Choosing Large Fruit-Producing Shrubs for Food Forest Design: Great Choices, Cautionary Tales

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  • @CanadianPermacultureLegacy
    @CanadianPermacultureLegacy 2 роки тому +51

    It's always so valuable to get advice from people who are further ahead in their plantings than us! Thanks for sharing all this!

    • @mumbairay
      @mumbairay 2 роки тому +2

      How's the zone 5 fig doing?
      It is epic how you got it growing!

    • @Tsuchimursu
      @Tsuchimursu 2 роки тому

      Agreed :)

    • @DazzleCamo
      @DazzleCamo 7 місяців тому

      Keith, have you noticed shade being an issue for your sea buckthorns?

  • @MyArnette
    @MyArnette 22 дні тому +1

    You are such a wealth of information

  • @scifi85
    @scifi85 2 роки тому +30

    At 6a(Western Ukraine) we eat red viburnum only when frost is there. Berries are far less bitter when it's cold.
    Since berries are very rich in vitamins we mash them with sugar and add to our tea or just hot water during winter.
    So we treat it more like medicine than food.

    • @LK-3000
      @LK-3000 Рік тому +2

      Good to know. Thank you for the information.

  • @ghettohomestead9254
    @ghettohomestead9254 2 роки тому +13

    Hi 👋, just an fyi, I found hazelnut shrubs to be wonderful in food forest design. They start producing early, just three years after birth. The nuts promote good health and are a great protein source.

  • @kristina_lynn
    @kristina_lynn 2 роки тому +6

    Yess you are the first one I've seen on UA-cam to show the romance series bush cherries, I have 2 and i havent seen anyone show them while mature! Mine are babies

  • @hendyappleton5701
    @hendyappleton5701 2 роки тому +11

    All the thorny plants that are potential problems in a small garden are great options for a deer-resistant hedgerow. Deer are a MAJOR problem in my garden (and getting moreso!), so anything I can do to discourage them and/or direct them toward easier-to-access forage is desirable. It also expands my available growing space to the "bad" side of the fences protecting my really delicious plants, like all my annual vegetables.

    • @tgardenchicken1780
      @tgardenchicken1780 2 роки тому

      Good luck growing your 'fedge'. I have more issues with rabbits, squirrels and raccoon-very urban location.

    • @AmelieHarms
      @AmelieHarms 2 роки тому +1

      I've been thinking of deer proofing/redirecting with sea buckthorn, but it's a big project. And I would be redirecting the deer to my gardening neighbour. 😬 Maybe if she moves and someone not interested in gardening buys the house. 😅

  • @09echols
    @09echols 2 роки тому +9

    I've learned to add a little salt to any food that is too bitter for me. When I'm juicing or making jams/ jellies I add up to a teaspoon of salt.

  • @wudangmtn
    @wudangmtn 2 роки тому +2

    Love your channel! I used to live in Portland. I took Andrew Morrison’s on-line Intro to Permaculture course while I lived there. I found that I could not afford to purchase land in the area, or on the west coast for that matter; so I moved to North Carolina and purchased six acres. I also received my PDC certificate from Wild Abundance near Asheville. I wish I had known you while I was in Portland.
    I recently bought thirteen trees to start my food forest. Now, I need to do a one time till to add lime to the soil: it is very acidic in this area. Then I will be up and running. Thanks for the great info!

  • @Erewhon2024
    @Erewhon2024 Рік тому +2

    Location defines climate but USDA zones do not. The Florida panhandle is mostly in Zone 8b also (same winter minimum, which unfortunately is all the USDA zones are based on). Almost nothing that grows in Portland, OR, will survive in the Deep South. (Feijoa will, and does better in the South because it likes summer heat.) Summers are oppressively hot and humid, with heavy rainfall (opposite of the Maritime or Mediterranean West Coast USA). Pest pressure is very high. Winter also gets some rainfall, which can be difficult for most desert plants and even for monsoon plants (typical of Asia) which are native to areas with little winter rain. Winter is very short (unlike the PNW), and doesn't provide enough chill hours for temperate crops to "wake up" and bloom. Uruguay (where Feijoa and jelly palms are from) seems a good climate match for the US Gulf Coast, though Native cultures in neither location seemed to have become very advanced agriculturally pre-contact, so the # of edible crops seems less than for the SE USA itself, and far less than in Mediterranean, Andean, Mexican, or East Asian centers of biodiversity, less even than northern Europe.
    Key point: ask locals. Don't take Hardiness Zones very seriously, since they tell very little about actual climate.

  • @katjacornucopia
    @katjacornucopia 2 роки тому +2

    Thank you, Angela. Love your videos.
    Seabuckthorn is great for freezing and using for tea in the winter: with cinnamon and honey.

    • @AmelieHarms
      @AmelieHarms 2 роки тому

      I favorite is to eat them frozen as sour candies. 😆
      But they're lovely in desserts with a lot of sugar.

  • @LK-3000
    @LK-3000 Рік тому +1

    I appreciate these videos. Thank you for going into detail on these as it helps me think about what I want to plant in my permaculture garden.

  • @RedneckHillbillies
    @RedneckHillbillies 2 роки тому +1

    LOL'd at the zombie apocalypse food. I have a couple Romeos and Juliets ordered and I'm happy to see a mature one in bloom like that.👍 Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience.

  • @nmnate
    @nmnate 2 роки тому +11

    Excellent advice on trying the fruit before you plant... I tried jujubes before I planted mine (love them, by the way...). Then I tried some local, fresh Goji berries from the farmers market (made my wife try some too). Yeah, there's no way you could ever convince me to plant Goji berries. I gambled a little bit on aronia, as I wasn't able to try them first. Luckily I don't think they're that astringent, so eating them fresh is OK by me. I've had red currants and gooseberries before, so those were no-brainers. I'm not a huge fan of black currants, but I'll put native ones in anyways as they're such good plants to have in the yard.

    • @JensNyborg
      @JensNyborg 2 роки тому +4

      Just because I've run into North Americans before who thought little of black currants because they'd tried eating them fresh of the bush:
      Here in Europe, where they are hugely popular no-one does that.
      We make juice from them, and we put them in cakes or ice cream.
      Using un-sweetend black currant juice you can also make a very good non-alcoholic glühwein (spiced wine).

    • @MadameAskenDunn
      @MadameAskenDunn 2 роки тому

      I also don't like fresh goji berries, esp the texture! But they make excellent jam.

  • @eekisvreemd1986
    @eekisvreemd1986 2 роки тому +3

    I love hearing the maybe’s and nono’s! Im in a pretty similar climate (the Netherlands) and am designing our half acre from scratch. I think i find mostly “top 5/10” to plant video’s, but not much about what not to plant or, what to think twice about. So thank you, for sharing your experiences! 💚

  • @dbbdeb2327
    @dbbdeb2327 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you for such valuable local info. I am in Corbett

  • @jujularue7611
    @jujularue7611 2 роки тому +1

    Buckthorn is incredible with some sugar and you can mix it with sparkling water in summer. Same goes for highbush cranberry. And the bitterness is something you do not notice after some time. Maybe because I grew with those plants in the garden, I never was shocked by the taste, we ate lots of tree berries like mountain ash or hawthorn.

  • @Tsuchimursu
    @Tsuchimursu 2 роки тому +1

    I can't try many of the "typical Permaculture plants" because they're unheard of in Finland! But I still get seeds. I have plenty of land to experiment on.

  • @James-ol2fr
    @James-ol2fr 2 роки тому +3

    Hey Angela, thank you for these videos! I'm in a different climate but love when experienced gardeners give food-producing perennials lists!
    Are you familiar with the plant health pyramid by John Kempf of AEA? He talks a lot about increasing plant health and also on his channel there is a lecture by an entomologist who studies the relationships between "pests" and their food. You've mentioned pests a number of times and you might find it helpful. Supposedly, high health plants don't attract aphids, etc. It may havebeen the episode with Joe Lewis oranother entomologist.

  • @jSheapullen
    @jSheapullen 8 місяців тому

    I love your videos of awsome information. I have to research for bushes and trees for my front yard in the south though!

  • @tashazelmer6621
    @tashazelmer6621 2 роки тому +4

    Highbush cranberry makes an amazing jelly, just add honey or sugar. I love the berries! Its an individual preference. I addicted to them like sour candy. Better than real cranberry in my opinion. Seabuckthorn is amazing in so many ways, love the taste of them raw and adding them to smoothies. I planted a black chokeberry next to my seabuckthorn so now I'm worried about it getting shaded out. I also planted an elderberry close to my seabuckthorn...oops.

    • @MoniMeka
      @MoniMeka 2 роки тому

      Lmaooooooo @ oops

  • @kristilee671
    @kristilee671 2 роки тому +1

    Love these specific plant videos! Thanks so much.

  • @YenniHope
    @YenniHope 2 роки тому +2

    Good video, thank you. Also rosa rugosas can be invasive - they are actually forbidden in Finland these days because they have become such a problem especially in shore areas forming huge impermeable growth . There are varieties that are not as invasive (and also not forbidden here), but with the common one you should be quite careful.

    • @AmelieHarms
      @AmelieHarms 2 роки тому +1

      Rosa rugosa plantings were everywhere in my childhood in the eighties (in Sweden), and now the same municipalities that planted them fights them. 😅 I guess they love the Nordic climate!

    • @YenniHope
      @YenniHope 2 роки тому +1

      @@AmelieHarms They really were every where in Finland too that time - maybe there wouldn't be such problem if it hadn't been such a mono culture and a bit more diverse choises in public plantings.

  • @mumbairay
    @mumbairay 2 роки тому +3

    Red viburnum is also toxic in large quantities
    I love it actually
    But once I ate a whole bush full after frost
    And rolled in bed from stomach upset n crampage for hours
    Nannyberries taste nice
    And this other viburnum tastes like dark chocolate

  • @TheTinkerersWife
    @TheTinkerersWife 2 роки тому +5

    "Zombie apocalypse food"...great description.

  • @charlesbale8376
    @charlesbale8376 2 роки тому

    Great tutorial, I found the information very useful to apply in my garden-food forest.

  • @lwjenson
    @lwjenson 2 роки тому

    Love this video series. I am currently in the design and prep stages of my backyard/food forest so it is so nice to hear more ideas.

  • @sjoerdmhh
    @sjoerdmhh Рік тому

    We had Rosa rugosa all around our primary school playground. The Netherlands has a very different view on plants around children :). A child might get some cuts trying to rescue a toy (I know I did quite often, trying to get my ball back), but it's not like it will kill anyone. Might sound cruel to you, but I really don't see the harm in having thorny plants around children. If anything, it's good for their motor skills. :)
    Sea buckthorn is very common in the wild along the Dutch coast. Indeed, it can grow in pure sand and salty winds, where it will stay much smaller (small shrub), but it gets a lot of sun. I love the taste, reminds me of passion fruit, which is quite special on an overcast windy autumn day. But harvesting the wild species is a pain. I've heard freezing the branches works, but I've never tried harvesting branches from the dunes and stuffing my small freezer with them. So a nice one for people with large freezers and very sunny gardens :).

  • @victoriawolfe686
    @victoriawolfe686 2 роки тому

    Looooooving this series as I construct my new fruit guild. Thank you!

  • @CanadianPermacultureLegacy
    @CanadianPermacultureLegacy 2 роки тому +6

    Also, am I crazy of have you made 41 videos in the last 4 days?!!!!?!?!?! 🤣😳

    • @eekisvreemd1986
      @eekisvreemd1986 2 роки тому +10

      No 😂 she shifted her “hausfrau” video’s from that channel to this one 👌🏼

  • @mystlkitchengarden
    @mystlkitchengarden 2 роки тому +1

    Very informative, thank you.

  • @kellymcmahon706
    @kellymcmahon706 2 роки тому

    i'm really glad i stumbled on your channel. you have lots of great info and it's easily digestible

  • @dr.rev.lindabingham
    @dr.rev.lindabingham 2 роки тому

    Blessings to all!

  • @nmnate
    @nmnate 2 роки тому +1

    I'm probably going to pull out my wood's roses for the reason you state. They really do sucker (in the 3rd year, maybe up to 10'). I might move them somewhere where they won't get in the way, but I'm just not sure I have a good spot for a thicket.

  • @ThomiBMcIntyre
    @ThomiBMcIntyre 2 роки тому

    A lot of these are good candidates for a deer resistant hedge I’ve been contemplating. Thank you! You’re really rocking with new videos lately - love it 💚💚💚

  • @ScottPurcell
    @ScottPurcell 2 роки тому

    Wow -- I knew Portland was warmer than most of us in the South assume... but I NEVER would have guessed you're 8b -- same as me in Central Texas!

    • @ParkrosePermaculture
      @ParkrosePermaculture  2 роки тому

      We have a long growing season but it's definitely much cooler and wetter than central Texas!

  • @lallyluckfarm
    @lallyluckfarm 2 роки тому +1

    Have you tried Ben Falk's recipe for sea buckthorn oxymel? He says he likes it but his wife isn't a fan. It's sea buckthorn berries, ACV, and honey, strained after blending.

  • @amandapretti2185
    @amandapretti2185 2 роки тому

    Loving this series of videos, Angela!

  • @CliffsidePermaculture
    @CliffsidePermaculture 2 роки тому +1

    My carmine jewel is about 10 or 12 foot tall and self pollinating i love it! I got it from burgess about 14 years ago, not sure where it would be available now

  • @ColRubyDimplesManacha
    @ColRubyDimplesManacha 2 роки тому +2

    Thank you for saving me from buying a highbush cranberry!

  • @jujularue7611
    @jujularue7611 2 роки тому

    The last one is extremely specific, the smell, the taste but it seems it has bunch of benefits. This can be planted for the neighbors you do not like :) You need to gather it after frost, it gets sweeter

  • @joannewolfe5688
    @joannewolfe5688 Рік тому

    Thanks!

  • @paige.eats.plants1887
    @paige.eats.plants1887 2 роки тому

    I have a few of these in my garden, all planted by the previous owners.
    A black elderberry, and I believe a red elderberry; it’s unlabeled. The black looks like it was pruned or planted weird and the trunk was bent right at ground level and was laying parallel to the ground, on the ground. This made all the branches grow parallel to the ground as well and only a few inches up. I propped up the trunk the best I could and bent and staked the branches that were still flexible enough. There was one particularly large branch that I had to prune off. I made it into 4 cuttings and am hoping they will take off and I can replace the tree altogether. This is definitely not a good permanent solution.
    And there is a Romeo bush cherry that the tag states is self fertile. I was hoping to see if that was true this season, but it didn’t make it through our rough winter. I also have a very tall and skinny serviceberry that has a couple smaller trunks. I’m not sure how old it is, probably just it’s second year. It looks like I have some fruit set so I’m excited to try some. I think I might net just a few of the berries to see what they are like. I assume the birds will get to the rest before I do.

  • @emmayeager5864
    @emmayeager5864 2 роки тому

    Thanks for sharing your wisdom

  • @tjcihlar1
    @tjcihlar1 8 місяців тому

    Love the big shrubs in the garden. It is hard to imagine what our fruiting shrubs will grow into with our tough Colorado climate. Could the goumi grow to 8 feet? Or will it struggle to even stay alive?
    The optimism used with the word "edible" can be out of control, but your milage will vary. We are trying a mondeau american highbush cranberry which originated by a river in Wisconsin and has no bitterness... ok I will believe it when I taste it. But this is gardening, mistakes will be made.

  • @tgardenchicken1780
    @tgardenchicken1780 2 роки тому +2

    Great video. Thank you for reminding us that permaculture is site specific. I tried sea buckthorn a few years ago. Mine died and I am glad as I realize in my tiny yard food forest, they would lose the sun and I prefer no thorns. I have a few plants, my Finnish rose (thorny and prone to sucker, but I got it from my mom so there is a history there) and Am. cranberry that I grow for wildlife-my way to get some 'free' help in the garden. I love hearing your reasons for what you grow.

  • @waykeeperfarmandnerdery
    @waykeeperfarmandnerdery 2 роки тому

    So good again! I just planted a Rosa Rugosa in my front yard, and didn’t know about the spreading habit. I may need to rethink the location, but will let it be for this season.
    I also have been eyeing goumi berry and bush cherries for awhile, so they are definitely going on the must list.
    My elderberries are still less than 3 feet right now, and I’m hoping they come into their own this year!

  • @paloma_hill
    @paloma_hill 2 роки тому +1

    my feijoa have come through single digits uncovered but in a sheltered location- you might not need the wrapping!

  • @sergio34410
    @sergio34410 2 роки тому

    Ángela with an angelic voice!

  • @juliehorney995
    @juliehorney995 11 місяців тому

    I agree re cranberry viburnum. Now that our 2 bushes are about 9 years old, they actually SMELL sour through the winter. The birds no longer eat the berries leaving me with a messy clean up task in the spring. Might be time to replace them 1 at a time? Eastern exposure aka in newly assigned zone 6a,NE Indiana. One bush gets another hour or so of sun and is larger despite pruning. Ideas?

  • @dudlebugbabyboo
    @dudlebugbabyboo 2 роки тому

    Carmine is sold at one green world in Portland OR

    • @jennifer79t
      @jennifer79t 2 роки тому

      Love One Green World...found it last year.

  • @sneakythumbs9900
    @sneakythumbs9900 Рік тому +1

    I know my climate is a little warmer but... feijoas grow really fast and set fruit still in their nursery bags - not sure what variety you have but it might just be a dud

    • @ParkrosePermaculture
      @ParkrosePermaculture  Рік тому

      Mine are all blooming and fruiting this year. They are slowwwww to get going here and also the fruit matures quite late.

  • @elgranjero2284
    @elgranjero2284 Рік тому

    Thanks for this video. Do you have any suggestions about Fringe Berry's usage as a food. I have a lovely tree in my front yard and it bears in abundance each season. Is it something that I can utilise as a food? Please advise. Thanks.

  • @IsaSab
    @IsaSab 2 роки тому

    I don't like the fruits of my vibernum neither! Even after a frost, which is supposed to make them sweeter. I read that some people cook them and it becomes delicious, have you tried? I might try this year, I think they are big enough to give me a harvest this year!

  • @permiebird937
    @permiebird937 2 роки тому +1

    Have you had trouble keeping your male sea berry alive? I still have my female sea berry, but my males always have died, as have the male Sea berries of my neighbors that have planted it too. How are you pruning the male? I've been thinking about getting a male and trying again, because we like to use the fruit in mixed fruit jams.

  • @samuel58237
    @samuel58237 Рік тому

    Hi Angela. I live on the southern Oregon coast, zone 9b. I am developing a area for a food forest but one of my problems is our lack of summer heat. I could grow citrus but they would never ripen. What is a good resource for plants that would work in my warm winter cool summer area.

  • @cholcombe973
    @cholcombe973 2 роки тому

    Could I get a cutting of your romeo bush cherry? I'm also in portland. I have juliet and it flowered heavily for the first time this year but the fruit set seems really small. I read the yield would be a lot bigger with a compatible partner. I'm thinking I could just graft romeo onto juliet and that should take care of it.

  • @RisenUponTomorrow
    @RisenUponTomorrow Рік тому

    Are there any online nurseries you'd recommend?

  • @rgzhaffie
    @rgzhaffie 7 місяців тому

    Are you sure Goumi has thorns? I have seen nothing to indicate that! Could you be mistaking it for another closely related Eleagnus?

    • @ParkrosePermaculture
      @ParkrosePermaculture  7 місяців тому

      Yes. I’ve been growing it for 15 yrs. Young branches have thorns.

  • @ConstantGardener-q9q
    @ConstantGardener-q9q Рік тому

    How do I keep the deer from eating my native saplings before I can even get my food forest started? Help. I’m about to abandon permaculture altogether

  • @amyjones2490
    @amyjones2490 2 роки тому +1

    Yea I planted a Goji...really wish I hadn't it tastes yucky.

    • @formidableflora5951
      @formidableflora5951 2 роки тому +2

      Fresh, I can take them or leave them. But dried, I throw a sparse teaspoon in the bottom of my mug before pouring a cup of tea and eat them when I get to the bottom. Also a fine and frequent addition in cooking, sweet or savory.

    • @amyjones2490
      @amyjones2490 2 роки тому +1

      @@formidableflora5951 do you use a dehydrator?

    • @formidableflora5951
      @formidableflora5951 2 роки тому +1

      @@amyjones2490 Yes, just a small, basic dehydrator, but with an extra set of racks it's a workhorse.

    • @mumbairay
      @mumbairay 2 роки тому +2

      Try as pizza topping
      Like tomatoes and bell pepper in one

    • @maplenook
      @maplenook 2 роки тому

      It spreads readily too

  • @rickyd1126
    @rickyd1126 Рік тому

    So it’s not a fig tree it’s a fig shrub 😂