Yes, fully appreciate these insights. Thanks for doing a comparable product analysis also (this isn’t in the same range as a 16S or a monster pro). I’m upgrading into the v12-RS market.
Hi Zen, I think it's a valid point that you made regarding the V11. I think alot of people had problems with them and couldn't get them timely repaired. That alone would make me hold off immediately buying their next wheel. So it will be interesting to see how this new wheel pans out with reliability and support.
Thanks for the vid! Makes me want a skydio, even tho they went insane on the price jump. Of course, I've more trees around here. I think your 3 reasons seemed fairly valid. Lots of good wheels to choose from, lots of decent wheels too.
I've always loved drones. But there's alot of responsibility. Laws, rules, regulations drove me away from it. Lots of hoops to jump thru- and understandably so. U may record something that could get u in alot of trouble
Great feedback, I would like to ride this one as I had the pleasure to use the Speedyfeet Kingsong 16X for 2 weeks and found it to be a great wheel. The V12 is just a look I like and it looks like its well put together. We will see when they arrive here in the UK. Exciting times.
I'm thinking to get the latest batch of the rs 19 ht for my first euc.... do you think it's a good first round euc for someone who's 6'4 and mainly using it off road? I don't want to be having maintenance issues either do you know if its durable enough for a few bumps and crashes thanks for the vid
I own a v11 and am always hitting the max speed limit and always getting tilt back so I need to upgrade my wheel. My question to you is what advice would you give to me about getting a Begode Master or the InMotion v13? I really love your master videos and the wheel looks amazing but it’s not durable or waterproof like the v13…..so which wheel do you think would be good for me? I have over 3k miles on my v11 so I’m not a noob lol. Thanks 🤙🏼
@@ZenLee ya I thinking about getting the Sherman Max, plenty of speed and it’s really durable and reliable. I can customize the heck out of it and it’s in stock at eWheels so I’m really leaning towards it. Do you have an affiliate link for eWheels so you get a kickback?
Zen bud, you got my respect! Honesty is the best policy's great as a proverb but most fail to live up to it. We blame & almost always blame others. GW blaming is fashionable currently (for good reason on somethings admittedly) but not when its our own fault & a lot of the time, its our own fault. I'm very impressed to hear it from you & for me, it makes your words believable & trustable (hopefully😅). Subscribed!
I don't need suspension, so cheaper production cost is good. I like the available speed, and I will decide how fast to go safely. I like the waterproofing, and after seeing a disassembly, it looks well designed inside. The range is good for my needs, so if the quality proves to be OK, it looks like my next wheel... if £ inflation doesn't make it too expensive!
I would add: the 4 screws look very thin to hold a footplate. I think in time these screws will snap. Especially with heavier guys jumping. Only time will tell.
Screws are not used as you think. They are just here to apply a load on the surfaces where the adjustable pedals and the hangers meet. The fiction due to the tension of the screws is what's holding it together, plus the actual groove that stops it from slipping if not torqued down properly. They are not loaded by shear forced but only by tensile forces. Therefore it is very unlikely that they will fail.
Lots of different offroad tracks, if it's not technical(don't need to jump or worry about suspension rods scraping) then I'd take the EX. 3500W motor 2700Wh battery Suspension. Have some videos upcoming and previous if interested.
hmmm two totally different wheels, I'd go with the OG Sherman personally bigger tire and more range. But if you want something more sleek and lightweight V12.
The Nikola also to consider, same 16x3 Tire as 16X, V12, and Nikola. Nikola and V12 can go 40~, King Song locked at 31mph. Nikola was my first wheel, about 10k miles no issues. I do prefer the 18 inch wheels now for more stability. The RS is solid right now. Can find using my links above with discount code 'zen' applied 🙏🙏 feel free ask specific questions about any model you like.
I heard there is no suspension, I'm considering switching from my onewheel to EUC just because the bumps on the road are a pain. V11 have a suspension but V12 doesn't? How's the comfort factor on this thing?
V11 and EX are very comfortable suspension EUCS. Posted a video of the EX today. I really like suspension and it helps me a lot with comfort and even turning tighter.
The EX is the best suspension wheel by far, however it's one of the most expensive. Really, most wheels with a 16x3 tire or above are very stable- I would suggest the EX.N, it cruises right over bumps at 40+ mph, and you can cruise at those speeds for ~50 miles. It's also a great wheel to learn on, the shell is really durable for a GotWay.
It maybe not softer than others, but the number of cases seem to be more with this device, could be wrong. Mine was dented so bad the repair shop I normally use to fix rims couldn't fix it.
My 16x feels like its built like a tank. Its been dropped and rolled so many times and has scuffs all over and still runs like a champ. Im trying to decide on which 2nd wheel to buy. I just hope its as tough as the 16x
Great video mate, never buy first batch of Any EUC. Wait and see, there are errors on most first batch wheels. I love My v11 after the change of bearings. I totally agree 16" wheels are not a stable as 18".
Was the trolley handle not locked down in the 4:00 area when you were off road? It was bouncing around over the bumps. Also, I've got over 500 miles on my V11 without any issues at all, but I'm not too rough with it. Mainly paved surfaces and smooth trails.
I agree, my V11was bad out of the box bad control board. Definitely do not by from EUCO, THEY MADE ME PAY FOR SHIPPING BACK AND A RETURN 174.00 for a wheel that was acting up out of the box. The kicker is they don’t have the control boards in stock, I have to wait for those to come in and then a week of travel back to NY. SO I PUCHASED ON 5/11 and I can’t ride until god knows when. Very bad experience with this company, would never buy from again.
That's rough! If it's bad out of the box, that should be covered by the company, BUT I don't think this policy is not exclusive to EUCO. Would recommend trying Alienrides.com or Revrides.com - haven't had any issue with them. Link is in description can use discount code 'zen' as well for $50 off.✌ This is my main worry of the V12, many units not working out the box and creating a bad release and experience for everyone.
FWIW, this is a video using a poor prototype of the wheel. Final production is zipped up and good to go. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but this doesn’t exactly showcase what’s real…
I don't like this one Zen. The V11 is an amazing wheel - you've said it yourself more than once. You're really stretching the truth to pull a 180 and call it a 'fail'. You rode the V11 ten times rougher than 99% of other users and constantly smashed it rocks etc etc - let's be honest: you were cruel to that wheel. The S18 or EX or almost any other wheel wouldn't have stood up to that punishment either. Essentially you were trying to use a top-of-the-line Cadillac as a crappy Dune Buggy. Lastly: I swapped my V11 tire this weekend and it took a long time but it was pretty easy, there are just more screws than other wheels - if you know how to work an electric screwdriver you're going to be okay fixing the V11 (and I never had a reason to open mine until I had rode it hard for 2500km, its been really durable). PS: the V12 is a useless wheel, I will only buy 18" or larger suspension wheels going forward.
First off, really appreciate your thoughts/comment. The V11 is my favorite offroading EUC, but the 1st and 2nd batches have been a disaster. When the V11 was released, I was working at eWheels, my own personal issues are but a small fraction of the the communities issues with this wheel from bad boards, bearing issues, and lack of parts to repair. Just because the V11 performs well and feels great riding, doesn't mean it's release went well, and its not easy to get parts or support for it. I'm glad your enjoying and taking care of it as one should. My point with the V11 to V12 comparison, is the release portion. Is the V12 going to have bearing issues, control board issues, problems getting parts similar to how the V11 did? Only time will tell. PS: I mostly agree
MSD can you share more thoughts on why you’d only get an 18 inch wheel or suspension? I have a 16s and am thinking about getting v12 next year probably as a replacement (though the huge weight difference may make me keep the 16s for some use cases). Even if I stay at around 25-28mph on the v12 I’ll appreciate and feel safe knowing that I’m nowhere near its limits.
@@seattleraf An 18" will beat a 16" in almost every way. The 16" is only better for tight turns. On 18" you can go faster, safer, and more comfortably. As for suspension: once you get used to it there is no going back. All top-end wheels will have it in the future. It is just better, and very addictive as well as a huge safety feature. Every bump on the road makes you sad when you try going back to non-suspension. For the same reasons you want it on your car, your truck, your motorcycle, your train, your snowmobile.. etc etc: Suspension is essential.
A super powerful torquey wheel is exactly what the UEC crowd has been asking for. This was designed for the NYC crowd, as evX contributed to the development.
@@evXNYC Only what I see in your guys videos, lots of people crashing and getting hurt due to poor road conditions, makes me think a bigger wheel with suspension would be better than a Nikola with raised pedals.
So many pros and cons and people who are on one side vs the other. Such a tossy turny hobby not sure what to believe or not making me think i shouldnt buy any wheel lmao cant find anything good to buy mid range not over 1500. Maybe used market but thats so iffy to been skimming fb euc page and see, "100miles new out the box, oh and i took it apart waterproofed it and redid the bearings with better grease". Like bro why is anyone taking apart a barely used wheel messing with shit remindes me of buying a manual car everyone raced or tuned or modified it. Damnit
The hobby is definitely not for everyone, there is no perfect wheel yet, and they are pretty expensive for most people. It's all about finding the right wheel for your use case.
Working on 3 reasons not to buy Tesla, Mcm5, Sherman, and EX. If you like these type of videos let me know.
Very well made video thank you :)
Great video. I totally agree with all 3 reasons. I’ll play the waiting game as well. Thank you.
Yes, fully appreciate these insights. Thanks for doing a comparable product analysis also (this isn’t in the same range as a 16S or a monster pro). I’m upgrading into the v12-RS market.
Saving you all 8 minutes of rambling, the 3 reasons start at 7:55.
gave you your 10th sub 😏nice rides!
#epiccomeback🥶
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Here for the Rambles 😁
thanks for cutting the rambling
V11 fail? Def not in my book. Flawless 1700 miles so far.
The drone footage is really awesome ! Thx for sharing your thoughts on that wheels.
Glad you liked it!
Glad I bought my EXN through Alienrides for that 2 yr warranty. 💥 Great video!
thinking about getting one...but really liking my EX already.
Hi Zen, I think it's a valid point that you made regarding the V11. I think alot of people had problems with them and couldn't get them timely repaired. That alone would make me hold off immediately buying their next wheel. So it will be interesting to see how this new wheel pans out with reliability and support.
Yes, that's my main issue, not a bad wheel, but will there be support or parts when you need it.
I would get a new wheel, my first wheel is the 16x. I wanted to buy a v12 but with your comments I was worried. Would you go with bedoge t4? thanks
>Talking about safety and getting hurt
>Forgot to close kickstand while offroading
Interesting.. thanks!.. Also.. What drone are you using? It does a good job of following you there!
The skydio2, amazing drone
Thanks for the vid! Makes me want a skydio, even tho they went insane on the price jump. Of course, I've more trees around here. I think your 3 reasons seemed fairly valid. Lots of good wheels to choose from, lots of decent wheels too.
wow, that is a big jump in price. well worth imo! Thanks for the comment, really appreciate it.
helpful review.... btw what kind of helment are you wearing?
Thanks! Avitar 2
Awesome video 👍 but what was the solution on fixing the reverse glitch in the V12 you are having?
No idea, they had me send it to next person not sure if they did anything with it
@@ZenLee hopefully it was just that wheel ✌️
Love the drone work with your vids I may have to invest in one lol
Go for it! Skydio 2 prices been on the rise, been a great investment so far. Thinking of doing review for it if interested?
I've always loved drones. But there's alot of responsibility.
Laws, rules, regulations drove me away from it.
Lots of hoops to jump thru- and understandably so. U may record something that could get u in alot of trouble
@@ZenLee I'm definitely interested in a skydio 2 review
Great feedback, I would like to ride this one as I had the pleasure to use the Speedyfeet Kingsong 16X for 2 weeks and found it to be a great wheel. The V12 is just a look I like and it looks like its well put together. We will see when they arrive here in the UK. Exciting times.
Good choice!
Bro! Now i want one!! 👍🏼
Great info on the V12ZEN.
I'm thinking to get the latest batch of the rs 19 ht for my first euc.... do you think it's a good first round euc for someone who's 6'4 and mainly using it off road? I don't want to be having maintenance issues either do you know if its durable enough for a few bumps and crashes thanks for the vid
yes, great choice!
I own a v11 and am always hitting the max speed limit and always getting tilt back so I need to upgrade my wheel. My question to you is what advice would you give to me about getting a Begode Master or the InMotion v13? I really love your master videos and the wheel looks amazing but it’s not durable or waterproof like the v13…..so which wheel do you think would be good for me? I have over 3k miles on my v11 so I’m not a noob lol. Thanks 🤙🏼
been sifting through comments all weeks, a bit late getting to yours, did you already decide?
@@ZenLee ya I thinking about getting the Sherman Max, plenty of speed and it’s really durable and reliable. I can customize the heck out of it and it’s in stock at eWheels so I’m really leaning towards it. Do you have an affiliate link for eWheels so you get a kickback?
@@ZenLee no worries about responding late, you a busy content creator, comes with the territory of being busy lol
@@ChrisTorina1 I don't, I would consider getting the Commander from AR, on black Friday, its going on huge sale
What are those knee pads? Any chance you can provide a link?
They're great! amzn.to/2SZgy0q
Hey bud just went to Alien Rides and bought the Tesla V3 using your discount name. Enjoy the kickback 😎
Enjoy! If you're ever in Vegas lets roll!
Zen bud, you got my respect! Honesty is the best policy's great as a proverb but most fail to live up to it. We blame & almost always blame others. GW blaming is fashionable currently (for good reason on somethings admittedly) but not when its our own fault & a lot of the time, its our own fault. I'm very impressed to hear it from you & for me, it makes your words believable & trustable (hopefully😅). Subscribed!
I don't need suspension, so cheaper production cost is good. I like the available speed, and I will decide how fast to go safely. I like the waterproofing, and after seeing a disassembly, it looks well designed inside. The range is good for my needs, so if the quality proves to be OK, it looks like my next wheel... if £ inflation doesn't make it too expensive!
I would add: the 4 screws look very thin to hold a footplate. I think in time these screws will snap. Especially with heavier guys jumping. Only time will tell.
Lol they are steel, and I tried to snap them. They won’t. It’s well engineered
Screws are not used as you think. They are just here to apply a load on the surfaces where the adjustable pedals and the hangers meet. The fiction due to the tension of the screws is what's holding it together, plus the actual groove that stops it from slipping if not torqued down properly. They are not loaded by shear forced but only by tensile forces. Therefore it is very unlikely that they will fail.
I just saw a 5yr old riding a v12, so that means a beginner like me can learn use it as my first euc right?
maybe :)
What drone were you using?
skydio2 good sir
What kind of drone are you using?
skydio 2 good sir, will make review on it soon
So what is your fave offroad wheel right now? What has the range and can take a beating?
Lots of different offroad tracks, if it's not technical(don't need to jump or worry about suspension rods scraping) then I'd take the EX. 3500W motor 2700Wh battery Suspension. Have some videos upcoming and previous if interested.
@@ZenLee I'm often on tight trails in the woods, lots of rocks and roots but not really doing jumps
I really thought u gonna mention the stand that popped out during our offroad ride ^-^
hopefully that is fixed, and I think my fault for not putting up
Overall it don't seem too bad I just really wish it had suspension
that would be great
Any thoughts on the v12 vs the og verteran sherman?
hmmm two totally different wheels, I'd go with the OG Sherman personally bigger tire and more range. But if you want something more sleek and lightweight V12.
how do you feel about this vs the king song 16x? i never had a wheel but got a super fast scooter
Think I'll make a video about that, great question. If you don't mind going below 31mph the KS been around longer, tried and true.
The Nikola also to consider, same 16x3 Tire as 16X, V12, and Nikola. Nikola and V12 can go 40~, King Song locked at 31mph. Nikola was my first wheel, about 10k miles no issues. I do prefer the 18 inch wheels now for more stability. The RS is solid right now. Can find using my links above with discount code 'zen' applied 🙏🙏 feel free ask specific questions about any model you like.
@@ZenLee ty for the reply!
I heard there is no suspension, I'm considering switching from my onewheel to EUC just because the bumps on the road are a pain. V11 have a suspension but V12 doesn't? How's the comfort factor on this thing?
V11 and EX are very comfortable suspension EUCS. Posted a video of the EX today. I really like suspension and it helps me a lot with comfort and even turning tighter.
The EX is the best suspension wheel by far, however it's one of the most expensive. Really, most wheels with a 16x3 tire or above are very stable- I would suggest the EX.N, it cruises right over bumps at 40+ mph, and you can cruise at those speeds for ~50 miles. It's also a great wheel to learn on, the shell is really durable for a GotWay.
I Like this video. Didn't feel like a car sales man... looking at you chooch..
what up Red Beard!?
Every wheel will dent the rim if underinflated on drops and bumps... Have you done some kind of metallurgy test that V11 metal is softer than others?
It maybe not softer than others, but the number of cases seem to be more with this device, could be wrong. Mine was dented so bad the repair shop I normally use to fix rims couldn't fix it.
My 16x feels like its built like a tank. Its been dropped and rolled so many times and has scuffs all over and still runs like a champ. Im trying to decide on which 2nd wheel to buy. I just hope its as tough as the 16x
Theres a 100v Kingsong S20 coming out, see if you can find out when !!!
Great video mate, never buy first batch of Any EUC. Wait and see, there are errors on most first batch wheels. I love My v11 after the change of bearings. I totally agree 16" wheels are not a stable as 18".
Thanks for sharing, great to hear about your V11!
first batch of this wheel proved to be great, better than the 2nd batch, in fact.
Only one real reason for most people not to buy v12 is not enough money for it!
maybe, If I had $2200 think I'd rather get a new RS or spend $700 more for EX.N
I bought the V12 safety argument and run it for a week. I had it cut out on me yesterday at medium speed. Wheel no longer works.
Thanks for letting the community know, horrible that it had to happen to you. Hope you're well.
It's a perfect New York City Wheel for Commuting, take it on the Bus and take it on the Subway!
I’m live in Vegas as well I have the V10f about to get the V12.
nice! It's a big upgrade for you, think you'll enjoy. Have you rode the Red Rock Loop?
So are the batches coming in October batch 1 or 2?
Think its Batch 2 or 3
@@ZenLee good to know. Thanks
All Inmotion I love it 🥰
Me too! But they are not perfect, and maybe a better choice for somebody that can only buy one.
is this an ASRM video? hhahaha nice tingling and relaxing on my ears with my headphones on
Why you don't like V11? Even newest batch? They fixed most of issues.
Was the trolley handle not locked down in the 4:00 area when you were off road? It was bouncing around over the bumps. Also, I've got over 500 miles on my V11 without any issues at all, but I'm not too rough with it. Mainly paved surfaces and smooth trails.
This is a pre-production model, so lots of little things could change.
500 miles is nothing, its 2 weeks of riding
now if you could just buy it today and have it ship out tomorrow 🙌😀
Looks like arriving in July at Alien Rides!
Got a 16x on the way for my first wheel. If it's something I like I'll wait a few years for a long range fast suspension wheel.
That Skydio drone is flying all over the place with all these obstacles and doesn't crash. Amazing! I assume it's controlled by AI, right?
that is correct! If your interested here in my affiliate code, gets you $50 off: fbuy.io/skydio/zenlee42
The v12 is nice
yes sir! you getting one?
so if you hate the V12 so much, can we know what do you ride normally?
Hey Stan, welcome to the Zen Zone. Sherman, tEsla, and EX atm.
It s the best wheel
how so?
I agree, my V11was bad out of the box bad control board. Definitely do not by from EUCO, THEY MADE ME PAY FOR SHIPPING BACK AND A RETURN 174.00 for a wheel that was acting up out of the box. The kicker is they don’t have the control boards in stock, I have to wait for those to come in and then a week of travel back to NY. SO I PUCHASED ON 5/11 and I can’t ride until god knows when. Very bad experience with this company, would never buy from again.
That's rough! If it's bad out of the box, that should be covered by the company, BUT I don't think this policy is not exclusive to EUCO. Would recommend trying Alienrides.com or Revrides.com - haven't had any issue with them. Link is in description can use discount code 'zen' as well for $50 off.✌
This is my main worry of the V12, many units not working out the box and creating a bad release and experience for everyone.
FWIW, this is a video using a poor prototype of the wheel. Final production is zipped up and good to go. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but this doesn’t exactly showcase what’s real…
that's mentioned in the video as well 😉 but I'm not too confident in a Batch 1 version of this wheel, we will see.
What are the early/ final prototype differences?
@@mig6220 don't think anyone truly knows yet
Zen so your favourite wheel was v11 but you think it was a fail for inmotion? Also I guess your reason number 2 is irrelevant also isn't it..
My favorite technical offroading wheel is the V11, but it lacks support/parts. I don't remember what reason 2 was 😅
I don't like this one Zen. The V11 is an amazing wheel - you've said it yourself more than once. You're really stretching the truth to pull a 180 and call it a 'fail'.
You rode the V11 ten times rougher than 99% of other users and constantly smashed it rocks etc etc - let's be honest: you were cruel to that wheel. The S18 or EX or almost any other wheel wouldn't have stood up to that punishment either. Essentially you were trying to use a top-of-the-line Cadillac as a crappy Dune Buggy. Lastly: I swapped my V11 tire this weekend and it took a long time but it was pretty easy, there are just more screws than other wheels - if you know how to work an electric screwdriver you're going to be okay fixing the V11 (and I never had a reason to open mine until I had rode it hard for 2500km, its been really durable).
PS: the V12 is a useless wheel, I will only buy 18" or larger suspension wheels going forward.
First off, really appreciate your thoughts/comment.
The V11 is my favorite offroading EUC, but the 1st and 2nd batches have been a disaster. When the V11 was released, I was working at eWheels, my own personal issues are but a small fraction of the the communities issues with this wheel from bad boards, bearing issues, and lack of parts to repair. Just because the V11 performs well and feels great riding, doesn't mean it's release went well, and its not easy to get parts or support for it. I'm glad your enjoying and taking care of it as one should.
My point with the V11 to V12 comparison, is the release portion. Is the V12 going to have bearing issues, control board issues, problems getting parts similar to how the V11 did? Only time will tell.
PS: I mostly agree
Love V11 batch 3 🥰
@@erriensaputra6890 seen quiet a few break down now, hope not the case
MSD can you share more thoughts on why you’d only get an 18 inch wheel or suspension?
I have a 16s and am thinking about getting v12 next year probably as a replacement (though the huge weight difference may make me keep the 16s for some use cases). Even if I stay at around 25-28mph on the v12 I’ll appreciate and feel safe knowing that I’m nowhere near its limits.
@@seattleraf An 18" will beat a 16" in almost every way. The 16" is only better for tight turns. On 18" you can go faster, safer, and more comfortably.
As for suspension: once you get used to it there is no going back. All top-end wheels will have it in the future. It is just better, and very addictive as well as a huge safety feature. Every bump on the road makes you sad when you try going back to non-suspension. For the same reasons you want it on your car, your truck, your motorcycle, your train, your snowmobile.. etc etc: Suspension is essential.
There is one reason in your videos that I don't like... They are too short!!! ;) Keep it up!
Glad you like them! Will try to make them longer. ✌🙏🙏
Unfortunately someone has to buy the first batch....lol
3 reasons to get the v12, next episode.
5 XD
A super powerful torquey wheel is exactly what the UEC crowd has been asking for. This was designed for the NYC crowd, as evX contributed to the development.
Seems like an 18 inch wheel or suspension wheel would be better to absorb potholes bumps there. Not sure why you would want another Nikola🤔
@@ZenLee how much do you know about what’s best in NYC? I’ll wait…
@@evXNYC Only what I see in your guys videos, lots of people crashing and getting hurt due to poor road conditions, makes me think a bigger wheel with suspension would be better than a Nikola with raised pedals.
now for Polo it looks good, still rather have a Tesla for that game
So many pros and cons and people who are on one side vs the other. Such a tossy turny hobby not sure what to believe or not making me think i shouldnt buy any wheel lmao cant find anything good to buy mid range not over 1500. Maybe used market but thats so iffy to been skimming fb euc page and see, "100miles new out the box, oh and i took it apart waterproofed it and redid the bearings with better grease". Like bro why is anyone taking apart a barely used wheel messing with shit remindes me of buying a manual car everyone raced or tuned or modified it. Damnit
The hobby is definitely not for everyone, there is no perfect wheel yet, and they are pretty expensive for most people. It's all about finding the right wheel for your use case.
the V11 was a fail? AHHAHAHA wtf who is this guy
Sold my V11, might get a new one if Inmotion can keep up with the demand/support/warranty issues.