I look at a BARGAIN rated KEH camera.
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Bought my husband his first "real" camera at KEH. It was "bargain" grade but was actually in great shape. Years later and the camera still works and he takes it everywhere.
WHAT?? A wife, that buys a camera for her husband?? Holy moly, serious? 🤓👍
I think what I need to do, because I haven’t really sold most of the old cameras I used to own unless I really hated them, is wrap them up in bubble wrap, put them in a cardboard box on my porch, get somebody to ring my doorbell for me, and then pretend I’m getting a new camera so I can enjoy the experience of unboxing them and shooting with them for the first time again. There is something magical about approaching old cameras with fresh eyes, but you need that spark of excitement so you’re not focusing on the negatives. (Unless it’s film negatives, amiright?)
Great shots! Love seeing some shots and footage from the archives, too!
Based on my experience, they’re very conservative with their grading. Everything I’ve ever received from them has been in quite a bit better shape than I had expected, given the grade KEH had assigned to it.
That goes on the selling end too. I've sold one body and several lenses via KEH and they definitely undergrade equipment based on their own examination. On the one hand, I could likely make a lot more selling old gear myself. OTOH I don't have to deal with scammers; the sell prices aren't terrible; and I'd be confident that kit I buy from KEH has been very well vetted.
I have to agree with you: there is something about the older DSLRs that is enchanting in a way I have yet to encounter with my EOS R5 and all those hi-tech R lenses. All I had was a 5D Mark II and the 24-70mm f/2.8 and I got some incredible photos with that set up. Sometimes I wonder what those exact same photos would look like with my new system, which is tack sharp. On the other hand, I shot film for over 15 years and I have no nostalgic desire to go back to that, just the 5D (which I stupidly sold - mine was in better condition than this one 👀 lol).
I know what it feels to have sold your 5d ii . I encountered the same and i bought another but better one. Now i will never sell it. Try to buy one for keeps. Good luck
Wish we had KEH here in Australia - it would certainly make purchasing second hand cameras/lenses less of a crap-shoot
Why not starting a similar business?
I bought a lot of stuff from KEH and they deliver to Australia , still cheap for second hand . Delivery a little expensive but worth the quality .
I've bought a bunch of stuff from them too. Never had a problem with any of it.
Oh this one hurt! In a good way... In a "I wish I didn't sell this exact Camera + Lens combo but at the same time I am okay with it for now and lets watch Omar make me feel cool for being included in the proud ex-canon fanboy club" :) I always thought that the Mark II has the best body "shape" out of all 5D's. Not too soft but not too edgy. And everytime I discover my old 5D MkII files with the 35mm F2 IS I don't think "oh another photo that looks outdated today". No, they always look good and professional.
My two "go to" places for purchasing used gear is always KEH and Robert's Camera. I think what is so great about these two companies is that they list their gear properly AND have great return policies. In the last 20 years I have had to only twice return an item. I don't recommend buying use if you don't know the gear, but buying used SAVES lots of money!!!
Also got a great XE2 from Allen’s Cameras in Philly.
Everything from KEH is overpriced.
@@Tap-a-roo it’s priced higher because you get a guarantee meaning it doesn’t benefit them to try and screw you over with a faulty item. Consider the extra cost as insurance that you don’t get when you buy from many other places.
@@Tap-a-roo - Remember that KEH has to make a profit to stay in business. They pay wholesale for our stuff and sell it at what they can get for it (retail). For example...a Canon 5Dll is ex condition sells for $321. If I sold them mine, they would pay $138. We can always sell our own gear at retail (the going price) but it takes time and money to meet up with potential buyers. If we take their offer for our camera gear, we are taking less for the convenience of letting them do the work and selling it to their customer.
In the last month I purchased 3 cameras from MPB. All in great shape and the shipping packaging was great. The pictures on the website are the actual camera being purchased. The shipping experience wasn’t perfect but overall a recommendation.
Also, they pack in eco friendly materials which is nice
They also post the shutter count for every camera.
I bought a used 6D and love it. Full frame and was the right price instead over paying for a camera because it is new. Yeah. Haven't bought new for a long time.
I bought my used 6D from a student at Yale. The strap reeked of marijuana. It still has an essence whenever I put the camera up to my face, years later...
Recently bought a Fuji X-Pro2 from MPB for around half the price when new - this is a camera that I was never sure I'd like and so would never have bought new. So glad I bought it. With a 35mm f/2 it has quickly become my favourite carry around camera. Buying used is a great way of trying cameras you might not be quite 'sure of'.
This has to be one of the the best camera videos I’ve seen in a long time!
This was also my first full frame digital camera ever. It served me well! The reason I sold it is that I got a D800E and saw the difference in dynamic range and high ISO performance. If you install a CFW on this thing (Magic Lantern), you get massive specs boost like video autofocus pulling, dual ISO, and HDR modes, full sensor readout 5.6K RAW video, and a bunch of other crazy stuff!
This is great, you are ON! Have done business with KEH several times myself, in the middle of a trade right now. I agree about shutter count AND USA model!! Will share this with our group!
So awesome! I just did my first trade in with them and picked up a canon 135 f2 for a great price. Experience was so easy. It’s good to note they also have a 180 day warranty for most grades (I think all but ugly). Love your videos!
Just began photography (after a 50 year hiatus) and bought a used Canon t3i from KEH. I was very pleased by all the things you referenced.
As always hilarious? Bravo Omar. I did own the Canon 5D 2 camera and it was my first full frame too, and yes I used it for many shots and later sold and purchased the Nikon D810. Now I even have the Nikon D850 and two Fujifilm's XT3 and Xt100 Love all the cameras.
Used to buy from KEH about a decade back when I was in the US on a regular basis. BGN was my go to category, 90% of the time the gear was in great shape. I'd have to check if I ever went ugly :)
Nice to see some love for the golden oldies!
Love it. All the info and just the right amount of goofy. A+.
Same for me, the Canon 5D Mark II was my first ff camera but I still have it despite switching over to Fujifilm, that's how much I love this camera. Thanks and have fun!
Love this camera! even the older 5d mark 1 was also quite nice for pics 👍
....I'm actually working on a video now....where I'm selling some of my gear....Sponsored by KEH 😂😂😂 (Legitimately selling it tho. I have WAY too much gear)
I trust you, man. All good lol.
This was eye-opening. I will consider KEH in the future. Thanks for the video.
Yet another excellent video!! I had a 5dmk2 and loved that camera...many many photos taken together... Kinda miss it now... I'm a big fan of buying used gear, thanks for your video and taking a chance on a bargain camera! Cheers
Sometimes I surprise my self with old Kodachrome shots, and my old Pentax DSLR shots. Amazing that several don't suck! :)
Omar thank you for such a great video, I hope your camera is still going strong. I just recently ordered one of the "Bargin" 5D Mark II cameras and not such good luck. It was missing the eyecup, interface side doors and had over 300k shutter count. It had a bunch of specs on the view finder and one spot of dust on the sensor that really stood out. It was well used as far as the finish. I contacted KEH via chat online and they are doing an exchange and adding notes to make sure the verify the exchange has the eyecup and doors on it. Hopefully the next one will be great. I agree with you completely that they need more info on the camera you are buying and pictures would be an awesome addition to their website.
I’ve bought most of my gear used over the years and it’s pretty good from a “bargin” lens from KEH (Canon EF-M 18-55) which works well, as well as few lens from Adorama & MPB to my Canon M100 refurbished direct from Canon. You can save a good amount of money this way if done right. MPB shows the shutter count on the DSLRs.
I understand what you're talking about. When I feel like going out for some all day shooting, regardless of all my cameras.... I always grab my trusty 7D Mark II.
i watch all your videos you are the true jim cary of cameras. love your humor
5D2 was also my 1st full-frame. It served me well for a few dozen weddings & other events, but it had trouble focusing in low-light, even with flash. I mostly used my 24-105L & 70-200L f/2.8 lenses. But in low light I used the Sigma 50mm f/1.4 lens, which helped.
Canon DSLRs have never been great at low-light performance. I say that as a former 5D Mark IV owner. The mirrorless models are much better.
Love KEH, but MPB is also great. And they do show each specific camera/lens so you can visually inspect it. They also let you setup a notification for when a particular camera body or lens becomes available. I SO wish KEH would do this, because if I'm looking for something a little more rare it sucks to have to go check every day for it.
I find MPB to be kind of a rip off. They're extremely expensive for used gear. But, to each their own. Agree that it is better to have pics of the item for sale.
@@matthewwells1606 I think it probably depends on what's being bought. I pay sales tax on KEH purchases but don't on MPB, and usually I find the prices to be within spitting distance of each other for comparable quality. I like that KEH offers a lot of vintage gear - I've bought some pristine medium format film lenses through them. I like that MPB packs their stuff with 0 plastic - all paper and cardboard packaging. I like them both! :)
@@christopherbgriffith I hear that. All good reasons. I just find that the prices at MPB are too close to new prices to make any sense for me.
@@matthewwells1606 Not sure what you've been looking for, but in things I've searched for lately, mpb prices have been 15-20% lower than KEH. For example, right now I'm looking at Canon EF 135mm f/2 lenses, used. It's about $569-649 on mpb. KEH has them $687-792. Both do a nice job describing what you'd be getting...
KEH has a "Wish List" link on the pages I see for cameras. I don't know if it does email notifications too, but I assume it does, (I have not used that feature of their site yet)
Yeah, that was very enjoyable!! Thanks!
I did business with KEH back in the late 1990s -early 2000s. I've just gotten back into photography after about a 15 year break. I've been trading off my older film (medium format and 35mm) the past month or so for updated Nikon DSLRs and lenses. I've traded roughly $3K worth of gear this past month and have been very satisfied with my transactions. I still have more gear to trade and it will all go to KEH. Glad you had a good experience with them also. New subscriber here! :)
Nicely done! The issue of click count I believe is not an accurate "wear" indicator for any camera that has video capability. When someone records video there's a built in limit because of the heat it generates. That heat degrades the components in the camera's tight and sealed body. That video, whether a second or 30 minutes counts as ONE shutter actuation. For the beefy cameras body, like a D700, a 5D or the other pro models, camera mechanics have told me that replacing a shutter isn't so difficult or expensive, not including the manufacturer's service centers.
I love KEH. Their customer service is also great.
About 2 months ago I purchased a Fujifilm 100-400mm from KEH. They judged to be "Excellent" condition. It was well packed, and I could not tell it from new. This pleasantly surprised me. I will definitely buy from them again. PS. I owned a Canon 5D years ago, it was great! Don't blow up your camera with aftermarket batteries ;)
Can't go wrong with a 5D mk2. I've still got mine, and just love the images it produces. There's deffo something about those old cameras. Boooya! Here in the UK we have MPB that sells used cameras, but they actually have the image of the camera you're buying.
Thank you for this video. It gives me confidence on trying out their bargain items..
This gives me nostalgia for my first DSLR. Maybe I should just hold onto it.
I've bought a few lenses from KEH and am always impressed by the condition. I think their ratings are VERY conservative. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a "bargain" piece of gear from them. Everything I own would be lucky to get rated "ugly"
they are my go to for used gear not always the cheapest but I have never been disappointed by anything I have bought there
Awesome! I just bought my first dslr and a lens from KEH after my bridge camera broke. It’s a bargain older Canon and I can’t wait for it to show up. I didn’t have a huge budget, but I’m excited!
I've purchased a number of used cameras from KEH, B&H, and MPB and have never had a problem. I do, however, always opt for those rated Excellent. A few years ago I traded in an old Nikon D7000 with around 50,000 shutter actuations. It had the usual slight usage scars but was in very good condition overall. When KEH listed it they commented that the flash mount showed use or some such term which made me chuckle as I never so much as shot a single flash shot with the camera and the mount was in pristine condition. Very reassuring to see that they erred on the safe side!
Always been very happy with my KEH purchases.
I went through two Canon 5D Mark II bodies, I still have the second one and occasionally pull it out. I like you love the nostalgic feel to it, for some reason my black and whites just come out the right way. It's a nice compliment to my Fuji XPro2. I should get the sensor cleaned and get out and do some long exposures!
Very cool! I almost bought an X-T2 on KEH a little over a year ago. But, I then found an X-T3 in like new condition with the 18-55mm. It would have cost more to get the X-T2 body alone then buy a Fuji lens. There are several services like KEH as you know. But the one I bought from was relatively new and you might not be aware of it. The name is Gear Focus. Take care, have a great weekend! Some warmth coming to the northeast this weekend!!!
I just sold some gear to MPB. Getting some very much needed glass to complete my ( new to me ) Workhorse kit. I like both KEH and MPB , but really like that MPB takes pictures of the actual product being purchased.
I have been buying a lot of stuff from KEH for 20 years. Only once had an issue (dust in lens), and they made it right painlessly. I am a big fan.
I’m still blown away with the OG 5d, Vanessa Joy did a video with it a few weeks back and the output is very good, the reds were just WOW.
Got one myself a few months back. Incredible camera. Such a bargain, too. Probably because it comes with none of the modern conveniences of cameras today. It feels like a film camera that just happens to be digital.
Great video, especially 2015 Omar.
I just packed my 5D Mark 3 to ship to KEH for trade-in. Seeing your video, I really got emotional. I think over time we forget how close and happy we were when we got that camera. Your video helped me realize that love once again ! Now I need to reconsider if I really should sell it for an R6.
I bought a Panosonic 8 to 18 lens and was REALLY happy with the transaction with K E H.
That is really good to know! I have bought and sold from them for a few years as well, and I avoided every trying a "bargain" rated model. In credible. These people have cred.
I inherited one of these camera from my father in law, mint condition less the 5k shot with the original 24-105 F4L and a 16-35 2.8L. It was his puppy!
I bought an CF to SD adapter and use a couple of Toshiba WiFi ad cards.
This camera can RT hold itself very well in 2022!
I’ve had good luck with most KEH purchases as well. Wouldn’t hesitate purchasing bargain rates items there. I agree on old cameras. I bought an original 5d a while ago and I actually really like it even though I don’t need it at all. I think it’s limitations in IQ actually HELP make it “filmic”. It simply does not have the dynamic range to make the image flat. Sorta like slide film.
Really good stuff! I shoot with old D500, D750, Olympus E-5 and of course my film cams. I also have Olympus EM1X that I enjoy. But the colors from my older cameras just seem to be more pleasing. Also, I buy all camera equipment used off of Ebay, with nary a problem. I have a lot of camera stuff, very old and such, and now that I'm retired, just enjoying what I have. Cheers!
In Europe we have MPB that does the same thing. It shows actual, high res pictures of every camera and lens they sell. Very nice feat. I believe the two companies are related, even, but could be wrong.
Can’t beat a little bit of nostalgia. Good kid your KEH purchase wasn’t an MEH.
Hey Omar
Still got my old Mk1 Canon 7d..... I havent used it in ages but last time I did i realised all the benefits of shooting with my xt3, but the images off the old 7d are just stunning. I'd love to pick up a 5d mk2 like you. It was going to be my next camera after the 7d but then Fuji XT3 came about and bla bla bla.
Enjoy that camera man. Have fun. 🙂😎📷👍
that was fun. I want an old camera now!
MPB does used too… but you can see the products and they also have shutter counts.
Cool!!
I love EH, but never dreamed a bargain would be in such good shape. Thank you for the video.
TO OMAR: I just found your channel, enjoyed your presentation style (and facial expressions), and your demonstration (and points about KEH). Subscribed and will look at more of your videos.
To Steadman. Thanks 😊
I still have my old 5d Mk2. The good ole 6 hour battery life days. Don't forget the first thing you do with a 5d....load up Magic Lantern firmware on it
Love the Canon 5d ii. My ef 28mm f1.8 is glued to it!
Wow! That is a bargain! Lovely work as always!
A very entertaining video! Thank you.
Outstanding! What a bargain! 😄 That Camera was an iconic release by Canon. Whilst the subsequent Mark III and Mark IV releases were not as revolutionary, more evolutionary! The Mark III was a good camera, and so is the 5D4, but they could have/ should have been much more?! I own the 5d4, and why Canon only went with a UHS-1 SD card, is beyond me? And not offering any in camera crop like the 5Ds / 5DSr, was a loss. Anyway, I digress
Follow up video on how you getting along with your ‘new’ camera is in order!
Stay safe and Healthy! 👍✌🏻😀📷
Agree with this completely... There's something truly charming about the way FF DSLRs produce photos. Mirrorless gen is a different beast indeed.
Man! I'm a new subscriber without a doubt.
I just bought a Canon 1DX in bargain condition from KEH that arrived in the mail today. It has some scuff marks on the plastic that are superficial. The LCD looks perfect. Autofocus is fast and accurate. I photographed a blank sky at f22 and the sensor is clean - no dust spots. I was nervous about the shutter actuations, but I checked and the number is
There’s something magical about your first real camera that you love. I may sell and trade my future cameras but I will never sell it get rid of my fuji xt2. Holding on to that forever.
years ago I got lenses from KEH and Roberts camera in BGN and Ugly condition that seemed to work just fine. The BGN always looks pretty good.
KEH famously grades their gear very conservatively. Good company, and has been literally for decades.
Recently picked up an "excellent" Canon 5D MK1! I'd be curious to hear your opinion of that one with it's iconic sensor not found on the MK2-up. Love KEH! I also got a like new 40mm 2.8 pancake lens off ebay which I am loving on the body. Have you used that one?
I haven't bought much from them, but the items I have, I've been pleasantly surprised. OF course I never bought anything in the Bargain class. Usually in the Good to Like New condition. I actually bought a Fuji XT20 once and it was rated as "Good condition" but from what I saw, was more like Excellent to Like New. Of course with Fuji, it's hard to tell the shutter count so it could have had a lot of actuations I just couldn't tell. But from a mechanical and physical standpoint, almost no signs of use. Unfortunately I only kept it for about a year and then traded it in for something else. But I think their prices are quite fair and ratings are decent, plus in terms of warranty on most items (except Bargain I think) you get half of what you would buying new in terms of warranty coverage, so that's also nice. It's actaully even a little better than buying a refurbished unit from the mfr in some cases. Better price and longer warranty (but it's still used, and not refurbished, which I would rank them as :new, refurbished by mfrs, and then used, USED being what KEH sells).
Your hilarious man 😂 I’m definitely going to try keh
I love this guy, I could watch this guy talk about cement and it be entertaining. I could care less about photography ahah but I do.
My first full frame digital camera was the Canon 5D. In 2015, I traded in my Canon gear for the Fujifilm X-T1 with the kit lens. A few years ago, I went back to re-process some of the images I took with those cameras, and I had to wonder why did I get rid of them.
This was my first FF camera as well ----went to this M2 from my T5i ....
That's an impressively low shutter count!! That 5dii sensor is amazing; I agree with you... there is just something about it
This is very informative! I buy my used gear from MPB because they show the picture of the actual camera you buy. If/when KEH makes that change it will be huge!
MPB were dire in my case and offered a terrible price for a trade in on a rarely used pristine camera .. never again.
@@kiwipics yeah...I've had that experience on a couple of sites trying to sell my gear. You take a hit for the convenience as opposed to eBay.
Have bought many lenses and cameras from KEH. They are fantastic and stand behind their products. If you find something wrong with it they will immediately exchange it, if they have another, or refund with no problems. They have fantastic customer service. Yeah, their Bargain grade is usually really good, they are super conservative on their grading and it is highly appreciated.
Awesome! That too was my first full frame Canon. I regretted selling it
Something great about that color, for sure.
it's a bit of a gamble in my experence; I got a XF14mm F2.8, a Minolta 7C rangefinder and Minolta Maxxum 700SI+a couple lenses, all bargin. The Fuji lens and the rangefinder were out of box basically new, I'm impressed with the rangefinder given how old it is at 60+ years old, the SLR was in rough shape and the plastic of the body was partly broken and the lenses needed basic TLC
Good to see a fellow 973er rate KEH. I’ve seen quite a few photog influencers for lack of better word all say sponsored by them but I like to get back to SLR (film) again just for nostalgic reasons. So don’t want to spend much on a body and glass. Still got film from when photoplus occurred so like go use it before it goes bad.
Hi Omar, just here to say that if you didn't noticed, maybe there is something in the sensor, in the video you can see like a fluff in the bottom-middle of the image!
Also, it's great to see that you re-own your old camera! Great video as always :D
Great Homer Simpson impression!
Entertaining way for a review love it subbed
what's your thoughts on the auto focus with the mark ii. i have heard that back when it came out people were having trouble with lenses not focusing correctly even with the lens calibrated?
I agree you are right on "old " cameras. I have a Canon EOS 20D. Thing is built like a tank. Takes descent enough pictures for me. Since I am a landscape photographer, if something happens to the 20D, not the end of the world.
Haha, i still take this camera one some pay gigs, love it.Thanks Omar, maybe one day 5D classic
I'm shocked that was a bargain grade.
Now that made me feel like they do care about the photographer who is getting their products, not just to make a sale.
I want a mirrorless camera, one day if I'm lucky (Bad Health) maybe I can end up with a bargain camera and lens.
Thanks
I wanted to get a full frame camera and gave KEH a try. Got a bargain 5D Mark III for the price you paid. Little bit higher shutter count and some scuffs on the bottom. But it works great! So happy ordered a Canon 24-105 L F4 rated as excellent and would have to agree.
Tried doing a trade of my RP and 24-240 lens and get credit for a LN R6. The process was easy and the way they ship is fantastic! However, seems like a lot of these sites(like mpb) are buying gray market new cameras and selling them as LN because they have a very hard time getting them, otherwise. I ended up returning the R6 to KEH and just bought a refurb direct from Canon and saved a couple hundred bucks. It's hard to get mad at KEH because Canon stopped using them as an authorized reseller and they were doing full 1 year warranties up to the end of 2021. With mpb, they show you pics of the actual camera. Interestingly enough, if they had a camera that was in Excellent condition, I'd enter the serial number into the Canon registration page and it was good. I could register it if I bought it. If it were LN, the serial number would be blocked on the Canon website, likely meaning it was also gray market. Just an FYI...
I think you got a real deal, congrats!
MPB is similar. Only they seem to actually give pics of the gear you are buying. and honestly, you should try some of the lowest ranked stuff from KEH. Just to see what you can get. I went for MPB's lowest rated camera [a 5D mk1, at that] that was still working. It could have been sold as near to new. If it were on eBay, it would have been. Works as good as it came out the factory. The most you can tell it's been used before me is that the coating on the hotshoe mount has barely started rubbing away, leaving some shiny edges that give it character. I had to double check they hadn't sent me the wrong thing and actually taking twice the amount out of my account. OG 5D is a beaut. Hope to keep it going for a long time yet.
You totally scored!