Fate of the Covenant Species After the War
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- Опубліковано 28 гру 2024
- After the fall of the Hierarchs in late 2552, the Covenant was left leaderless, scattered, and amidst a civil war. Some joined Covenant remnants, many fell back to piracy and raiding to consolidate power, and others simply went home.
Dude couldve made this a 12 minute long video atleast but he just went straight to the point and summarized everything perfectly props to you man
I would’ve gladly watched a 12 minute video on this topic tbh
@@morgannull4685he does not seem mad at all
Long form videos are on my long range 'to do' plan. For now, I only have time for quicker ones for TT and YT. Full time job and a baby ya know!
@@YodaOnABendersame, i much prefer longer videos on topics instead of short videos
Same. Brevity is key for me with lore videos. I do not need additional context that I already have.
Most species: still looking for a faction or another
Jackals: We're open for business!
Basically lol
Nothing changed, and then everyone started doing what they did it. So they created peace to pillage and raid the galaxy and sell it back, then steal it again, then fight each other.
Again Nothing changed
Jackals: It's free real estate.
basically the only ones to "benefit" from the Covenants dissolution were the Jackals since now there were multiple factions to pillage from, trade with or work as mercenaries.
I love the fact that the jackals are literally the only covenant species that is completely unchanged throughout the entire timeline, kinda ironic that the most dishonourable and least devoted species was the one that came out the other side of the collapse of the covenant without significant losses.
The Yanme seemed to get a pretty good deal. They just went home and chilled.
@@captaindonkeyballs It makes sense, though. A species bereft of either loyalty or obedience is going to be the most willing to secure its own future if crap hits the fan, which it did.
@@captaindonkeyballs Cos they are opportunists and able to see profits in almost any situation. Those who can adapt to changes will succeed.
Or you know, all of them since the greatest threat to everyone was a covenant-induced firing of the halo array.
I would say the Unggoy had a slightly better deal with the Swords of Sangheilios. In Halo 5, you can see some grunts in the Swords camp that seem cheerful. But most unfortunately still served as canon fodder or labourers for Sangheili Clans or Jiralhanae Tribes.
Absolutely. I imagine they were treated better than in Jul's Covenant for sure. They also did much better after taking Cortana's deal during the events of H5.
It's funny how they seem much happier under the Banished than they were the Covenant. It's a different philosophy taking in all who would join, rather than subjugating their world and crushing their rebellion
I wonder some join human factions
The other covenant races: *going through a rough time*
The yanme: *happily fucks off back to their Homeworld to enjoy the peace and quiet that comes with no longer being a part of a religious alliance*
The little flying buggers just went back home and were never seen again
*wipes sweat off their chitinous foreheads*
"Whoa those freaks were something, not sure how we pulled that off gals. Lets get ourselves some well earnt gin&tonics yaaas!"
I wish Cortana destroyed their homeworld instead of the brutes
Yes those bugs are finally gone, they gave me nightmares in 2 where their appearence made the gsme harder than meeleing a brute face to face with a 0 energy energy sword while avoiding getting shot
We could've gotten them in Halo 4, the concept art looked awesome.
Surprising none of the big Halo channels have made any videos on this topic yet, good on you man
Appreciate it Spartan. I try to pick obscure stuff to cover when I can.
My thought exactly- Earned a follow.
I appreciate it!@@cjschaff317
Good point although Halo Canon went on hiatus a couple of years back.
It seems people have forgotten the Huragok or known as the Engineers. Many of the Huragok were employed by the UNSC either by working with ONI with assisting in reverse engineering Covenant Technology or working on top Forerunner research sites. They are also on several UNSC ships such as the Infinity and a few are in the hands of the Sword of Sanghelios or the Banshed.
Agreed. They have such an impact on the lore and stories, but are more of a "fix it" plot device. I didn't include them here because I don't feel like they were a "Covenant" species, just indentured servants.
I’m personally not a fan of a lot of the things 343 has done, but one thing they did that I genuinely LOVE is how when the Covenant fell it wasn’t some magical peace where everyone got along. Instead it shattered into numerous peace’s trying to rise up in the new power vacuum. Just like in real life militant groups don’t just disappear once the leadership are gone. Instead, they fragment with various subgroups trying to take over. I can see why some people weren’t a fan of this because it goes against the tone of finality that Halo 3 had, but at the same time I don’t really care because I like the crazy storytelling potential that can come from a theocracy falling and having numerous warlords trying to carve out their own territory (kind of like what happened in the old Star Wars EU when the Empire fell). I just wish there was more variety in the ideologies those different groups have. I also wish we got more stories about the less touched upon Covenant. There’s plenty of room for storytelling.
And (eventually) having the next strongest faction in form of the Banished taking the stragglers and organising them into a new, altogether different threat. I don't want to say 343 has squandered their potential yet, but a more coherent story exploring their motives with the return of Atriox would do wonders for the future of the series
The concept of militant religious group in 4 was cool until they just slap the didact into the story
You like the undermining of Halo 3 because it has potential... potential that has gone nowhere for over a decade. We've gotten 2 "Not-Covenants" that are the Covenant and the Covenant but there are more Brutes. The Banished don't function any differently to the Covenant within the two stories they've been a part of, they are just big alien military. Yeah, they don't have the religious angle, but that's not a good thing because there's nothing added to fill that gap.
Then there's the Storm Covenant... pffft hahahahaha. They are just the Covenant, again. There's nothing unique or different about them, god, they even have a leader who deliberately misleads them in regards to the Forerunners. Then they just get killed off in H5.
Yes, it would be more realistic for the Covenant to splinter into dozens if not hundreds of different militias and gangs, but is that what happened? No. You got the Covenant again and then The Banished weren't even a faction that came about after the Covenant fell lmao. They were just there, and we never heard a single thing about them. Not a whisper or even a log about this MASSIVE faction that stole from The Covenant and was able to beat them back and survive.
343 writing has loads of "potential" and "room for storytelling" because they do NOTHING with the ideas they retcon or introduce.
@@jeff3221halo 3 was undermined?
No if you play the multiplayer the maps even say they the covenant war machine was still active after halo 3.
Personally I think the naming conventions undermined halo because of politicos stuff.
Summary ‘we didn’t want to make it a Christianity vs Islam story’
Instead of changing naming systems and names they changed the species.
In halo 1 and the flood the elites were really solid and a threat, after that they did more tippy toes and were more gentle.
The biggest example is how contact harvest was handled- look to the brutes and then to the elites.
A big change happened and we can see some of the elites traits basically pushed into the brutes in a greater way.
@@silent_stalker3687 are you on drugs because you just threw like 50 different topics at me
I wonder if there were a few individuals that lived and helped with Humanity after the war. Would be intesting to see a short story about a Grunt having a shop set up on a Colony world. Sangheili joining a Planetary Malita to atone for what he may see as his sins against Humanity. Brute taking up farming to see a more peaceful life.
There definitely were! After the war the Swords of Sangheilios and Unggoy had a pretty good working relationship with Humanity. There's the Pax Institute, the first joint Human-Sangheili school, envoys that traveled between the planets to assist, etc.
Damn
The grunts really have it rough
They have practically been slave forver as if they were made to be slaves
Their lives never got better even after the human covenant war
It is unfortunate because in like we see in Halo: Legacy of Onyx, they're actually pretty smart, caring, and work well with others. They've always been repressed in the Covenant and beyond.
@@phoenixaffliction i think they could maybe make a home or alliance with earth.
I totally agree. Honestly, I don't know why the Grunts don't have a closer relationship with humanity already. Maybe it's because humanity doesn't deem them as an effective ally like the Sangheili. @@pokebreeder2517
@@phoenixaffliction Could be that, or that neither Bungie or 343 cared to make them a bigger part of the story in that way. Grunts are seen as cannon fodder enemies first, not nearly as important in their eyes as the Elites or Brutes for instance. Same kinda goes for Jackals.
@@phoenixafflictionits probably because some members of the human electorate wouldn't be happy about an alliance with a species that literslly ate humans alive on Draco III
Short sweet and to the point like a true spartan.
Thank you for presenting this information in such a concise and pleasant way.
Mercifully concise 🙏
Long form content in the future hopefully. I have a limited amount of time during the week with a little one and full time job.
@@phoenixaffliction Completely understandable! But for what it's worth, I'd stick with the short stuff. Videos this direct are a rare delight for Halo UA-cam. Everyone is exhausted of 25 minute lore breakdowns with 2 minutes of info and 23 minutes of "what's up guys, welcome to another lore video, Halo is a series very near and dear to my heart, I've been playing since 1783, etc"
haha fair point!@@Xephie
Great summary bro. Keep up the good work.
Thanks! Appreciate the support.
I read in a book that some human/ex-covenant colonies are actually doing pretty decent together. Yes, there's cafeteria segregation and the humans & ex-covenant avoid each other as much as they can, but they're slowly starting to get along. Especially with humans and Kig-Yar. At one colony, they're even starting to share their culinary tastes. I kind of like that.
We see some inter-species cooperation in both Halo Legacy of Onyx and Halo Envoy. Really cool to see. Legacy of Onyx was surprisingly good.
Didn't the elites on Carrow nearly eradicate all the Human colonists? Idk, segregation is probably a good idea until the split-lips learn to behave lol
Okay but how did you nail the cadence of the New Vegas ending narrations?
Luck I suppose
So most factions just kinda went home huh?
Yup, many were war weary and many had their worldview shattered with the revelation that the Great Journey was a big lie pushed for over 25 years by the High Prophets.
@@phoenixaffliction you mean 25 years of war, and a few thousand years of lies. The covenant was formed like 800 BCE on the human calendar
yes absolutely, you're right. didn't phrase that very well. I shouldve said 25 years of the three high prophets influence@@loganb7059
All of this lore could inspire a number of spin-off games, and yet we have to wait 6 years for some half-assed yet another reboot and even more lore dump left unexplained.
So let’s rate them in terms of relative power and stability
Elites: could be better but the Swords are arguably the most stable alien faction
Jackals: Rejected modernity, returned to tradition.
Drones: they’re eusocial so other than rival hives they really can’t mess up the whole stability thing.
Hunters: same as drones but more “individualistic” and spread through the galaxy
Brutes: Well their main planet got blown up so that probably sucks.
Grunts: Suffering builds character, suffering builds character, suffering builds character…
Engineers: Didn’t even know they were in the covenant (possibly literally)
Prophets: current objective: Survive.
Nice "factsheet"! Imagine not to have to read this questions and answer about halo but to always see and hear them
I want to thank you for clearing up everything that happened with the different speices that made up the Covanent I have been playing Halo since Reach and I am glad to see that there are still REAL Halo Fans still around.
You are most welcome friend. I also do content on TikTok and stream on TikTok and do lore discussions on TikTok stream and Twitch! Stick around for more.
@@phoenixaffliction I want to thank YOU for doing this and I will gladly go follow your Twitch and TikTok when I get the chance
:)@@MrMlemphis
The fact that humanity seems fine working with the aliens after the war is stupid to me.
most of humanity wasn't fine with it. Some visionaries like Lord Hood or Sgt. Johnson or Chief Mendez looked past it.
You can thank 343 for that. They even went as far as introducing the idea of *covenant refugees on Earth.* As if it's Humanity's job to care for all the alien species that just tried to wipe them from existence lol
I like how 343 decided to explain the change of the animation to different sub species of aliens.
I wonder how badly things are gonna go for the Grunts now that Cortana, the only thing protecting their homeworld is gone and the rest of the galaxy blames them for siding with her.
I'd imagine their government and infrastructure are in dire disrepair because the promethean forces were helping to build, provide food, etc. without that, on a freezing cold world like Balaho, I could see a lot of grunts dying unfortunately :/
It's weird with how integrated the various species are, for so long (over 2000+ years in some cases) that they just pack up and go home.
Remember, it was a cast system,the grunts were practically a slave race
@@emiliianoportillo1311 yes, and? There are many Covenant colonies. For all Grunts, Jackals, Drones, etc, to just shrug and head back to their homeworld? Not likely.
@@emiliianoportillo1311 Doesn’t matter, just try to wrap your head around just how long 2000 years really is. The amount of generations and changes to their culture would be insane.
take a look at jews, they were gone from israel for thousands of years too and they went back when given the chance
the member species of the covenant are each very proud and know their origins, and while yes they go home but its not like every member of every race did so, jackals continue to serve as mercs, grunts are integrated all throughout galactic society, as well as engineers, sangheili (arguably) are on friendly terms with humanity as well as some other covenant races
It would be an interesting route to take story wise to have the UNSC build a federation with former covenant species and maybe a few new ones to fight against the banished.
Sounds interesting. Far as I can tell, the UNSC and Covenant mostly existed within the Orion arm of the galaxy. Wonder what’s going on beyond this region.
@@ShawndaPrawn with a little bit of retconing maybe we could find an empire that somehow survived the firing of the Halo array and remembers the human empire. It would be interesting to see how humanity reacts and tries to convince them that they aren’t really the same thing.
I'm surprised the grunts didn't try joining up with humans too. I remember some entry in expanded media about captured grunts doing some menial tasks in a unsc base and all they needed was one guy for super vision and a methane tank.
What happened to the species after the war?
343: "Nothing, they all continued doing the same thing, pretty much."
Good work
Thanks!
Yo keep up the great work 🗣️🔥
Thanks! Trying.
it is wild that halo reach-3 is only a 3 month gap
Agreed man. Halo Reach, CE, Halo First Strike, Halo 2, Halo: ODST, and a few comics!!
"Lord Player, can you hear me?
Yes, master. Where are the lekgolo, are they fine, are they safe?
It seems that in your rant against 343, you killed them....
WHAT? ME? IT CANNOT BE I SENSED THEM THEY WERE ALIVE.... NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!"
Never forget how untrustworthy the yanme are in the books lmao especially harvest and the short story with I think black team when they get a translator from them lmao
Freakin' Hopalong man...
if only yayap and dadab was able to live to see the end of the covenant rip
You didn't mention the ShanShayum?
oh dang, I suppose I didn't. They escaped in a flotilla to a shield world called Cloyster!
Surprised that none of the grunts came to human worlds. I guess ONI has something to do with that
what about the engineers?
There were even sangheilis that were on underground business with human inssurectionist or black market, I remember in one comic they even said human capitalism is better than any species systems.
Thinking of the book Halo the Cole Protocol perhaps?
What about the engineers?
After the war, many of the engineers formerly in the Covenant's possession either died or dispersed. However, some remained in the hands of the swords of Sangheilios and other Sangheili factions.
Others now serve the UNSC, and believe me, they get better treatment from the UNSC than they ever did from the Covenant. Sadly, on the ark, some are being used as slaves for the Banished, and are treated even worse by the Banished than they were by the covenant
All of what this guy said ^^^@@RandomInternetUser-yi5cc
and all of the huragok lived happily ever after building happy little tractors and nobody ever bothered them again :-)
where can I read more about this?@@RandomInternetUser-yi5cc
Is there any explanation for the Prophets' species (The San' Shayum or however you spell it) and their fate? We know some might still be alive on their home planet, but did any of the council survive the fall of High Charity? Is it possible their species is gone completely, since they were already struggling due to their dwindling population and Cortana could have destroyed their homeworld like she did the Jiralhanae?
If I'm remembering right, the council was more-or less wiped out by Truth's faction during the civil war on High Charity, and the rest gobbled up by the Flood when it arrived on In Amber Clad.
I thought it was canon that the Elites erased the prophets and glassed the Brutes homeworld at the end of the civil war, before everything splintered into small faction infighting.
That is not. Post-war, Elites were embroiled in both a Sangheili Civil War and a war of retribution against the Jiralhanae. The Prophets fled High Charity after the flood outbreak in H2 and disappeared.
Good video. Anything on the engineers?
I thought it was implyied that the Engineers began to flee the Covenant during the events of ODST.
@@kid14346in the early books, there are engineers throughout the fleet, so it would be unlikely that their situation would change from the events of ODST
@@MrYaniv99Fair, I would assume that the engineers would be in the same boat as grunts though. Some stuck with other covenant species and some fled to freedom, and a few went with the humans.
I wish they got happier endings.
Are the engineers people like with grunt and elite they speak in sign language and stuff
Yup, the engineers whistle, chirp, and speak through sign language
Ahh in the book vergil did not want to leave sadie behind because there beat friend and he save buck team in the book and hug sadie
Since the Jackals are mercs, are the instances where humans have hired them? Be it UNSC or Insurrectionist forces?
If I remember correctly, there have been pirate bands that typically stop at Venezia, a human colony not under UEG control. Some outfits have Jackals in their crew, but not often. Jackals typically stick to their own broods.
The elites being so splintered never made much sense to me since they were the most civilized and united race in the covenant and during the great schism they were the ones being targeted and it was galaxy wide since the profits broadcasted to kill the elites to everyone in the covanent so by the end of Halo 3 all of the elites that were part of the covanent before were fighting together or at the very least understood what was going on and that was a majority of their species. Splinter factions make sense but all out civil war didn't. The swords should've been the dominant power and even more put together than the banished imo. All the other races make sense though
They never die, and they survive because they are worms.
They definitely die my friend
So were the prophets just straight up the last of their kind?
As far as we know their population is in the thousands, possibly tens of thousands. So yea
Bruh 343 lore aint canon though
lol it sure is
@@phoenixaffliction Bungie wanted it to end at 3. But Microsoft wanted more and so they made odst and reach. Which is literally where the story ended. The original creators wanted it to end there and its a perfect ending. So there's my proof of it ending there. There wouldn't be a Halo 4 or 5 or infinite if Microsoft wasn't greedy.
@@phoenixaffliction oh and 343's lore ruins the lore that bungie built. Like the forerunner retcon. So there. More proof
if you say so. I guess we'll just disregard The Rubicon Protocol, Envoy, Bad Blood, etc.???@@paperclip6377
@@phoenixaffliction what is that?