You have done an amazing job! the effort is obvious and it is great, thank you! The number of things to memorize, the many options makes it seem like a steep learning curve and could be a barrier to start. This is an area I think could use some elegant approach to make it easier for new joiners. Thanks again for the amazing work
I think that starting the video with a little inventory of all parts that are going to be used would have been really helpful. Like how a Lego set or Ikea kit will lay out all of the included parts first. Not even explaining the parts at all, just going over how many of x are used and how many of y are used. Could help categorize them as "these are stand-alone snaps", "these are folding snaps", "these are sides A and B of 2-part snaps", these three parts are for the sap pulling tool". Would also help introduce us all to the names and naming scheme, instead of feeling a bit like these parts and their names are just coming out of a hat as the video goes on. It would also give a good reference to refer back to when I'm trying to follow along and he pulls out a moderate weight bearing snap and I need to figure out what that is and how to tell it apart from the very similar regular single-part snap. This would also make this much, much easier to follow along for people who aren't supporters. Which sounds like a good thing overall to me. But it's understandable if this was avoided to encourage people to support so that they have access to the pack. I would very much suggest doing this anyway if this was the case though because I believe missing this parts list and intro cheapens the experience for everyone, supporters like myself included.
Love the Multiboard idea. It would be great if the tile generator have a fusion 360 version too. Bender at times are just not as stable as Fusion. Thank you.
Yeah, I printed a bunch of back plates and accessories but just kind of gave up. The system is a big messy confusion of difficult-to-remember parts. Looks great, but I don't know if I'll ever be able to make anything useful with it. Too confusing.
Hopefully once we're a little further along it'll be a bit easier to navigate. We're still very much in beta, and the site doesn't currently separate the "very useful general parts" from the "needed once in a blue moon specialty parts", but we're working on that! Feel free to follow along and we'll make it as clear as we can as improvements come to documentation and design refinement!
Why do the "normal snap" and "moderate weight-bearing snap" both exist? When would it be better to use the "normal" instead of just using the "moderate"?
The moderate snap is directional, and must be inserted by tilting it into place. The normal snap has no orientation. They're often used together so that one side is levered in (weight bearing) and the other side snaps into place (with the normal snap)! I recommend checking out the shelf video for context on that.
I'm just exploring this, but will note that PLA doesn't resist creep very well. If the retention depends on parts remaining stable, and not slowly bending over time, PETG might be a better bet. It's a bit fussier to print, but it's good for interfaces that rely on friction fits. Not at all sure it matters in this system's designs.
For both demos & actual users, it would be nice to have dual-color printing options for any parts that have symbols. For example, having the weight bearing arrows printed in dark grey against the orange. Specifically for these demos: - It would be really useful if the "A" side pieces and the "B" side pieces were printed in different colors. (I'd suggest a different grey or black for the "A" side pieces.) - It would be nice to have the parts' official names displayed on the screen when they're being introduced. - Likewise, it would be nice to have better quality up-close images, or the CAD images of the parts that are shown on the corresponding kits' page when the part is being introduced
You would simply pull the edge tiles and replace with more core tiles, and move the edge tiles to the new…well, edge. They have a designer tool now that shows you that any sizeable wall will be almost entirely core tiles, so it would just be a matter of moving the one edge
Im slightly confused by the mention of 0.25 mm tolerance. Is that a printer or slicer setting, or are you just saying thats how the parts were designed?
I know it's a lot, but we really recommend messing around and checking out the community builds for a bit. It's a bit like lego- there are hundreds of odd and special parts, but most builds only use a few dozen 😅
This system looks amazing, but I’m a bit overwhelmed with all the parts needed and the terminology. Seems a bit too much for an organization system, but then again, they’ve really put a lot of thought into all the features. I printed the base boards and the starter pack and am gonna give it a try this weekend! I think once I put in the initial effort to learn the components, this system has a lot of potential.
The easier something is... The less control you have over it. This is a bit complex because it accommodates so much and is so flexible. Learn the part you need... And discard the rest. I like this system better than, say, Gridfinity (this system looks like it's more for vertical hangs, which Gridfinity is more for horizontal use.
I want to like this system but if the creator of the system barely can figure it out (not remembering the names and fumbling) what chance do we have? Why is it so complicated? HSW is simple, just remember the correct orientation of the actual honeycomb and you are off to the races, no multi part tomfoolery or complicated nonsensical names. Also, maybe give examples of how to use the T-bolts and all of the other parts shown here. its 24 minutes and have almost less knowledge than when I started. EDIT: maybe print parts in different colors to show the differences instead of being "this part and this part" say "The green one and the blue one are different because so and so"
Ultimately we have a little trouble with the vocabulary ourselves since we use many different names during development before we choose a final name for public release. This video is primarily meant to accompany people who have the printed kit in hand, so we try not to rely on color or other elements that might not match. As for the complexity, it's primarily down to options. We try to provide just about every possible connection variant or niche part that might be useful, but it makes the initial experience quite... complicated looking. We're definitely working on separating parts into tiers of likely usefulness for most users, along with more specific instructions for general use. These learning packs are all about providing as many connection possibilities as possible so people can get a feel for all their options!
@@stellasfun Never let comments like this shame you. I've spent a life time working with developers and naming parts is the most challengoing in the early days. Live video throws a completely new challenge. Good work I will start mine tomorrow.
You have done an amazing job! the effort is obvious and it is great, thank you!
The number of things to memorize, the many options makes it seem like a steep learning curve and could be a barrier to start. This is an area I think could use some elegant approach to make it easier for new joiners.
Thanks again for the amazing work
I just discovered this system and I am really excited to get printing. I can see this will be soooo useful in a few areas of my house and workshop
I think that starting the video with a little inventory of all parts that are going to be used would have been really helpful. Like how a Lego set or Ikea kit will lay out all of the included parts first.
Not even explaining the parts at all, just going over how many of x are used and how many of y are used. Could help categorize them as "these are stand-alone snaps", "these are folding snaps", "these are sides A and B of 2-part snaps", these three parts are for the sap pulling tool". Would also help introduce us all to the names and naming scheme, instead of feeling a bit like these parts and their names are just coming out of a hat as the video goes on. It would also give a good reference to refer back to when I'm trying to follow along and he pulls out a moderate weight bearing snap and I need to figure out what that is and how to tell it apart from the very similar regular single-part snap.
This would also make this much, much easier to follow along for people who aren't supporters. Which sounds like a good thing overall to me. But it's understandable if this was avoided to encourage people to support so that they have access to the pack. I would very much suggest doing this anyway if this was the case though because I believe missing this parts list and intro cheapens the experience for everyone, supporters like myself included.
Wow, I just joined the membership yesterday. And this video with Learning Pack gets released... Thank you so much !!!
what about weight distribution? is there an install video on how that works?..
4:04 Every chiropractor video ever.
Love the Multiboard idea. It would be great if the tile generator have a fusion 360 version too.
Bender at times are just not as stable as Fusion.
Thank you.
We don't quite have one due to the complexity of the different options, but with the STEP files we provide you're free to make one for your own use!
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I cant find anywhere that says what size screw its designed for for the wall mounting... #6 or #8? Pan Head or Flat?
Yeah, I printed a bunch of back plates and accessories but just kind of gave up. The system is a big messy confusion of difficult-to-remember parts. Looks great, but I don't know if I'll ever be able to make anything useful with it. Too confusing.
Hopefully once we're a little further along it'll be a bit easier to navigate. We're still very much in beta, and the site doesn't currently separate the "very useful general parts" from the "needed once in a blue moon specialty parts", but we're working on that! Feel free to follow along and we'll make it as clear as we can as improvements come to documentation and design refinement!
Why do the "normal snap" and "moderate weight-bearing snap" both exist? When would it be better to use the "normal" instead of just using the "moderate"?
The moderate snap is directional, and must be inserted by tilting it into place. The normal snap has no orientation. They're often used together so that one side is levered in (weight bearing) and the other side snaps into place (with the normal snap)! I recommend checking out the shelf video for context on that.
Is it ok to print this with PLA? Or is a more durable material recommended? (abs, PETG, CF, etc?)
We recommend PLA, PLA+, HTPLA, or another similar PLA filament as default. Others may work, but we don't officially test or support those.
I'm just exploring this, but will note that PLA doesn't resist creep very well. If the retention depends on parts remaining stable, and not slowly bending over time, PETG might be a better bet. It's a bit fussier to print, but it's good for interfaces that rely on friction fits. Not at all sure it matters in this system's designs.
For both demos & actual users, it would be nice to have dual-color printing options for any parts that have symbols. For example, having the weight bearing arrows printed in dark grey against the orange.
Specifically for these demos:
- It would be really useful if the "A" side pieces and the "B" side pieces were printed in different colors. (I'd suggest a different grey or black for the "A" side pieces.)
- It would be nice to have the parts' official names displayed on the screen when they're being introduced.
- Likewise, it would be nice to have better quality up-close images, or the CAD images of the parts that are shown on the corresponding kits' page when the part is being introduced
Still waiting on that installation video.......
By installation video, are you referring to a video showing the process of installing a multiboard on a wall?
Once screwed to the wall, how hard is it to expand the system? Can I easily add more panels without having to pull everything down?
You may want to adjust the mounts you have on the expanding edge, but there aren't any aspects of the files that disallow expansion!
You would simply pull the edge tiles and replace with more core tiles, and move the edge tiles to the new…well, edge. They have a designer tool now that shows you that any sizeable wall will be almost entirely core tiles, so it would just be a matter of moving the one edge
Im slightly confused by the mention of 0.25 mm tolerance. Is that a printer or slicer setting, or are you just saying thats how the parts were designed?
Does "Multi grid" mean Multibin?
Oop! Yes it does. We called it Multigrid before the last update!
I find this so confusing.
there's a pretty steep learning curve for sure. but personally i only use like 15% of the parts the vast majority of the time
I know it's a lot, but we really recommend messing around and checking out the community builds for a bit. It's a bit like lego- there are hundreds of odd and special parts, but most builds only use a few dozen 😅
This system looks amazing, but I’m a bit overwhelmed with all the parts needed and the terminology. Seems a bit too much for an organization system, but then again, they’ve really put a lot of thought into all the features. I printed the base boards and the starter pack and am gonna give it a try this weekend! I think once I put in the initial effort to learn the components, this system has a lot of potential.
Even he can’t remember the name of some of the parts or how they’re supposed to go 😂
The easier something is... The less control you have over it. This is a bit complex because it accommodates so much and is so flexible.
Learn the part you need... And discard the rest.
I like this system better than, say, Gridfinity (this system looks like it's more for vertical hangs, which Gridfinity is more for horizontal use.
I want to like this system but if the creator of the system barely can figure it out (not remembering the names and fumbling) what chance do we have? Why is it so complicated? HSW is simple, just remember the correct orientation of the actual honeycomb and you are off to the races, no multi part tomfoolery or complicated nonsensical names. Also, maybe give examples of how to use the T-bolts and all of the other parts shown here. its 24 minutes and have almost less knowledge than when I started. EDIT: maybe print parts in different colors to show the differences instead of being "this part and this part" say "The green one and the blue one are different because so and so"
Ultimately we have a little trouble with the vocabulary ourselves since we use many different names during development before we choose a final name for public release. This video is primarily meant to accompany people who have the printed kit in hand, so we try not to rely on color or other elements that might not match.
As for the complexity, it's primarily down to options. We try to provide just about every possible connection variant or niche part that might be useful, but it makes the initial experience quite... complicated looking. We're definitely working on separating parts into tiers of likely usefulness for most users, along with more specific instructions for general use. These learning packs are all about providing as many connection possibilities as possible so people can get a feel for all their options!
@@stellasfun Never let comments like this shame you. I've spent a life time working with developers and naming parts is the most challengoing in the early days. Live video throws a completely new challenge. Good work I will start mine tomorrow.
We don't have to deal with the other 10 proposed names for the same part that were scraped three days prior recording the video. 😅
his head is so small