FSX Tutorial: VOR Navigation
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
- Here's several practical ways to use VOR radio navigation to fly in poor visibility, or fly under Instrument Flight Rules (IFR) conditions. I explain and demonstrate the benefits and advantages of using VOR (the best I can!).
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DISCLAIMER: While this video is intended for educational purposes, I must stress that I am not a professional pilot or instructor and I am not certified in any way with regards to aviation or education. Every subject I talk about is based on my personal study and understanding. Therefore the information I give may be incorrect or inaccurate and should NOT be used as a reference for real world flying.
OH THERE IS A GOD! A VIDEO EXISTS THAT DOESNT START WITH "HI GUYS" - Great video, Clear, straight to the point and no rambling about cr*p. Excellent job!!!!
Finally, this isn't just misunderstandable crap. Thanks doofer
+David Roberts Thanks David, really glad my video could help!
Doofer911 it’s more than helpful, thank you! Your videos I think is the best aviation related content I have ever seen
Hi. Not a pilot but I was a helicopter aircrewmember for many years. A quick answer for your question in regards to "radial" and "bearing."
Think of "radial" and "bearing" as being a communicative way of an exact direction, versus an exact location. A bearing tells you which angle or way to go. A radial is the angle that comes of a directional NAV aid.
For example: If we are flying together on the same airplane and I want to tell you where the VOR is, I would say it is on a such and such bearing for X distance. If I wanted to tell you where I am and we were not in the same aircraft; you were in another airplane or location, I would say I am on the such and such radial from Y (the VOR or a known waypoint) for X distance (a location). This is more common in the military where you join up with other aircraft in-flight and you need more than just a compass heading (i.e. bearing).
That's very helpful! Thanks for clarifying that, I'm sure its easy for a lot of people to get lost in all the jargon with Radials, Bearings, Courses and Tracks. To be honest I'm not sure if I could accurately define and point out the differences in each of those :/
As I said, not an expert or pilot. But, a course is a simply a laid out plan of where you will go. A track is an identified area of airspace that has a path and altitude. For example a missed approach oval or an air refueling track.
I learned more here then I did from Rod Machado on FSX! Those lessons suck.
A bearing is going to a fix and a radial is going away from fix. Say you are heading N to the station N is the bearing. S would be the radial even though you are still heading N.
Look at a 360 degree compass to visualize it.
I was thinking of ALM flight that crashed near St Croix after attempting three approaches/landing and also the air inter flight that crashed in the Vosges moutain, both were attempting a safe approach and this video would have helped
If anyone would like to see a series of videos in which basic VOR navigation is used a lot, with explanations from accompanying real-world navigation charts, I recommend Phriq-O-Pher's series "Let's Play FSX: FSPassengers." It is a series of flights using the addon FSPassengers (unsurprisingly), and I found it the most helpful thing I've ever seen in terms of putting the knowledge contained here and in the FSX lessons into a consistent context. Great video @Doofer911 :)
Good stuff - a very useful well taught tutorial, ive saved this for when I've loaded up my 172
Wow, finally I understand this stuff! You are very good at explaining things in an easy way 👍
This is an excellent tutorial. Extremely clear, very well explained throughout. Great job - subscribed.
Great Detail! Yesterday I tried to fly VOR TO VOR on VATSIM, but I ended up using the headings in my Nav Log to sort-of "guess" my way to the specific VOR. I took some notes on your video, set up a flight, and boy was I glad I watched this! I fly over the VOR with 0.5nm of it, and ATC didn't need to give me any instruction until my approach. Amazing Video Doofer!
what is VATSIM?
I spent a long time looking for this specific tutorial, then added "Inverness" to the search and found it instantly :D
Wow...this is an amazing tutorial. I had an old coworker try to show me this when we were flying, but I never really got it. Now I did. I need more info on using it with autopilot, but this alone will help me with the “real life” part.
Glad the video could help! The best thing to do is just jump into the sim and mess about with it until everything finally "clicks" into place.
I gotta say Doofer.... your Flight Sim vids are the BEST!!!!! You make everything EXTREMELY easy to understand. Having MS FSX myself, your vids are custom made for me. Thank you SO VERY MUCH for taking the time to make all these wonderful vids my friend. May the Lord Jesus continue to bless you and your efforts in all that you do, now and forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Real-world student pilot here. Found this VERY helpful. It compliments what I've learned elsewhere. Thanks for posting!
Glad it was helpful!
Doofer, thank you genius man, you've simplified it beautifully. Some of the other videos out there on this topic truly hurt my brain. Here's to a nice glass of whisky for you followed by a generous serving of the haggis, neeps and tatties.
Thank you doofer. I learned so much from your videos! Very good presentation.
Just as a topic idea, you could show us how not to get lost flying in the polar regions where these nav aids might not work at all.
great tutorials, well done Doofer911 certainly helped me a lot Thanks
HI man! Thanks a lot. Finishing PPL Licence in a month here in Norway before starting ATPL Theory and hour building. Even If i am not flying IFR yet, but your videoes keep helping understanding the basics. It will help a lot for ATPL. :)
Well done Doofer. I'm a retired aircraft engineer taking up the flt. sim. I have all your lessons on favorites. You are an excellent instructor. (I'm practicing circuits & bumps @ your favorite airport with limited success)!! Thanks for your considerable efforts to teach us new fly-guys.
abs orton Hey Abs, welcome to the world of flight sim! Thanks for the compliment, I'm glad my videos make sense and are helping you learn the ropes.
Your tutorials made flight sim so much fun for me, not just fsx, xplane too.
I'm glad :) I studied real world techniques so give all flight simmers some more knowledge, regardless of whichever sim you play.
Some channels are Bible for new to aviation.This is one of them. Sometimes in wonder what if I had discovered this channel earlier. Keep'em coming !
That's very kind of you to say, thanks :)
You asked for suggestions for future videos. You might consider explaining Airfield height, barometric pressure, Mb and "Hg, and settings when flying between airfields of varying heights. Love your videos, really well done. Thanks
Hey there, i am a bit familiar with flying staff, learned from pilots, flight instructors, spent many(!) hours at youtube with other tutorials - BUT your kind of explanation is outstanding, you have a great talent to bring everything to the point, clear, easy to understand and sturtured as i never discovered it. You really should be a flight instructor!!! Many thanks for your videos and have a great time :-)
That's a very kind comment, thank you. Glad that all the time I've put into the videos has been worth it!
Now, I can do my cross country with full confidence.
Thanks doofer!
You videos are so easy to follow unlike some others from other youtube channels!
Thanks for the kind comment, I tried my best to try and simplify certain aspects.
That was great.
However the airport was in sight and I reckon all of us watching wanted you to grease in the landing.
Or not.!!
Excellent Video.
Thanks.
Really straight forward video! got to watch your other tutorials as well.
Glad you liked this one! :) Thanks for watching
Hey there,
One very important thing you're missing here is the Radial Interception Rules, which apply of course when you are flying on Controlled Airspaces, and that is to Intercept the radial from another one under some specific procedures.
This is a more complicated thing to understand, but a MUST DO when flying with VOR's.
These are divided by:
Inbound Interception
Outbound Interception
Crossing Interception
It'll be a great idea for you to dig into it and do a whole video on it!
Hope this was of help,
Big fan of your Videos!
I'll maybe consider covering some more complex topics or going into things in more detail if I ever have the chance to study those topics in real life going for a PPL or going for an Instrument Rating etc. My focus is just introducing these topics to flight simmers so they can expand their knowledge and skills within a flight simulator, my audience is not real world trainee pilots because I am not a pilot myself.
A great intro into VOR training for me. Thanks so much.
+Paulie Walnuts You're welcome Paulie
An excellent VOR tutorial. Thank you.
Thanks for you help, I couldnt understand it without your explanatory tutorial
My instructor told me to never ever turn the OBS dial on the VOR, but as always awsome video!
Thank you so much for the video, all other videos make the VOR sooo complicated
Thank you so much for this video. You have help me a lot for understanding VOR.
You're welcome, glad my video could help :)
Thanks for the helpful video. Nice and simply explained so even a helicopter pilot can understand ;) I'll watch your other tutorials now. Cheers mate.
I'm very grateful to have a real pilot of any sort watching my vids :)
Hellow Doofer.
It's about the question you asked in video.
Let,s start from bearing. You might have already clear concept about bearing that it is the RELATIVE POSITION from aircraft's position.Same applies here.
Now radial.
Imagine a wheel of bicycle.
Take it's center as "hub ". Take it's one aluminium spoke as "radial". It's direction goes from hub to the circumference of wheel
Very first spoke is 000 radial. Second one is 002 radial. This wheel has 360 radial spokes. Spokes always go from hub to the circumference of cycle and so does radial always go away form station
I'm not really good at explaining things. But let me know if this really worked out.
P.S. - Somewhere in physics my teacher told me that is always assumed away from center.
It was perfect way to teach
Thanks aloat for sharing your knowledge and the way and you are teaching
I'm glad the video could help, thanks for your kind comment :)
Thank you! Awesome video!
Great video bro , is there a way you could start in the middle of the sky like you have , if not where is your starting point ?
This is how I remember the difference between Bearing vs. Range. Think about the phrase 'bearing down on' (approaching) something; so 'bearing' is associated with flying TO the VOR. The 'radial' (actually, all of the radials) 'radiate from' the center of the VOR (the 'bicycle spoke' analogy) so 'radial' is associated with flying FROM the VOR.
I like that! Nice and simple!
I really have to appreciate your type of teaching, it helps me a lot!
I'm glad, I try to make my videos accessible to as many people as possible.
It was this simple and i was struggling like a pig!? Boy, i feel stupid. This is brilliant, Doofer. Thank you!
No worries, trying to learn about VOR is quite difficult at first, heck it has been one of the most difficult topics for me to learn but once you know how it works and how to use it, it's actually not that bad. But it can take a while for things to "click"... and I'm glad this video could help :)
keep this tutorials up man! the are really useful to noobs like me :)
looking forward to them:)
Hi.. Thanks for prompt reply.. watched your other video on VOR.. Would like to watch agagin and again till I can set the VOR myself while playing FAX simulator.. enjoyed your lucid commentary so clear with study modulation.
While You are showing with mouse arrow, can you please try with coloured Markings to follow more precisely. Keep it up.. want to see your other videos also.
I have a couple of questions for you. How do you know how to turn right or left? And how do you tell where you are in relation to the VOR.
Merry Christmas, Joss. And thank you for your videos.
Belated Merry Christmas to you! Hope you had a fantastic time, onwards and upwards to a happy and prosperous 2018 :)
Thank you very much, Joss. In addition to having a Prosperous 2018, I want to learn more and more from your videos. I am flying an X-Plane 11 Cessna and the joy I get from it is fabulous. Keep up with your excellent teachings. Larissa.
I'm glad my videos can help you explore the joy of flying! If you think simming is fun, try and do a trial flying lesson in a real aircraft! The sense of freedom when flying for real is amazing!
Another super tutorial, my guess is you are or should be a licensed Pilot Instructor. You've certainly made my FSX flying experience a much easier and enjoyable one. Thank you !
+Song Sungblue I'm really glad my videos have helped! My dream job was to be a commercial pilot but sadly I am not able to meet the medical requirements. I would love to earn a PPL in the future though, one of my biggest dreams.
+Doofer911, I can totally relate to what your having to live with, I to have had a passion for real flying since I was a Kid and started gluing model aircraft together and later as a teen receiving an A on an essay I wrote on the Wright Brothers and the early years of flying. However I felt I needed to choose something I would make my family proud of instead and would make more money then a private pilot might and that was to become the 3rd generation Truck driver of my family so a few years after High School I enrolled in a Tractor Trailer driving school instead and over a period of 15 years became quite successful and even started my own company owning 4 trucks. I was a good driver, I would stay out 2-3 months at a time and dive over 100,000 miles a year. All that came to an abrupt end however. After Hurricane Katrina hit the gulf coast. I wanted to help, so I leased on to a company that was contracted to haul supplies strictly to Louisiana and Mississippi coastal areas and Not only was I making good money but really felt good about helping so many people that needed help the most. Except I was pushing myself to hard and then one night I found myself heading back out to pickup a return load of generators and fell asleep on a rainy and very dark stretch of Louisiana highway after being up for 76 hours without any. Luckily it was around 2 am. and my semi was the only vehicle involved. The cops estimated I was doing around 70 mph when I went off the road and rolled my truck down an embankment into a shallow swamp. Longer story shortened, I wound up disabled with a permanent and inoperable back injury that leaves me in constant pain, and the inability to walk or stand longer then about ten minutes and that with a few other health issues has left me with nothing more then with a low income apartment and a 14 year old car that I drive less then 700 miles a year now. My only window that allows me to see the world now comes from a computer I built and a older model 40" flat screen TV I wired to it for a monitor which has Google earth and FSX and allows me to virtually see the places I visited years ago and a few more I haven't. My Doctors are even happy I have found such a great avenue to take my mind off my physical issues and have encouraged me to keep getting into FSX so I do and it really helps pass the time and forget some of the cards real life has dealt. I usually don't tell personal things on line but this time I felt like I needed to let someone like you know your not alone . Especially as long as you keep putting out such good tutorials, Who knows I may become almost as good a FSX pilot as you and a few others I've seen. One things for sure I'll never come close to being as good of an instructor as you are. Just a little side note, some years ago I once met a man in a truck stop that had only been driving a couple years. He showed me his commercial pilot's license and a ID card with his photo he had when he worked for American Airlines (I think it was American or United, it's been so long). He told me how he had flown all over the world for several years and some of the different places he had been. I asked him why he would ever leave such a great life and trade that in for a lesser paying trucking life. He looked at me and smiled and said the entire time he was flying he wonder what the world looked like from below the clouds. I have often thought about that brief encounter and wondered if he ever came to realize like I'm sure a lot of FSX and real pilots have that the world looks like a much nicer place from up there then it does down here in a lot of places and that it's easier to forget all the pain and ugliness that goes on below when your above the clouds. Take care my friend and if you ever see the tail Id : OLDDOG1 on a FSX plane that'll be me, I don't do much multi-player yet but after a few more of your lessons, who knows
+Song Sungblue Wow Song, firstly thank you for having the confidence to share such a personal story. I'm honored that you would choose me and the fellow viewers of my channel to share this with. I'm so sorry to hear about your accident. I don't know about the trucking/haulage industry but from what I understand, drivers are usually under a lot of pressure to make deliveries on time. But 76 hours, man I can't imagine how tough that must have been for you and everything afterwards.
I like you have been fascinated by Aviation from a young age. After reading your story I feel very fortunate that my limitation to becoming a pilot is relatively small, I suffer from a mild form of color blindness which would prevent me becoming a commercial pilot, however I could still earn a private pilots license and only fly in the daytime and in good weather.
I'm so glad that FSX is an avenue for you to escape reality and again I'm proud that my videos are helping you expand on this hobby. What I do want to say though is.... don't feel like you're confined to your apartment. I mean I know it's easy for me to say because I haven't had the experiences you have. I mean you've travelled hundreds of thousands of miles, you've started and run your own company, you can teach people about the trucking industry. I know your injuries limit you but you could still talk to a local flight school and have them take you up in a plane and give you a tour. There's still a ton of opportunities available for you to enjoy life. I hope that you don't feel like you're stuck that's all. Thank you again for taking the time to share your story.
J
Good content man👌🏾
Short and sweet!
Very helpful thank you so much!
i love fly VOR, btw well explained awesome
Thank you for the video. Just a quick question. In the wind correction, the VOR and Heading needles dont need to point in the same direction? Is it enough just to keep VOR needle straight?
Thanks for these vids. Currently taking that Cessna you're flying from Friday Harbor into Canada, cross Canada to the east coast and while I have _some_ idea of IFR navigation, these vids are gold. As for the 2nd indicator, I have no idea if this is common practice but I use it a lot for triangulation when there is no DME around. Now how to free up a hand for radio navigation when flying the helicopter lol.
+whocareswho I'm pretty sure the 2nd VOR is used for triangulation although with modern commercial aircraft, you're predominantly using GPS navigation. Still, it's great knowledge to have in my opinion, rather than punching a few numbers into a computer and letting it do all the work.
+Doofer911 Totally agree. While I do use the GPS in some flights out of sheer convenience, radio nav is definitely more fulfilling and fun.
Another awesome video -- thanks a lot!!!!!
You're welcome, glad you liked it :)
can you please explain how to set up a full autopilot and ILS approach in this aircarft- thanks
great job! you got a subscriber,and a knack for teaching,keep goin:)
ibanez3644 Thanks for the kind comment! Got a few more videos in the pipeline!
The Greatest explanation! Bravo author
Glad you liked the video :)
Being an airline pilot on A320 I do really enjoy your videos (some things I didn't know before, some things need to be revised)..... If you need some useful info about flying A320 family you are welcome too;)
a great video . thanks
Great video, thanks mate.
Glad you liked it, thanks for watching :)
Nice video mate! 👍
Glad you liked it! :)
Good video!
excellent video thanks, i learned so much from you :) subscribed
You're welcome, glad you could learn from my video :D
Great video. I understand flying from VOR to VOR, but I cannot get navigating from VOR to airport for landing. Meaning that when I set the airport ILS freq on NAV1 then the horizontal OBS needle shows G/S correctly but the vertical one jumps away to some weird position and when I turn OBS (no matter if left or right) it does not react at all. Tested twice on Munich-Salzburg flight. Any idea what I do wrong? I was trying to not use autopilot NAV or APP buttons but only heading and do the rest manually.
That was great, thanks.
Great stuff
Very good video ! Tks!
You're welcome, thanks for watching :)
Thanks for the video
Can you show us VOR and DME for a B737?
great video
The pulsating wave and the master signal are known as variable and reference phases
Great content. At marker 10:50, you indicate to adjust the heading to the right- how do you know how far to adjust the heading?
It was just an approximate 30 degree turn to the right. There wasn't any logic behind it other than to intercept the radial.
Dear Doofer, What is the level of REALISM you use in your flights?. I mean, the realism settings for stress, crash detection, etc. ?
Vito Oporto It depends on the aircraft you a flying, the Microsoft aircraft you can use default, or your own preference, for payware aircraft like A2A, they usually tell you in the manuals what realism to use... Based on their testing.
what sim is this if i may ask
Thid is an awesome tutorial. Thanks a lot! I want to fly for a living, and will attend a flying school after I graduate from college in 2 years, so I clock a lot of FSX :) Thanks to you I fully understand the VOR, at least in a Cessna. I have a question though, In a bigger plane, say, a 737, how does the environment change? do we hate the same panels or do they look slightly off?
+Berkesontv Ah good luck with that career! I wanted to become a pilot too but I wouldn't have passed the medical requirements sadly. In bigger planes you have something called a Horizontal Situation Indicator which looks a little different. I did a video on one here: ua-cam.com/video/dAD6F5A-7yg/v-deo.html
I've also got a video coming tomorrow which will show VOR work in more detail so keep an eye out for that ;)
+Doofer911
The video is great thanks. As far as not passing a medical have you looked into a waiver. I had a heart attack and got a first class medical. it took some work and a lot of changes in my lifestyle but my heart is doing great and they cleared me. I also were glasses. I am going through a University program for my ATP and I have been using the sim for practice. It has helped me get familiar with navigation and the computers. I fly a Cessna SP with a G1000 at school and a 152/172 with steam gauges locally. I still have a ways to go yet I am just finishing up my instrument now. The Sims a great for getting used to programing the flight director, going over checklists. And in replying to the person that asked how the were compared to the airlines believe it or not the G1000 will do most everything except auto throttle. it is pretty slick. as far a radial and bearing it lets you know what side your on so there is no confusion. 90 vs 270. people interchange them and it leads to confusion.
your videos are good keep them up
thanks
Doofer911 I really want to have aviation as my career because I have loved planes from the ages of four and I’m twenty years old still loves aircraft. I understand nearly most of the topics in aviation and aircraft. From basic flight controls to complex traffic patterns. Your teaching is on another level. Love your videos best aviation related content I have ever seen!! Keep it up man it’s really awesome
@@ahmadtheaviationlover1937 you seem to have the vocabulary for a tower controller though
@@MarcDufresneosorusrex thanks man I appreciate your comment!
Very helpful thanks dude
I'm glad the video could help :)
How often would commercial airliners use this VOR navigation?
I just program my flight plan into the FMC and away I go.
I'm assuming that VOR navigation is just for the smaller planes like a Cessna that don't have an FMC?
Thanks for the great video though!! Very helpfull.
VOR navigation was the commercial flight standard before Flight Computers took over. A lot of planes used to have a dedicated Navigator on board so the Pilots could focus on keeping the plane flying while the Navigator made sure it was going in the right direction. Pilots will still need to know and understand VOR navigation because Flight Computers do use VOR stations to cross-check the aircraft's position with GPS readings and other things.
Doofer911. Thanks for the info!
Mike Hamel
Both can use it but I believe if u mean jets, they have to go by ifr but vor can help on approach
In which area were you flying ?
Hey Doofer, great videos I don’t get a Morse code sound like you do any idea?
You will need to switch on the Nav1 or Nav2 button on the radio stack which will allow you to receive and hear the morse code identifiers.
I am an avid simmer and I had not understood the use of the VOR at all!!! After watching your vid, I am practicing intercepting, and flying by them. Its not really as hard as its understood to be. I wonder, do airliners use VOR at all? is VOR usage isolated to GA and charters? Thanks for another great vid doofer.
Yeah airlines still use VORs a lot. Their onboard computers are constantly monitoring the plane's position using ADF's, VOR/DME and GPS technology at the same time and most of this is automated to keep the plane flying along it's intended route. I know in America that they're phasing out VOR stations now because GPS technology is becoming the primary navigation method but some stations will be kept around for backups I'd imagine.
For the wind correction angle, wouldn't you just tune to your closest weather station, look up wind speed and direction, and do an E6B calculation to determine what the correct angle would be for that wind vector?
Yeah definitely! That could be a better method as you will figure out the Wind correction angle quicker rather than constantly re-adjusting to hold a Radial. I'm not a real pilot though so I can't say for certain
Thank you very much for these tutorials , i just have a question,is it possible to use the E6B computer to calculate the heading for VOR navigation as we use it for dead reckoning ? I mean that would be much easier than keep trying to get the wind correction heading .😁
Thanks in advance 👌
I can't see why not.
Hi Doofer. Followed your VOR tutorial which I liked very much. However, trying to apply it to quite a challenging landing on a dusty runway track from CNM (VOR 116.30) to NM47 (airport) and this seems pretty tough and cant seem to get it right following your guidelines. Any video or advice you can make on it? Thnx
The only thing I could reccomend is to calculate the distance from the VOR to the NM47 airport and use the VOR to get you over your destination airport. Then you'd have to land visually if there's no VOR at your destination
can i use vor navigation to fly to a destination 119. miles away or would i use adf flight? i'm a raw newbie and am trying my best to watch and synthaise your great videos. thanks for having made them.
Yep, normally when navigating over a longer distance you fly from one VOR to the next, or one from VOR to ADF to VOR etc. Both a VOR and ADF help you navigate in poor visibility or over a longer distance.
Hello Doofer911 (or anyone else reading this post for that matter!) This is an excellent video that clearly explains how the VOR and OBS work, so many thanks :)
I have one question though - in previous versions of FS there was a constant problem of 'reverse sensing' or 'backcoursing' making the VOR gauges difficult to interpret. I have read elsewhere that most modern navigation aids have overcome this, but there are still some in the world where this occurs.
Could anyone please explain if this happens at all in FSX, and if so, how to deal with it? It was a real problem for me before.
Many thanks :)
I think once you have an understanding how reading "TO" and "FROM" a VOR then you'll understand how the instrument interacts with the station. Back-course is a term used to basically fly "the wrong way" along a localiser. For example, an airport may only have one ILS system for one end of a runway, and not the other. That means you could perform an ILS landing on one end of the runway only. However you could perform a "Back Course" approach and make a landing on the opposite end of the runway by using the same ILS signal but as I said, flying the wrong way along it to end up at the opposite end of the runway to the system.
Thanks Doofer
To clarify my query further, your demonstration here is very concise, however you already know your position relative to the VOR station. The problem I was having before was when you don't know your location relative to it, ie. you don't know if you're flying TO or FROM it. When this is the case, as a novice, I found that there was no way to know this other than to lock onto it with the OBS and see what happens - Sod's Law always says that it's the opposite of what you think, therefore the OBS reads back-to-front, confusing the hell out of you until you realise it is reverse sensing and you move the OBS to suit.
So, does this still happen in FSX, or is there a way to always make it always show it correctly? Short of going into the GPS map to clarify your position, I can't see there is a way, however please advise. Thanks :)
Ah yeah got you now. No I don't think there's a way to resolve that. As I understand it, that's accurate behavior of the VOR and OBS/CDI. I get confused myself with the needle moving in the opposite direction that you expect.
neo196910 Im not a pilot, but here is how I understand VOR, maybe it helps.
Adjust your OBS such that the "from" indicator is showing and the vertical needle is in line. The radial that you found is the correct heading if you were to fly away from the VOR. You now absolutely know that, if you fly that heading, you will fly away from the VOR.
Now if you turn the plane 180 without adjusting the OBS, you will be flying towards the VOR while the indicator is showing "from", and this is what gives the reverse indication. To correct this if you actully want to fly towards the VOR, you want to turn the OBS until the "to" indicator is showing and the needle is in line. Now the indication needle will work like expected.
To make things simple: the needle will only work in reverse if you are flying the opposite way that you have chosen on the VOR.
Hey Doofer, am I correct in saying that a radial is a direction FROM a VOR? For instance, the 0 degree radial means I am on a direction of North from the VOR.
Yep, exactly!
Tracking a vor can be a pain. As you get closer to the vor your tracking gets harder because the signal is getting narrower. Take the flight lessons in FS Rod Machado is awsome. greaat tutorial
Yeah, it's certainly a challenge in a simulator, can't imagine what it's like in a real aircraft with a needle which could sway from side to side with aircraft movement as well.
Doofer911 they are probably using auto pilot.
I can understand why you would want to fly to a VOR but why would you want to fly away from one? Thanks for the videos. As I am inside more because of the virus issue I am finally putting some time in on FSX.
fcreason If your destination doesn’t have a VOR, you might want to follow the radial from the closet VOR to your destination.
why does some your old vídeos has a light gray stripes in a black screen slide? great vídeo btw.
That's just the background... it's meant to be a gentle black to grey fade however once the video has processed, it comes out looking like stripes.
Watch this video twice. Finally get it. Thanks.
Will the autopilot NAV do wind correction itself automatically?
Yes it will :)
Thanks. I would like to know what flying away from a VOR means. The VOR station a point on the map, so it is easy to understand we try to navigate and go to that point.
But when we leave that point, why there is still a navigation function? Whatever which heading we leave from the VOR, it is still directly away from the station, right? I cannot really get that concept...
Sorry for my bad English I do not know how to express what I think... Can you get what I mean? :(
Thanks!
Remember that VORs have 360 "spokes" (radials). In order to navigate as instructed in an arrival or departure chart for example, it may be required of you to fly away from a VOR on a particular radial for a set number of nautical miles, then turn and fly to another VOR on a different radial. Imagine two VORs with a mountain in between them. You would want to fly away from one on one course for a set number of miles, then make a turn and fly to the second one on a different course (you would intersect a radial on that VOR). Similar to a V shape. Go to skyvector.com, chose an airport like KLAS, then open some of the STAR charts and you will see examples.
Thanks!! I would like to know more about navigation.
Is ADF a must to fly according to the chart? Do all aircraft have ADF eqipped? Thanks?
I al looking to buy a flight simmulator for my Imac. Can I connect a joystick and pedals to my mac to operate this software? How much is it and where can I download it? Thank you
I don't think FSX is available or compatible with Macs I'm afraid.
can anyone help me.doofer911 said i need to get intouch with the developer of the game to sort my radio stack blanked out problem.has anyone got the contact details..ive googled everything and im getting nowere..thanks
Before I was confused flying to or from
Bit confusing first says needles dont move when lane turns, at the end of vid plane turns and needles move!
You do awesome tutorials, but in this one you say the vertical line dows "not" move as you turn the plane, but I see that it "does" move. Thou I am a bit confused here why you say it doesn't move? Watch it again and see it move at the bottom (vertical angling from bottom to top).(time index of this comment with video is 8:05 minutes).
Doofer911, quick question. Is VOR similar to ILS? Can we use VOR to auto land?
Sort of, ILS uses VOR technology although VOR does not give you Vertical Guidance.
Hey thanks a ton. You're of great help. Cheers!!!
I don't understand how does the difference between the two signals help know an aircrafts bearing relative to the VHF station! Like if it is two seconds diffidence, how does this indicate the bearing. Bearing is heading, right?
The time difference between the two signals allows the aircraft to calculate it's Bearing from the VOR Station. Bearing is the position of one object to another, related to Magnetic North. Heading is the direction the nose of a plane is facing.
Is there a situation where I would prefer flying by ADF instead of VOR? It seems, from a newbie's perspective, that VOR is objectively better.
Not really. ADF's are an older form of radio navigation. VOR navigation was developed some years after ADF as you rightly have recognized, VORs are far superior. ADF's are being phased out of real world aviation nowadays but you may still want to use one as a waypoint if there's no VORs in a good location for your flight. You could also use ADFs to cross-check your position if you're flying IFR.
Hi sir, i need answer as soon as possible if possible haha... How can i do this VOR approach in Aerosoft Airbus? because in this video, the aircraft is a Cessna
Same principles apply if you do it manually ;)
The signals are Radiated AWAY from the VOR. Hence flying a RADIAL when flying FROM it. When flying TO the VOR it's called a COURSE. Hence the CDI is a COURSE indicator.
Can you please explain why did you fly away from the VOR vertical needle on the northeast heading? shouldn't this only happen when your plane position is on the north side and flying to the south heading?
Could you let me know what time in the video I do that? Just so I can re-watch it and explain properly :)
at 10:47 you said to turn the plane toward the needle. but my question is, when does the reverse sensing apply to the needle which we need to fly away from the CDI needle instead of towards it. thx
Some questions: Why is there a second vor indicator (between the one you use and above the adf indicator) and why is it showing another position when it starts working at around 17:30? And I also wonder, if I fly a plane, how do I find my way to places that have no vor indicator for example, if I want to fly over my hometown and a few towns further where some family lives? I am a bit new to instrument navigation so sorry if these questions seem stupid. Have a nice day.
+Robert Deroyer Not silly questions at all! So the first VOR can be used to navigate AND do something called a precision approach towards a runway in bad weather, also known as an ILS approach. You'll notice that this has a horizontal bar whereas the second VOR doesn't. The second VOR can only be used to navigate.
You can also use two VOR's to navigate to an area where there isn't any VOR and I've got a tutorial at this link here ua-cam.com/video/KAJWu7wqQBc/v-deo.html so you can see how to do that. That should answer any questions about navigating to an area with no navaids or radio beacons.
As for the secondary VOR changing near the end of the video, I actually cut the video to a different recording there and I guess that as I was setting up the plane to get it into the right position for the demonstration, I must have used the secondary VOR which is why it's in a different position.
Hope that helps :)
+Doofer911 Thank you, I understand but I will have to practice to get the habbit.
Robert Deroyer also, enroute, one cdi is tuned to a vor that determines an airway. the other cdi is tuned to a second vor, indicating an airway intersection.