had never heard of Sub-Zero before watching this video and I’m sold on it.
definitely worth the money. I just purchased a high end home with a built in unit. It cools consistently with it's vacuum system and insulation. This unit has the quality of those made 40 years ago. Prior to now the average refridgerator lasts 5-7 years if lucky. In this case buy cheap get cheap.
Even now if I got to an expensive house or a friend does a remodified I don't see subzero I'll be like you're smoking crack.
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I would only buy Sub Zero or Wolf 😊👍🏼🎉
Why?
@@paulp6397 + I like the to brand's good quality and they last quite a while. Made to last a long time. Just my preference
Very helpful thank you. Subzero all the way!!🌈
We had a built-in Sub-zero and the equivalent GE Monogram model. The GE is just as good for half the price.
Interesting comment Maurice Cohen - can you give us more info on why you think GE is just as good? You might help other customers who are on the fence with purchasing their next refrigerator :-)
my GE only lasted a month. never again. within one month it won't Cool anything.
@James Doolittle That is a disgusting racist comment.
@James Doolittle It isn't racist. It's just a fact. GE did sell their appliance side of their business to Haier, which is a Chinese company.
A product that depreciates every year is not an investment.
This doesn make a diffrence to longevity. Vaccum seals do the opposite of lasting long. I bought a standard refrigerator and freezer for a very cheap few $100 dollars and even though they're not my main fridge & freezer anymore, they still work perfectly 21+ years later. Most fridges last for ever and if sub zero lasts 35 years vs the standard 30, then its not worth paying 60x or 6000% the price for something barely better than the bottom of the barrel fridge
It’s just hype product lol
what fridge lasts 30 years now adays lol. you're lucky if it'll go ten without repair.
as for your fridge that wasn't your main fridge it probably lasted long bc it wasn't opened often saving the life of the compressor
Enjoy your POS
They are not worth it. We had all sort of problems with it. And it has been going on with many people we know. Also the cost to fix it is extremely high.
Hi Suzy - sorry to hear this. Have you tried reaching out to SubZero? Here is their direct number: (800) 222-7820. Depending on when you purchased your refrigerator, you may still be under warranty. Their patented sealed system (essentially the heart of the unit, including compressors, condensers, evaporators, driers and even tubing) is under warranty for a full five years. After five years, the unit is covered on the sealed system with a limited 12-year warranty.
I clicked on this going oh how much could they be like 4 grand ? Then I look them up and they're 10-15k for a basic one. I'd love to have one but now I understand why I've only seen them in rich peoples houses
How does it compare to a Viking built in?
Don't ever buy viking
@@aw7612 I ended up buying a Viking and I had to be replaced 3 times until I got one that was not defective. Even then it had a scratch and now I’m in the process of having the refrigerator door panel replaced.
Yeah I'm a service technician I work on both vkikng and sub zero. Sub zero is the best refrigerator out there period viking used to be good. Not anymore though
@@aw7612 what about Thermador and Gaggenau?
Or Officine Gullo?
Or La Cornue? Or do they only make ranges?
@@apilkey so Thermador and gagging now are the same the exact same they have design issues with their evaporator fans and their compressor and condensers I work on them a lot I make a lot of money off of their repairs get a Subzero LA cornue and the other one only make ranges as far as I know
designed for 20 years but only 2 years guaranty? ...
That's not true the cooling system is 12 years.
@@topgunno286 Still not 20 years.
@@paulp6397 it's designed to operate for 20 years and they guarantee to make parts for it for 20 years. I repair some sub zeros over 35 years old.
Tell them the truth mate. SubZero is a BRAND and it's price is 3 times higher than many other fridges. Is it worth it? You will know it within 20 years..
I just moved in to a house with a sub-zero that the previous owners bought in 2001 according to the receipt. Now I have to rebuild it. Maybe the timer is set to 20 years. Either way, if the rebuild last another 20 it will be worth it.
About what would the rebuild cost? Trying to decide if buying a used subzero is worth the price!
@@rachelschmidt1161 We've received 2 quotes from different appliance vendors who were Subzero dealers. They both quote around $2100
The list price for the 4850 is 18 grand...I love this refrigerator...but even If I was a billionaire I would not pay that ...why would anyone?
The buyers have self esteem issues or are architects.
We would not own anything else. And yes, foods really stay fresher longer....no doubt about it.
Why not just put spoiled food in a compost pile and buy fresh foods?
@@DctorSkillz1 Much cheaper than paying 5x more for a refrigerator.
I will tell u this i have a subzero fridge the model 550 that was discontinued in 1996 and its now 2021 all we have to do is maintenance it every year. Bottom line its WORTH IT.
A pre-2000 unit is probably worth its weight in gold, and they are HEAVY.
For $37,000 it better not only preserve food but freeze time.
If its so good, it should give a guarantee for 15 years.
How can a $15-25k fridge or fridge+freezer be worth the price when a similar $2000 to $3000 new fridge+freezer combo available today? Drop the value added from 'spoiled foods' and 'resell value' 2:48" look at the ripped laminate on the lower right hand corner of the door!
Oh baloney. My fridge does that. Sun zero runs constantly. It was loud at night.
Can i have it in canada ?
Yes but you need to go to specialty appliance stores like Trail Appliances or Coast Appliances. They do not sell these in low end stores like Home Depot or Costco
In Toronto try Kaplan’s or Canadian Appliance Store
Just get Miele or Gaggenau, much better.
Only 13k to 18k +
What a load of B.S. First of all, it's not an "investment". An investment grows in value; an old subzero fridge doesn't. Secondly, my subzero fridge is absolutely NOT better at preserving food, compared to my other fridge, a cheap Whirlpool. As to resale value, an old subzero fridge is time bomb. The buyer can be assured of one thing: ridiculously expensive repair bills.
@James Doolittle Self esteem issues?
The answer to the question posed here is absolutely no. My wife and I are building our last house and we're going all out. I can't tell you how disappointed we were at these premium refrigerators. They are not worth the money unless you just want to show off period. They are all cabinet depth and even the 42 inch models hold about as much as a standard 36 inch refrigerator which is as much as 1/5 the price. I just don't get it. I would rather have a commercial refrigerator but the wife did not like the look so we're opting standard 28 cubic foot 36 inch model. Our last refrigerator lasted almost 12 years so you're still ahead of the game.
That is a very poor warranty term
Try Fhiaba not even to canpare
ARE 4, not "is (there's)" 4. Duh. Pass.
Home resell value.... ahahahah!
A complete canard for the uneducated.
Quality has gone south on sub zero.
Chinese copper rots from the inside out.
This creates a lot of refrigerant leaks.
Many manufacturers have done the same thing.
In about 4 years is the time frame for a major failure.
I have been in this industry for 57 years.
I wouldn't recommend it!!!!
I worked there. Quality had for sure gone down. They cant even find good employees anymore. They pushed most of the veterans out with how they treat shop employees.
@@kylebuelow5398 hey Kyle thanks for your reply.
Many manufacturers drop quality to save a nickel.
Of course after 200 k units that's a lot of nickels.
I started a long time ago 😂
1965.
It's very sad the US government gave it away.
The USA manufacturers built things to last.
But ship it all overseas and build it cheaper.
In another country but you have double shipping fees.
I bet they waste a bunch of money 💰
So Sub zero kicked out the wise one's.
Sad thing.
Terrible timing.
Well thanks for your reply
They are NOT worth it. We waited a year and it’s been a piece of junk for a year, constant repair, now off the warranty. Do t spend the money!!! Worst fridg we’ve ever had.
The fact that you have to maintain this pile of crap every few years should be insulting given the price tag. I guess people love to be swindled
Good thing Sub Zeros are not designed for the average family because the average family doesn't cook real food or bother with leftovers.
Dude that’s some cold ass TRUTH though😂😂😂😂 I ain never heard of this brand before and thanks to this presentation,I’m sold on it...I’m still very much average but working on elevating myself to get to the top level that you’re perhaps sitting comfy at.😉 P.S No offense taken but rather find this highly inspirational
@@Tlhakxza RU often swindled?