What comes first? How can you breakdown a product that has not been designed yet? For example, you must design the bedroom interior, but that only happens during the execution phase. So you cannot list all of the components in that room until you have the design, no? I guess the PBS is supposed to be vague? Or is it a living document?
A Product Breakdown is not an engineering design tool but a project management tool. It is about visualizing the product so we can define the project scope to deliver that product. The PBS is not about architectural or interior design for a house. It is about what we want in a house, how many rooms, bedrooms, bathrooms, pool, garden, etc. Then, later in the project the design of the buildings, interior, exterior, etc. are done
@@urukprojectmanagement Thank you for your responding. Isee, so a PBS is sort of like a skeleton. So as you said would use it do define what it is you would like the project to produce. E.g. Say a a bedroom is at level 1 and then in level two you have things like windows, doors, furniture, etc. However, you do not specify which model, brand or size or how many items per se, you just leave it vague; denoting what it is you would like to be produce, but not the specifics about it, that will be left to the project execution phase?
@@everythingisfake7555 Again, the PBS is not a detailed - design document. For the details you are asking for, you will need the engineering to be complete, and you will generate a bill of materials. Here is another example. let us say we are doing the PBS for a BOOK. The PBS will include the outline (chapters) and maybe sections in each chapter --- that is it. If we put more details than the PBS is the book.
@@urukprojectmanagement thank you again for taking the time to respond. Do you have a model or ruleset that you follow in order to create a PBS? I find it quite confusing as I cannot determine its purpose. If a PBS is to breakdown the final product into its components, when do you know that the detail is too much, and if its too vague, what is it supposed to communicate?
@@everythingisfake7555 1. The PBS is done early in the project, with the requirement stage --- so it looks into the future to break the product into the major pieces 2. It is high-level, not detailed - only major components Example: A Clinic Project Level 1: Indoors --- Outdoors Level 2 (Outdoors) - Parking - Landscape - Driveway - Signs - etc. Level 3 (Parking) - Zone A - Zone B - Zone C Level 2 (Indoors) - Doctors offices - Examinations rooms - reception - waiting area - bathrooms - supply rooms - etc. Level 3 (Exam Rooms) - 2 for outpatient surgeries - 4 regular examination rooms That is it --- we do not do any more details From the PBS - the team can develop the project scope Architects will design the facility Engineers will design the facility Medical people will decide on medical equipment etc.
Thanks a lot for your work this is very valuable to me as I'm trying to organize the quantity of projects I have into biteable size. Much love from Canada
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thank you about your Brilliant brief explanation about the tow major types of breakdown structure PBS & WBS
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What comes first? How can you breakdown a product that has not been designed yet? For example, you must design the bedroom interior, but that only happens during the execution phase. So you cannot list all of the components in that room until you have the design, no? I guess the PBS is supposed to be vague? Or is it a living document?
A Product Breakdown is not an engineering design tool but a project management tool. It is about visualizing the product so we can define the project scope to deliver that product.
The PBS is not about architectural or interior design for a house. It is about what we want in a house, how many rooms, bedrooms, bathrooms, pool, garden, etc. Then, later in the project the design of the buildings, interior, exterior, etc. are done
@@urukprojectmanagement Thank you for your responding. Isee, so a PBS is sort of like a skeleton. So as you said would use it do define what it is you would like the project to produce. E.g. Say a a bedroom is at level 1 and then in level two you have things like windows, doors, furniture, etc. However, you do not specify which model, brand or size or how many items per se, you just leave it vague; denoting what it is you would like to be produce, but not the specifics about it, that will be left to the project execution phase?
@@everythingisfake7555
Again, the PBS is not a detailed - design document. For the details you are asking for, you will need the engineering to be complete, and you will generate a bill of materials.
Here is another example. let us say we are doing the PBS for a BOOK. The PBS will include the outline (chapters) and maybe sections in each chapter --- that is it. If we put more details than the PBS is the book.
@@urukprojectmanagement thank you again for taking the time to respond. Do you have a model or ruleset that you follow in order to create a PBS? I find it quite confusing as I cannot determine its purpose. If a PBS is to breakdown the final product into its components, when do you know that the detail is too much, and if its too vague, what is it supposed to communicate?
@@everythingisfake7555
1. The PBS is done early in the project, with the requirement stage --- so it looks into the future to break the product into the major pieces
2. It is high-level, not detailed - only major components
Example: A Clinic Project
Level 1: Indoors --- Outdoors
Level 2 (Outdoors) - Parking - Landscape - Driveway - Signs - etc.
Level 3 (Parking) - Zone A - Zone B - Zone C
Level 2 (Indoors) - Doctors offices - Examinations rooms - reception - waiting area - bathrooms - supply rooms - etc.
Level 3 (Exam Rooms) - 2 for outpatient surgeries - 4 regular examination rooms
That is it --- we do not do any more details
From the PBS - the team can develop the project scope
Architects will design the facility
Engineers will design the facility
Medical people will decide on medical equipment
etc.
Thanks a lot for your work this is very valuable to me as I'm trying to organize the quantity of projects I have into biteable size. Much love from Canada
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