Damn, forsaken LITERALLY gets caught cheating and a 5 year ban... Brax gets caught in a scam as a young kid who didn't realize the magnitude of what he did and banned for life.
TheGlitch he’s unbanned from certain events, but not Valve events yet. This guy is unbanned from valve events after 5 years and he’s an adult. Swag was swindled as a TEENAGER by adults and paid the price for it with the others.
@@TheFacebookHeroes Agreed hacking is WAY worse and should be perma ban. And likely will be. Can't imagine any teams would pick up forsaken after that.
@@jdjdjcjdjx3107 The definition of being a professional player is that you're playing for a professional team. He is signed for a professional team so he is a professional player. Just because the public wasn't able to play it doesn't mean he wasn't able to play it. In short: Yes, he was.
Because everyone else that placed wagers, etc it disrupted the economy. Even though it may be slight if you bet $100 on your soccer team winning, and they through the game that's a massive fu. If someone cheats, that's just one player causing mishap and yes it is bad but doesn't have the same all round impact to the economy. Remember valve is more likely to protect us the people than pros. They pay the pros, they make money from us.
@@williandossantos7740 he lost much more and because of him India lost total interest in C.S. it's so bad that nobody even wants to win the majors now because even if they win the world will simply say " remember forsaken....valve did it for money and views or something like that " . He lost his pride their , if I ever saw him in life I would personally give a slow clap onto his face ( that's the kinda image he has in our community) And we just hate him , he is like a ....... something so disgusting that you don't even wanna talk about that .
anybody caught cheating/throwing etc should be perma banned from competing competitively in any game, trying to make E Sports a legit sport across the world. letting cheaters back in makes the E Sports scene look like a Farm league at best
A no-exceptions permaban policy isn't reliable deterrent, but lazy attempt at maintaining game integrity. It's the same as chucking drug addicts in prisons and further fucking up their life.
@@jackmehoff4429 "unforgivable crimes"? they're not crimes, for one but since when is a literal child throwing a game that didn't matter "unforgivable"? he was being manipulated to do it by adult teammates
SoSheolH unforgivable crimes in the eyes of gamers. just throwing is fine. but throwing for your benefit in a matchup that seemed pretty easy isn’t okay. you realize how gambling sites work? how when there’s a major upset, it pays out better than picking the team that will probably win.
Bruh are you both blind, he literally pointed out it is not in the same conditions as if an adult would do it, at the time Swag was a kid and was pressured by adults to do it. The outcome of this is that he got banned, and his bitchass teammates didn't. I wouldn't call manipulating children fair, but I guess I am not everyone.
SoSheolH “game that didn’t matter” IBP intentionally defrauded anybody who placed bets in their favor. Not only did they intentionally throw, they threw for their own monetary benefit. Brax would’ve been ~17 at the time, he’s smart enough to know that it’s immoral, unethical, and would lead to penalties if figured out. I feel no sympathy. Skadoodle played it smart, Brax could’ve done the same.
Baseball does and is much larger watched sport. See Pete Rose who got banned for life for throwing 1 game. Also UFC does ban for life it literally took 30 seconds of googling to find the list.
@Fulkrom there actually isn't any proof that Pete Rose threw any games, and considering the intensity at which he played many people don't believe he ever threw a game. What he did do that was against the rules was bet on games, which has been a big no-no since the 1919 Black Sox scandal in which players did throw World Series games. It's been almost 100 years but that ruling still holds up, anyone who gambles on baseball while involved gets a lifetime ban, even one of the greatest hitters of all time. I'm just learning about what Swag did, and despite how I feel about him having a stupid (yet fitting from what I understand of his playstyle) name, his offense doesn't stand up to what the 1919 White Sox did.
@Christian Dales though that conversation was had early last decade when it came to poker. Yes competitive gaming and poker are games, and the loosest definition of sport is a game. I disagree with Rick Fox when he says esports competitors are athletes, but to say these aren't sports is insulting considering the effort they put into competing.
Tbh brax deserved the ban to make him realise his mistake but he certainly does not deserve a permernant ban. I look forward to see brax play more if he gets unbanned, his playstyle is really interesting and fun to watch
The permanent ban was a bit much. But it was the first time anyone had done something like this on such a high level. Valve didn't know how to punish them but decided a permanent ban was the proper punishment. Happily, they got unbanned giving Swag another chance at a pro career but I doubt we'll see any other members of IBP that were banned resurface in the pro scene
Nobody seems to remember that the iBP players were basically not getting paid at the time that they threw, not that it was right, but to continue playing as a career they needed some form of income.
At the time na teams did not really receive salaries, these were contracts signed when cs was small, and go was unproven. Prize money was the only real source of income.
Do you know if the match even meant anything or not? Because if it was just a random tournament with no real bearing that's really fucked up instant permanent ban
Here's a quote from whuderE on an hltv post where I think he does a good job on explaining why the game was thrown: "The match was meaningless for IBP, even if they lost all of their remaining games, they would still finish first place overall going in to the LAN finals. Netcode Guides however, NEEDED to win in order to finish 4th place and make it to the LAN. Now here's the kicker, Dazed was not only the in game leader for IBP, he was also the Co-Owner of Netcode Guides. Obviously Dazed would want NCG to make the LAN as it is direct exposure for his company's brand. It's funny that CEVO got almost zero flak for allowing this conflict of interest in the first place."
@@tylard5007 definitely not, TenZ has a massive ego, even if he is a "god," which he's not, he will end up being kicked just like he constantly was in cs:go. Wardell and swag have much more potential since they've both been called good teammates by their old teammates
Dude everyone does. It's just not really worth mentioning since it's what should be expected from a big company with many and many employees in the back doing research and cutting.
His age is what makes it a shame, as everybody grows and learns from mistakes but man you could rob a bank and be out and get rich and famous if you are lucky... this dude just threw a game with the rest of his team mates... likelyhood is they would have thrown it anyway, he was only going to lose out by saying he wouldn't be involved.
Skadoodle was on the roaster and prob said no since he didn't benefit and oh look he didn't get banned. I'm still not supporting the fact that he's perma banned but he could've said no like Skadoodle
As cedric Janelle said he should have said no like skadoodle and the fact he didnt says alot about his caracter and that is why he deserves a lifetime bann. I would say this cheates and game fixers are the biggest scum and they all deserve to be banned for life. They are weak minded and have no respect for other people.
Cédric Janelle actually when everyone was supposed to get paid with the skins skadoodle was the last to be offered the skins and they didnt have enough to give skadoodle so he had to wait and after all that shit happened is when he said no to the skins
What the fuck does this have to do with bank robbery, and also; how the fuck does one get rich AND famous from robbing a bank? You get one or the other... Jesus.
let's say you're a 1st year apprentice. Your boss tells you to do something and if you dont, you will be out of a job and without pay. You do it because it's the first real boss you have and they're supposed to be guiding you to make you better at you craft. now put yourself in Brax's shoes. 17 year old kid, not getting paid by his org, needs money to prove his worth to his family and is instructed to throw a game by his mentor and leader with the impression that the game wont effect their season because they're locked into finals and they'll receive ~$700 for doing so (again, money was a big reason they agreed to throw the game because they weren't being paid). Valve also never banning anyone for throwing games previous, left them feeling like if they're caught, it'll be a slap on the wrist. For a 1st time offence, for the 1st recorded time of anyone being caught of throwing a match, and for being a minor, Brax (and the other bans in the original list) should've been given a 6 month - 2 year ban as punishment and to set an example to the community of why not to throw and if he or anyone else in the community threw a game in future, it would be a lifetime ban. In conclusion, Valve had every right to ban them, just the lifetime ban was seen as an easy way out for Valve instead of setting a precedent for people in the future. 1st time = 6month - 2 year ban, 2nd time = lifetime ban.
John Smith we're talking about professionals here It indeed is your fucking boss, you're under an agreement and contract, just like in any other pro sport for example
Because many good players who invested money into the game also cheat on alternate accounts. And valve knows, if you give money to a game once, you'll give them again.
They can't IP ban as there are many who cheats on gaming cafes. Most people play in these cafes as not all can afford a good gaming pc. Banning IPs will just decrease their users and valve don't want that loss.
Thomas Hurrell not really I did this when it was actually going on this guy did a recap of it before he was unbanned. And I don't really play csgo I just watch it
nico pratama there’s mountains of evidence lmao. They don’t ban because China is irrelevant and if they banned every thrower in Asia there wouldn’t be an Asian scene.
Log0ut false. By banning throwers, you’re essentially getting rid of those who cannot conceal themselves well enough. People will become better and better at hiding those things. This is similar to the relationship between medicine and superbugs
Pretty sure torqued did the exact same thing and didn't even get a slap on the wrist, I was about to bet on that match to but the odds just weren't worth it, something like 95-5
@َ ٰ bruh... it's not like he used aimbot or WH. He match fixed. Still bad, but it does NOT subtract from his skill whatsoever. Brax is a prodigy, just like the title of the vid implies.
TrouserMonstur There was one player who cameout about it himself before this event that gets a year ban, every other Dota 2 players who attempted to fix matches has been banned permenantly, no excuses
wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Banned_players do some research dumbshit. every player that has match fixed in dota 2 has been permabanned by valve, including prodigies like ddz and smash. solo wasnt permabanned because he was the first known matchfixer in any modern valve game + he was only banned by a league (starladder). the newer bans (ax.mo/sonic) were else league bans, nothing to do with valve (yet).
welp. He obviously meant 322 so your comment is utter crap (pardon my french) - I mean here your first sentence which is bloody dumb as not everyone have to know about dota. To be precise - there were 1 instance where pro did matchfixing and didn't receive lifeban. It was famous solo "322" action and it wasn't life ban because that was first time when someone was found with pants dropped. BUT Valve made big statement that this is last time that they are so benevolent and next matchfixing is permban for any valve event, no matter what game would that be.
Ted Godfrey If he got unbanned and was making $10k a month for being on the starting roster for C9, what motivation would there be for him to do it again?
Muscle memory and tuning your brain for the game. I picked it up CS (keyboard and mouse in general) relatively late (17) and I know I’m severely limited compared to even some of my younger friends who started 13-14.
The members deserved to be banned for sure. Match fixing shouldn't be taken lightly, but the punishment was far too severe. It's like beating someone to death for pushing you over. A 1 or 2 year ban should have suffice, along with effort from the players to show reform. Swag especially has made strides in that sense if I remember correctly. A perma ban was just uncalled for. Especially for someone wasn't even old enough to be considered a full fledged adult at the time.
Even Richard Lewis thinks the ban was too much and exposed that Valve didn't and still doesn't apply this rule evenly. VP and a few other teams were also proven to this and even after the IBP ban multiple Dota teams were proven to of fixed games without even a soft ban given.
If this was a crime and judgement pushed down by the courts swag would have received community service that must be completed before competing and would have no charges for what full grown adults in positions over him orchestrated and executed. He’s not innocent but he’s a child in no position to say no.
At the age of 17/18 I clearly understood what betting money is, and the consequences to fucking with betting money, stop with your "Just a kid" shit, do 13 year olds get a free pass for robbery because they were just kids?
Swag -iwnl- Have you kids ever heard about "Actions have consequences"? Obviously not! There's no difference between fixing a boxing match and fixing a CS:GO match. Absolutely effing none! End of story.
The difference is the word millions vs hundreds. I'm all for punishment, but a 4 year ban from tournament play seems to fit the crime and has clearly set an example as valve intended. No pro is going to risk 4 years of tournament play for some skins.
I get they need to set an example.. but ruining their careers is harsh... $700 is nothing especially in skins... obviously it's not about the money but i just think they should have to pay a fine like they can compete but can't win prize pool money for a few seasons or something but still allow them to be sponsored and have a career... this has gone on for long enough.. majority of people that think swag deserves this is obviously someone who hates on successful people.. the kind that would spit on a Lamborghini
I think you are forgetting that he already has a very viable career as a full time streamer. He and his teammates should be grateful they get to play the game at all at this point.
Stas Twinkleton actually they didn't jack anyone because no one knew that there was a fix till after... it was still a gamble people who bet on the opposite team won money because of the fix.. what you said is irrelevant
dirtyzany considering the fact that ibp was the top na team at the time and netcodeguide was nowhere near their level, basically no one bet on them winning, meaning that they did in fact jack people’s money, so your point is irrelevant
his crosshair placement is better than so many pros because he recognizes holding tight angles challenges your flicking skill and causes more randomness. he plays less tighter angles to catch people wide-peeking
17 He'll never be able to professionally play again and it's all due to a dumb decision he made as a kid. Everyone makes mistakes at that age, they took it too far.
@VeNoM_ERX Pixel Car Racer I have seen recent videos of him playing at dreamhack. I am sure he is unbanned. When I look up his player data, he is confirmed to be unbanned. He currently plays for Team Swole Patrol.
Malony Saint Pierre i didnt say he was unbanned from valve sponsoredgames specifically, plus even the other comments before you also stated that he could play in other tournaments and events so how can i be 100% wrong?
Match fixing is cheating. And match fixing is illegal. So fine, unban him and send him to jail. Would that be fair then? And if you say he was underaged at the time, the option of juvvy could also be done.
It's interesting to see that Swag is getting the focus, including the protagonist treatment, just because he is still streaming. This should have been more about the story of IBP in general, not just one member.
I used to play against swag when I didn't know he was a pro gamer. I'm older. Been playing CS since 1998. So, I don't pay attention to many people. Swag caught my attention when we used to play in the same servers, for years. I would beat him more often than he'd beat me, like 60/40. However, I recognized him as a legit CS player, not a hacker. The dude will always have my respect.
He didnt get kicked. He left because overwatch had no paid league stuff but then right after he left overwatch league is planned to start lmao. Unlucky lad
Hey steam what happened to your policy on "no naming and shaming" ? It only works for us regular users i guess... ok Not like we didn't already know that steam and valve was trash. Btw isn't it kinda ironic to be against game fixing while having a business based on gambling with the scammy cases?
![Everybody Hates Brax [swag]: Another Special RAGE Movie](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/1676S9rImCU/mqdefault.jpg)
Damn, forsaken LITERALLY gets caught cheating and a 5 year ban... Brax gets caught in a scam as a young kid who didn't realize the magnitude of what he did and banned for life.
Zane Boettcher lmao
he's unbanned now though but i get your point
TheGlitch he’s unbanned from certain events, but not Valve events yet. This guy is unbanned from valve events after 5 years and he’s an adult. Swag was swindled as a TEENAGER by adults and paid the price for it with the others.
@@sangeetchakraborty261 yessss
@@TheFacebookHeroes Agreed hacking is WAY worse and should be perma ban. And likely will be. Can't imagine any teams would pick up forsaken after that.
Skadoodle not accepting skins was an amazing decision for his career, he’s made $400k from competitive CS, imagine if he did take part and got banned
Wasnt it more like he didn't get them in time and then they said he didn't want them. Not sure tho
@@synigen1607 dazed confirmed that ska didnt want to take part in the whole thing
If he was taking a part the historic match at the boston major grand final wasnt happening and cloud 9 wasnt winning lol
Ska is an upright outstanding guy
Now he can buy enough skins with this whole lot of amount! 😂
"This guy prefires angles that doesnt exist"
To be fair every time I try to take B from apartments I get shot from a new angle that I didn't even know existed
Swizrad you are silver then lol
silver like mo, lol
Amazing savant!!
@@rxne1987 hes is just joking why u so serious? U jealous his comments got more likes than urs? Rofl
This video was so well made, can we just admire this? I don't even have the game, and I found this interesting.
Me too lol
i just got into it and i was into the pro scene before playing
Jevster I
seriously this is some prime time tv right here
I don’t have this game either still interesting tho
n0thing looks like a baby with beard
Giw Gerald lmao
He looks so derpy 🤣
He needs to spend a week seasoning wood tho earn that beard
That’s m0e
he sounds like one too
Don't play csgo don't keep up with pro gamers don't know who these people are or teams are but I still watched it in it's entirety
InSaNe Membrane same
no one gives a shit honestly
El Mo u dont give a shit.
#freeswag
Me too brother.
The LANs looked like they used to be hosted in a hotel room lol
lmao
kr4zyy likely in a hotel. They usually have convention rooms.
they usually were in the hotel convention halls and shit most events were held in these
yeah but better than nascar
some were, like esea was in a hilton hotel in dallas open to spectators until like 2016
Look at him now. He is the first Valorant PRO player and the game isn't even out yet
Not true
Mstfye I mean he is looked as a pro in valorant because of his experience in Csgo , with similar mechanics from both games.
@Carbon he's posted one video of him playing valorant and he is suddenly a pro huh
@Carbon so he was sighed for a game in March when beta didn't come out until April
@@jdjdjcjdjx3107 The definition of being a professional player is that you're playing for a professional team. He is signed for a professional team so he is a professional player. Just because the public wasn't able to play it doesn't mean he wasn't able to play it.
In short: Yes, he was.
Forsaken: Cheats at a LAN final. *banned for 5 years*
Swag: throws game. *permanently banned*
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be
Because everyone else that placed wagers, etc it disrupted the economy. Even though it may be slight if you bet $100 on your soccer team winning, and they through the game that's a massive fu. If someone cheats, that's just one player causing mishap and yes it is bad but doesn't have the same all round impact to the economy. Remember valve is more likely to protect us the people than pros. They pay the pros, they make money from us.
Forsaken killed his career when he got caught, no team will hire him after the ban ends.
@@williandossantos7740 he lost much more and because of him India lost total interest in C.S. it's so bad that nobody even wants to win the majors now because even if they win the world will simply say " remember forsaken....valve did it for money and views or something like that " . He lost his pride their , if I ever saw him in life I would personally give a slow clap onto his face ( that's the kinda image he has in our community) And we just hate him , he is like a ....... something so disgusting that you don't even wanna talk about that .
anybody caught cheating/throwing etc should be perma banned from competing competitively in any game, trying to make E Sports a legit sport across the world. letting cheaters back in makes the E Sports scene look like a Farm league at best
Yoki R6 Forsaken is perma-banned from all Valve events, the 5 year applies to everything else.
That perm ban is proof Gaben bet on IBP XD
Gaben is a billionaire :^) I know it's a sarcasm.
Vedere Costa Billionaire from all those skins he bet on the IBP game.
You take that back unless you want a permaban to.
What's Permaban?
Lourdes Roguin permanent ban. In other words, it lasts forever.
Ban was deserved, Lifetime ban wasn't.
Lucas hurts so much knowing that they dont get this
A no-exceptions permaban policy isn't reliable deterrent, but lazy attempt at maintaining game integrity. It's the same as chucking drug addicts in prisons and further fucking up their life.
Why was he banned?
JeuxVoid He and his team threw a professional match in a very popular tournament.
no what a silly kid
Then here comes forsaken
forsaken cheated this guy lost the game on purpose. they both different and they both unforgivable crimes.
@@jackmehoff4429 "unforgivable crimes"?
they're not crimes, for one
but since when is a literal child throwing a game that didn't matter "unforgivable"? he was being manipulated to do it by adult teammates
SoSheolH unforgivable crimes in the eyes of gamers. just throwing is fine. but throwing for your benefit in a matchup that seemed pretty easy isn’t okay. you realize how gambling sites work? how when there’s a major upset, it pays out better than picking the team that will probably win.
Bruh are you both blind, he literally pointed out it is not in the same conditions as if an adult would do it, at the time Swag was a kid and was pressured by adults to do it. The outcome of this is that he got banned, and his bitchass teammates didn't. I wouldn't call manipulating children fair, but I guess I am not everyone.
SoSheolH “game that didn’t matter” IBP intentionally defrauded anybody who placed bets in their favor. Not only did they intentionally throw, they threw for their own monetary benefit. Brax would’ve been ~17 at the time, he’s smart enough to know that it’s immoral, unethical, and would lead to penalties if figured out. I feel no sympathy. Skadoodle played it smart, Brax could’ve done the same.
Even UFC doesnt ban for a lifetime.
Baseball does and is much larger watched sport. See Pete Rose who got banned for life for throwing 1 game. Also UFC does ban for life it literally took 30 seconds of googling to find the list.
mma/ufc is a way larger sport than esports if you even consider esports /gaming a sport
@@Lonepreacher its called esports fr a reason
@Fulkrom there actually isn't any proof that Pete Rose threw any games, and considering the intensity at which he played many people don't believe he ever threw a game. What he did do that was against the rules was bet on games, which has been a big no-no since the 1919 Black Sox scandal in which players did throw World Series games. It's been almost 100 years but that ruling still holds up, anyone who gambles on baseball while involved gets a lifetime ban, even one of the greatest hitters of all time. I'm just learning about what Swag did, and despite how I feel about him having a stupid (yet fitting from what I understand of his playstyle) name, his offense doesn't stand up to what the 1919 White Sox did.
@Christian Dales though that conversation was had early last decade when it came to poker. Yes competitive gaming and poker are games, and the loosest definition of sport is a game. I disagree with Rick Fox when he says esports competitors are athletes, but to say these aren't sports is insulting considering the effort they put into competing.
6:25 Shroud was carrying Cloud9 HARD
It’s an unusual sight to behold.
Hiko had 9 kills as well; guess the guy wasn’t on a good day that tournament.
And then you realize he may have been using humanized aim aimbot lol
Discovering something that doesn't exist: Angles that Swag prefires
I got that lmao
Stash SLO there’s 104 days...
Cringe he sucks
Tbh brax deserved the ban to make him realise his mistake but he certainly does not deserve a permernant ban. I look forward to see brax play more if he gets unbanned, his playstyle is really interesting and fun to watch
Yeah A while back they had swag fill in for one of the c9 roster before sean gares left.
is he really that good? like s1mple of America?
Nick Nguyen S1mple hates him. So yeah.
Magic from ESEL in 2017. Still banned in valve sponsored events
The permanent ban was a bit much. But it was the first time anyone had done something like this on such a high level. Valve didn't know how to punish them but decided a permanent ban was the proper punishment. Happily, they got unbanned giving Swag another chance at a pro career but I doubt we'll see any other members of IBP that were banned resurface in the pro scene
Swag being banned:
Stewie, i dont feel so good.
When sports grow larger and money gets bigger, corruption gets more fierce
Nobody seems to remember that the iBP players were basically not getting paid at the time that they threw, not that it was right, but to continue playing as a career they needed some form of income.
really? i didnt evne know this. this totally justifies the throw for skins imo. how else were they gonna get paid?
Death Rager the team pays them smh and from prize pools, also if no one got paid every team would throw for skins...
At the time na teams did not really receive salaries, these were contracts signed when cs was small, and go was unproven. Prize money was the only real source of income.
Do you know if the match even meant anything or not? Because if it was just a random tournament with no real bearing that's really fucked up instant permanent ban
Here's a quote from whuderE on an hltv post where I think he does a good job on explaining why the game was thrown:
"The match was meaningless for IBP, even if they lost all of their remaining games, they would still finish first place overall going in to the LAN finals. Netcode Guides however, NEEDED to win in order to finish 4th place and make it to the LAN. Now here's the kicker, Dazed was not only the in game leader for IBP, he was also the Co-Owner of Netcode Guides. Obviously Dazed would want NCG to make the LAN as it is direct exposure for his company's brand. It's funny that CEVO got almost zero flak for allowing this conflict of interest in the first place."
0:26 "BANNEP"
lmao
Bann : ep3
LMAO SPELLING BETTER THAN LIL PUMP THO
Ye the thing it's because the line is longer than the other line.
6ANNEP
The prequel to the greatest Valorant player in the world.
TenZ, it’s definitely TenZ
@@tylard5007 definitely not, TenZ has a massive ego, even if he is a "god," which he's not, he will end up being kicked just like he constantly was in cs:go. Wardell and swag have much more potential since they've both been called good teammates by their old teammates
aceu be like:....
Aceu, hiko, tenz...
No one mentioning drone? Hes insane
who's here after Brax is a Valorant pro player
or the wardell guy
wait nvm lmao
Nah I’ve been following him since he was on IBP
Im here he stop playng cs go😓😢😭😭😭
Who plays valorant xD
This is the first ever gaming type video I've watched and I think I wanna get into the whole gaming scene for sure. What a video.
What's your rank on csgo?
It's worth it.
Bought my first computer a month and a half ago after saving for 10 months, and I'll never look back.
@@domino52o26 its a whole new world, huh?
Gooble gobble one of us, we accept him one of us.
@@BenitoFan760 Yeah never use “gobble” like that again…
guess what I commented three years ago by the comments
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Dude everyone does. It's just not really worth mentioning since it's what should be expected from a big company with many and many employees in the back doing research and cutting.
^^^
Ye dude your the only one good job
of you dont notice its a job well done
His age is what makes it a shame, as everybody grows and learns from mistakes but man you could rob a bank and be out and get rich and famous if you are lucky... this dude just threw a game with the rest of his team mates... likelyhood is they would have thrown it anyway, he was only going to lose out by saying he wouldn't be involved.
which is the reason why he's not in prison. he didn't commit a crime. so whats the big deal?
Skadoodle was on the roaster and prob said no since he didn't benefit and oh look he didn't get banned. I'm still not supporting the fact that he's perma banned but he could've said no like Skadoodle
As cedric Janelle said he should have said no like skadoodle and the fact he didnt says alot about his caracter and that is why he deserves a lifetime bann. I would say this cheates and game fixers are the biggest scum and they all deserve to be banned for life. They are weak minded and have no respect for other people.
Cédric Janelle actually when everyone was supposed to get paid with the skins skadoodle was the last to be offered the skins and they didnt have enough to give skadoodle so he had to wait and after all that shit happened is when he said no to the skins
What the fuck does this have to do with bank robbery, and also; how the fuck does one get rich AND famous from robbing a bank? You get one or the other... Jesus.
They all definitely deserve to be banned. However, they don’t deserve to be *permanently* banned. 2 years are enough imo.
Hassan AlAlawi sing song your opinion is wrong. They are lucky to not be in jail.
Gabarel jail lmao for what virtual skins that didn’t have a value in real life stock only in game
anthony sanchez there are websites where u can sell/buy skins for real meney so u can profit from that
swag was a minor tho
Christopher Cruz The next generation is done for lmfao
Swag: Throws a random unimportant CEVO game *PERMA BAN*
Forsaken: Cheats *5 yr ban*
excuse me wtf?
Boo hoo?
Still deserved it, basically scamming all the people betting on that game. These guys wont get unbanned by Valve.
throwing and benefiting by using gambling sites are two different circumstances
You stole this comment
@@CreatineAddicted forsaken literally killed the indian cs go scene
I think it’s time to bring back the #freeswag hype
Clowdy i never stopped but what i always refer the mag 7 to as is the "swag 7"
hes been freed
what? he has?
Are you guys dumb? He match fixed he should be in jail not banned from csgo
XxJaNxX Not from Valve sponsored tournaments, but from ESEA and ESL they dropped the ban on him and the other guys from IBP who got banned.
4:11 "They added nothing to the roster" Great context
Lmao the music that played during the “expose” part made me feel like I was seeing some real classified government shit😂😂😂
let's say you're a 1st year apprentice. Your boss tells you to do something and if you dont, you will be out of a job and without pay. You do it because it's the first real boss you have and they're supposed to be guiding you to make you better at you craft.
now put yourself in Brax's shoes. 17 year old kid, not getting paid by his org, needs money to prove his worth to his family and is instructed to throw a game by his mentor and leader with the impression that the game wont effect their season because they're locked into finals and they'll receive ~$700 for doing so (again, money was a big reason they agreed to throw the game because they weren't being paid). Valve also never banning anyone for throwing games previous, left them feeling like if they're caught, it'll be a slap on the wrist.
For a 1st time offence, for the 1st recorded time of anyone being caught of throwing a match, and for being a minor, Brax (and the other bans in the original list) should've been given a 6 month - 2 year ban as punishment and to set an example to the community of why not to throw and if he or anyone else in the community threw a game in future, it would be a lifetime ban.
In conclusion, Valve had every right to ban them, just the lifetime ban was seen as an easy way out for Valve instead of setting a precedent for people in the future. 1st time = 6month - 2 year ban, 2nd time = lifetime ban.
its a fucking shooting game. gtfo with "your boss" bullshit
John Smith we're talking about professionals here
It indeed is your fucking boss, you're under an agreement and contract, just like in any other pro sport for example
John Smith they earn more than you and your father put togethet
You can google a proper insult. that was fucking pathetic lol
Cool story, bro. But here's the reality: they're banned from *parts* of a video game, not from society.
Valve perma bans match fixing but tolerates aimbots, wall hacks etc?
How about an IP ban Valve for those who uses hacks on great FPS games?
Because many good players who invested money into the game also cheat on alternate accounts. And valve knows, if you give money to a game once, you'll give them again.
IP ban is illegal on most european countrys
They can't IP ban as there are many who cheats on gaming cafes. Most people play in these cafes as not all can afford a good gaming pc. Banning IPs will just decrease their users and valve don't want that loss.
@@ShravanJain1996 are there cheats software at gaming cafes?
@@wafi1822 IDK the source of the cheats but I have seen people cheat on cafes
5 years later this video still hold up
#freebrax
christian higgins hes already freed y know
M. Arya Prameisa idk that thanks for telling me
A little late to join that bandwagon m8 :-P
Thomas Hurrell not really I did this when it was actually going on this guy did a recap of it before he was unbanned. And I don't really play csgo I just watch it
christian higgins are you American or European? If you're American, get it, if not, don't, you don't want to know about the Russians.
Why dota 2 chinese team dont ban?
They are always throwing game for the money
Coz no proof?
Are you shrood or shrode?
nico pratama there’s mountains of evidence lmao. They don’t ban because China is irrelevant and if they banned every thrower in Asia there wouldn’t be an Asian scene.
@@BiscuitFever If they started banning throwers then people would stop throwing
Log0ut false. By banning throwers, you’re essentially getting rid of those who cannot conceal themselves well enough. People will become better and better at hiding those things. This is similar to the relationship between medicine and superbugs
>throw a match voluntarily for money
>get banned
>play victim
>get fan support
>get unbanned
>enjoy
What about 2k18?
tbh with you, he never played the victim. it's his skill that made people and pro players cheer for him
Pretty sure torqued did the exact same thing and didn't even get a slap on the wrist, I was about to bet on that match to but the odds just weren't worth it, something like 95-5
Cheating is never a skill.
I'm glad that his ban is permanently. If Valve accept him back then Valve worth horse excrement. That simple.
@َ ٰ bruh... it's not like he used aimbot or WH. He match fixed. Still bad, but it does NOT subtract from his skill whatsoever. Brax is a prodigy, just like the title of the vid implies.
Didnt a bunch of dota players fix a match and got basically a slap on the wrist compared to this
TrouserMonstur There was one player who cameout about it himself before this event that gets a year ban, every other Dota 2 players who attempted to fix matches has been banned permenantly, no excuses
wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Banned_players
do some research dumbshit. every player that has match fixed in dota 2 has been permabanned by valve, including prodigies like ddz and smash. solo wasnt permabanned because he was the first known matchfixer in any modern valve game + he was only banned by a league (starladder). the newer bans (ax.mo/sonic) were else league bans, nothing to do with valve (yet).
welp. He obviously meant 322 so your comment is utter crap (pardon my french) - I mean here your first sentence which is bloody dumb as not everyone have to know about dota.
To be precise - there were 1 instance where pro did matchfixing and didn't receive lifeban. It was famous solo "322" action and it wasn't life ban because that was first time when someone was found with pants dropped. BUT Valve made big statement that this is last time that they are so benevolent and next matchfixing is permban for any valve event, no matter what game would that be.
yep. 1 year ban.
they won 322$ kek
TYLER1 NEXT PogChamp
Alis fuck that angry prisoner
Hobo on a plane He's already getting unbanned nerd :)
A Smart Ghost maybe
next perma ban yes
Tyler1 is not a prodigy. He may be an entertainer but not a prodigy.
Forsaken saw this video and was like "Hold my beer Swag!"
Holy shit swag just retired and then youtube recommends me this
crying rn
He didn't retire
"north carolina" "at his cousins house" i can already hear the banjo playing
UffUffsen lmao 😂
Uff
Looking back on that old Complexity roster, that was a force to be reckoned with
Unbanned this kid, we know he made a mistake but probably this time he won't let us down again. #FreeBrax.
Chris Paul that's where you're probably wrong
Ted Godfrey what could could be happen then ?
Ted Godfrey If he got unbanned and was making $10k a month for being on the starting roster for C9, what motivation would there be for him to do it again?
Well, what about people who lost money on that day, they will give the money back ?
Bia Rosini they'll give the, "Fuck you" and start new one and move on qouta
16-2'd his former teammates... cold brax, cold
R.J Rakata he had 0 mercy
For the first time, T1 announced Brax as their first Valorant pro ever.
BUT Valorant is shit
@@chickenchaser3577 nah
I agree with a ban, i disagree with "the" ban.
Michael Ubiñas It's called a deterrent, it seems to be effective.
Michael Ubiñas this type of behavior should be no tolerance. Which it is.
What i am saying is that it was best to ban them for a year max, but a lifetime ban is way to extreme and dumb.
hes unbanned bro
not by valve. He can't attend Majors. Not to mention the other tournament organizers like starladder, ecs, eleague , Mlg, PGl, and WESG.
This kind of vids and series inspires me a lot and do more on gaming, Great videos, shroud series is the best for me.
I hope Swag comes back with something and he gets unbanned so legend can go on tournaments.
Just makes me so sad. Watching brax play is so bittersweet. He'll pull some crazy shit and it goes from "damn" to "damn :("
Valve: I was about to end this man´s whole career.
Riot:
1:15 THIS KID IS A AMAZING SAVANT
It seems that a big portion of the extremely good players started off playing CS at a really young age
Muscle memory and tuning your brain for the game. I picked it up CS (keyboard and mouse in general) relatively late (17) and I know I’m severely limited compared to even some of my younger friends who started 13-14.
wait you mean to tell me most of the extremely good players played at a young age?!? no shit sherlock
Same with all sports though
The members deserved to be banned for sure. Match fixing shouldn't be taken lightly, but the punishment was far too severe. It's like beating someone to death for pushing you over. A 1 or 2 year ban should have suffice, along with effort from the players to show reform. Swag especially has made strides in that sense if I remember correctly. A perma ban was just uncalled for. Especially for someone wasn't even old enough to be considered a full fledged adult at the time.
strong griefing in a very consequential environment ===== baaaan
2023 and can only think about what this guy could've been. Sadge
Even Richard Lewis thinks the ban was too much and exposed that Valve didn't and still doesn't apply this rule evenly. VP and a few other teams were also proven to this and even after the IBP ban multiple Dota teams were proven to of fixed games without even a soft ban given.
what? Every dota team caught matchfixing after IBP ban was banned for life, including a top 10 worldwide peruvian team
ZJKtown music There was two DoTA teams I think that were banned for matchfixing for 1 year.
which two?
ZJKtown music After IBP, Thats the thing
I mean, I think it is at least honorable that Swag doesn’t use skins anymore. It shows he changed. Great player, greater morals
The beginning gave me CHILLS
Me: Ive watched this video like 10 times
My Brain: Well watch it again!
If this was a crime and judgement pushed down by the courts swag would have received community service that must be completed before competing and would have no charges for what full grown adults in positions over him orchestrated and executed.
He’s not innocent but he’s a child in no position to say no.
Philipp Wie imagine being named phil
Yep that's it, keep going.
Outstanding Narration. High Quality production.
#freebrax HES ONLY A KID WHEN HE GOT BANNED . OFCOURSE HES GOING TO CHOOSE SKINS LOL .
At the age of 17/18 I clearly understood what betting money is, and the consequences to fucking with betting money, stop with your "Just a kid" shit, do 13 year olds get a free pass for robbery because they were just kids?
Swag -iwnl- Have you kids ever heard about "Actions have consequences"? Obviously not! There's no difference between fixing a boxing match and fixing a CS:GO match. Absolutely effing none! End of story.
The difference is the word millions vs hundreds. I'm all for punishment, but a 4 year ban from tournament play seems to fit the crime and has clearly set an example as valve intended. No pro is going to risk 4 years of tournament play for some skins.
yes stas they actually do, its called juvenile status.
Stas Twinkleton kinda if they are under 18.
#freeswag I just wish he chose a better name than swag
AJ A our childhood gamer names are always -200 iq lol
@Oh No he is still banned from valve sponsor tournament.
@Oh No you're the dumbass lmao, he's still banned from valve sponsored events so no majors
Oh No “dumbass”
No Name so can he play csgo but can’t go to tournaments ?
Great video was put together so well
Fuck man any story involving the ibp ban is hard to watch
Its sad that these guys made one mistake and now have no way to ever get back into the competitive scene
great job bro. i dont even know swag and i dont play csgo, but i find this video entertaining
#freeswag
Abhigyan Roy #Freeswag is bullahit, #FreeIBP
i wish csgo wasnt dead... it doesint even matter anymore. CSGO killed their own game
Lucas H 1.3 million viewers on Twitch for the Major final, the game isn't dead
swag is free
u dont even have to watch the rest of the video as soon as he said he joined ibuypower
“This guy pre-firing angles that don’t exist” 😂😂
The best part about this video was how it convinced an entire community that swag was a good counter strike player
he did, right?
I get they need to set an example.. but ruining their careers is harsh... $700 is nothing especially in skins... obviously it's not about the money but i just think they should have to pay a fine like they can compete but can't win prize pool money for a few seasons or something but still allow them to be sponsored and have a career... this has gone on for long enough.. majority of people that think swag deserves this is obviously someone who hates on successful people.. the kind that would spit on a Lamborghini
dirtyzany they got wayy more than 700 that's a cover.
Your singing tone would be a lot different if they jacked your betting money with this shtick.
I think you are forgetting that he already has a very viable career as a full time streamer. He and his teammates should be grateful they get to play the game at all at this point.
Stas Twinkleton actually they didn't jack anyone because no one knew that there was a fix till after... it was still a gamble people who bet on the opposite team won money because of the fix.. what you said is irrelevant
dirtyzany considering the fact that ibp was the top na team at the time and netcodeguide was nowhere near their level, basically no one bet on them winning, meaning that they did in fact jack people’s money, so your point is irrelevant
his crosshair placement is better than so many pros because he recognizes holding tight angles challenges your flicking skill and causes more randomness. he plays less tighter angles to catch people wide-peeking
9:56 Turn on english (auto) CC, and you will see *Gayben* xD
XDDD
I hope the skins were good
6 months late but it was about 35k worth in skins
@@s8868280 Can I see the skins?
@@Darekia I mean you could if they are still in the peoples inventories
@@s8868280 I bet they are
@@Darekia but swag doesn't even use skins anymore so idk
Really dig your videos man, solid work!
the last sentence aged well, he’ll get his redemption playing valorant as a part of T1
"patience and lurking...." You mean baiting?
"Sometimes its not worth it man"
17
He'll never be able to professionally play again and it's all due to a dumb decision he made as a kid. Everyone makes mistakes at that age, they took it too far.
This kid a pretty humble too. I played BF4 with him on Xbox One, never once did he mention all this.
6:30 Shroud what happen???
Wishing valve would hold a tournament for match fixers and who ever gets 1st place will get unbanned
swags best years are behind him
well, he is unbanned now.
@VeNoM_ERX Pixel Car Racer I have seen recent videos of him playing at dreamhack. I am sure he is unbanned. When I look up his player data, he is confirmed to be unbanned. He currently plays for Team Swole Patrol.
@VeNoM_ERX Pixel Car Racer he'll never be picked up by a team worth playing for cos he can't play at minors or majors.
@@MikeDoesRandomThings 100% wrong, he cannot play on valve sponsored leagues, just watch the video.
Malony Saint Pierre i didnt say he was unbanned from valve sponsoredgames specifically, plus even the other comments before you also stated that he could play in other tournaments and events so how can i be 100% wrong?
Perm ban seems a bit harsh, but they can't tolerate cheating as a well.
he didnt cheat. he match-fixed.
Match fixing is cheating. And match fixing is illegal. So fine, unban him and send him to jail. Would that be fair then? And if you say he was underaged at the time, the option of juvvy could also be done.
It's interesting to see that Swag is getting the focus, including the protagonist treatment, just because he is still streaming. This should have been more about the story of IBP in general, not just one member.
Lol vitality throws 2 matches no bans
Throwing is one thing, match fixing is another
why did IBP lose the game 4-16 instead of doing something like 14-16 or go into overtime
They probably didn't think about it wellThey could've also gotten away with it if they didn't tell other people about it.
JohnnySins fan#69 they tried way to hard to throw. The “mistakes” they were making were ridiculous.
6:30 "A wild sexy shroudy rowdy boi has a appeared"
Is that swaggersouls at 6:04
NEA panther where???
Stanley Chen The voice.
Nah mate
Yeah lol thats SwaggerSouls
I used to play against swag when I didn't know he was a pro gamer. I'm older. Been playing CS since 1998. So, I don't pay attention to many people. Swag caught my attention when we used to play in the same servers, for years. I would beat him more often than he'd beat me, like 60/40. However, I recognized him as a legit CS player, not a hacker. The dude will always have my respect.
Add me
r/thathappened
Wowzers in my trousers defo no way im believing him. he’d legit be in the pro series if he won frequently against Swag
Can be true, doesn't mean because swag was in a pro team he was also godlike back when he was still a casual player
And that story is about to continue with Valorant. Thank you Riot for saving this man's career!
Azk got kicked of overwatch too
I'm not sure about that, one of his close friends said he was looking to play those ESEA events and he would switch to csgo
Yeah man azk was looking to come back and play cs with dazed and swag LOL
He didnt get kicked. He left because overwatch had no paid league stuff but then right after he left overwatch league is planned to start lmao. Unlucky lad
Ayy remember that time when s1mple iBuyPowered his AWP as a decoy. Damm that was awesome
May need an edit at the end. DUDE IS A GOD at Valorant.
8:39 Those screenshots look like from those meme creators.. Are they legitimate?
Yes,they are
“Demolished cloud 9”
*looks at scoreboard
???
Behold, TSM Brax, everybody.
Hey steam what happened to your policy on "no naming and shaming" ? It only works for us regular users i guess... ok Not like we didn't already know that steam and valve was trash.
Btw isn't it kinda ironic to be against game fixing while having a business based on gambling with the scammy cases?
1 word for him
B8er