150 year young ELR project
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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Rifle:
Barnard Lapua action (target) trigger and 60moa rail
K.S. Arms 30" 1: 10 twist straight 1.25" barrel
Custom Chassis
Nightforce 5-25x56 SFP scope
Tacom HQ Charlie Tarac set to 300moa (Elevation Adder) Delta Tarac
ERA-TAC adjustable elevation scope base
4AW Muzzle brake, Bipod system, Bagrider and Forward Optic Mount
Total weight approx 24 lbs (11kgs)
Ammo: handloaded 575grn Cutting Edge Laser .458cal bullets at 2390fps
TORIC UHD 27-55X80 Angled Spotting Scope
4AW spotting scope stand
4AW shooting mats
Conditions
55°F Temp
65% Humidity
28.8 inHg
1000' above sea level
average 10 mph wind from 6 o'clock
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It’s funny when you mentioned black powder, I’d said to myself “ah, Mark andSam’s Mortar channel”, and then you mentioned artillery…😂😂😂🚀🚀🚀
Yep, Cheers Jay
great stuff Mark & Sam. 400 MOA is crazy, just to get so close to the target at that range is phenomenal. Good work!
Thanks Johnny, Cheers Man
Seriously- I’ve complimented both of you on many occasions but I have to say the Skillsets you have are amazing. To be proficient in two or even three areas says a lot about a person, but you have to be proficient to the point of expertise in seven areas that I can tell. Amazing. Amazing individual skills and teamwork.
Thank you for your kind words man, Cheers and all the best
It's pretty incredible what you can do with the old sharps cartridge. Taking an old cartridge utilizing modern components and pushing the envelope. I like it! I think an ELR project utilizing one of these new factory muzzeloaders in .40 cal would be a cool project either the Knight Preregrine or CVA paramount. It would be cool to see how far you can push one.
Cheers
Modernizing old stuff, and retro futurism are always fascinating.
Cheers Man
I put in a Permit to Acquire for a used Falling Block black powder in 38-55/.375 Big Bore.Its was registered simply as a .375.Waited....waited....waited,I finally rang why the hold up.After much to and fro I was asked if it was a Cheytec,the thought being I was trying to sneak a prohibited cartridge in .I dig what you do and its not the inner Fudd coming out but I can see the wheels turning in some quarters .Cheers
Excellent ballistics information mate, thanks.
Thanks Mike
Fun fact for you Mark, heard you say “snafu” during this clip. Snafu has it’s origins in WW2, it is an acronym for Situation Normal All F Up. I have been following you and Sam for awhile now, have enjoyed your channel a lot and learned much. Thanks.
Thanks Howard, glad you liked, Cheers
Love seeing the old cartridges doing some work. Fantastic video!
cheers Mike
Thanks for the videos. Happy Easter!
Happy Easter, Cheers Stephen
Nice one! Alway dreamed of building a 45/120, at least Paul hasn’t banned everything.
Cheers
I am always amazed by how long it takes the bullet to reach the target. Enjoyable presentation. I will be watching more of your content. Thanks.
Thanks Aury, Cheers
As a fan of the big old rimmed cartridges, and a fan of efficient, long bullets, I loved this! Great experiments, and amazing shooting!
Thanks Jason, Cheers
Great stuff; thank you, both.
Thanks David
Fantastic work. With a 10 second travel time any consistency is a hope and prayer unless you can somehow get real time atmospheric info from shot to shot.
Cheers
Impressive results for direct fire from a legacy artillery round!😜
Most emblematic of of the proper application of rifle smithing and ELR fundamentals.
Thanks for sharing and cheers.
Thanks you George, Cheers
These projects are a lot of fun. I would like to do something similar with a 22 Hornet for plinking. I’d like to see the biggest bullet I can push out of it.
Cheers
Thats a heck of a build there! Beautiful rifle, i thought i liked to shoot distance, but y'all take the cake! Great shootin as well as ballistic details, cheers from West Texas fellas!
Thanks Adam, Cheers Man
I loved the series you did with the modernized 45-70. This should be interesting!
Thanks Matt
Mark and Sam you guys always amaze me. The 45/70 at 1100 yards with a big wind is impressive. I'm always jealous of how little your rifle setups move when shot. I've watched you explain your setups ,there is a lot put into it. My chassis setup still bounces up .I haven't bought one of your brakes or sleds yet...I'm getting kinda long in the tooth to keep at it as much as I used to.
Thanks Dave, Cheers man
Always good. Expert trigger man. Beautiful rifles. Camera girl =10.
Cheers Sandy
awesome, i learn so much ...greatly appreciate you both
Thanks Jack, Cheers
You are most impressive Mark! Keep them coming.
Thanks Jason, Cheers
Breaking down so many pre-conceived ideas and 'facts' quoted as gospel by keyboard marksmen. Brilliant.
Special mention to your shooting partner. Very supportive, attentive and accurate in calling the shots. Everyone needs someone like that behind them if they want to progress not just in shooting but in life too.
Thanks Man, Cheers
Thank you for your time and effort. This is awsome!
thanks Carl
Legend...it's so satisfying to fiddle. I have made my old 8mm mauser do fantastic things....old but not cold
Awesome, thanks man, Cheers
The right barrel length and twist ratio can do wonders for these old calibers. It's easier to make a new gun, than it is to make a brand new bullet and gun to go with it.
Cheers
Without the one hole shot none of us would be here the perfect shot
Cheers Gaz
Very impressive!! I really enjoy your variety of content.
Thanks Bobby
Amazing stuff! These "needler" loads (long, straight-walled cases with long, high-BC bullets) are going to make a comeback with good experimentation like this, & not just for single shot ELR!!
Cheers Man
RCA- Rifle Caliber Artillery, you invented it. Congratulations. 😬😬
Lol, Cheers
Fascinating. I didn’t realize you personally did so much to this rifle let alone bullet development. All I normally see is you both making incredible shots at incredible distances. What I am curious about is the range that you shoot at. Is this state land? How do you prevent others from accidentally crossing into your path? Are there permissions you have?
Thanks Jargo. Private property. Special permission. They are friends of ours. It is a working farm and full knowledge of owner so noone is working when we are out there. Cheers
Nicely done. Some would say,with a 45/120 you'd be throwing rocks at the moon. But you have proven it can be done. Nice. Carry on!
Thanks Man, Cheers
Great lot of fun with an old cartridge!!
Yep, thanks Loren, cheers
Goes to show, these old cartridges are a lot more capable than people believe. Though I think a lot of that's because they're used to shooting them out of platforms that aren't designed to reach out that far.
Thanks Man
Thanks for pointing out that new cartridges are mostly about selling more stuff. Projectile development is the real story.
Thanks Paul, Cheers
Projectiles and the rifle itself.
This is interesting to me, a BPCR shooter, because many in the American BPCR community refer to this cartridge as the "45 why bother?". The sweet spot for BPCR shooters seems to be the .45/90 and .45/110. Personally I get the best results with the 535 grain postell bullets, which is what I think you were trying to remember. The Lyman part number for the mould is "457123". The boys at the range like to flex paper patched bullets, and I have gone down that rabbit hole with nice results, but honestly the Postells work great and a WAY lower effort. :)
Yes great for normal Sharps rifle and set up, we do the same with our sharps, all on video btw, but of course, not the same distance or accuracy, Cheers
The brass and barrel life is probably pretty good with that cartidge ;)
Cheers
WOW, Brilliant. Cheers from 🇺🇸
Thanks Bob
Mark, the look of the rifle reminds me of the Tubbs rifle here in the states.
Happy Easter to you and your family.
Love the rifle.
Thanks Richard
Great content thanks for sharing
Thanks John
What does felt recoil feel like?
A short sharp jab to the shoulder, a thump or more of a lunge?
About as it looks, heavy thump, not for everyone, Cheers
@@markandsamafterwork
Nice!
i christened the modern loads of the 45/120 as the 45/120 nitro - built into enfield 1914 actions about 11 years ago - you can see it on ammo guide
Awesome Jeff, Cheers
I was wondering what/how the stuff infront the scope worked. Thats wild!
Thanks Man
Nice!
Cheers
3800 yards 😮 mother of god
Lol, Cheers
Fantastic testing!!! 🐕
Thanks Man, Cheers
It's like the .260 Remington and 6.5CM argument, once they changed the twist rates and used the 6.5cm projectiles in the .260 they realized that .260AI outperforms the 6.5cm
Yep, Cheers Man
Impressive as always. Would that be the 458 cal 575 bullet? I just got in their 240 grain 30 cal lazers im going to try in my RUM and try and make a video
Yep, Cheers Tim
17:13 almost sounded like you were done and wanted to go back to the shop. Good partners that encourage us to push through are blessings.
In a project I have, I have to lube the cases with some loads or they don't extract. The pressures are way off in "danger" territory, the standard lower pressure rounds don't have issues. Not saying yours were high pressure (you said rhey weren't) but I'm wondering if a little lanolin or other light oil film on the brass is a potential remedy for you like it is for me.
Cheers
Just under 10KJ so still legal in Canada!
Awesome, Cheers man
Would be nice to see table review of actual cartridge and comparison with others, in this video
2380fps with a 575grn with a 0.85 G1 BC projectile, you can do your own, lol, Cheers
u r doing just fine
Cheers
Thinking if you were to have an offset mount to the scope. Instead of having the scope on top of you moved it a few inches to the left with a new mount.
Adding the periscope and attachments could be adding additional variables.
I’m also thinking that maybe calculating your next shot could be possible instead of guessing.
Maybe 375H&H or a case with taper might help with jams? Interesting.
Not on the same page dude, but thanks for the comment, Cheers
I've been thinking the same. A mechanical solution to the same issue that the side shift telescope is an optical solution for. 1.5" or 40mm horizontal offset on the scope base would do the same thing as the Charlie Delta, and then you can run the adjustable bases or the March scopes without the barrel affecting the effectiveness of those options.
Well next Project, modern 50-140 Sharps cartridge 😊
Lol, Cheers
Yes!
Cheers
It'd be cool to see this done with Nitro Express or other classic big game rifles
Cheers
Due to the very long length of the case, how hard or soft that brass may be with the combination of it being a straight wall case and the pressure, could that case be stretching down into the forcing cone / leade ? Fantastic work nonetheless !!! To put it crudely, if a 9mm Para case stretched 1 % you wouldn't noticed it, but that big case, 1% would be a lot. Food for thought. Keep up the great work !
Cheers Tom
What is this thing infront of the scope? Never seen something like that before.
All explained in the video, Cheers
A good video😊👍🏻👍🏻
Cheers
Been watching to much Quigley! (if there is such a thing)
Lol
Mark, is this a swap barrel system ?
No, we change barrels on all our rifles/actions, Cheers
Good😊
Cheers
you need a longer barrel
Lol, Cheers
Could the cause of it starting to jam at the third round be related to the barrel and chamber heating up with each round?
All explained, but no, not in this case.
Antigo sim obsoleto nunca.nmrk.
Cheers
Struggling to make Long Range worthy cartridges since the WA bans. Next, 45 x 450 ?
Still lots of options, just more interesting options than the normal choices... Cheers
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Cheers Peter
they look like ballpoint pen LOL
Lol
if you do 505, please consider a 510 not .505 barrel/chamber - loads of bullet choices
Of course, lol, Cheers
Are you the only blokes that are allowed to shoot these rifles over there? if so, bc of your job title, id assume others are very much pissed off? please explain. thanks.
🤦♂️There where some cartridge bans, some, all listed online, most are still legal, lol, Cheers
There is going to be alot less shooters after these new gun laws come into law in Western australia Shooters seem to be to devided in wa
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Thanks Andrey
imagine trodding along mid boogaloo and 300 grains of 120 yer old tally ho vibe checks your plates from a different zipcode
Lol, Cheers
At what range does a rifle become artillery?? LOL.
Forward spotters and indirect fire.... Cheers
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Thanks Kuron
"normal" ELR distances...? in which universe is 3000+ ranges with the calibre of bullets you use, "normal"...?😂
The MarkandSam universe, lol, Cheers
Mate, your knowledge and marksmanship is incredible. When I talk guns to non gun people I sound like a genius, when I listen to you I realise I know bugger all about “guns”
Lol, Thanks Jordan, Cheers
Interesting to see the use of an old style cartridge integrated with new equipment. Thanks for these.
Cheers Man
Necessity is mother of invention!!!!!! You needed it and you designed and built it. Great information, great shooting team. Happy Easter 22's were awesome as well....
Thanks Paul, Cheers Man
Almost 500k subs 👏🏻🤩
Holy sheeet...at Easter!
👍👍, Cheers Man
Amazing little project, at a very high degree of difficulty. Well done Guy's.
Thanks Trev, Cheers man
I was viewer .243
😊Cheers
Insane shooting skills and very detail brake-down
Thanks Man, Cheers
Hats off. Really impressive stuff!
Thanks Donald
I've done the same sort of thing with 6.5x55 I refuse to buy 6.5 creedmoor. Don't get me wrong, it's a fantastic cartridge. But, I refuse to buy one because everyone and their dog has one. My tikka T3 in a Bell and Carlson varmint stock shoots ragged holes. Then I went super silly and bought a weatherby accumark in 6.5x300. I have to work up a good load for that. But I'm not expecting the same accuracy
Cheers Chris
I have done the same 6.5x55SE every Day over the Needmore have bought me a Mauser M12 Expert some time ago, i also have the other two Mauser Rounds 8x57is and 7x57 i like old stuff and with modern Powders and Bullets and quality Brass you can do so much more than the Ammo you can buy from the Shelf
I'm in total agreement. People are always looking for the latest and greatest whiz bang product. But if we apply our new knowledge with older products we can achieve some really great things. And I like the idea of bringing those so called old or obseleate cartridges into modern times and applications. Great project, cool gun and cartridge combo👍👍👍👍😎😎😎
Thanks Rob, Cheers Man, all the best.
Interesting you should mention that. A few years ago I inherited a Thompson Center Contender pistol that I had no interest in shooting. Because it's so easy to change everything, I rebuilt it as a carbine with two easy to swap barrels: One in .22 Long Rifle, and one in 7-30 Waters because that's about the most pressure you can throw at a Contender frame. The 7-30 Waters is an interesting take on an ancient cartridge, being simply a 30-30 Winchester necked down to 7mm. It behaves almost exactly like a 7-08 Remington loaded a bit light. Both are very accurate, with Leupold glass.
@tarmaque is that the difference between the encore and the contender? The pressure the frame can withstand?
@@michaeldowling4160 Pretty much. The Encore can accept up to .300 Win Mag. There are some other details that are different as well, but that's the primary reason it was made. You can get a Contender in 45-70, but that's a low pressure cartridge as well.
Thanks for video. Absolutely amazing!
Thanks Mike, Cheers
Now that's what I call a far poke when you're going for a target at 3800 yards. Very impressive.
Thanks James, Cheers
Loved this video, interesting as heck and great information. Modern shooters for a large part, still think old designs, old guns and black powder mean far less accuracy. Are they ever wrong!
Agreed, Cheers Man
Just a bit of sizing lube on the cartridge before chambering. Bob's ur uncle.
Cheers
Into the nitty gritty, just the way I like it! Thank you guys for putting this all together.
Thanks Man
I guess I am a bit confused... So the project was to show that modern cartridges are not much more efficient than old straight walled designs? So you wildcatted a 45-120 chamber to accept ELR projectiles and It worked because you have a super nice custom rifle and obviously the knowledge/skill/equipment to make those shots in the first place.
How does that custom 45-120 with the modern ELR projectiles stack up against a modern cartridge that can fire the same or a similar projectile? What is the velocity difference? what does that do o the time of flight/drop at those ranges?
I think the project is cool but I guess I am having trouble understanding what the point was. I do not intend to come across as rude or dismissive I apologize if it seems that way.
The cartridge is not wildcatted, beyond that, not sure what more I can say, Cheers
I guess I realized the 45-70 is an older rifle cartridge perhaps before they started to neck them down and shorten the brass casing, but it looks more like a pistol cartridge. Seeing the 45-120 cartridge with the long pointy bullet more like modern rifle cartridges in the thumbnail really threw me for a loop, wasn't sure I was looking at a bullet and not a missile lol.
Lol, Cheers Man
I thought your guy's government banned anything bigger than .338 caliber? Is it because it is straight walled cartridge?
Some chamberings where banned, no calibers, WA banned is list online, Cheers
15:25 impact just behind the wind indicator, blink and you'll miss it. Good stuff, always interesting to see what you guys are up to.
Yep, lol, Cheers
A fair way off topic but do you have "Bacon and Egg Bush" on your hilltops there? When I was over for a seeding season, the landowner pointed the plant out to me and explained that it was dangerous to his sheep so typically the only places that it still existed on his place was the fenced off areas on hilltops that he either couldn't do much with anyway or they were conservation offsets. Cheers
Not seen them their, but probably around the area.
i had an enfeild in 308 that had a scratch in the chamber that stuck the bolt just like yours is doing..i took some worn out 3k grit sand paper and took the edges of the scratch and it worked! it never stuck again.
Thanks Man
Where do you get your 45-120 brass? I’ve been struggling to find it
We had it for a few years, from Northern Shooting Supplies
Need a gunners quadrant I’d be curious how many mils of elevation your rifle is using to reach the target.
3.4377 MOA per 1 MIL
Just curious on what the twist rate is on the barrel.? It is definitely stabilizing them long bullets well
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You have got to be the only crew that I've ever heard of to take a straight wall cartridge to that kind distance. I hope the political climate settles down for you and your countryman
Thanks Keith, all the best, Cheers