Worst Skydiving Student Mistake Spinning Low Altitude Deployment AFF Category E2 AFF Happens
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- Опубліковано 25 кві 2020
- AFF Category E2 is the last jump before a student is allowed to jump unsupervised solo. In this video, the student had a great jump overall until it came to the final step, deployment. The student's body position was head high and his legs were on his butt. This made for a very unstable body position. Most importantly, the student almost forgot the most important priority of any skydive, PULL. Priority #2 is to pull at the correct altitude. Stability while pulling is the least important, and as you can see this student forgot that. Skydiving Gone Wrong
The best part about these videos is that they can never really be too long
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It's almost like the more worst the situation is, the shorter the video tends to be.
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Bro, the instructor opened his canopy before the student did 😂 he said “I ain’t dying tryna save this fool”
hahaahhaa
At some point he has to, or they both die
I guess he was relying on the AAD
there was nothing much a instructor could do. Also AAD must be the back of mind last resort.
Of course he did, because if he didn't open it then and it failed it wouldn't have left him time to cutaway and deploy his reserve.
Buddy wanted every last foot of that jump
Get what you pay for. It's not cheap.
Nice amazing favourite
🙃😉😗☺😘🥰🤩
กคสศผคคนเแทด้
ล็อกใจไม่ต้องทำไม่ต้องมีสักคนจะมีใครสัก คนมาแล้วครับตอนไหนวะไม่ได้ทำไม่ต้องมีความรักไม่ต้องการความรู้สึกดีๆๆแต่ภาพจากการเรียนแล้วจะได้ไปไหนกันวะแม่มมันไม่เหมือนจะไปนอนดีมากไปก็ยังมีอีกแล้วกูไม่ชอบเลยยพี่ชายนี่คือคนกรุ๊ปเลือดเวลามีแต่เรื่องที่จะทำไรไม่ต้องมีสักวันนี้ไปภูลอยอยู่ที่เราจะไม่ทำไม่ต้องมีสักวันนี้ไปไหนกันวะมึงไปหาไรยังงจะมีแต่
The groan from the instructor, said it all!
Sounded like those "aww" sound they use in tv shows
AAD deployments always signal a failure of some kind.
Skydiving fact: if you make a stupid mistake… you have the rest of your life to fix it.
usually there is emergency low altitude parachute which opens automatically, so yes, you have to fix it nect time and you have memorable experience :)
@@SagulaVladimir r/woooosh
Lol
@@nottiboi4127 i mean i think he got it just wanted to explain what would really happen
@@Carldasly yeah I didn’t think before I typed it lol
The student's mistake aside, this is one of the most stunning and impeccably shot skydiving videos I've ever seen. That pass through the clouds @1:04, almost didn't look real. Like it was CGI. This was breathtaking to watch.
They should pitch this idea to the producer for the next Mission Impossible movie.
Man .... ! what a stress for the instructor....
Why is wagging his finger and not flying in
@@trumerothetru7964 the finger pointing at any direction means “pull”. The other person that replied to you is not a skydiver and has no idea what he is talking about.
Also, at that low of an altitude in which the instability started, it would have been dangerous for the AFFi and the student if he tried to intervene.
@F. A. TURN LEFT hahahaha... no such thing as left or right when you are spinning like that
@F. A. Turn left !? Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about. Single finger pointing any direction means to PULL lol
1st rule of thumb: pull on time
Best cloud fly-through I’ve seen! That reach backward has to have messed up many stable descents!
yea fr I didnt even look real
Why did he start spinning so much on that reach?
funny, that was my take away , too! lol
@@davidskelps3084 Arm placement
Ch 15th
It's a good video for students but also all future AFFIs. You can see how fast a student can get away from you and how AFFIs really need to stay in that slot to do that bottom end sequence.
Exactly. I've seen way too many videos of AFFIs not doing their job correctly. A few on this channel specifically. One where the student spins out of control and the AFFI can't even fly their slot let alone spin stop.
Absolutely! I wouldn’t want to be with such an instructor ever!
First and foremost, hats off to this instructor for posting this video here, with that being said, I think our attitude should be constructive. I can assure you all are not perfect to include myself and have made some boneheaded mistakes. Yes, the instructor screwed, but he put it on here so we can learn and build on it, not for our "skydiving gods" to chastise him.
@F. A. bro what are you talking about? I don’t think you’re a skydiver because you don’t make sense…. 1 finger means pull, 2 fingers means straighten your legs 4-6 inches.
Turn left? At that altitude, in a cat E jump? Nonsense
Much agreed. If I’m correct, this is a cat e or so. Even during later categories the instructor should be prepared to stabilize or even pull for the student. They have not graduated to self supervision yet. Fly your slot, don’t watch from a distance.
It's funny that all you need to do is arch and yet under stress you forget about it.
I'm over here yelling ARCH!
But the real question is, will arching bring you back to belly down position if you are upside down?
@@seewhyaneyesee simple answer: yes
@@seewhyaneyesee he should also know how to barrel roll from his back to belly to earth. That’s an E1 skill
Roll outta bed technique if you find yourself on your back
Thank you for posting. Half way through Spaceland's STP program and feel really confident. This is a good reminder that just because you had a few good solo jumps, doesn't mean you're a pro
hope you are loving it, still. We used to talk about the "scary patch" that was just a thing we believed in: We called them "hundred jump wonders".....you get to 100 or so...and you are SO confident....it's scary. I havent jumped in decades, but still sometimes miss it 🙂
it starts to get pretty real when you see the instructor pull the chute and you’re looking like a turtle upside down 🤣
He panicked. The worst possible thing you could ever do during free fall. Helpful advice for future AFF's; if you ever find yourself in this situation, don't worry about trying to get stable. Pull anyways. Deployment might be a bit uncomfortable, but you won't put yourself in a deadly situation with a low altitude deployment.
Did. He. Fucking. Die. Or. Not.
No, you can see the chute opening bery low. Possibly automatic
@@MediumDSpeaks look at 1:43 the yellow parachute opens at bottom of screen at the last minute. He pulled it off (no pun intended).
@@PolishBehemothwas it a solid yellow? reserves are usually solid colors. if it was solid his AAD device deployed it for him.
@@RUSTSy i dont know. see it yourself
I had the pleasure of Jumping with this instructor, before he was an instructor, and I was only on jump #40. I never met him before that jump and he s Always one of the nicest guys at the DZ, and extremely trust worthy. Great video, keep up the good work
Shoot me a message, I'd love to catch up!
I hope he carried on with it after this, it’s a harsh learning environment, but fortunately it was all good.
@F. A. he gave the sign and the studeng didn't comply? How is that his fault?
That was sketchy. I'm seriously rethinking becoming an AFF-I. I'm a new instructor and have had a couple of saves already. It's so stressful sometimes, but very rewarding also.
Man I’m about to schedule aff 1 after 2 tandems but things like this are making me hesitant 😟
@@PimaArt Go do 10 minutes in the wind tunnel and you will breeze through AFF like it's nothing.
@@ilyafilru thanks man, reading this makes me feel more confident about doing this, definitely doing as much indoor as possible
@@PimaArt Good luck
@@PimaArt Arch! If you end up flailing around just relax and arch hard. Physics will flip you over
That time you're browsing the internet and notice yourself launching a tube exit on UA-cam!!!! Glad everyone landed safely.
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@@741741 he was one of the jumpers
Wow, that was close, seconds away from disaster.
That's why they make AADs
DAMN>>>>> what a learning lesson. Thanks for sharing!
Meh nobody pulls anymore. It’s so overrated
Wait until you turn 50 and the miss drys up lol
hol up
That's my home DZ, close call, glad he made it!
This student got stable, and that so under the worst circumstances. Well done to him. Yes, he lost the situation for a moment, but he didn't open inverted. Hats off to him. I think he shat himself, but he did well.
nah, that was just the Cypres that automatically goes off when you go below a certain altitude
@@alexishemeon Thought first the same, but there is no AAD firing, because there is no free bag... 🤷🏻♂️
He was so focused on the advanced that he forgot the basics
That AFFI sigh! Lol!!!
Sometimes it is SUPER HARD being a skydiving coach !!!
honestly the guy nailed the save imo... looks so much fun, hope do go later this summer!
🤣🤣🤣 That instructor gave up. Said, "Grounds coming up fast, you're on your own!"
1:07 proof that clouds is not solid at all😂😂
Since when do people think clouds are solid?
@@BBQpig21 To the little kids like you
Can you prove fog is not solid tho?
@@samuelschuler3309 Bro fog is most likely a cloud or smoke, they are called GAS, study first kid.
Putting the AFF student through a cloud, you're brave for putting this on here...
I was thinking the same thing... lol. I'm a pilot and flying through a cloud under VFR (visual flight rules) conditions is a big no no.
Thanks for the pop ups at the end. Couldn’t see his chute open.
Nobody:
Student: gonna try HALO
interesting how people want to fight the air not just use it, then you realise how little you have to do fall stable, then you stop even thinking about it
That yellow chute down far opening was God sent
That dive was going well too... bummer
Anyone else see the reserve flap open up?
Quite freaky that he started spinning while trying to pull his cord.
Dropped his right leg on the reach, but in my humble opinion, he wasn't stable when he started setting up for the pull. Inertia. It's a bastardo
@@JonGV79 - Stability is your 3rd priority. Remember, first priority is to PULL
Thank you for this. Good lesson on mistakes that can happen. I paid for extra wind tunnel time to practice my rip cord pulls with stability. I found for me pointing my tum down slightly made a world of difference. But that’s for me.
You were using a ripcord system?? Cool
Your tum?
Jumps are really expensive nowadays. You gotta get as much free fall as possible from every jump. Looks like Z-hills. There's a tunnel just south of Tampa on I-75.
instructor got 5 years older after those 5 seconds.
Awesome! Now I know who to stay away from at ZHills
I love that DZ.
Did anyone else laugh uncontrollably for no apparent reason when he hit the clouds?? 😂
So weird
Wow that was nerve racking to say the least ! Thanks for sharing
Did he receive a 30 day suspension for low-opening?
I received a 30 day grounding, for just that (70s); managed to stable out and open at 800 ft. Shoe almost came off from the head-down opening; got back to the packing bench, clenched it seems like forever; I already had it in my head, "I'm self-grounding". DZ Manager walked over, asked if I was OK, and started to . . . . , but I told him faster. He did ask me to show, and pack student rigs for that month, for a fee; each pack got me a 5K ft jump, didn't need to pay for quite a while.
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30 day suspension for instructor?
A really good learning experience for both! Hopefully the instructor upped his game after that jump.
How would the instructor up his game?
Like where he went wrong u think?
How do you know he did anything wrong? Do all student mistakes reflect the teaching, or do some reflect the learning?
@@catherinespark the instructor is supposed to be in "the pocket" to be able to intervene and prevent this kind of mishap from spiraling out of control. He was complacent because this was one of the student's CAT E jumps meaning they're about to be cleared for solo free fall.
This sort of happened to me during my student training. I think the difference was that even unstable I kept trying to pull the pilot chute even as I got unstable. Never give up!
That sounds scary. Like watching this makes me slightly question myself lol and how I would handle this sort of situation.
@@thewewguy8t88 if it makes you nervous make sure you talk about it with your instructor. they should be able to guide you on what to do, specially on those first jumps where you are assisted. The description said it was his last jump which mean by now the guy already had 24 jumps and this may have been the first time he got on his back and spinning.
Almost Friday Freakout material
I think it qualifies
Student was performing stunts like pro until the deployment failed, then panicked like a puppy.
i lost sight of him after instructor's chute-pull, thanks to the onscreen banners of similar video suggjjestions - thought he was a gonner for a while!
YOU GON MESSED UP A A RON
Jeeez, that was super scary!
If I wanted to visit my parents that lives 10 miles away this is my technique
Whoa, that was close! I SCREAMED, "BETTER PULL IT!" 😱😱
That was.. terrifying.
Imagine jumping from like 40000 ft and remembered that you have grabbed your school bag instead of parachute!!
You don't need a parachute to skydive, you only need one if you want to skydive again
good one
USPA just needs to make it mandatory for students to spend at least 20-30 mins in a wind tunnel before start solo/ coach jumps. It would def prevent situations like this. He could have practiced pulling all he wanted in the tunnel with 0 risk.
I wouldn't have been able to begin skydiving that way...so that's a hard nope from me.
@@cloud9847 You don't have the money for 20-30 in a tunnel?
@@TheCasualCosmonaut when I started skydiving it was in a little town with about 45k people. I was a waiter at a local restaurant. I had to work doubles 3 to 4 times a week to afford student jumps and static line. I would not have been able to afford wind tunnel time and if it were a barrier for entry...I wouldn't have started. Not to mention there isn't a single wind tunnel anywhere near me so I'd have to travel. It's a good idea but in reality forcing people to use a windtunnel isn't possible for a lot of us out there. Hope you have a good day.
Tunnel time makes AFF look cheap by comparison, and AFF ain't cheap.
@@spudeleven5124 I didn't do aff. I did static line and it's nowhere near as cheap...especially when I started out.
What was that white water vapor stuff you guys punched through? 😂
Looks like he was relieved when he finally pulled the parachute
Good for him that he was still on AFF student status. He probably didn't have to pay for the reserve repack like he would have on a true solo!
Imagine they just come out of the clouds and then suddenly their only a 20 feet till they hit the earth
Been over 20 years since I did my AFF. We had auto rip cord pulling devices attached too, that would fire if no one pulled. Question, when he first went to pull, why did he stop and take his hand away and try to re balance? Surely at that point you just keep on with the pull?
Yes we still have such a thing, called an AAD, an automatic activation device.
And yes, the student should have pulled, as is said in the description.
That was intense...
Instructor: "Pull. Please, pull ! Dude, pull !! WTF, Pull !!! Pull, SoB, pull, pull !!!!" 8D
That must have been super scary
Holy shit.. the end of that video was crazy
Thank God for AFF
You have to open no matter what, does not matter if you are spinning without control
Never realised this could happen, scary moment 🤣❤️
I have no idea about parachuting, but why isn't that release over the shoulder instead of the lower back area?
It looks like an AAD fire. I can heare the instructor yelling "pulll" 😱
Which Camera model was it filmed?
No one mentioning how this instructor flies around amazingly well.
Why is that remarkable? Instructors are supposed to know what they are doing.
@@thomasdalton1508 jesus christ, can't I give them a compliment?
@@mrtony1985 You seemed surprised that no-one had mentioned it when there is no particular reason to mention it.
@@thomasdalton1508 that particular reason is their talent as an instructor. Seen plenty of experienced skydivers who can't move that well. Gonna keep crying about that?
@@thomasdalton1508 you are so weird to even say anything about his comment
Miss those days
I got 206 jumps but the last one was 25 years ago, haha! I just couldn't progress with the relative work and finally hung it up. So, some experience, but not compared to the AFF instructors who've got thousands of jumps! So, I comment/ask with all humility & respect.
At 1:19 the student attempts to deploy, becomes unstable and ultimately flips over onto his back at 1:24. As I recall, students generally deploy at 5,500 ft and fall approximately 1000 ft every 6 seconds. So maybe the instructor can allow 12 seconds for the student to recover and deploy before he moves in and pulls the students rip cord? You know, give the student a chance to prove he can save his own life.
At 1:33 in the video, it appears the student has his hand on his rip cord and within the same second the instructor deployed his chute. At this juncture the student is well below the instructor. Looks like the student totally got away from him.
It appears the instructor deployed before the student but hard to tell as links to other video's pop-up & overlay the main video thereby blocking the view. That "arghh" the instructors makes under canopy suggests to me that he himself was scared. That he almost lost a student!
Anyway, should've the instructor docked on him the moment he flipped over and assisted him in regaining stability.
Dude was avoiding eye contact 🤣
Looks like the instructor is under canopy at 1.6k? And then student finally deployed their main? So, milliseconds later and he’d have an AAD fire and a two out scenario, no? No bueno for a student.
750' is when AAD deploy, unless adjusted (as i have done to my personal gear). If the instructor was in the saddle at 1.6k, it would be around 4 seconds to AAD fire for the student.
My very first jump I was safely under main canopy when my AAD fired for no reason sending out my reserve which was an old front style as I was under and round canopy. I never missed a beat. I just instinctively grabbed it, wadded it up and held it between my legs until I landed. The next load of students had my dad in it. He screwed up his PLF, hit hard on his ass and compressed two vertebrae. We came out in our van so I drive him to the hospital. My mom cut off his skydiving days right there. That was a day.
That "AahhGhhhh" at the end was worth a million words. what's a "2 out"?
Legs. Extend those legs.
Lol def not legs out. A 2 out means having both main and reserve parachute out simultaneously. Can happen if you deploy your main canopy too low after an AAD (basically a computer that auto deploys your reserve parachute if you're falling too fast and too low) has already fired. Super dangerous.
@@brittlawson3369 look at 1:05 in the video. There he’s giving the legs out signal. That’s what I thought the OP was referring to. Simply misunderstanding but hey thanks for the “lol.” The comments section is always good to reveal who people are.
For all the messing around I was looking for an impact dust cloud.
Holy crap! Dude that’s scary but common
The classic pull vs pull stable! The answer is always PULL!!
The whole jump ✌ LEGS ✌
Every Student in Debrief: ...and then you went backwards.
Man that was too close. I watched a static line student bounce about a month after I finished AFF. It definitely f'ed with my mind on my next jump.
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how does a static line bounce? no cut away on mal?
@@David-tp7mc Yep....
@Nick Yes. A buddy of mine and I watched the whole thing, from the time the kid left the plane to the time he hit the ground. The chute collapsed like a wet dish rag and he rode it in. This was in the California Central Valley, and the drop zone was surrounded by grape fields. The grape farmer had used 4x4 posts as supports for the grapevines. The kid came down on one of those posts. It was too graphic for description...
It actually looked like he was spinning away from the instructor on purpose XD
Yeah that was an AFFFI student deployment intensive car unit. AFFFI needs to be anitcipatdd with a slot for the end sequence with low altitude percentage.
Pull. Pull on time. Pull stable.
okay so the instructor can fly like a drone.
Scary shit. I'm hapy Both of You are ok.
Holy shit... That was almost AAD altitude 😳 1.6k?? D:
Getting close for sure. Looks like the student cypress fired though.
@@SEILLC AAD is a cypres. Looks like it did fire and his reserve was yellow. At my old DZ you would be taking up golf after doing that on an AFF jump
@@trading-university. if you look close, the yellow canopy has a pilot chute on it so he must’ve got it just before the AAD. So lucky he didn’t have a 2 out though!!
I saw the dudes yellow parachute at the very end around 1:43 holy crap very dangerous!
I wonder why the instructor didn't shout at him. 💀
Not sure if you’re saying that with sarcasm or not but the rush of the wind makes it too loud to hear anything unless the other person is strapped to you in a tandem jump and right there behind you
magnifique le passage ou l'on voit le parachutiste en bleu rentré dans le nuage à 1:08 superbe image ! mais alors ?? c'est bizarre après sa sortie il arrête pas de monté et de descendre ....il est comme pris dans un tourbillon de pression !???? wahouuuuu quelle frayeur j'ai eu pour lui car il va dans tous les sens, il est impossible pour lui de tirer sur sa manette !
Back on the Dope-Rope, and Dummy Ripcord Pulls. Plus a case of beer!!!
Don’t know much about this sport, but does the parachute 🪂 opens by itself at certain level? And is it so difficult to open?
yes it very much does but it is not the same one and it is only meant to be reliable and therefore it's not very comfortable. The main chute on the other hand is really easy to open and the opening is very gentle. Here the stundent panicked a bit a did not open his main on time but it's not linked to any difficulty with the opening procedure.
Its crazy how 1500ft early up he tucked and flipped into a good deployment position with ease but when he started spinning he paniced and wasted valuable time doing the stuck turtle when he could of done the same maneuver and recovered stright away
Did he die cause I don't c his parachute
@@agarg1402 i think he got it sorted just in time
@@agarg1402 The annotations popping up obscured a lot of good parts in this video unfortunately :(
Dumb question I’m
In Aff but was that the auto deploy? Or him pulling main
Looks like an AAD fire.
I'm curious as to why you need to pull the cord from behind you instead of making it long enough to pull from the hip connected to a harness?
Because it is not really a cord. It is a pilot chute; a round auxiliary small "parachute" that inflates and pulls the actual parachute out of the container where it is stowed.
It is of major importance for this chute not to inflate by mistake before it is due, so it is placed in a safe spot where it won't inflate by mistake and where it won't be pulled too early.
there are some chutes that have it on the hip
@@ailek95 I don’t jump anymore but back in the 70’s there was a ripcord handle on the harness and the pilot chute was packed in with the main chute. I assume it’s not done that way anymore? It seems a lot more difficult to grab the pilot chute behind you.
Hey Steve, I have no experience civilian skydiving, but I recently got the opportunity to go through the Air Force. The training rigs they use have a velcro handle connected to a ripcord placed on the right rib cage; similar to what you described. They use them because our first ever jump is solo and you can stay far more stable while pulling; the arms don’t have to move as far. I think the far more common location is on the back because it takes less time to repack and you will lose less ripcords.
just a question that comes to my mind, what if you open a parachute straight after jumping from a plane? it may seem a stupid question but i just wanna know what could possibly happen
Hi Jojh, in the sport we call that a hop and pop. If it were to happen at a normal altitude (say 13500 ft above ground level) then you would have a roughly 10 minute canopy ride to the ground
First time I bought a new rig the guy told me not to take it to terminal on the first jump....just to do a hop-and-pop, which is exactly what you are describing. I drove to the DZ on a weekday evening, and got there just in time for the last manifest. They didn't want to do a separate pass for me, so I jumped at 13.5 grand. I was under canopy by 12 grand, and had a beautiful 20 minute ride watching the sun set. It was amazing!
That guy's skydive nickname should be "Splat".
Another day at the office for the aff instructor
As a simple spectator I'm wondering why the pull handle is in that weird position; why it cannot be placed on the front side near the shoulder where it could be reached more easily and naturally?
Youre pulling on a little hackey ball which pulls out a pilot chute (like a small round parachute) which needs to deploy clearly behind you and fill with air, which then pulls out your main parachute from the bag. Everything is folded and packed in order to release without any advanced mechanisms or wires or anything like that, there's just a pin holding your bag closed. It's probably the best system and position for a clean deployment (interesting to read about too). You could design a system for a front release I guess but it would be more complicated and not just everything folded and packed together and really you want the system to be as simple as possible. Also your cutaway handles are on the front for emergencies, these are two pads/handles to pull if you need to cutaway your main parachute/canopy and deploy a reserve. I think it would be definitely be confusing and dangerous having 3 things to pull on the front, students would be cutting their canopy away completely on accident lol .
It just has to do with the type of rig. Air Force teaches skydiving with rigs that have the rip cord on the harness between chest and rib cage. It is to help jumpers remain stable while pulling as you don’t have to move your arm as far. I may be wrong but I think it takes longer to pack with ripcords because you have to route them through the whole rig. Not to mention all the ripcords that get dropped accidentally after being pulled. Hope this helps!
Glad he’s ok im doing my aff 2 Saturday.
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How did it go?
@@T1Earn i did good just forgot to say ready set arch after checking in and out with my instructors.had good position throughout
@@earvinrivas8192 What number AFF is your next one
Maybe back to fifteen second delays for him. I use to be an instructor in the seventies and it made me laugh watching it. A very familiar sight and not just from students. Some of our early attempts at rel work didn't look too much different!