The saddest part about this is that Greg Land is fully capable of drawing without tracing, he just chooses not to because he's lazy. Also, the Iron Man drawing you showed at the beginning isn't by Greg Land. Everyone makes this mistake though, so I won't hold it against you. The actual artist for that drawing is Salvador Larroca (I apologise for spelling his name wrong. I'm as lazy as Greg Land so I can't be bothered to check the correct spelling lol).
@Mediocrespeciality no worries, like I said everyone thinks it's by Greg Land. TBH Greg will probably get around to tracing that picture one day given his track record lol.
There's a known saying "Give the hardest job to the laziest man and he'll find an easy way to do it" His job is not to make special edition books to be sold at a premium, it's to make comic books on schedule for cheap. Besides, just to maintain a large enough library of of photos and other comics to be able to use for comics is a skill in of itself.
I think the biggest thing with why Greg’s art looks weird is because he traces so many real people, it lands the characters directly in the uncanny valley, his poses are almost always still life from photos or other art which makes them look still and out of place. Other comic artists will still use reference but they adapt their art towards the narrative like; Your writer wants a shot of Batman swooping down from a rooftop, so you get your Batman references, work out composition, try a variety of poses and angles, settle on a good one and go from there. Greg doesn’t do that, he grabs a pre existing pose and at most, very slightly tweaks it and slaps it in a scene. It’s like someone making a comic book out of stock photos basically. Someone else brought up it in the comments and the video mentions it but it bears repeating, Greg can 100% draw normally, he’s actually fairly talented and some of his work shows this, tracing is easier and that’s why he does it. The reason it rubs people the wrong way is because it kinda of spits in the face of other artists efforts and time invested, they spend all their time practicing and putting in the effort to improve and Greg just steals their work, getting paid the same or more than them depending on the project and company. Plus, like you said, he gets hired because he’s fast and consistent, at a quick glance you could say his work looks appealing, it’s only after you see it a few times you realise the weirdness with it.
Alex Ross is doing the same thing as Norman Rockwell did- Photographing his own references. If Land had half the sense he would have hired a girl and took a few thousand photos to work from.
Norman Rockwell stole his style from JC Leyendecker. Rockwell was a huge fan of his. He's a weasel that befriended Leyendecker then stabbed him in the back by stealing away his job of doing Saturday Evening Post covers. As for what Leyender is known for besides the SEP covers, he created Baby New Year and designed the modern look for Santa Claus.
@@Pigeonsandoranges I have an art book on Leyendecker that covers everything he did and it talks about what I posted. It's not about art style. It's about stealing the concept and design he created. Rockwell is known for his Saturday Evening Post covers. Leyendecker was doing them for over a decade before Rockwell, but nobody associates him with it. Artists copying isn't just about tracing photos like Land, it's also about copying an artist's identity. If somebody today made a SEP style drawing people would be saying he was copying Rockwell, not the originator Leyendecker.
@vonVile besides the fact that most post people pass around of leyendecker are his sep. What your saying makes it sound like anyone artist who painted for sep stole leydendeckers identify
@vonVile Yeah? And Rockwell is known for making distinctly polarizing political message art. Leyendecker is more well known for his SEP and commercial art. Not only are their styles entirely different and they rose to prominence at different times in history and different periods of art, but they aren’t even largely known for the same type of art.
I think he kind of a big troll. One day he thought, "I bet I can draw a girl sucking a big pee-pee and get it published." and he is trying to see how long he can get away with it. It doesn't matter if people notice and call it out, just that Marvel/DC sign off and put it on the shelves.
Ive cobbled together references out of various stock photos and images and my own photos. Its a very different endevour than just tracing. Mainly because you have to actually think about what youre doing
@r.a.fgattaiguy845 Oh no Im talking about Alex Ross' method. The reference part is key here. Because reference is not the same as tracing. Reference is a core and important part of art, a visual library that you can look at while drawing. Especially useful if youre like me and have full aphantasia. Tracing is just lazy and results in bad work that doesnt make sense or even look good because there is no effort or time put in to understand the image. Especially the way Greg Land does it. There is a way to use tracing to learn, but its very very different to Greg Land. It focuses on the shape and not the details. Its how I improved my poses because it helped me to focus on the shape and the feel as apposed to the fine details that I got stuck on and thus ended up with a mess. greg land is just sad as an artist tbh
Ya know, tracing royalty free images? Meh, anatomy be hard. Tracing over your own art again and again? Okay sure, deadlines be damned and why not save some time. Tracing CORN???? Yeah... That's a no from me dog.
You know what, thanks for pointing me to Alex Ross. I was feeling very insecure over having the same technique, using self-made references in drawing. Good to know that I can still make it if I'm being original with it.
It is very common for artists with classic or traditional training to use photos as reference. Even someone like Alphonse Mucha (the art noveau guy) had models posing for him and taking their picture, like how Alex Ross does. What isn't ok is to downright trace.
Gave Iron Man a mouth, nose, wrinkles through his suit and just thought it was good enough. Can't believe editors didn't get him just straight canned after that. How was that shit approved?
I spent years learning how to draw. I even got a degree in Illustrations. I wish I knew all I needed to do is trace other pics to make it, and I wouldn't have wasted my time.
I've seen him draw at many local comic shops, he lives close to my LCS and comes in a lot for FCBD or just signings. He does sketches all day long. He also signs for free, which I can't say for many of the signers nowadays.
i think why Land keeps getting work besides a high turnover rate, is because comics at the big two is a bit of a good ol' boys club. people who wouldnt get hired elsewhere get jobs at marvel/dc because they have friends or connections in the upper levels at those companies. also, i wonder if land can even draw still without resorting to tracing everything? probably can't because he's so used to it.
I really loved his work on BOP 1999 and was extremely surprised to find out that the Greg Land that drew that series is the same Greg Land as this one 😂
I inked Greg on Birds of Prey and Nightwing, where he did a great job. THEN when we went to Crossgen, I saw him swipe pretty much all the time. I quit after a year at Sojourn because I hated re-inking the same re-used faces and figures! He cuts out photocopies, tapes them together and lightboxes them. In all fairness, I don't believe he used porn, ever. Those two images are used on all the UA-cam pictures but were probably movie stills. He has a wife and daughter and, much as I didn't like working with him, I know he doesn't use porn.
Not related to the vid but i found this in my fyp and you just happen to cover my two biggest special interests rn and I had to sub, this vid has really good paced editing and i hope this channel grows big !
I think his work is popular because the comic nerds subconsciously know they’re looking at porn stars. Heck, most teenage boys are attracted to comics and porn, no surprise there.
They're both bad in different ways. Ai steals more people's work but tracing is a direct, usually harder to spot copy of one, maybe two people's work. Copying is bad, here the person to blame is an artist, but with ai it's a big company that makes ais. in both cases they care so little about art that they think copying it won't matter
The sad thing is,as much effort he puts into tracing and swiping other artists poses,is about the same amount for actually just drawing the stuff your self. LOL. And he's built an entire career around tracing and swiping,plus,companies continue to hire him. I guess he's doing something right and selling lots of comics he's drawing.
I can't imagine how much work it was to just have this catalogue of poses to trace from and then going "aha, this is exactly what I need". That amount of work and effort could've been funneled into just drawing those poses and improving them
@@parsleyisthiccScores of artists meet their deadlines by drawing their entire books from their own art skills ( this is probably why some comic artists go to art school ) pride in their craft/art-skills won't let them skimp ( some do swipe poses tho,some ) but,the prideful artists skimp. Like the late-GREAT-George Perez-RIP: Mr Perez. You set a very high standard with your art skills,no tracing or swiping poses.
I was really confused when people started ranting about this because there had been a Wizards article where he detailed everything. I can see the inconsistent faces would be aggravating though. Worth noting that tracing and assembled art (another subject of ranting, especially around CAD) were pretty core parts of cartooning, being essentially what a light box is for. I’m not exactly bothered by shortcuts when the page rates are what they are, Greg just got a little _too_ lazy…
Well....I wasted my time learning consistency and all those drawing techniques for comics. All I needed to be hired at Marvel was tracing and zero shame, like Mister Land here... I got my portfolio rejected twice by Marvel, and Greg land makes a living out of comics by tracing porn and stealing art from others... And then people ask why manga hits ells comics so hard.
I mean, if you’re practicing a certain art style or want to draw something for yourself, it’s okay to trace. However, for official comic books, tracing is ridiculous. The time it would take for him to trace other people’s work could be used to actually create his own lol
Tracing and reusing art is fine, and if you’re open about it and giving the originals credit, can do his job on time AND do it well. By all means he is an artist. just stay away from the 🌽.
one important part about being a artist is creating something and this is hard to do when you are copying something already done like you can literally see how this hurts the comic with inconsistent characters and out of place motion
Greg was actually a pretty good artist back in the day when he used to draw his stuff himself. And I could be wrong on this part, and if I’m way off or mistaken then that’s my bad for this y’all. But again if I’m mistaken, I heard from somewhere that Greg actually started tracing in the first place to keep up with the demands and deadlines for the comics he was working on. You touched on that a little bit earlier in your video. But idk if you said or not that having to have panels done in a short amount time from the very beginning of his tracing was the reason he started tracing. And now he just does it because it’s way faster and pretty much a guarantee (depending on what he copies lol). But I heard that Marvel loves to have him around because he’s usually finished before the deadline lol. So tracing or not he gets the job done faster than a lot of other artists in comics. And what was the saying “If you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying” but in Greg’s case it’s “If you ain’t tracing you ain’t trying”!!! 🤣😂😂
Liefield at least improved. That's the funny thing they basically sorta started in similar situations but it's obvious one of them cares more about it than the other. They sorta had inverse arcs
This mf really made 3 different comics with the same covers and nobody said anything. This gives me hopes that I could make a comic, because nobody in the comic industry gives a fuck
I wonder what will happen when people realize that universally lauded artists like Wally Wood, Neal Adams & Drew Struzan not lnly traced (to some extent) but also advocated it as well. 😮
I remember that Francesco Mattina also had plenty of cases of tracing art, even AI use accusations by other artists or Joelle Jones that do pretty much the same as Greg but is really never talked about. I guess it became a cool meme.
tell me you know nothing about comics and deadlines without telling me you know nothing about comics and deadlines. LOL wtf was that scribble of a knight on your X profile?
i like the out of place porn poses, it adds character or charm in a way. it's kinda weird and silly, but harmless, and could quite easily go unnoticed unless someone pointed it out. or if you were into both comics and porn, which i suppose there is a fair bit of overlap.
Oh my god 🤣🤣🤣 When I was young, I used to draw a lot, but this is literally how I learned how to draw, by tracing pre-existing pictures and drawings of comic characters, and then when I got the hang of it, I went on to make my own original characters. I stopped because I thought that this was an illegitimate way to draw, or that it was cheating or plagiarism, so to hear that not only is this something people do al the time, but that Mr Greg here made a whole career out of it, so it just makes me feel validated and inspired to get back into art!!!!! Rock on, Greg Land!!!!
This isn’t something people do all the time, it’s why people don’t like Greg Land. Tracing to learn isn’t the problem and can be a valid way to study but Greg just steals from other people.
Yeah, Greg Land is a fantastic artist who sells comics because the customers like his art. You can disagree with his methods but much like Rob Liefeld, the money don't lie.
It's just a product without much artistic expression, not actual art. And precisely because of that it's silly to bash the guy for tracing stuff, why would anyone not cut corners when working on random DC slop?
this kind of gooner bait appeals to the lowest common denominator. The entire point of it, and the reason why it's looked down upon, is that it's an easy way to get lots of money ; saying "the money doesn't lie" makes no sense when you're talking about something that's disliked specifically *because* it's a low effort way to earn capital. That's like saying content farms are respectable because they get lots of views and ad revenue.
I'm not defending this guy's "art" or even insulting this other artist I'm going to mention, but why is it that Araki, the author of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, can get away with tracing poses from fashion magazines? To the point where Araki actually has drawn stuff for some of those fashion brands. Now, I love Araki, and at least he doesn't trace the same stuff over and over again, but that seems weird to me. Again, no shade at Araki though, he's a million times better than this guy lmao
because Araki has his own artstyle and very rarely does it, meanwhile doodoo boy can´t draw a woman without putting the paper over one of his 12 active tabs
@@seancrosby6837 Went back to this video to mention that even the source material that they get their poses from makes a huge difference. Araki gets his from fashion magazines, while this artist even uses adult material for his references, especially women. That alone rings alarm bells for me.
I’m probably going to get hate for saying this, but I absolutely love lands art. I know he gets flack for tracing (particularly *what* he traced), but I still think he’s a genuinely good artist. Growing up in the early 2000’s, his X-men endsong and ultimate fantastic four art was the best. He drew some incredibly creepy zombies in the zombie arc of ultimate F4. I also think his art shined a lot in the horror department with his werewolf by night comic and the marvel zombies stuff. Even his modern stuff and schism era X-men look good. He gets a ton of hate, but he’s still one of my favorite marvel artists.
First, what did this guy try to say? Second, if it's so easy, then please make a video of you doing this and submitting your work to Marvel... I'll wait
The saddest part about this is that Greg Land is fully capable of drawing without tracing, he just chooses not to because he's lazy.
Also, the Iron Man drawing you showed at the beginning isn't by Greg Land. Everyone makes this mistake though, so I won't hold it against you. The actual artist for that drawing is Salvador Larroca (I apologise for spelling his name wrong. I'm as lazy as Greg Land so I can't be bothered to check the correct spelling lol).
oh shit you're right mb
@Mediocrespeciality no worries, like I said everyone thinks it's by Greg Land. TBH Greg will probably get around to tracing that picture one day given his track record lol.
Honestly, to actually pull off tracing you need to be a good artist already. Anyone can trace but it's very obvious when none/bad artists do it
There's a known saying "Give the hardest job to the laziest man and he'll find an easy way to do it"
His job is not to make special edition books to be sold at a premium, it's to make comic books on schedule for cheap. Besides, just to maintain a large enough library of of photos and other comics to be able to use for comics is a skill in of itself.
I wouldn't ask for his autograph. I'd ask him to trace the signatures of the artists he used
I think the biggest thing with why Greg’s art looks weird is because he traces so many real people, it lands the characters directly in the uncanny valley, his poses are almost always still life from photos or other art which makes them look still and out of place. Other comic artists will still use reference but they adapt their art towards the narrative like; Your writer wants a shot of Batman swooping down from a rooftop, so you get your Batman references, work out composition, try a variety of poses and angles, settle on a good one and go from there. Greg doesn’t do that, he grabs a pre existing pose and at most, very slightly tweaks it and slaps it in a scene. It’s like someone making a comic book out of stock photos basically.
Someone else brought up it in the comments and the video mentions it but it bears repeating, Greg can 100% draw normally, he’s actually fairly talented and some of his work shows this, tracing is easier and that’s why he does it. The reason it rubs people the wrong way is because it kinda of spits in the face of other artists efforts and time invested, they spend all their time practicing and putting in the effort to improve and Greg just steals their work, getting paid the same or more than them depending on the project and company. Plus, like you said, he gets hired because he’s fast and consistent, at a quick glance you could say his work looks appealing, it’s only after you see it a few times you realise the weirdness with it.
Alex Ross is doing the same thing as Norman Rockwell did- Photographing his own references. If Land had half the sense he would have hired a girl and took a few thousand photos to work from.
Norman Rockwell stole his style from JC Leyendecker. Rockwell was a huge fan of his. He's a weasel that befriended Leyendecker then stabbed him in the back by stealing away his job of doing Saturday Evening Post covers.
As for what Leyender is known for besides the SEP covers, he created Baby New Year and designed the modern look for Santa Claus.
@vonVile they didn't even have the same style. What are you talking about.
@@Pigeonsandoranges I have an art book on Leyendecker that covers everything he did and it talks about what I posted. It's not about art style. It's about stealing the concept and design he created. Rockwell is known for his Saturday Evening Post covers. Leyendecker was doing them for over a decade before Rockwell, but nobody associates him with it.
Artists copying isn't just about tracing photos like Land, it's also about copying an artist's identity. If somebody today made a SEP style drawing people would be saying he was copying Rockwell, not the originator Leyendecker.
@vonVile besides the fact that most post people pass around of leyendecker are his sep. What your saying makes it sound like anyone artist who painted for sep stole leydendeckers identify
@vonVile Yeah? And Rockwell is known for making distinctly polarizing political message art. Leyendecker is more well known for his SEP and commercial art. Not only are their styles entirely different and they rose to prominence at different times in history and different periods of art, but they aren’t even largely known for the same type of art.
I wanna be Tracer
Greg Land - I'm already Tracer
I think he kind of a big troll. One day he thought, "I bet I can draw a girl sucking a big pee-pee and get it published." and he is trying to see how long he can get away with it. It doesn't matter if people notice and call it out, just that Marvel/DC sign off and put it on the shelves.
Ive cobbled together references out of various stock photos and images and my own photos. Its a very different endevour than just tracing. Mainly because you have to actually think about what youre doing
I can´t tell if you´re defending him or not
@r.a.fgattaiguy845 Oh no Im talking about Alex Ross' method. The reference part is key here. Because reference is not the same as tracing.
Reference is a core and important part of art, a visual library that you can look at while drawing. Especially useful if youre like me and have full aphantasia.
Tracing is just lazy and results in bad work that doesnt make sense or even look good because there is no effort or time put in to understand the image. Especially the way Greg Land does it.
There is a way to use tracing to learn, but its very very different to Greg Land. It focuses on the shape and not the details. Its how I improved my poses because it helped me to focus on the shape and the feel as apposed to the fine details that I got stuck on and thus ended up with a mess.
greg land is just sad as an artist tbh
Ya know, tracing royalty free images? Meh, anatomy be hard. Tracing over your own art again and again? Okay sure, deadlines be damned and why not save some time. Tracing CORN???? Yeah... That's a no from me dog.
I think one reason he traced from CORN is so people can't found the source/ not notice they're plagiarized.
I will never be a good tracer like Greg Land
Practice practice.
You know what, thanks for pointing me to Alex Ross. I was feeling very insecure over having the same technique, using self-made references in drawing.
Good to know that I can still make it if I'm being original with it.
It is very common for artists with classic or traditional training to use photos as reference. Even someone like Alphonse Mucha (the art noveau guy) had models posing for him and taking their picture, like how Alex Ross does.
What isn't ok is to downright trace.
People like Greg Land makes my goal of becoming a comic artist seem much more achievable
Greg Land is like Robert Crumb. Not in skill, but in the fact they never stop gooing in their work.
To trace 🌽 is crazy, kids be reading these comics dude. The goon grind never stops for him ig.
I don’t know about Neutral Evil. Chaotic makes more sense when it comes to the specific source material.
Gave Iron Man a mouth, nose, wrinkles through his suit and just thought it was good enough. Can't believe editors didn't get him just straight canned after that. How was that shit approved?
IRON man bro, how did they let him run with that shit????
No artist...artist impostor.
Sad thing is that he can be a good artist when not tracing.
I spent years learning how to draw. I even got a degree in Illustrations. I wish I knew all I needed to do is trace other pics to make it, and I wouldn't have wasted my time.
Oh child…… even old master painters did tracing…..
@@alejandromolinac*referencing, old painters didn't have photos to trace from
@@alejandromolinacyou put paper on the face and trace the original sketch??
You can’t trace the real life
no they traced their own drawings. still tracing but art back then was a recreational thing.
He would be embarrassed if he showed up at a convention and met fans asking for sketches.
I've seen him draw at many local comic shops, he lives close to my LCS and comes in a lot for FCBD or just signings. He does sketches all day long. He also signs for free, which I can't say for many of the signers nowadays.
I definitely hate his tracing bullshit but AT LEAST HE DRAWS IT! I’m shocked he hasn’t utilized AI for his bullshit
Does Greg know about A.i? He could make Marvel really happy with the speed the slop A.i can make
1:56 i love alex ross Arts
thank you for showing how he did it
i think why Land keeps getting work besides a high turnover rate, is because comics at the big two is a bit of a good ol' boys club. people who wouldnt get hired elsewhere get jobs at marvel/dc because they have friends or connections in the upper levels at those companies.
also, i wonder if land can even draw still without resorting to tracing everything? probably can't because he's so used to it.
I really loved his work on BOP 1999 and was extremely surprised to find out that the Greg Land that drew that series is the same Greg Land as this one 😂
I inked Greg on Birds of Prey and Nightwing, where he did a great job. THEN when we went to Crossgen, I saw him swipe pretty much all the time. I quit after a year at Sojourn because I hated re-inking the same re-used faces and figures! He cuts out photocopies, tapes them together and lightboxes them. In all fairness, I don't believe he used porn, ever. Those two images are used on all the UA-cam pictures but were probably movie stills. He has a wife and daughter and, much as I didn't like working with him, I know he doesn't use porn.
What on earth makes you think someone with a wife and daughter can't watch porn?
Thank you for sharing but I still do believe he had used pronographic references.
Nah he absolutely traces porn, saying he has a wife and daughter doesnt make him incapable of looking at (and tracing) porn lmao
Because people famously stop watching porn when they're married and have children?
What about the suspiciously phallic shaped things?
If Greg Land didn't have a job to which he had to meet deadlines a normal artist wouldn't meet up with, would he still be tracing art to this day?
Not related to the vid but i found this in my fyp and you just happen to cover my two biggest special interests rn and I had to sub, this vid has really good paced editing and i hope this channel grows big !
I think his work is popular because the comic nerds subconsciously know they’re looking at porn stars. Heck, most teenage boys are attracted to comics and porn, no surprise there.
The problem is the industry that paid him for theft anyways
At least it's not generative AI...
That's a joke! This is just as bad.
That would be truly mediocre tbh. But I have standards.
Ai would be better, because its not blatent copies of others work
@@devlintaylor9520 instead of stealing 1, ai would steal from multiple sources.
Ai is worse, it's a principle. At least he's a hired artist, the endgame for ai art is that companies never have to hire any artist ever again
They're both bad in different ways. Ai steals more people's work but tracing is a direct, usually harder to spot copy of one, maybe two people's work. Copying is bad, here the person to blame is an artist, but with ai it's a big company that makes ais. in both cases they care so little about art that they think copying it won't matter
He would be a great commercial storyboard artist
1:22 frankly I'd rather he draw them older than what they are, given his... source materials of choice
The sad thing is,as much effort he puts into tracing and swiping other artists poses,is about the same amount for actually just drawing the stuff your self. LOL. And he's built an entire career around tracing and swiping,plus,companies continue to hire him. I guess he's doing something right and selling lots of comics he's drawing.
It's called meeting the deadline.
I can't imagine how much work it was to just have this catalogue of poses to trace from and then going "aha, this is exactly what I need". That amount of work and effort could've been funneled into just drawing those poses and improving them
@@parsleyisthiccScores of artists meet their deadlines by drawing their entire books from their own art skills ( this is probably why some comic artists go to art school ) pride in their craft/art-skills won't let them skimp ( some do swipe poses tho,some ) but,the prideful artists skimp. Like the late-GREAT-George Perez-RIP: Mr Perez. You set a very high standard with your art skills,no tracing or swiping poses.
I may suck at drawing, but at least I can draw something original
Tracing from zorn is WILD. When you're a gooner but still need to get the paycheck.
He might be a lazy tracer, but at least he's on time and is capable of drawing human anatomy, which is more than can be said of Rob Liefeld.
Nah, I would say Rob has improved tremendously and comparing his current works to Greg is a day and night difference.
0:55 isn't that Salvador Larroca
I was really confused when people started ranting about this because there had been a Wizards article where he detailed everything. I can see the inconsistent faces would be aggravating though.
Worth noting that tracing and assembled art (another subject of ranting, especially around CAD) were pretty core parts of cartooning, being essentially what a light box is for.
I’m not exactly bothered by shortcuts when the page rates are what they are, Greg just got a little _too_ lazy…
BRAVO!!!!!!! Well done and a very tight edit too!
I hate they put him on books i want to read. He has been on basically every peter david book recently, frustrated me so much
Well....I wasted my time learning consistency and all those drawing techniques for comics. All I needed to be hired at Marvel was tracing and zero shame, like Mister Land here...
I got my portfolio rejected twice by Marvel, and Greg land makes a living out of comics by tracing porn and stealing art from others...
And then people ask why manga hits ells comics so hard.
The only reason Greg Land's Birds Of Prey covers look good is because real artist Brian Stelfreeze inked and colored them.
She’s straight up…
Great video, mate.
Alright what's step 2
This guy was doing AI art before AI is a thing
I mean, if you’re practicing a certain art style or want to draw something for yourself, it’s okay to trace. However, for official comic books, tracing is ridiculous. The time it would take for him to trace other people’s work could be used to actually create his own lol
I clicked on this for legitimate comic drawing tips. Oh well...
Dope!
Hilarious and 100% accurate. Great job!!
Yeah, I hate that he traces, but the fact that it’s corn gives me a little bit of respect for him. Looks terrible, but is f*cking hilarious.
Tracing and reusing art is fine, and if you’re open about it and giving the originals credit, can do his job on time AND do it well. By all means he is an artist.
just stay away from the 🌽.
one important part about being a artist is creating something and this is hard to do when you are copying something already done
like you can literally see how this hurts the comic with inconsistent characters and out of place motion
He is an artist! A pretty bad one
Yeah he real "enjoys" his job. Do you think hes allowed to watch prn on the job under the guise of "research"
1:00 that's not Sue Storm, it's Arcanna from Squadron Supreme (sorry for being kinda 🤓)
The GregVers or The TracingVers. Just came to say this
Greg was actually a pretty good artist back in the day when he used to draw his stuff himself. And I could be wrong on this part, and if I’m way off or mistaken then that’s my bad for this y’all. But again if I’m mistaken, I heard from somewhere that Greg actually started tracing in the first place to keep up with the demands and deadlines for the comics he was working on. You touched on that a little bit earlier in your video. But idk if you said or not that having to have panels done in a short amount time from the very beginning of his tracing was the reason he started tracing. And now he just does it because it’s way faster and pretty much a guarantee (depending on what he copies lol). But I heard that Marvel loves to have him around because he’s usually finished before the deadline lol. So tracing or not he gets the job done faster than a lot of other artists in comics. And what was the saying “If you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying” but in Greg’s case it’s “If you ain’t tracing you ain’t trying”!!! 🤣😂😂
At this point, Greg Land's art, like Liefeld's, is just funny.
Don’t think you can compare Liefeld and Land🤦♂️
Liefield at least improved. That's the funny thing they basically sorta started in similar situations but it's obvious one of them cares more about it than the other. They sorta had inverse arcs
This mf really made 3 different comics with the same covers and nobody said anything. This gives me hopes that I could make a comic, because nobody in the comic industry gives a fuck
*the **_#ORANGEshirt_** still looks like he's in a **_#PRISONcafeteria_**_._*
Is that a Greg Land meta joke that you traced this video on the Comic Tropes one, just with less talent and details?
People will chastise Greg Land for tracing and then clap when Todd Macfarlane does yet another “homage” to ASM #300 or TMSM #1
Greg land used to be a good artist. He had a good run on Supergirl at DC. Maybe he lost his gift.
"How does Greg Land Kee getting work?"
He meets his deadlines on time 🤷🏽♂️
Here we go with another person thinking that artists own poses 🙄🙄
you're defending a tracer
You are extremely confused about what the issue here is my friend
I wonder what will happen when people realize that universally lauded artists like Wally Wood, Neal Adams & Drew Struzan not lnly traced (to some extent) but also advocated it as well. 😮
I remember that Francesco Mattina also had plenty of cases of tracing art, even AI use accusations by other artists or Joelle Jones that do pretty much the same as Greg but is really never talked about. I guess it became a cool meme.
tell me you know nothing about comics and deadlines without telling me you know nothing about comics and deadlines. LOL wtf was that scribble of a knight on your X profile?
i like the out of place porn poses, it adds character or charm in a way. it's kinda weird and silly, but harmless, and could quite easily go unnoticed unless someone pointed it out. or if you were into both comics and porn, which i suppose there is a fair bit of overlap.
He’s literally showing women in sexual positions with sexual reactions when they’re supposed to be in pain. That’s not harmless.
Oh my god 🤣🤣🤣 When I was young, I used to draw a lot, but this is literally how I learned how to draw, by tracing pre-existing pictures and drawings of comic characters, and then when I got the hang of it, I went on to make my own original characters. I stopped because I thought that this was an illegitimate way to draw, or that it was cheating or plagiarism, so to hear that not only is this something people do al the time, but that Mr Greg here made a whole career out of it, so it just makes me feel validated and inspired to get back into art!!!!!
Rock on, Greg Land!!!!
This isn’t something people do all the time, it’s why people don’t like Greg Land. Tracing to learn isn’t the problem and can be a valid way to study but Greg just steals from other people.
Traced corn and plagiarism.. just wow
Yeah, Greg Land is a fantastic artist who sells comics because the customers like his art. You can disagree with his methods but much like Rob Liefeld, the money don't lie.
It's just a product without much artistic expression, not actual art. And precisely because of that it's silly to bash the guy for tracing stuff, why would anyone not cut corners when working on random DC slop?
this kind of gooner bait appeals to the lowest common denominator. The entire point of it, and the reason why it's looked down upon, is that it's an easy way to get lots of money ; saying "the money doesn't lie" makes no sense when you're talking about something that's disliked specifically *because* it's a low effort way to earn capital.
That's like saying content farms are respectable because they get lots of views and ad revenue.
I'm not defending this guy's "art" or even insulting this other artist I'm going to mention, but why is it that Araki, the author of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, can get away with tracing poses from fashion magazines? To the point where Araki actually has drawn stuff for some of those fashion brands.
Now, I love Araki, and at least he doesn't trace the same stuff over and over again, but that seems weird to me.
Again, no shade at Araki though, he's a million times better than this guy lmao
To be fair at least with Araki, he doesn't trace every single thing when it comes to his works.
Araki makes those poses work in context ngl.
Like it adds to the strangeness and drama of the Jojo franchise.
hunter x hunter author too
because Araki has his own artstyle and very rarely does it, meanwhile doodoo boy can´t draw a woman without putting the paper over one of his 12 active tabs
@@seancrosby6837 Went back to this video to mention that even the source material that they get their poses from makes a huge difference. Araki gets his from fashion magazines, while this artist even uses adult material for his references, especially women. That alone rings alarm bells for me.
that's kind of awesome. work smarter, not harder. the tracing porn and reusing images/poses bit, not the copying other artists
Not to mention EVERY artist copies stuff. Kirby reused poses all the time. Nobody cares.
Is drawing from a real life subject or from a photograph the same as tracing what about people who use clipart into comics is that tracing too?
I’m probably going to get hate for saying this, but I absolutely love lands art. I know he gets flack for tracing (particularly *what* he traced), but I still think he’s a genuinely good artist. Growing up in the early 2000’s, his X-men endsong and ultimate fantastic four art was the best. He drew some incredibly creepy zombies in the zombie arc of ultimate F4. I also think his art shined a lot in the horror department with his werewolf by night comic and the marvel zombies stuff. Even his modern stuff and schism era X-men look good. He gets a ton of hate, but he’s still one of my favorite marvel artists.
Greg's most egregious sin is that his women have no a$$.
Weirdo gooner 🤢
Lenses have been used for tracing for a very long time. People just use what they can and often choose things that save time. Get over it.
First, what did this guy try to say?
Second, if it's so easy, then please make a video of you doing this and submitting your work to Marvel... I'll wait