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Lille simply cannot win because it would be a miracle if gerard wins, which means he'd win because gerard would be severly outmatched at the start. Which is exactly why gerard wins 9/10. A few things wrong,
1) Lille isn't intangible to energy attacks. Hence why shunsuis reiryoku thread cut him.
2) Lilles cutting AP is not greater than bankai Kenpachi and True bankai toshiro hax so he couldn't destroy gerards cross like they couldn't. All the damage gerard takes will just be converted into power, lille does not have this ability, lille only has regeneration when transforming and he only has 2 higher forms. He might be able to destroy the cross with his gun but that assumes he hits him and his cross and that it doesn't get destroyed as the gun is the only time he can uniformly penetrate. In other words its probability based..... who manipulates probability. thats right. Gerard has damage sharing, so if hoffnung is cut by lilles light attack, the same damage will be reflected onto lille and kill him like it did with nanao. The miracle will also just make it so he can cut through lilles intangibility since it manipulates reality. Miracle = Subjective Probability/Reality manipulation > X-axis
If Kubo says Bankai Kenpachi can't cut Gerard's heart, then Lille can't break it with a Sniper rifle. I rank Bankai Kenpachi above Lille's Sniper rounds in destructive power.
"And just because I can, I'm gonna sprinkle a bit of 1940s Nazism just to spice things up a bit 😌 because say what you want about them, but they sure did know how to dress well" - Kubo, probably
@@xeithar9236yeah you’re correct but people still complain too much about the main antagonists and protagonists being near equal in stories (because that’s how stories work). It does definitely get out of hand like yhwach having omniscience and still losing, ichigo fighting the 3 strongest characters throughout the story because the plot required him to, and Gerard having unlimited regeneration and power increases because (reasons)
Honestly, I think the main thing Lille has to watch out for is Gerard’s sword, Hoffnung. True, he does have intangibility but if he can be affected by Shunsui’s shared pain part of his Bankai, I can imagine the same thing happening to him by damaging Hoffnung.
Yeah. It would seem any form of power reflection is Barros weakness. No just Nanaos zanpakuto. Which also makes it clear to me that Haschwalth is a terrible matchup for Barro too
@sasailicc Sure "Miles above when it comes to feats and durability" how many miles would that be? Are we talking about America to Asia miles or Tokyo to Okinawa? 😂
When I saw the line that basically sums up as "Oh no. I'm such a big guy I can't find you tiny people and that's exactly why I'll find you" I burst out laughing thinking that in a fight between Gerard and Lille Gerard would go like: "Oh no. I can't hit you because you're intangible... and that's exactly why I'll hit you!!" or "Oh no. You can pierce my core with your penetrating x-axis... AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHY YOU CAN'T PENETRATE ME!!!" 😂
That's exactly why I think Gerard wins. The fact Lille can't be hit in his holy form I don't see why the miracle wouldn't turn that around into Gerard's favor
@@ChrisIchiban hell, for all we know the miracle will make the shinken hakkyoken somehow intercept Lile's attack because there is a low as fuck chance of that happening
Also, hollow without a doubt. They also could theoretically have been there before aizen and left before he ever had been born. Them using their skills on other Quincy makes sense, but there's gotta be another litmus test. And it could have also been shinigami who found out about the Quincy or ones who were used for intel for perpetration for the war. A prison or Intel unit. Or some sort of execution camp is easy to see for the Quincy, especially considering it's been shown before w the hollow. It wouldn't be hard to believe they've done it before.
Gerard's heart almost sounds like a Hogyoku. Nearly impossible to destroy and just like with Aizen it kept on constantly powering him up over and over. Someone should ask Kubo if Urahara essentially created a sudo Reio heart.
@muchoyurdem5260 Don't see how Ichigo survives being vertically bisected. That's a far more severe injury than he's ever had, his only hope would be that White Zangetsu takes over like in the Ulquiorra fight, but I don't know that even White could take that
@@envan7865 How did Zaraki survive when Ichigo tried to vertically bisect him in the SS arc the first time they fought? How did he survive all the attacks of SOUL KING Yhwach? 1. There is a powersystem in the verse 2. Are you saying Zaraki has higher attack Potency then Yhwach?
How I see it is that the Quincy Cross is a manifestation of the heart of the soul king as well what else would it be? As such can the X-Axis destroy the heart that belongs to effectively the God of the universe
@@5SDcardsIn your dreams. In his strongest form he couldn't even one shot Shunsui 😂. Yall fanboying someone and your only arguments are no limit fallacys and headcanon
@5SDcards bruhh what a nonsense argument. Lille only had time because Oetsu gave him that time 🤦♂️. Gerard was simply the first one to directly attack him lmfao. And Lille got one shot the same as Gerard. Also what does that prove? And what does that have to do with my argument? Nothing you said changes the fact that Lille wasn't able to One shot even Shunsui even in his stronger forms 😂. Funny how you are trying to ignore the fact that i debunked your claim
@@muchoyurdem5260 What does Shunsui have to do with Gerard? If not for Nanao coming to Shunsui, he was implied to have given up and was dying after he was shot in the abdomen by Lille. Gerard being perception blitzed during his swing has nothing to do with him being the first to attack.
Lille is the unstoppable force, Gerard is the immovable object, we cannot tell what happens when the two clashes but it's gonna be one awsome fucking fight
I think something important to think about would be whether or not the miracle can bypass Lilles intangibility. If hitting Lillie is impossible, could the miracle make it possible?
No because the miracles ability isn't to generate actual miracles. It just brings him back and he calls it the miracle. It essentially just makes him immortal as long as he has the cross.
@AlexDrewsuminno your wrong. It actually makes miraclesin Gerard's favor. Remember when it was almost impossible for him to find the shinigami then the miracle made it that he instantly found them.
Since Kubo confirmed that Gerard would die if the cross gets destroyed, I imagine Lille shouldn’t have much of a problem dealing with that since his X-Axis ignores durability and penetrates anything and everything. I believe Lille is the strongest Schutzstaffel in my opinion since he had to be defeated by a specific god slaying sword. He isn’t the leader for nothing.
Yeah there's a reason Lille is the leader of the Schutzstaffel. If he felt that he wasn't adequate or strong enough to lead Yhwach's Royal Guard, Gerard would certainly challenge him for the position, or at least threaten him the same way he threatened Askin due to him having just been promoted to the Schutzsaffel. Being the first to be bestowed by the QUincy King's power really does have it's perks because it would have meant that Lille was given far more power than the other Sternritter. Although Gerard himself never received a new power when he was given his Schrift since it was just something he was given to acknowledge the power he already had
How I see it is that the Quincy Cross is a manifestation of the heart of the soul king as well what else would it be? As such can the X-Axis destroy the heart that belongs to effectively the God of the universe
@@PridamGerard has a strong sense of camaraderie with his fellow Quincy. He threatened to cut down Askin if he "fell behind," but he also immediately accepted Uryū as their newest member when he pretended to shoot Ichigo off the palace. He certainly would never fight Lille for his position just because he's stronger, he is the literal embodiment of undying loyalty to Yhwach.
@@marctm7614 He immediately accepted Uryu AFTER hearing Uryu's declaration of his "loyalty" to Yhwach. I'm just saying, that he would threaten any of the Schutzstaffel if they haven't proven themselves in both loyalty and fighting ability
@AlexDrewsumin I think the point Kubo made is that it is _indestructible_ without godlike hacks. Bankai Kenpachi couldn't even scratch it. Hell, I even doubt mugetsu could so much as leave a mark. The X-axis *might* be one of the very few things that can damage it, but then the problem becomes Lille actually hitting Gerard. (Edit: clarifying of position)
@@TheAnomaly00x-axis not one of the ability that can damage the cross, rather it is one of the abilities that can directly attack the cross. Nothing suggests it can even leave a scratch on it. Kubo never said any character can destroy it, all he said was if something is capable enough to destroy the cross, sure Gerard would die, but also suggests that even bankai zaraki at that time couldn't achieve that (the epitome of pure destruction).
@sladew9788 Here's a much more comprehensive take on the whole X-axis vs. Gerard's heart. Let's say that as Lille and Gerard are getting ready to throw down, Lille gets one free shot that hits. There are at minimum three outcomes. The first, simplest, and most likely outcome is that the x-axis is unable to damage the core, thus making it a moot point. Now, the second outcome is where things get interesting. Assuming the x-axis _can_ pierce Gerard's heart, the question becomes how much of an effect would a mere hole in it would have? Because Kubo's phrasing implies that the entire cross must be destroyed completely in order to kill Gerard. If that is the case, then it is likely that the cross itself would be restored by The Miracle. The third option is that _because_ the x-axis *can* pierce the heart, The Miracle would kick in and make it unable to do so.
@@Force-Multiplier tbh Kenpachi is significantly more powerful then Kyoraku and depending on how much you believe him to be he may unironically neg that hax. But I didn't necessarly mean to match them up against each other (don't want 2 of my 3 favorite chars slaughtering each other).
@@jeremyleonjonas7657 if Lille didn't negged the hax i don't see Zaraki doing it Zaraki was claimed to be unable to break the Core by the Klub Outside reveal Lille is still in contention to that besides Lille has confirmed divinity status from the sword that only cuts gods working on him and Zaraki was paralyzed by Mayuri's Shikai just fine so i doubt Kyoraku's Bankai won't work on him
@@Force-Multiplier if we include CFYOW, Kenpachi is very much shown to be on the low end tier of Ichigo, Hikone or Aizen. Which I just don't see Kyoraku reaching. But even so, there is still the fact that Kenpachi would very easily be able to beat Kyoraku without bankai. He is demonstratively capable of overpowering captain tiers, is extremely adaptive when presented with tricksy abilities and is likely the better swordsman (not by much, I'll admit and Kyoraku obviously would make up for that much in kido). And all thats before accounting his extremely nerfed bankai considering he doesn't even know its name (for reference: we know the impact a fake name has from Renji and Yumichika) and was only using it for the very first time.
@@jeremyleonjonas7657 CFYOW Zaraki is the same as TYBW Zaraki they never said he was stronger and unless we get confirmation of him being stronger in CFYOW (wich there isn't and its just 6 months of peace later so there is no reason for him to be stronger either) then he's just fighting weaker oponents in CFYOW than in TYBW there is no way Hisagi would beat Gerard or Lille or even Pernida but he did beat Hikone hax or no hax he still couldn't do the same to any of the Schutzstaffels Askin will become inmune equalized or not and Hisagi will suffer and suffer even if Askin can't kill Hisagi either eventually Hisagi should pass out from the pain since his Bankai doesn't make him inmune to things or anything Pernida will just keep regenerating and eventually touch and control Hisagi Lille is intangible equalized stats or not but unlike the others he can't kill Hisagi or do anything to him UNLESS *he breaks Hisagi's Zanpakuto* wich rarely gets brought up and Gerard is on a similar boat to Pernida but he can't control Hisagi either however he could steal it and become inmune to Hollow Reiatsu with the Miracle and this is consistent too Hikone was claimed to need Hougyoku to be Transcendent like Aizen proving that Hikone wasn't quite there and his/her (whatever the sex or lack of it lol) biggest power boost came from Nails of Reio Pernida and Gerard are limbs or vital organs of Reio and got the Auswählen boost on top of that and Lille is relative to them just for extra reference Zaraki didn't even go Shikai on Hikone when he tried that with Pernida he got no diffed then he used Bankai on Gerard and Klub outside awnsers to a fan on the matter gave the awnser is basically saying that the core wasn't destroyed by Zaraki's Bankai ... there's plenty of evidence of this and nothing Zaraki does there really puts him above his TYBW feats as for Zaraki being stronger than Kyoraku physically yeah we agree there in the physical sense he is superior but that won't change the unavoidable draw *at best* for Zaraki due to the shared wounds Kyoraku on the other hand can use Bankai and dispel Bankai at will and has the advantages of being able to attack from the Shadows and hide there plus tons of other hax a very slight advantage but still higher odds heck if Kyoraku see's himself unable to win but absolutely wants Zaraki dead all he needs to do is un-alive himself and that's all she wrote
"Im the fastest strongest mightiest of all Quincys" VS "im second only to god" "my arrows can pierce anything" kinda though to know since they both hype themselves up so much
It would take a miracle for Gerard to cut down Lille's intangible, indestructible heavenly body... ...which is why that's exactly what would happen. The hope of the masses would sunder the heavens.
Even if he could cut him because of his miracle Lillie would also come back his miracle gives him more power it doesn’t take it away from others it’s a stalemate unless the X axis can destroy Gerard’s Quincy cross then Lilie wins
@@qmoney9997 Not the case. Lille can be harmed beyond recovery, like he was when his own holy power was turned on him. And there exists no holier power than the Soul King's.
It's not just Aizen and Gerard, Ayon also survived being split in half and even remained combat capable. Not that big of a deal, but something to note when discussing how rarely people survive vertical bisection in Bleach.
Weird, it says I have a reply but I can't see anything. Anyway, Ayon absolutely survived being cut in half and Yamamoto resorted to scorching him with Ryūjinjakka to defeat him.
@@marctm7614I think they meant it didn't really have a soul or existence or whatever. I don't see it as any different than Dangai Joue. Also I think it may have succumbed to its injuries eventually.
I use to believe this was a never ending battle but with kubo confirming Gerard’s weakness then Lille simply erases his core . Leader of the Elites wins
Depends since same as Lille claimed to be able to pierce anything and be second only to god Gerard claimed to be the fastest strongest mightiest of all Quincy
Gerard wins, Lillie can definitely hit the cross but can he pierce it? Gerard is the hearth of the soul king, and Lillie definitely can't penetrate the soul king
@@roywempor8395 No need to add the Soul King to this. Pernida was his hand and it died to a scientific mishap. Obviously the individual parts no longer are on the same level as Soul King himself.
Well only his gun could possibly destroy the quincy cross, he'd have to know where it is and hit gerard, base ouetsu dodged his gun trajectory aswell as shikai shunsui and the gerard and lille are above them. To imply gerard cant dodge and lille would hit the cross and destroy it is clear bias. And if the gun is destroyed then lille has no way of shooting uniformly penetrating bullets and his higher forms use light attacks. He doesn't have the ability, power and stamina to kill gerard unless he gets extremely lucky at the start but the miracle itself manipulates probability and reality subjectively to benefit gerard lille isnt winning. Lille will just serve to damage/kill gerard and amp him continously. Lilles intangibility is only matter based and the miracle itself will allow for gerard to bypass the ability of matter intangibility, since thats what it does. Lille simply cannot win because it would be a miracle if gerard wins, which means he'd win because gerard would be severly outmatched at the start. Which is exactly why gerard wins 9/10.
@@BerryStraw15 I really wish kubo expanded a bit more on Gremmy. He could have easily been promoted to the elites if he trained more. His death was disappointing.
@@gammafrost Gremmy could never be with the Elites because he would literally kill them and put everyone in danger. There is a reason Yhwach kept him locked up. But yes, Kubo dropped the ball real hard with Gremmy's character.
How I see it is that the Quincy Cross is a manifestation of the heart of the soul king as well what else would it be? As such can the X-Axis destroy the heart that belongs to effectively the God of the universe
No way he can actually hit Gerard, gerard is way faster than lillie. Thats something not taken into consideration here, their massive gap in physical stats
@@jocoolshowleave that… lille got a free sneak attack on kyoraku and pierced through his heart. This is when kyoraku thought lille is defeated, deactivates his bankai and has let down his guard and closes his eye to rest. And that was still incapable of killing of a tired "no-guard up" kyoraku. So, even if lille is capable of hitting the cross heart of gerard, the capability to destroy the cross is absolutely baseless and very questionable.
1) Lille isn't intangible to energy attacks. Hence why shunsuis reiryoku thread cut him.
2) Lilles cutting AP is not greater than bankai Kenpachi and True bankai toshiro hax so he couldn't destroy gerards cross like they couldn't.
All the damage gerard takes will just be converted into power, lille does not have this ability, lille only has regeneration when transforming and he only has 2 higher forms. He might be able to destroy the cross with his gun but that assumes he hits him and his cross and that it doesn't get destroyed as the gun is the only time he can uniformly penetrate.
Gerard has damage sharing, so if hoffnung is cut by lilles light attack, the same damage will be reflected onto lille and kill him like it did with nanao.
The miracle will just make it so he can cut through lilles intangibility also since it manipulates reality.
Miracle = Subjective Probability/Reality manipulation > X-axis (Matter intan, Light attacks) it would be a miracle if gerard wins, which means he'd win because gerard would be severly outmatched at the start. Which is exactly why gerard wins 9/10.
Nanao's attack doesn't share damage, it specifically diffuses holy power. We saw how useful sharing damage was against Lille, all it did was make him power up and start throwing around all-erasing nukes.
@@HOLDENPOPE Wrong, i never said nanaos attack shares damage, i said gerards sword will share the damage taken from lilles attack if damaged. Also nanaos sword doesnt diffuse holy power, ch 653 lille states "it reflects the ability of the god its facing" Sharing damage is not the same for everyone, did you not understand? Damage sharing is relative to the damage taken, so the damage dealt by lille onto the sword will be equally shared on lille. in other words, the god power of lilles attack will share onto him.
Who's gonna tell blud that shunsuis banking rewrites reality to be a act. The only way Gerard would win is if he could rewrite reality if you believe that.
@@gameguardianhacker5151 🤣 no it doesn’t, the acts are instances during the bankai. They are just phases where his abilities take place. It’s never once even implied to rewrite reality let alone stated or shown.
Personally, I think the Miracle's probability/reality manipulation would actually seal the deal in favor of Gerard. I think it's also worth pointing out that as a piece of God/the Soul King, Gerard might have a way to bypass Lille's intangibility.
I really like your take on vs battles. I wouldn’t mind getting these every once in awhile. Maybe revisiting Ichigo vs Aizen once the anime adaptation is over. Or maybe something a little more broad like the Zero division vs the Gotei 13 (Not sure what era) even Byakuya vs Kenpachi I think can be an interesting topic if it’s during the Hueco Mundo arc or soul society arc
I'd actually be interested seeing you look at Askin vs the other schutzstaffel, could his deathdealing turn Gerald's ability against itself? Lille seems to be somewhat vulnerable to the plague step of Shunsuie's bankai, so he too seems potentially vulnerable to the deathdealing
If a Bankai Kenpachi can't damage the cross, doubt Lille could. And Gerard managing to hit Lille would be a miracle, which....he gets to do all the time.
I used to be team Gerard until the info drop about his cross. Without that weakness I think he wins in a battle of attrition. Because of that however I think Lille is able to pack him up pretty easily.
How I see it is that the Quincy Cross is a manifestation of the heart of the soul king as well what else would it be? As such can the X-Axis destroy the heart that belongs to effectively the God of the universe
Gremmy could kill Lille and Gerard with ease by opening his space trap in Living World's space. Every Quincy's power comes from absorbing reishi(ch.49 pg.3). Reishi is the source of all Quincy abilities(ch.547 pg.11). Living World is composed of kishi(ch.70 pg.8). That means Gremmy can not only take away all offensive abilities but defensive as well and leave his opponents to the hostile environment of outer space. Not an insta kill but an extremely painful one. That's why all the Sternritters feared him and never bared their fangs at him(ch.575 pg.14 and CFYOW vol.2 ch.15 pg.216).
I think that would fail for the same reason it failed against Kenpachi, they're just fast enough to escape. Gerard is physically stronger than Kenpachi, who's strength Gremmy could even fathom and given that Gremmy is just a brain, the X-Axis just shoots there and kills him, no?
@@envan7865 Uh...it didn't fail against Zaraki. It severely injured him and he managed to cut his way out. Gerard is not physically stronger than Zaraki and Gremmy imagined the"totality"of his power but couldn't imagine a body to contain that power. All Sternritters get their power from external reishi, if there is no reishi they can't use their schrifts or any defensive arts. Gremmy has also been shown to use intangibility like Lille. So no.
My question is how the Miracle might interact with the condition that Gerard would have to land a critical blow on Lille, but not activate his second eye/not give him three fatal blows avoided? Would that make it more likely for the Miracle to kick in? I think it would, even if Lille's own conditions for activating Ziliel would complicate things.
37:18 I agree with Lille winning, but doesn't the fact Gerald will never have a weapon capable of killing Lille mean that he'll develop a weapon capable of killing Lille if The Miracle can activate?
I think it’s clear that Lille’s eye requires knowledge the attack is lethal; I think that was probably what he was referring to when he said he didn’t get a chance to defend against Oetsu, since that would have killed him barring Aushwalen
Lille’s X-axis goes through Gerard, destroying that cross of light within him that brings him back to life that Kubo revealed after the manga was over.
It would be cool if in the anime they show more about Gerald’s cross. Like if after he is shattered it shows the cross on the ground shaking and starting to draw reishi towards itself in an attempt to rebuild Gerard’s body… and Kenpachi stamps it out, shattering it to dust and scattering any remaining reishi. I know that doesn’t work with the canon material’s timeline, because Gerald actually meets his end by Auschwalen, and Kenpachi brings himself down by using too much of his Bankai power before the end of the fight, but I can dream can’t I?
Here's the issue, I still think Gerard wins. Gerard's cross only forms if Gerard gets destroyed to a degree that the cross needs to even appear. And there's no proof that Lille can destroy the cross considering the fact that the heart of the soul king might only be able to get destroyed by the soul king himself. Also, I think Gerard would be able to touch Lille even if Lille is intangible. People forget, the more impossible it is for Gerard, the more likely he'd be able to do it thanks to the miracle. It'd take a miracle to damage Lille Barro? Well, Gerard makes the impossible possible.
@@5SDcardsThere are multiple reasons why he clearly isnt able lmao. Literally the other way around there is no reason why he could other than no limit fallacys and headcanon
@@5SDcards there is lol. Zaraki's Shikai can casually cut through space meaning it can ignore durability and ignore the laws of physics binding physical matter together. His Bankai has 5-10 times that power and can't cut the cross. Even after Gerard was frozen by Toshiro who could freeze even concepts and broken to pieces, his cross still wasn't affected. You cannot be certain that Lille Barro can destroy the cross as well. Kubo didn't say he could either. Kubo said "the cross is his weakness, if there's a way to destroy the cross"
@@NEONlights-lb8um Kenpachi can only chip Hoffnung with shikai. Toshiro doesn’t “freeze concepts” he just makes the matter he freezes lose its function which has no effect on Gerard as he can still muscle through his ice. Kubo is only talking about Kenpachi had he been able to destroy the cross not everyone.
If Gremmy had any interest in physics, he would instantly win every fight. Gremmy: So you say there is 0.1g of anitmatter behind your ear? Opponent: What? Gremmy: What? BOOOOOM ! Gremmy: The gravity at your location is as strong as it is on the surface of a neutron star. Opponent: Proceeds to transform into a 1nm thick layer of plasma. Gremmy: Oopsie. Gremmy: Get hit by a relativistic projectile at 99.9% c Opponent: Gets atomized. Literally.
Almost everyone in bleach is MFTL and made of something that antimatter wouldn't affect. This is one of the Holy Shonen Trinity, like Naruto and One Piece, IRL physics seldom applies to them.
You point out that it's unlikely for Lille to end up hitting Gerald's sword, but then if it's something that could turn the tide in battle, the less likely it is to happen the more the miracle will kick in to make it happen
My take on this topic is, if we're looking at Overall Stats, Gerard is probably stronger than Lille Barro, cause he takes on some of the strongest captains in the series all at once, and while it's arguable how strong they are individually, as a group that should be a bigger challenge than facing Kyoraku and Nanao. But if we're looking at this as a Vs Matchup, I feel Lille has more win cons than Gerard does, cause unless the Miracle gives him the ability to do damage to Lille, who can literally become untouchable. Lille has a far better range advantage, and since Kubo revealed that the way to defeat Gerard is by destroying his core, if Lille finds it, he might just oneshot it, at least in his Powered up Cherub Form.
"He's rushing me. If only I could retreat straight backwards and use a linear, infinite ranged weapon that goes through defenses. 🙄 It's almost like Quincy are ranged fighters and I'm the ultimate example of that."
Well see in part 3 that's probably the last shot for Hashwalth and Ishida to show their worth unless they go all out on part 4 and we see Hashwalth's Volstandig
this seems like a good debate until you realize that kubo said that all u have to do is break his cross, that same cross was shown when kenny cut him in half, kubo also said it just floats around i think but this is also against liile, who js has to make a giant beam and it PIERCES EVERYTHING
This is what it would be like for 2 kids playing imaginary fights, who just keep making up skills as they go along to one up each other. That being said, Lille Barro wins..... Probably
Im putting my bet on the "Heart of the SK". I totally forgot about the reflective Hoffnug Sword, but again I believe in the miracle kicking in when Gerald starts missing his attacks on Lille intangible form. Apart from not having a garanteed confirmation that the X Axis can "reach" SK' heart.
Tough one but im going with lilie & here’s why. The miracle may appear to be absolute but there is one exception ywach’s ability to recall his power. IF the miracle was TRULY absolute ywach would not be able reclaim his power “the miracle” from gerrod, This tells me 2 things 1. Ywach’s power over his sternriter and their given Shrifts is absolute. 2. If ywach bestowed lilie with the ability to pierce through anything. & ywach’s power over his shrifts is absolute, then lilie would absolutely peirce gerrods core & kill him. Essentially a miracle won’t occur because Ywach bestowed lilie with the power to kill a miracle or “The”miracle whichever. Just my initial thoughts though.
I was talking to someone on reddit about Lille and they mentioned that in a way Haschwalth would've been better off having Lille's final form. I sort of agree and disagree but i really do see the premise behind that
Personally, one VS battle (well, set of VS battles) I'd like to see is: Aizen, Gin, Tosen, Starrk, Barragan and Harribel vs Squad Zero. In particular, Aizen vs Ichibe, maybe Gin vs Senjumaru. For that matter, I am also really interested to see the fights that would occur if the Wandenreich had invaded Hueco Mundo while Aizen and the Espada were still at full strength. Some fight ideas, I think, could be: Aaroniero vs BG9, Szayel-Apporo vs Askin Nakk Le Varr, maybe Zommari vs Pepe (though that would be more of a silly match that would need extra participants to be viable, given they both can control people, one through his Resurrection, one through his Schrift). Maybe the female Sternritters could fight against Harribel's Fraccion? With the second scenario of the Wandenreich invading Hueco Mundo at the peak of Aizen's power, I'm also imagining an endless skirmish between the Soldaat and the Exequias.
I feel like lille would win just due to Gerard needing to kinda "rank up" his power in increments. Also knowing more about him, Lille could just snipe Gerard's quincy cross core as soon as it showed up and be done with it.
I'd say Lillie simply because we saw more of his skillset. With Gerald the only things we saw were his giant ability and hoffnung which wouldn't work on lillie anyway since he's made intangible by his schrit
So, before watching the video: My take is that Lille is initially more powerful than Gerard and has the potential to win outright so long as he is able to recognize and capitalize on Gerard's cross weakness. However, if it becomes a drawn-out fight, Gerard absolutely stomps by essentially Miarcle'ing his way past everything Lille is capable of.
How can the miracle pass liles' durability and intangibility? They literally had to create a God slaying sword that reflects the power of the user back to itself in order to defeat him, and he didn't even die.
@@desantinotafrancesco2639 Because the literal ability of the Miracle makes it possible. Oh, sure, Lille has intangibility that makes it impossible for Gerard to hit him... but, that impossibility is exactly what would trigger the Miracle to allow Gerard to be able to strike Lille.
@@lo4tr that only happens in the unlikely case that lille doesn't just put a hole through that chain in his heart, I doubt Gerard would last long against the kind of attacks that lille can dish out, but it's debatable of course.
Gerard is literally the soul king's heart, not to mention his sword could reflect damage with equal or greater force. He could easily destroy Lillie Halo, making him no longer intangible. Also, it took juha himself to stop him while Lillie couldn't stop nanao shunsui and Kira of all people.
I mean given the number of overpowered captains Gérard was fighting vs the number Lille was fighting, I will say Gerard is the more powerful, even though he has a known weakness. So Gerard can pack a bigger punch, but also has a direct way to be killed
please gremmy was getting walked by Zaraki and was using his imagination to it's fullest to try to beat him while Gerard was pressureing and beat this same Zaraki
You make some good points. However. Gerard power being the miracle. His own shrift will grant a way. Through sword damage or some other way. They are both broken in terms of both power and abilities. Its close cause if he hits Gerard's core, Is Lille powerful enough to destroy it? If you say yes, that means Lille's attack is greater than Kenpachi's Bankai. Plus freezing and destroying Gerard entire body didn't finish him. I don't think Lille could do worse to Gerard, that he couldn't come back. I would give the edge to the soul kings heart being greater. it's closer to and maybe great as the Hōgyoku. Cause the soul kings heart grants miracles to Gerard. I can see the Lille argument but just think Gerard has more divinity. I maybe way off. but loved the video good work Tom
Considering that Lillie's X-Axis can hit whenever he wants it to without anything able to stop it save for a broken ability, Gerard would die once the cross is destroyed and Lillie can do that without any problem. Plus Lillie is already my favourite while Gurard is just a big meat shield like Yammy before him.
How I see it is that the Quincy Cross is a manifestation of the heart of the soul king as well what else would it be? As such can the X-Axis destroy the heart that belongs to effectively the God of the universe
Let s also remember, ychwalt gave them the power of all sternritters who were alive* I think this fidht would be a draw... with half the planet destroyed
If Kubo says Bankai Kenpachi can't cut Gerard's heart, then Lille can't break it with a Sniper rifle. I rank Bankai Kenpachi above Lille's Sniper rounds in destructive power.
penetrate anything between his weapon and his target, ignoring obstacles and durability Basically it isn’t a tangible bullet, he is simply ERASING whatever area he targets. The Cross is a tangible object that HOLDS The Miracle’s ability. Bankai Kenpachi can’t cut it because it is virtually unbreakable by conventional physical means. But here’s the key to all this and why Lille CAN break the Cross. The X-Axis simply completely ignores defense which means if Lille has the Cross in his sight, it is effectively deleted from existence. No questions asked. Until Kubo says that isn’t possible and that the Miracle has a defense for this, Lille wins easily.
So Lillie can't win because you like Kenpanchi and scale him >>>😂. Lillie's power doesn't rely on Attack Power like Kenpanchis so you're analysis is moot.
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Who do you guys think would win - Lille or Gerard? It's a titanic battle of the archangels! Let me know in the comments!
Lille simply cannot win because it would be a miracle if gerard wins, which means he'd win because gerard would be severly outmatched at the start. Which is exactly why gerard wins 9/10.
A few things wrong,
1) Lille isn't intangible to energy attacks. Hence why shunsuis reiryoku thread cut him.
2) Lilles cutting AP is not greater than bankai Kenpachi and True bankai toshiro hax so he couldn't destroy gerards cross like they couldn't.
All the damage gerard takes will just be converted into power, lille does not have this ability, lille only has regeneration when transforming and he only has 2 higher forms. He might be able to destroy the cross with his gun but that assumes he hits him and his cross and that it doesn't get destroyed as the gun is the only time he can uniformly penetrate. In other words its probability based..... who manipulates probability. thats right.
Gerard has damage sharing, so if hoffnung is cut by lilles light attack, the same damage will be reflected onto lille and kill him like it did with nanao.
The miracle will also just make it so he can cut through lilles intangibility since it manipulates reality.
Miracle = Subjective Probability/Reality manipulation > X-axis
MrTommo I don’t think you should touch this subject, you aren’t a powerscaler.
If Kubo says Bankai Kenpachi can't cut Gerard's heart, then Lille can't break it with a Sniper rifle. I rank Bankai Kenpachi above Lille's Sniper rounds in destructive power.
@@TheBigExclusiveexactly even bankai kenpachi cut Gerard clean in the middle but the cross still intact no scratch
I agree @@MrDeclareWar
With the Schutzstaffel, Kubo thought, " What if plot armor was an actual in world power?"
Sternritter P, the Plot Armor lol
So that's why Robert lost. Sternritter N. No plot Armour
"And just because I can, I'm gonna sprinkle a bit of 1940s Nazism just to spice things up a bit 😌 because say what you want about them, but they sure did know how to dress well" - Kubo, probably
@@deaths2934that’s just Ichigo…
@@xeithar9236yeah you’re correct but people still complain too much about the main antagonists and protagonists being near equal in stories (because that’s how stories work). It does definitely get out of hand like yhwach having omniscience and still losing, ichigo fighting the 3 strongest characters throughout the story because the plot required him to, and Gerard having unlimited regeneration and power increases because (reasons)
Ultimate One-Shot vs Ultimate Damage Sponge.
I feel like I’m playing World Of Tanks.
As someone who doesn't play that game. I find it very funny
World of Tanks' ads are hysterical to me, if it's the World of Tanks I think you're talking about.
@@HOLDENPOPE The ads where tanks just randomly run sh*t over and ruin peoples’ days?
Yes, those ads are great.
the ultimate one-shot is also a ultimate damage sponge
"My power penetrates all" is the most Chad Fuckboy thing ever
Nick's Cannon
The canon of Nick
Came from a black guy too, very fitting.
Lillie is the penis of the Soul King
@@ez_is_bloo how so?
Honestly, I think the main thing Lille has to watch out for is Gerard’s sword, Hoffnung. True, he does have intangibility but if he can be affected by Shunsui’s shared pain part of his Bankai, I can imagine the same thing happening to him by damaging Hoffnung.
Yeah. It would seem any form of power reflection is Barros weakness. No just Nanaos zanpakuto. Which also makes it clear to me that Haschwalth is a terrible matchup for Barro too
Cutting such a foe..would truly need a MIRACLE
@@kakashihatake1029unless he one shots jugram.
Except he cant one shoot Jugram, who is miles above when it comes to speed and durability feats@@iliketowatchnfl3515
@sasailicc Sure "Miles above when it comes to feats and durability" how many miles would that be? Are we talking about America to Asia miles or Tokyo to Okinawa? 😂
When I saw the line that basically sums up as "Oh no. I'm such a big guy I can't find you tiny people and that's exactly why I'll find you" I burst out laughing thinking that in a fight between Gerard and Lille Gerard would go like:
"Oh no. I can't hit you because you're intangible... and that's exactly why I'll hit you!!"
or
"Oh no. You can pierce my core with your penetrating x-axis... AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHY YOU CAN'T PENETRATE ME!!!" 😂
That's exactly why I think Gerard wins. The fact Lille can't be hit in his holy form I don't see why the miracle wouldn't turn that around into Gerard's favor
Exactly, his Miracle would overwrite every other gimmick
@@ChrisIchiban hell, for all we know the miracle will make the shinken hakkyoken somehow intercept Lile's attack because there is a low as fuck chance of that happening
All I know for sure is, these flights are gonna be epic animated.
Let’s just hope Lille doesn’t end up being the same color as shrek ascended and Gerard being glowing Santa
I love that "Who wasn't easy against us?" line! It hints at other battles they have been in and I wonder when they were and against who?
probably most of the other Quincies that didn't accept Yhwach
Also, hollow without a doubt. They also could theoretically have been there before aizen and left before he ever had been born. Them using their skills on other Quincy makes sense, but there's gotta be another litmus test.
And it could have also been shinigami who found out about the Quincy or ones who were used for intel for perpetration for the war.
A prison or Intel unit. Or some sort of execution camp is easy to see for the Quincy, especially considering it's been shown before w the hollow. It wouldn't be hard to believe they've done it before.
Gerard's heart almost sounds like a Hogyoku. Nearly impossible to destroy and just like with Aizen it kept on constantly powering him up over and over. Someone should ask Kubo if Urahara essentially created a sudo Reio heart.
When the archangels clash, even the heavens tremble from their power. That said, I would put my money on Gerard.
Tommo: "Gerard gets cut in half by Kenpachi, that move would have virtually killed every single character in the series"
Aizen: nuh-uh
Aizen: Nah i'd Adapt
Definitely not Pernida either.
Lille.
Sk Yhwach, Ichigo too.
@muchoyurdem5260 Don't see how Ichigo survives being vertically bisected. That's a far more severe injury than he's ever had, his only hope would be that White Zangetsu takes over like in the Ulquiorra fight, but I don't know that even White could take that
@@envan7865 How did Zaraki survive when Ichigo tried to vertically bisect him in the SS arc the first time they fought?
How did he survive all the attacks of SOUL KING Yhwach?
1. There is a powersystem in the verse
2. Are you saying Zaraki has higher attack Potency then Yhwach?
The only question is can the X pierce Gerard's Cross? If yes, he wins. As kubo said Gerard can be killed if his cross is broken.
@@felipez3115to be more specific the question was about Kenpachi being capable
@@havoc5791 Yeah I saw a different translation but is probably wrong.
@@havoc5791which Kenpachi wasn’t able to.
How I see it is that the Quincy Cross is a manifestation of the heart of the soul king as well what else would it be? As such can the X-Axis destroy the heart that belongs to effectively the God of the universe
Lille still has to hit, just the X-axis being able to destroy the cross does not make it a sure win
"Oh no, hurting Lille is impossible"
*becomes possible*
Tadaaa
Real interested in this one- especially given what's coming up!
Hope you're doing great, Tommo. Fingers crossed we get a cour 3 date soon.
It would be a miracle if Gerard could somehow overcome Lille's intangible light form
Lille one shots in base
@@5SDcardsIn your dreams. In his strongest form he couldn't even one shot Shunsui 😂. Yall fanboying someone and your only arguments are no limit fallacys and headcanon
@@muchoyurdem5260 Gerard in base got statued by Oetsu while Lille still had time to shoot Oetsu with bullets instead of the X axis.
@5SDcards bruhh what a nonsense argument. Lille only had time because Oetsu gave him that time 🤦♂️. Gerard was simply the first one to directly attack him lmfao. And Lille got one shot the same as Gerard.
Also what does that prove? And what does that have to do with my argument?
Nothing you said changes the fact that Lille wasn't able to One shot even Shunsui even in his stronger forms 😂.
Funny how you are trying to ignore the fact that i debunked your claim
@@muchoyurdem5260 What does Shunsui have to do with Gerard? If not for Nanao coming to Shunsui, he was implied to have given up and was dying after he was shot in the abdomen by Lille.
Gerard being perception blitzed during his swing has nothing to do with him being the first to attack.
Great vid Tom!
Can't wait to enjoy all the content we will have when part 3 is out.
It would truly be a miracle if hoffnung gained the properties of shinken hakkyoken...
Lille is the unstoppable force, Gerard is the immovable object, we cannot tell what happens when the two clashes but it's gonna be one awsome fucking fight
I think something important to think about would be whether or not the miracle can bypass Lilles intangibility. If hitting Lillie is impossible, could the miracle make it possible?
I was gonna right this argument too so W m8.
I mean, if it did, that would be a miracle
No because the miracles ability isn't to generate actual miracles. It just brings him back and he calls it the miracle. It essentially just makes him immortal as long as he has the cross.
For sure it can
@AlexDrewsuminno your wrong. It actually makes miraclesin Gerard's favor. Remember when it was almost impossible for him to find the shinigami then the miracle made it that he instantly found them.
Since Kubo confirmed that Gerard would die if the cross gets destroyed, I imagine Lille shouldn’t have much of a problem dealing with that since his X-Axis ignores durability and penetrates anything and everything. I believe Lille is the strongest Schutzstaffel in my opinion since he had to be defeated by a specific god slaying sword. He isn’t the leader for nothing.
Yeah there's a reason Lille is the leader of the Schutzstaffel. If he felt that he wasn't adequate or strong enough to lead Yhwach's Royal Guard, Gerard would certainly challenge him for the position, or at least threaten him the same way he threatened Askin due to him having just been promoted to the Schutzsaffel. Being the first to be bestowed by the QUincy King's power really does have it's perks because it would have meant that Lille was given far more power than the other Sternritter. Although Gerard himself never received a new power when he was given his Schrift since it was just something he was given to acknowledge the power he already had
How I see it is that the Quincy Cross is a manifestation of the heart of the soul king as well what else would it be? As such can the X-Axis destroy the heart that belongs to effectively the God of the universe
@@PridamGerard has a strong sense of camaraderie with his fellow Quincy. He threatened to cut down Askin if he "fell behind," but he also immediately accepted Uryū as their newest member when he pretended to shoot Ichigo off the palace.
He certainly would never fight Lille for his position just because he's stronger, he is the literal embodiment of undying loyalty to Yhwach.
@@marctm7614 He immediately accepted Uryu AFTER hearing Uryu's declaration of his "loyalty" to Yhwach. I'm just saying, that he would threaten any of the Schutzstaffel if they haven't proven themselves in both loyalty and fighting ability
@@Pridam Not sure why you repeated what I said, but alright.
X-Axis is an Unstoppable Force and Gerard's Cross is an Immovable Object.
It's destroyable w non godlike hacks.
@AlexDrewsumin I think the point Kubo made is that it is _indestructible_ without godlike hacks. Bankai Kenpachi couldn't even scratch it. Hell, I even doubt mugetsu could so much as leave a mark. The X-axis *might* be one of the very few things that can damage it, but then the problem becomes Lille actually hitting Gerard.
(Edit: clarifying of position)
@@TheAnomaly00I doubt the x axis is stronger than Toshiro conceptual freezing ability or Kenpachi’s spatial cutting
@@TheAnomaly00x-axis not one of the ability that can damage the cross, rather it is one of the abilities that can directly attack the cross. Nothing suggests it can even leave a scratch on it.
Kubo never said any character can destroy it, all he said was if something is capable enough to destroy the cross, sure Gerard would die, but also suggests that even bankai zaraki at that time couldn't achieve that (the epitome of pure destruction).
@sladew9788 Here's a much more comprehensive take on the whole X-axis vs. Gerard's heart.
Let's say that as Lille and Gerard are getting ready to throw down, Lille gets one free shot that hits. There are at minimum three outcomes. The first, simplest, and most likely outcome is that the x-axis is unable to damage the core, thus making it a moot point.
Now, the second outcome is where things get interesting. Assuming the x-axis _can_ pierce Gerard's heart, the question becomes how much of an effect would a mere hole in it would have? Because Kubo's phrasing implies that the entire cross must be destroyed completely in order to kill Gerard. If that is the case, then it is likely that the cross itself would be restored by The Miracle.
The third option is that _because_ the x-axis *can* pierce the heart, The Miracle would kick in and make it unable to do so.
long time lurker here but thanks tommo for the consistent and in depth bleach content. also love how well spoken u are lol you’ve come a long way
Awesome to have the vs matches back xD hope to see some more of these in the future. Kyoraku or Kenpachi would be great to see.
Kyoraku VS Zaraki is a draw at best for Zaraki due to the shared wounds
unless Kyoraku doesn't get serious and gets killed before Bankai
@@Force-Multiplier tbh Kenpachi is significantly more powerful then Kyoraku and depending on how much you believe him to be he may unironically neg that hax. But I didn't necessarly mean to match them up against each other (don't want 2 of my 3 favorite chars slaughtering each other).
@@jeremyleonjonas7657 if Lille didn't negged the hax i don't see Zaraki doing it
Zaraki was claimed to be unable to break the Core by the Klub Outside reveal
Lille is still in contention to that
besides Lille has confirmed divinity status from the sword that only cuts gods working on him
and Zaraki was paralyzed by Mayuri's Shikai just fine so i doubt Kyoraku's Bankai won't work on him
@@Force-Multiplier if we include CFYOW, Kenpachi is very much shown to be on the low end tier of Ichigo, Hikone or Aizen. Which I just don't see Kyoraku reaching.
But even so, there is still the fact that Kenpachi would very easily be able to beat Kyoraku without bankai. He is demonstratively capable of overpowering captain tiers, is extremely adaptive when presented with tricksy abilities and is likely the better swordsman (not by much, I'll admit and Kyoraku obviously would make up for that much in kido). And all thats before accounting his extremely nerfed bankai considering he doesn't even know its name (for reference: we know the impact a fake name has from Renji and Yumichika) and was only using it for the very first time.
@@jeremyleonjonas7657 CFYOW Zaraki is the same as TYBW Zaraki they never said he was stronger and unless we get confirmation of him being stronger in CFYOW (wich there isn't and its just 6 months of peace later so there is no reason for him to be stronger either) then he's just fighting weaker oponents in CFYOW than in TYBW
there is no way Hisagi would beat Gerard or Lille or even Pernida
but he did beat Hikone
hax or no hax he still couldn't do the same to any of the Schutzstaffels
Askin will become inmune equalized or not and Hisagi will suffer and suffer even if Askin can't kill Hisagi either eventually Hisagi should pass out from the pain since his Bankai doesn't make him inmune to things or anything
Pernida will just keep regenerating and eventually touch and control Hisagi
Lille is intangible equalized stats or not but unlike the others he can't kill Hisagi or do anything to him UNLESS *he breaks Hisagi's Zanpakuto* wich rarely gets brought up
and Gerard is on a similar boat to Pernida but he can't control Hisagi either however he could steal it and become inmune to Hollow Reiatsu with the Miracle
and this is consistent too
Hikone was claimed to need Hougyoku to be Transcendent like Aizen proving that Hikone wasn't quite there
and his/her (whatever the sex or lack of it lol) biggest power boost came from Nails of Reio
Pernida and Gerard are limbs or vital organs of Reio and got the Auswählen boost on top of that and Lille is relative to them
just for extra reference Zaraki didn't even go Shikai on Hikone when he tried that with Pernida he got no diffed
then he used Bankai on Gerard and Klub outside awnsers to a fan on the matter gave the awnser is basically saying that the core wasn't destroyed by Zaraki's Bankai ... there's plenty of evidence of this and nothing Zaraki does there really puts him above his TYBW feats
as for Zaraki being stronger than Kyoraku physically yeah we agree there in the physical sense he is superior but that won't change the unavoidable draw *at best* for Zaraki due to the shared wounds
Kyoraku on the other hand can use Bankai and dispel Bankai at will and has the advantages of being able to attack from the Shadows and hide there plus tons of other hax
a very slight advantage but still higher odds
heck if Kyoraku see's himself unable to win but absolutely wants Zaraki dead all he needs to do is un-alive himself and that's all she wrote
I haven't watched the video yet but thank you for uploading it
"Im the fastest strongest mightiest of all Quincys"
VS
"im second only to god"
"my arrows can pierce anything"
kinda though to know since they both hype themselves up so much
You forgot in the first part, "The divine authority, a God and the most noble and Purest of God's Knight's: The heart of the Soul King."
he brought the series back with a banger
It would take a miracle for Gerard to cut down Lille's intangible, indestructible heavenly body...
...which is why that's exactly what would happen. The hope of the masses would sunder the heavens.
Facts.
Even if he could cut him because of his miracle Lillie would also come back his miracle gives him more power it doesn’t take it away from others it’s a stalemate unless the X axis can destroy Gerard’s Quincy cross then Lilie wins
@@qmoney9997 Not the case. Lille can be harmed beyond recovery, like he was when his own holy power was turned on him. And there exists no holier power than the Soul King's.
It's not just Aizen and Gerard, Ayon also survived being split in half and even remained combat capable. Not that big of a deal, but something to note when discussing how rarely people survive vertical bisection in Bleach.
Ayon, didn't survive.
It is a golem.
Weird, it says I have a reply but I can't see anything. Anyway, Ayon absolutely survived being cut in half and Yamamoto resorted to scorching him with Ryūjinjakka to defeat him.
@@marctm7614I think they meant it didn't really have a soul or existence or whatever. I don't see it as any different than Dangai Joue.
Also I think it may have succumbed to its injuries eventually.
@@hitkid2456 Ayon is a living entity, he is completely different from Komamaru's Bankai - which is just a manifestation of Reiatsu.
@@marctm7614He is a living entity that has died at least twice though, clearly Ayon's not quite the same as most living beings
Man Lille is intangible and can’t die… the odds are so stacked against Gerard! it really would take a miracle for Gerard to be able to damage Lille…
I use to believe this was a never ending battle but with kubo confirming Gerard’s weakness then Lille simply erases his core . Leader of the Elites wins
Depends since same as Lille claimed to be able to pierce anything and be second only to god
Gerard claimed to be the fastest strongest mightiest of all Quincy
Gerard wins, Lillie can definitely hit the cross but can he pierce it? Gerard is the hearth of the soul king, and Lillie definitely can't penetrate the soul king
@@roywempor8395why is lille the leader of the elites?
@@roywempor8395 No need to add the Soul King to this. Pernida was his hand and it died to a scientific mishap. Obviously the individual parts no longer are on the same level as Soul King himself.
@@iliketowatchnfl3515 because of his leadership skills
Love this channel.
Lille destroys the Quincy Cross of Gerard. No miracle for Gerard. 💀
Round 1 ko
It would be A MIRCALE if he couldn't
The Quincy Cross has nothing to do with the Miracle working or not as far as we know. That's just a fan theory
Well only his gun could possibly destroy the quincy cross, he'd have to know where it is and hit gerard, base ouetsu dodged his gun trajectory aswell as shikai shunsui and the gerard and lille are above them. To imply gerard cant dodge and lille would hit the cross and destroy it is clear bias.
And if the gun is destroyed then lille has no way of shooting uniformly penetrating bullets and his higher forms use light attacks. He doesn't have the ability, power and stamina to kill gerard unless he gets extremely lucky at the start but the miracle itself manipulates probability and reality subjectively to benefit gerard lille isnt winning.
Lille will just serve to damage/kill gerard and amp him continously. Lilles intangibility is only matter based and the miracle itself will allow for gerard to bypass the ability of matter intangibility, since thats what it does.
Lille simply cannot win because it would be a miracle if gerard wins, which means he'd win because gerard would be severly outmatched at the start. Which is exactly why gerard wins 9/10.
@@philbuttler3427there is literally a club outside that confirms that theory lol. That being said I don’t agree that Lillie can break it.
This reminds me of the Superman vs Goku argument. The one who has essentially infinite power vs the one how has the power to grow infinitely
Was it ever told exactly how Gremmy and Ywach came to know each other and how the latter managerd to not only imprison the former, but keep him there?
Of course not 😂
Kubo never gave Gremmy the chance to develop as a character and rushed him into oblivion. Pun not intended. *sigh*
@@BerryStraw15 I really wish kubo expanded a bit more on Gremmy. He could have easily been promoted to the elites if he trained more. His death was disappointing.
@@gammafrost Gremmy could never be with the Elites because he would literally kill them and put everyone in danger. There is a reason Yhwach kept him locked up.
But yes, Kubo dropped the ball real hard with Gremmy's character.
X-Axis, are you kidding me...the one shot potential is crazy...
How I see it is that the Quincy Cross is a manifestation of the heart of the soul king as well what else would it be? As such can the X-Axis destroy the heart that belongs to effectively the God of the universe
No way he can actually hit Gerard, gerard is way faster than lillie. Thats something not taken into consideration here, their massive gap in physical stats
@@ThnkrgamesA half dead Kyoraku was able to dodge the x axis and people think he’s hitting Gerard
@@jocoolshowleave that… lille got a free sneak attack on kyoraku and pierced through his heart. This is when kyoraku thought lille is defeated, deactivates his bankai and has let down his guard and closes his eye to rest. And that was still incapable of killing of a tired "no-guard up" kyoraku. So, even if lille is capable of hitting the cross heart of gerard, the capability to destroy the cross is absolutely baseless and very questionable.
Gerard would destroy lille
A few things wrong,
1) Lille isn't intangible to energy attacks. Hence why shunsuis reiryoku thread cut him.
2) Lilles cutting AP is not greater than bankai Kenpachi and True bankai toshiro hax so he couldn't destroy gerards cross like they couldn't.
All the damage gerard takes will just be converted into power, lille does not have this ability, lille only has regeneration when transforming and he only has 2 higher forms. He might be able to destroy the cross with his gun but that assumes he hits him and his cross and that it doesn't get destroyed as the gun is the only time he can uniformly penetrate.
Gerard has damage sharing, so if hoffnung is cut by lilles light attack, the same damage will be reflected onto lille and kill him like it did with nanao.
The miracle will just make it so he can cut through lilles intangibility also since it manipulates reality.
Miracle = Subjective Probability/Reality manipulation > X-axis (Matter intan, Light attacks)
it would be a miracle if gerard wins, which means he'd win because gerard would be severly outmatched at the start. Which is exactly why gerard wins 9/10.
Nanao's attack doesn't share damage, it specifically diffuses holy power. We saw how useful sharing damage was against Lille, all it did was make him power up and start throwing around all-erasing nukes.
@@HOLDENPOPE Wrong, i never said nanaos attack shares damage, i said gerards sword will share the damage taken from lilles attack if damaged. Also nanaos sword doesnt diffuse holy power, ch 653 lille states "it reflects the ability of the god its facing"
Sharing damage is not the same for everyone, did you not understand? Damage sharing is relative to the damage taken, so the damage dealt by lille onto the sword will be equally shared on lille. in other words, the god power of lilles attack will share onto him.
Who's gonna tell blud that shunsuis banking rewrites reality to be a act. The only way Gerard would win is if he could rewrite reality if you believe that.
@@gameguardianhacker5151 🤣 no it doesn’t, the acts are instances during the bankai. They are just phases where his abilities take place. It’s never once even implied to rewrite reality let alone stated or shown.
Bankai isn't magical, it's ethereal.
Gerard looks majestic
Personally, I think the Miracle's probability/reality manipulation would actually seal the deal in favor of Gerard. I think it's also worth pointing out that as a piece of God/the Soul King, Gerard might have a way to bypass Lille's intangibility.
I really like your take on vs battles. I wouldn’t mind getting these every once in awhile. Maybe revisiting Ichigo vs Aizen once the anime adaptation is over. Or maybe something a little more broad like the Zero division vs the Gotei 13 (Not sure what era) even Byakuya vs Kenpachi I think can be an interesting topic if it’s during the Hueco Mundo arc or soul society arc
I'd actually be interested seeing you look at Askin vs the other schutzstaffel, could his deathdealing turn Gerald's ability against itself? Lille seems to be somewhat vulnerable to the plague step of Shunsuie's bankai, so he too seems potentially vulnerable to the deathdealing
If a Bankai Kenpachi can't damage the cross, doubt Lille could. And Gerard managing to hit Lille would be a miracle, which....he gets to do all the time.
I used to be team Gerard until the info drop about his cross. Without that weakness I think he wins in a battle of attrition. Because of that however I think Lille is able to pack him up pretty easily.
yeah i dont blame people pre kubo reveal for believing gerad since he literally refused to lose lol
How I see it is that the Quincy Cross is a manifestation of the heart of the soul king as well what else would it be? As such can the X-Axis destroy the heart that belongs to effectively the God of the universe
Lille being able to pack up Gerard easily? But that would mean is almost impossible for Gerard to win, that he would need a mirac.... oh....
But how many actually know about his cross??
They tried everything & still couldnt killl him. 👍
Kubo said if Kenny could , meaning No one can still beat Gerard
Gremmy could kill Lille and Gerard with ease by opening his space trap in Living World's space. Every Quincy's power comes from absorbing reishi(ch.49 pg.3). Reishi is the source of all Quincy abilities(ch.547 pg.11). Living World is composed of kishi(ch.70 pg.8). That means Gremmy can not only take away all offensive abilities but defensive as well and leave his opponents to the hostile environment of outer space. Not an insta kill but an extremely painful one. That's why all the Sternritters feared him and never bared their fangs at him(ch.575 pg.14 and CFYOW vol.2 ch.15 pg.216).
I think that would fail for the same reason it failed against Kenpachi, they're just fast enough to escape. Gerard is physically stronger than Kenpachi, who's strength Gremmy could even fathom and given that Gremmy is just a brain, the X-Axis just shoots there and kills him, no?
@@envan7865 Uh...it didn't fail against Zaraki. It severely injured him and he managed to cut his way out. Gerard is not physically stronger than Zaraki and Gremmy imagined the"totality"of his power but couldn't imagine a body to contain that power. All Sternritters get their power from external reishi, if there is no reishi they can't use their schrifts or any defensive arts. Gremmy has also been shown to use intangibility like Lille. So no.
I completely agree with whole analysis. But it was seriously close.
Lille “My X-Axis Pierces ALL!” It could pierce Gerard’s Cross
Gerard “wouldn’t it be a MIRACLE if you could actually find it”
UNSTOPPABLE FORCE MEETING AN IMMOVABLE OBJECT‼️
My question is how the Miracle might interact with the condition that Gerard would have to land a critical blow on Lille, but not activate his second eye/not give him three fatal blows avoided? Would that make it more likely for the Miracle to kick in? I think it would, even if Lille's own conditions for activating Ziliel would complicate things.
People throw this one around a lot but this really is a battle of an unstoppable force and an immovable object.
37:18 I agree with Lille winning, but doesn't the fact Gerald will never have a weapon capable of killing Lille mean that he'll develop a weapon capable of killing Lille if The Miracle can activate?
It’s like the biggest war of attrition
The only video we always needed
Great analysis, as always.
I SAY tommo2304 and dbzimran plan this they both did a sternritters video same day🧐
I love both of their videos 😂😂😂. It would be cool to see them collaborate.
I think it’s clear that Lille’s eye requires knowledge the attack is lethal; I think that was probably what he was referring to when he said he didn’t get a chance to defend against Oetsu, since that would have killed him barring Aushwalen
Oh yeah it's time to push my Lille agenda
I can't wait for the final fight to start
What stops Lille from using his rile to penetrate Gerad's heart? Seeing as how it can shoot through anything.
Lille’s X-axis goes through Gerard, destroying that cross of light within him that brings him back to life that Kubo revealed after the manga was over.
It would be cool if in the anime they show more about Gerald’s cross. Like if after he is shattered it shows the cross on the ground shaking and starting to draw reishi towards itself in an attempt to rebuild Gerard’s body… and Kenpachi stamps it out, shattering it to dust and scattering any remaining reishi.
I know that doesn’t work with the canon material’s timeline, because Gerald actually meets his end by Auschwalen, and Kenpachi brings himself down by using too much of his Bankai power before the end of the fight, but I can dream can’t I?
I’ve actually never understood what’s the difference between flashstep and a teleportation.
Been a fan since 2010 lol.
Here's the issue, I still think Gerard wins. Gerard's cross only forms if Gerard gets destroyed to a degree that the cross needs to even appear. And there's no proof that Lille can destroy the cross considering the fact that the heart of the soul king might only be able to get destroyed by the soul king himself.
Also, I think Gerard would be able to touch Lille even if Lille is intangible. People forget, the more impossible it is for Gerard, the more likely he'd be able to do it thanks to the miracle. It'd take a miracle to damage Lille Barro? Well, Gerard makes the impossible possible.
There’s no reason why Lille shouldn’t be able to destroy his cross.
@@5SDcardsThere are multiple reasons why he clearly isnt able lmao. Literally the other way around there is no reason why he could other than no limit fallacys and headcanon
@@5SDcards there is lol. Zaraki's Shikai can casually cut through space meaning it can ignore durability and ignore the laws of physics binding physical matter together. His Bankai has 5-10 times that power and can't cut the cross. Even after Gerard was frozen by Toshiro who could freeze even concepts and broken to pieces, his cross still wasn't affected. You cannot be certain that Lille Barro can destroy the cross as well. Kubo didn't say he could either. Kubo said "the cross is his weakness, if there's a way to destroy the cross"
@@NEONlights-lb8um Kenpachi can only chip Hoffnung with shikai. Toshiro doesn’t “freeze concepts” he just makes the matter he freezes lose its function which has no effect on Gerard as he can still muscle through his ice. Kubo is only talking about Kenpachi had he been able to destroy the cross not everyone.
@@muchoyurdem5260 Yet you can’t name a single one.
I hope that if the Hell Arc occurs, the new characters will have similarly broken powers!
If Gremmy had any interest in physics, he would instantly win every fight.
Gremmy: So you say there is 0.1g of anitmatter behind your ear?
Opponent: What?
Gremmy: What?
BOOOOOM !
Gremmy: The gravity at your location is as strong as it is on the surface of a neutron star.
Opponent: Proceeds to transform into a 1nm thick layer of plasma.
Gremmy: Oopsie.
Gremmy: Get hit by a relativistic projectile at 99.9% c
Opponent: Gets atomized. Literally.
Almost everyone in bleach is MFTL and made of something that antimatter wouldn't affect. This is one of the Holy Shonen Trinity, like Naruto and One Piece, IRL physics seldom applies to them.
You point out that it's unlikely for Lille to end up hitting Gerald's sword, but then if it's something that could turn the tide in battle, the less likely it is to happen the more the miracle will kick in to make it happen
Crazy that u and dbzimran just dropped videos at the same time talking about royal guards at the same time
Mr Tommo is 1000x better, analisys and video quality overall.
@@felipez3115 I'm sure they respect each other enough to not want this kind of 'my dad can beat up your dad' energy.
@@felipez3115Clyde or Jaymes>>
@@HOLDENPOPE And I'm just said who I think is better, problem?
@@muchoyurdem5260 Clyde is a Aizen fanboy, he said that he can beat squad 0, and also using the "why isn't close" title, no thanks.
This is a never ending debate, both are good fighters.
My take on this topic is, if we're looking at Overall Stats, Gerard is probably stronger than Lille Barro, cause he takes on some of the strongest captains in the series all at once, and while it's arguable how strong they are individually, as a group that should be a bigger challenge than facing Kyoraku and Nanao.
But if we're looking at this as a Vs Matchup, I feel Lille has more win cons than Gerard does, cause unless the Miracle gives him the ability to do damage to Lille, who can literally become untouchable. Lille has a far better range advantage, and since Kubo revealed that the way to defeat Gerard is by destroying his core, if Lille finds it, he might just oneshot it, at least in his Powered up Cherub Form.
Unstoppable Force vs Immovable Object
My money is on Lille
Aizen in the Hell Arc has dwarfed both since it was confirmed that 'his reiatsu along with sk juga are required to keep hell gate shut'
Can you make a video explaining the soul king and his body parts
He did that already a year ago.
"He's rushing me. If only I could retreat straight backwards and use a linear, infinite ranged weapon that goes through defenses. 🙄 It's almost like Quincy are ranged fighters and I'm the ultimate example of that."
The balance is the most powerful, Hands down.
not. hands up🚨👮♂️
Well see in part 3
that's probably the last shot for Hashwalth and Ishida to show their worth unless they go all out on part 4 and we see Hashwalth's Volstandig
I mean the Balance and The Miracle are kinda opposites of each other and counter each other
this seems like a good debate until you realize that kubo said that all u have to do is break his cross, that same cross was shown when kenny cut him in half, kubo also said it just floats around i think but this is also against liile, who js has to make a giant beam and it PIERCES EVERYTHING
If Geralds core can be found and destroyed then Lille wins.
Lille quite literally one shots
This is what it would be like for 2 kids playing imaginary fights, who just keep making up skills as they go along to one up each other.
That being said, Lille Barro wins..... Probably
The more I think about it, the more I feel like Lille wins like 95% of the time. I just dunno how Gerard is gonna affect Lille
@@Jaycutler709 it would be miracle if he could damage lille .
that all what you need to know
If you believe the miracle can rewrite reality like shunsuis bankai then Gerard wins.
Im putting my bet on the "Heart of the SK". I totally forgot about the reflective Hoffnug Sword, but again I believe in the miracle kicking in when Gerald starts missing his attacks on Lille intangible form. Apart from not having a garanteed confirmation that the X Axis can "reach" SK' heart.
He's there version of Kenpachi.
Quincy kenpachi
I'd love the twist of since Gerrard has the Soul king's heart Squad 0 can't damage it due to it being part of the Soul king they're trying to protect.
Tough one but im going with lilie & here’s why. The miracle may appear to be absolute but there is one exception ywach’s ability to recall his power. IF the miracle was TRULY absolute ywach would not be able reclaim his power “the miracle” from gerrod, This tells me 2 things
1. Ywach’s power over his sternriter and their given Shrifts is absolute.
2. If ywach bestowed lilie with the ability to pierce through anything. & ywach’s power over his shrifts is absolute, then lilie would absolutely peirce gerrods core & kill him. Essentially a miracle won’t occur because Ywach bestowed lilie with the power to kill a miracle or “The”miracle whichever. Just my initial thoughts though.
I was talking to someone on reddit about Lille and they mentioned that in a way Haschwalth would've been better off having Lille's final form. I sort of agree and disagree but i really do see the premise behind that
Personally, one VS battle (well, set of VS battles) I'd like to see is: Aizen, Gin, Tosen, Starrk, Barragan and Harribel vs Squad Zero. In particular, Aizen vs Ichibe, maybe Gin vs Senjumaru.
For that matter, I am also really interested to see the fights that would occur if the Wandenreich had invaded Hueco Mundo while Aizen and the Espada were still at full strength. Some fight ideas, I think, could be: Aaroniero vs BG9, Szayel-Apporo vs Askin Nakk Le Varr, maybe Zommari vs Pepe (though that would be more of a silly match that would need extra participants to be viable, given they both can control people, one through his Resurrection, one through his Schrift). Maybe the female Sternritters could fight against Harribel's Fraccion?
With the second scenario of the Wandenreich invading Hueco Mundo at the peak of Aizen's power, I'm also imagining an endless skirmish between the Soldaat and the Exequias.
Aizen would win
I feel like lille would win just due to Gerard needing to kinda "rank up" his power in increments. Also knowing more about him, Lille could just snipe Gerard's quincy cross core as soon as it showed up and be done with it.
I think it doesn't even need to "show up" . Lille just sniping the place where the cross should suffice.
Lille: " I alone am truly the Blessed one" lol
I'd say Lillie simply because we saw more of his skillset. With Gerald the only things we saw were his giant ability and hoffnung which wouldn't work on lillie anyway since he's made intangible by his schrit
Thank you for qualifying this. It's said multiple times in the manga that Lille is the strongest.
So, before watching the video: My take is that Lille is initially more powerful than Gerard and has the potential to win outright so long as he is able to recognize and capitalize on Gerard's cross weakness. However, if it becomes a drawn-out fight, Gerard absolutely stomps by essentially Miarcle'ing his way past everything Lille is capable of.
How can the miracle pass liles' durability and intangibility? They literally had to create a God slaying sword that reflects the power of the user back to itself in order to defeat him, and he didn't even die.
@@desantinotafrancesco2639 Because the literal ability of the Miracle makes it possible. Oh, sure, Lille has intangibility that makes it impossible for Gerard to hit him... but, that impossibility is exactly what would trigger the Miracle to allow Gerard to be able to strike Lille.
@@lo4tr that only happens in the unlikely case that lille doesn't just put a hole through that chain in his heart, I doubt Gerard would last long against the kind of attacks that lille can dish out, but it's debatable of course.
@@lo4tr can't lille erase anything between two points no matter what ?
Lille should be able to shoot through Gerard, Gerard has no feats to say otherwise.
Gerard is literally the soul king's heart, not to mention his sword could reflect damage with equal or greater force. He could easily destroy Lillie Halo, making him no longer intangible. Also, it took juha himself to stop him while Lillie couldn't stop nanao shunsui and Kira of all people.
Lille Barro wins no diff with X Axis hax
I mean given the number of overpowered captains Gérard was fighting vs the number Lille was fighting, I will say Gerard is the more powerful, even though he has a known weakness. So Gerard can pack a bigger punch, but also has a direct way to be killed
Both gremmy victims
please gremmy was getting walked by Zaraki and was using his imagination to it's fullest to try to beat him while Gerard was pressureing and beat this same Zaraki
Both negs Gremmy
You make some good points. However. Gerard power being the miracle. His own shrift will grant a way. Through sword damage or some other way. They are both broken in terms of both power and abilities. Its close cause if he hits Gerard's core, Is Lille powerful enough to destroy it? If you say yes, that means Lille's attack is greater than Kenpachi's Bankai. Plus freezing and destroying Gerard entire body didn't finish him. I don't think Lille could do worse to Gerard, that he couldn't come back. I would give the edge to the soul kings heart being greater. it's closer to and maybe great as the Hōgyoku. Cause the soul kings heart grants miracles to Gerard. I can see the Lille argument but just think Gerard has more divinity. I maybe way off. but loved the video good work Tom
Considering that Lillie's X-Axis can hit whenever he wants it to without anything able to stop it save for a broken ability, Gerard would die once the cross is destroyed and Lillie can do that without any problem.
Plus Lillie is already my favourite while Gurard is just a big meat shield like Yammy before him.
How I see it is that the Quincy Cross is a manifestation of the heart of the soul king as well what else would it be? As such can the X-Axis destroy the heart that belongs to effectively the God of the universe
"Lille is the best because he's my favorite!"
Let s also remember, ychwalt gave them the power of all sternritters who were alive*
I think this fidht would be a draw... with half the planet destroyed
They both negs Jugram 😂🤝🤝
They aint standing a chance against jugo ☠️ The Balance absolutely annihilates them both
@@achmedschachbrett772 no.
no lol . jugram will negg them he is superior in both stats and hax .
@@andrei-cezarbleaje5519 bruv Are you restarted??? Im saying that jugram Beats Both of them, cant you read
@@achmedschachbrett772 I think he's responding to the same comment you were responding to, he's not replying to you lol
Needa Byakuya vs urahara vid asap that’s a very interesting topic (no prep)
Byakuya loses if he doesn't get better showcasings in the anime
I actually want Tommo to do a battle between Byakuya and Hashwalth.
@@muchoyurdem5260 think so? Im in the middle that’s why I’d like to hear what a expert like tommo would think
If Kubo says Bankai Kenpachi can't cut Gerard's heart, then Lille can't break it with a Sniper rifle. I rank Bankai Kenpachi above Lille's Sniper rounds in destructive power.
penetrate anything between his weapon and his target, ignoring obstacles and durability
Basically it isn’t a tangible bullet, he is simply ERASING whatever area he targets. The Cross is a tangible object that HOLDS The Miracle’s ability. Bankai Kenpachi can’t cut it because it is virtually unbreakable by conventional physical means. But here’s the key to all this and why Lille CAN break the Cross. The X-Axis simply completely ignores defense which means if Lille has the Cross in his sight, it is effectively deleted from existence. No questions asked. Until Kubo says that isn’t possible and that the Miracle has a defense for this, Lille wins easily.
So Lillie can't win because you like Kenpanchi and scale him >>>😂.
Lillie's power doesn't rely on Attack Power like Kenpanchis so you're analysis is moot.
If the cross has durability then Lille can destroy as his power straight up negates durability.
One of the few that uses logic 👏
@@muchoyurdem5260 Please elaborate on the "logic"?🧐