I recently went abroad to play poker for a week, my first real foray into live poker. Compared to the online competition the players were so terrible I almost couldn't believe what I was seeing, but I wasn't running over them as hard as I thought I should. I remember sitting down on my bed the second day asking myself what I needed to do, and came up with basically your exact list. Wait for good hand, 3- bet it, hope to hit, rinse, repeat. I absolutely cracked up listening to you say it in almost the same voice I used in my head when I realized what I was doing wrong. Yeah, it's boring as hell, but it works. I started getting accusations of ''this guy is so lucky, he always has it''. Yeah, I do always have it, that's what I'm doing, it's not luck. I'm just playing pure value nothing else, no light 3-bets, no balance, just have a hand, bet, and hope they made some bullshit like second pair to call it down with.
I hate accepting that but it’s bout all you can do. Tricks balance n sizing does nothing cause they don’t know that language even. Hardest thing for me is jus try to avoid getting bored n keep it simple
Yeah you're exactly right. How are you supposed to play your range and your opponent's range and use your frequencies when they don't understand what rangers are? You can have AQs, raise under the gun and go heads up against the small blind. flop comes KJ5. Small blind makes a pair of 5s and starts betting not even understanding that this flop is much better for you. You can't raise or semi bluff because he's just simply not afraid of the board nor your range. Lol
Yeah....hard to do when you've been getting cards that wouldn't make 16 in blackjack all night....after a while that A9 suited starts to look like pocket queens
@@mikeschafer4440 One time I folded crap for long and hit pocket kings. Raised three times BB and five people called me. Guy to my right raises after flop and I call, everyone else folded. He hit trips after calling a raise with A-9. Should I raise more? It's so tough to fold after waiting so long
@@bradleegeraldkevin7799 maybe he woulda folded with 5x BB or something, you never know, basically just a shitty situation for you. I've been there before too. Or after getting shit for an hour I finally get kings and dude to my left gets aces.
@@ConsciousPoker Two years later...I just started playing. I've watched tons of 'Beginner' video's from top players, and I have to say this is by far the best macro strategy video I've seen! Great work!
@@bradymcguire5518 I feel that. You start studying and working on all these things your learning and then these weak players are giving you issues and it’s hard to see how to impliment these things and win. Biggest thing for me so far was just understanding stakes and the players in them. Like he said it’s a way different style n play at the micros than it is mid to high
This was so helpful. I've had to start playing like this against my friends on poker night as I play quite a bit more than they do, and I also watch lots of videos trying to better my game. It was mildly disheartening to hear my exact thoughts confirmed, as I was hoping to find a little more room for creativity, but I'm sure over time they'll get better, and the game will become more like chess and less like checkers between us.
I play with my friends for 2 dollar buy in and 2 dollar rebuy. They dont study poker at all they just know the rules and have some experience. And i definitely try to bluff too much. This is great advice
Yep. Action junkies get a rush out of bluffing with 7-2o. They ignore all their losses and think they're super-awesome poker geniuses when their 4% hand hits
Problem is people don’t have that much respect for fake games. Another thing I’ve learned in tournaments is that people will play wide when they’re not hitting anything. They’ll play 10 hands and by about the eighth fold they systematically get wider and wider because your blinds are going up and you don’t have enough chips to sit around and wait. I always wait you do have to play a little loose early on . But once the cut off is done and no more rebuys that’s when you can implement poker strategy
No wonder my win rate is up so high at 1-2 live. Soooo boring. But now my image is so strong I can get away with bluffs more. Way more. .. Cuz "he always has it" 😎.. Come to St. Louis,mo. Play with your Boy!!!
Hi Alec...I really enjoyed this video. I play in a weekly game at my community clubhouse. I find that this exact advice is what I needed. I would say that I am by far the best player of the 15 or so people...in recent weeks, I have really taken my education the the next level. However, I haven't won the game in a month...even though I know my plays/range/bets were solid. I feel like I wasn't straying from my range. Literally: You'll lose on the River bc people think K/3o is a good hand. Everyone limps in with anything...but you have to bet 4-6BB to isolate a hand. Hard to represent anything anything beyond an obvious over card pair. I just need to get back to the basics, and I bet I cash next week. This is the first of your videos I've watched. Looking forward to checking out more. The link above to your hand reading PDF doesn't appear to work. Could you send a new link please?
I have been wanting to ask the same thing. Well put together and explained. One of your most informative videos to date for us players looking to improve.
i played the game against 7 guys, where half of them did not know the rules of poker well. the other half rised whatever two hands. there were no flops 1vs1 - almost every time, at least 4-5 ppl involved in flop. and if they found something interesting on flop, they call to river.. for example: flop: AK4 rainbow... the guy with T4o calls to the end against few opponents who bet/rise preflop. I played tight against them and end up with the same money I came with (luckily)... anyway it was from my perspective like playing against 7 guys. they simply moved chips between them all the time, if something went wrong they buy in... even with AA you are always behind against 5-6 opponents since they dont fold... its like 10-12 cards against your two - each time. it wasnt a fun and I could not call this a poker game ;-)
With the big hands did you make the pre-flop raise bigger. Like if it is a 1-2 game instead of making it 10 make it 27. If there are that many callers each time. Gotta make them pay/ thin the field.
Grear video but still I have a question when your in a multiway pots with 1 calling station & and the other players they overfolding a lot how to play your draws?
I used to crush live games vs weak competition. But normally those tables had 2-3 crazy loose players and few ok players. Now lately i am playing vs 6-7 super crazy and super loose players, and even when i 3 bet big they all call and impossible to know where you are vs 7 callers everytime you raise. And if i go all in they will fold , and we play super deep stack. I still win regularly but having much more problem vs this group. We are playing 5/5 but almost every one have 200/300+ deep stacks. Anyideas what should i do and how to approach this kinda table, i start to play more small ball then i like but it kinda helps me to control pots. And they pay me if i caj make my hand, however i was expecting to win much more with this table as they were all loose maniacs.
I know it's not simple. But .if you mostly play with only very good hands. And play them well !! Well you should have above average wins It's when you ,go off track. Then you start losing . I'm an ok poker player and I have won a few small poker tournaments around 80,/ 100 people. But ... I remember when Fidor holtz. Came about 3 Rd on the final table.and he was asked how he felt about that.he said I played the best way I could,so I'm not disappointed.. That about sums it all up . Thanks for your advice
I’ve tried to play against people online in free games like poker legends and it’s hard to get into cuz I’m trying to get better but I’m playing against scrubs who always want to go all in pre flop and nonsense like that. I don’t want to have to get into cash games online but idk how to play against serious people who are still amateurs on my level.
Its just to value bet against them and checking if you don't catch a hand. If they donk lead hard on the turn their hand improves significantly and you have to fold. Their bet size = hand strength.
Years ago, I used to see pretty much nothing but calling stations in micro stakes games online. Now it seems like most people play tight before the flop. I used to make money by playing tight before the flop and aggressive if I hit a hand on the flop. This doesn't seem to work anymore because my stack drains away from posting blinds for a couple hours without seeing much action and from people folding when I make a hand.
Because the people playing poker for money these days are much better poker players on just about every level. There is a reason all the poker "pros" are selling books and coaching these days. Go to a card room and play lower stakes, it can be hit or miss. Some games won't even beat the rake with a decent win rate.
Losing discipline and falling into playing more hands that get you into trouble is the trap. If you're catching some cards, life is good. Pretty hard to drive an hour to play cards and fold for 3 hours of a 5 hour session, but that's what it takes sometimes.
Why do you watch Alec's channel if you don't value his content? Why not spend your time more effectively? I value Alec's advice, insights and perspective, so I win watching his videos. You lose if you don't get the value, in both senses of the meaning. One, you don't respect him or you wouldn't taunt him. Two, you are too deaf or dense to understand it, OR too eager to taunt him, to seek to torment him in your vindictiveness, as if YOU ARE PERFECT...LOL. Little petty pathetic troll. Live a life worth living rather than waste it like this.
It's funny because recently I played with some amateurs and they are value betting top pair on very wetboards on the river and it confuses me every time..
It's just so annoying, when you wait for a good hand, raise with AKo. They call, then the flop is A93 rainbow. Against a good player that's a super flop, no flush draws, no straight draws, no full house potential. You raise them, they keep calling. In the end they go all-in, I call, then they show up with 93o. WTF is that?
Edit: Link updated The free downloadable Hand Range pdf is false! Clicked on the link and it tells you that they will provide a download link once you enter your email and they don't. It just takes you around in circles. I'll change my response if corrected but otherwise disappointing from being introduced to you with this video.
I’ve been playing against my *grandparents* who are *absolute maniacs* so thank you for this. They’ve been kicking my ass! They’re fearless, don’t really know much about poker so they don’t do anything that makes fucking sense, making them incredibly hard to play against.
Seriously? Stack 'em once or twice and they'll start to pause a bit. Cards in my household growing up was a blood sport. My parents were too notch canasta, rummy and bridge and chess players. My father couldn't beat my mother in chess (my grandfather, her father, was a beast, her brother chess club president in high school). Yeah, my childhood was competitive and now I crave it like a drug. Poker satisfies the itch.
I completely agree with you. It’s harder to put lose aggressive players on ranges, but they easier to play against. Don’t bluff, don’t C-bet, don’t represent hands. just play level 1. You’re almost getting pot odds and implied odds with them. So I get in pots with them often. Pretty much what he said. J,10 suited, Q,J, K,Q. Raised or 3 bet with A,A, K,K, A,K. Raise or call raise with QQ> , If late potion call with suited connectors. get in the pot when it’s cheap or when more then half the players are in the pot. You’ll go in a small downswing, but again with so many players are in the hand, you’re getting the much better pot odds and implied odds. When you have the winning hand, bet it get the max value. You’ll almost get the worse hand to call over 80 percent of the time. Ever since I have done that, I have way more of a winning session.
#1 rule of a ring game vs a beginner: don't forget there are 5/6/7/8 other people at the table. it doesn't matter if you play ABC poker against the amateur perfectly, if the next guy in line uses it to needle you for value every hand.
This is what I expected to hear. Good to get a pro confirmation. My home game has super loose players and will rebuy 5 to 7 times and will call down with air. Drunk social players are a confusing lot. Stick to the basics, engage with stronger hands to get paid off as I know they will call down…. Be patient.
It is very hard to put amateur recreational players on hands …. I play tight I mix it up with Marginal hands and am very disguised when I hit and very believable when I bluff … however aces against 8-3 starting off gto and transitioning mid hand is difficult I call shoved and I’m heading to the turn against two pairs 8-3 but how do I ever put them on the hand .
I’m a winning amateur player and have no problem playing against pros. You have a mayor technical advantage over me so I don’t compete on that level. I push my advantage when I am definitely ahead. I put the pressure on pros, preflop and flop. I don’t give the pros a chance to outplay me.
Quick tip, if you're playing over 50% of your dealt hands, you're never going to win long term. Blackjack hands at the front and speculate at the back. Both cards have to interact with each other somehow that makes sense. Very basic and easy basics that will get you on your way to losing less.
That's so hard to do as simple as it is. I'll make a CORRECT read and turn up the aggression knowing they are weak and they call any size bet with 8 2 on an A 8 6 flop. lol. 3 barrel my KJs and then be mad at them that they didn't fold. lol.
How do you play against amateur players that place large bets in the dark (before they see their cards), raise constantly, and never folds no matter how bad their hand is. I’m an amateur to by the way.
You camp at that table until you have all the chips. It may take a while, but it's inevitable. Problem is that most players from the online poker scene don't understand that the game pace is much slower in the real world and it can take hours (5-6 sometimes) to catch enough hands to make decent money. Looking for places to double up is the key.
It's always fun to discover how you are being perceived and beaten easily. I appreciate seeing my silly amateur errors, a little bit embarrassing but lol
So I consider myself a pretty decent poker player, and I have been playing cash games with a group of friends everyday for last few weeks and normally I end up with a pretty nice stack. Last few days though I have been playing against the luckiest players ever, ex: I have AK in big blind, limps around I 3 bet and get one caller, flop comes K36 two spades, (I don't have a spade) I bet, get raised and shove, they call with a Qs and off suit 6, I have them crushed on flop, but I already knew what was gonna happen, I announced to the table that he was going to runner, runner a flush and I was gonna leave. He did it
You should be showing examples not just speaking...anybody can talk to somebody and tell them what they're supposed to do.... You should be showing people what they're supposed to do.
If "good" players cant figure out how to play loose amatuers, they are not good players. First. Dont be afraid of variance. Loose players increase table variance, and sometimes they go on heaters. Second, look for exploitable patterns in post flop play whether in a hand against them or not.
I guess there was no reason for that. I think that most of ppl started following you because of your personal brand as Alec Torelli, well known poker player. I think that's way more appealing business/viewer proposition than some anonymous Conscious poker, which could be created by any random Joe. Honestly even the word "conscious" is not that appealing for the UA-cam viewer. As a designer who did also some branding I suppose that your idea didn't come from nowhere and you ve done some analysis or hired professional before making this change. But for me it doesn't really work and I thought I could be somewhere in your core target group as a winning live cash game player. Anyway good luck and send me a message if you want to discuss more. I m quite a nerd into content strategy :D
I agree. I don't like the new channel name. Initially I wondered if it was even your channel or some random guy re-uploading your old videos. Secondly, the name 'ConsciousPoker' doesn't sound good to me. It is very passive and does not justify the brand in Poker that you bring in.
I disagree with the 2 other guys. I really support the idea of Conscious Poker concept and I believe that it will have a huge impact to the poker community in the end. It just needs time as everything that is new!
Raise pre flop with amateurs, they'll call no matter the amount. You have AA and they have a trash hand like 59o. Flop comes 5 8 9 and they have 2 pairs. Good luck getting them off.
I've Learned to-Just Have The Nuts&I Win The Pot-Just That Simple-Against Beginners,Amateurs,Pros-That Simple System-It Works-For Me! That's Why I Won-9 Pots in The Casino's Poker Rooms-With Successes-After Successes!-Raymond "Mike" Hong of Oakland, CA&UC Berkeley's Caldining Employee!
Pros play pros because they don't have a read on upcoming amateurs that still play 10k hands a month or more. I would love to run into you at the 300k gauranteed at the Beau in Biloxi. May change your mind about amateurs. I will be there. So will the top 5 of our poker league. Those 5 play the WSOP yearly as well as this same event and have cashed. 1 player took 7th at 300k gauranteed and took home 35k bucks. Not bad for an amateur. Little did the pros know that they were up against a skilled player . There were many "pros" there. I use the term loosely. Anyone who profits in their local 1/2 cash game daily at the casinos consider themselves pro . Insert belly laugh. Your advice against extreme. Amateurs is solid but you need to differentiat between. The two and understand that hiding your big chips behind your stack isn't gonna work on me or any serious poker player that's seen 500k to a million hands or more over their "amateur" career. Maybe one day I hope to see you at the tables.
@@ConsciousPoker I’m interested in your course. My goal is to master 1/2 live no limit. My concern is that much of poker training is geared to learning pro poker. I’d assume that strategy is often different on 1/2 tables because of the players that play 1/2. Is your course geared to me?
@@ConsciousPoker I’ve been playing for a few years. I’m a player with no real training. I have a basic understanding of the game from experience and some UA-cam videos.
It's a fallacy to say it's "easier to play against a pro". Rubbish. Good pros understand MDF and will not let you run them over or bluff them so easily. They will stick around NEARLY as much as the "reckless amateur". Only it will be with a finer understanding of ranges and probabilities. If you fold too easily you can't really be considered a pro. In Ed Miller's book "Poker's 1 %" he explains that very sticky amateurs are actually playing much closer to theory then even they realize. You're supposed to be a "pain in the arse" to make you less exploitable. The problem with amateurs is they start with ranges that are just too weak and their "stickniess" is just too much, they are losing players as long as you don't go overboard trying to exploit them.
Everything he says , applies to online poker. All that advanced strategy goes out the window. Idiots online limp in with KK in a late position !!! You put them on a range then pull your hair out when u see their hand at the end
I recently went abroad to play poker for a week, my first real foray into live poker. Compared to the online competition the players were so terrible I almost couldn't believe what I was seeing, but I wasn't running over them as hard as I thought I should. I remember sitting down on my bed the second day asking myself what I needed to do, and came up with basically your exact list. Wait for good hand, 3- bet it, hope to hit, rinse, repeat. I absolutely cracked up listening to you say it in almost the same voice I used in my head when I realized what I was doing wrong.
Yeah, it's boring as hell, but it works. I started getting accusations of ''this guy is so lucky, he always has it''. Yeah, I do always have it, that's what I'm doing, it's not luck. I'm just playing pure value nothing else, no light 3-bets, no balance, just have a hand, bet, and hope they made some bullshit like second pair to call it down with.
I hate accepting that but it’s bout all you can do. Tricks balance n sizing does nothing cause they don’t know that language even. Hardest thing for me is jus try to avoid getting bored n keep it simple
Yeah you're exactly right. How are you supposed to play your range and your opponent's range and use your frequencies when they don't understand what rangers are? You can have AQs, raise under the gun and go heads up against the small blind. flop comes KJ5. Small blind makes a pair of 5s and starts betting not even understanding that this flop is much better for you. You can't raise or semi bluff because he's just simply not afraid of the board nor your range. Lol
Hey, im a super noob. Could you myb explain how i 3-bet?
Yeah....hard to do when you've been getting cards that wouldn't make 16 in blackjack all night....after a while that A9 suited starts to look like pocket queens
Foreaalll!!!
Thought I was the only one hahaha
@@mikeschafer4440 One time I folded crap for long and hit pocket kings. Raised three times BB and five people called me. Guy to my right raises after flop and I call, everyone else folded. He hit trips after calling a raise with A-9. Should I raise more? It's so tough to fold after waiting so long
@@bradleegeraldkevin7799 maybe he woulda folded with 5x BB or something, you never know, basically just a shitty situation for you. I've been there before too. Or after getting shit for an hour I finally get kings and dude to my left gets aces.
@@bradleegeraldkevin7799 seeing as how 5 people called your raise, I'd say it was too small.
This is probably your best, most informative video for the average-above average players
Thanks really appreciate that. Trying to make the content more catered to those people.
@@ConsciousPoker Two years later...I just started playing. I've watched tons of 'Beginner' video's from top players, and I have to say this is by far the best macro strategy video I've seen! Great work!
@@bradymcguire5518 I feel that. You start studying and working on all these things your learning and then these weak players are giving you issues and it’s hard to see how to impliment these things and win. Biggest thing for me so far was just understanding stakes and the players in them. Like he said it’s a way different style n play at the micros than it is mid to high
Everything you do at the poker table conveys information
especially when you're all loosey goosey eating a sandwich
2:44 for start of how to play against amateurs
Thanks. Sick of the ranting UA-camrs
This was so helpful. I've had to start playing like this against my friends on poker night as I play quite a bit more than they do, and I also watch lots of videos trying to better my game. It was mildly disheartening to hear my exact thoughts confirmed, as I was hoping to find a little more room for creativity, but I'm sure over time they'll get better, and the game will become more like chess and less like checkers between us.
I play with my friends for 2 dollar buy in and 2 dollar rebuy. They dont study poker at all they just know the rules and have some experience. And i definitely try to bluff too much. This is great advice
One of your best videos. Simple, yet so many of us need to be reminded.
Thanks apprecaite that.
Although I usually do what you said in this video it's always good to listen to someone else give you a refresher course thanks Alex
Thanks for the support Edward.
Great concept that is new to me. Try to figure out what level your opponent is on and think only one level above.
Love your videos Alec, informative from beginning to end and every thoughtprocess explained in an easy but detailed way. Keep 'em coming!
Thanks Michel, appreciate that.
You are wrong dude. They can have seven deuce off suit lol!
Yep. Action junkies get a rush out of bluffing with 7-2o. They ignore all their losses and think they're super-awesome poker geniuses when their 4% hand hits
Lmao you’re not lying
This is how I feel when I play zynga poker I’ll be playing for a while and the first time I go all in preflop they call with 3 5 off suit
Lol! Exactly
Problem is people don’t have that much respect for fake games. Another thing I’ve learned in tournaments is that people will play wide when they’re not hitting anything. They’ll play 10 hands and by about the eighth fold they systematically get wider and wider because your blinds are going up and you don’t have enough chips to sit around and wait.
I always wait you do have to play a little loose early on . But once the cut off is done and no more rebuys that’s when you can implement poker strategy
No wonder my win rate is up so high at 1-2 live. Soooo boring. But now my image is so strong I can get away with bluffs more. Way more. .. Cuz "he always has it" 😎..
Come to St. Louis,mo. Play with your Boy!!!
Really good video, sometimes people can overthink poker against amateurs very true.
Appreciate that!
Thanks great to watch this again
Hi Alec...I really enjoyed this video. I play in a weekly game at my community clubhouse. I find that this exact advice is what I needed. I would say that I am by far the best player of the 15 or so people...in recent weeks, I have really taken my education the the next level. However, I haven't won the game in a month...even though I know my plays/range/bets were solid. I feel like I wasn't straying from my range.
Literally:
You'll lose on the River bc people think K/3o is a good hand.
Everyone limps in with anything...but you have to bet 4-6BB to isolate a hand.
Hard to represent anything anything beyond an obvious over card pair.
I just need to get back to the basics, and I bet I cash next week. This is the first of your videos I've watched. Looking forward to checking out more. The link above to your hand reading PDF doesn't appear to work. Could you send a new link please?
Did you win more ??
Wow, brilliant brilliant advice man. This is really important. Thanks!
Alec makes excellent videos I love the way he breaks things down . Hes a very good thinker.
Thanks for that.
Thanks for this. Exactly what I needed right now.
Just hearing you calling them "maniacs" already soothes my soul.
I agree with this i play very tight aggresive and i come out with 80% profit on me sessions.
@RFS dijkstra whats your range?
Thanks a lot for the tip!! I did the mistake of thinking 4 steps ahead instead of 1... poker is best played simple against Amateurs!
Thank you. Best possible video for a 2/5 player.
I have been wanting to ask the same thing. Well put together and explained. One of your most informative videos to date for us players looking to improve.
Thanks Luis really appreciate that!
i played the game against 7 guys, where half of them did not know the rules of poker well. the other half rised whatever two hands. there were no flops 1vs1 - almost every time, at least 4-5 ppl involved in flop. and if they found something interesting on flop, they call to river.. for example: flop: AK4 rainbow... the guy with T4o calls to the end against few opponents who bet/rise preflop. I played tight against them and end up with the same money I came with (luckily)... anyway it was from my perspective like playing against 7 guys. they simply moved chips between them all the time, if something went wrong they buy in... even with AA you are always behind against 5-6 opponents since they dont fold... its like 10-12 cards against your two - each time. it wasnt a fun and I could not call this a poker game ;-)
With the big hands did you make the pre-flop raise bigger. Like if it is a 1-2 game instead of making it 10 make it 27. If there are that many callers each time. Gotta make them pay/ thin the field.
You sound like you're afraid to shove it. Doubling up should have been possible at least once in a 4 - 5 hour session at a table of your description.
Grear video but still I have a question when your in a multiway pots with 1 calling station & and the other players they overfolding a lot how to play your draws?
Boils down to one sentence. Play good hands, bet on flop if you hit, check if you didn't.
So true.
You do realize they’re going to take advantage of that, right? Even amateurs will notice a trend
This guy is the master of stating the obvious or saying any option is possible.
I used to crush live games vs weak competition. But normally those tables had 2-3 crazy loose players and few ok players.
Now lately i am playing vs 6-7 super crazy and super loose players, and even when i 3 bet big they all call and impossible to know where you are vs 7 callers everytime you raise. And if i go all in they will fold , and we play super deep stack.
I still win regularly but having much more problem vs this group. We are playing 5/5 but almost every one have 200/300+ deep stacks.
Anyideas what should i do and how to approach this kinda table, i start to play more small ball then i like but it kinda helps me to control pots. And they pay me if i caj make my hand, however i was expecting to win much more with this table as they were all loose maniacs.
You say 'loose aggressive' but I think you are talking about 'loose timid', or calling stations.
I know it's not simple.
But .if you mostly play with only very good hands. And play them well !!
Well you should have above average wins
It's when you ,go off track. Then you start losing .
I'm an ok poker player and I have won a few small poker tournaments around 80,/ 100 people.
But ...
I remember when
Fidor holtz. Came about 3 Rd on the final table.and he was asked how he felt about that.he said
I played the best way I could,so I'm not disappointed..
That about sums it all up .
Thanks for your advice
I’ve tried to play against people online in free games like poker legends and it’s hard to get into cuz I’m trying to get better but I’m playing against scrubs who always want to go all in pre flop and nonsense like that. I don’t want to have to get into cash games online but idk how to play against serious people who are still amateurs on my level.
Its just to value bet against them and checking if you don't catch a hand. If they donk lead hard on the turn their hand improves significantly and you have to fold. Their bet size = hand strength.
video starts at around 4:00
Great!! I'm reading this at 8 minute mark.
(Tbh- that's because I was reading another comment thread) 😂
Years ago, I used to see pretty much nothing but calling stations in micro stakes games online. Now it seems like most people play tight before the flop. I used to make money by playing tight before the flop and aggressive if I hit a hand on the flop. This doesn't seem to work anymore because my stack drains away from posting blinds for a couple hours without seeing much action and from people folding when I make a hand.
Because the people playing poker for money these days are much better poker players on just about every level. There is a reason all the poker "pros" are selling books and coaching these days. Go to a card room and play lower stakes, it can be hit or miss. Some games won't even beat the rake with a decent win rate.
Where is Illi-“noise” exactly?
Play tag. and tp is perfect a tight raising range and tight calling range
As someone who only plays low buy in daily tournaments in Vegas, this is extremely helpful advice.
Should add a c bet most of the time to this strategy. If they reraise, fold, if not check turn, and perhaps river?
Losing discipline and falling into playing more hands that get you into trouble is the trap. If you're catching some cards, life is good. Pretty hard to drive an hour to play cards and fold for 3 hours of a 5 hour session, but that's what it takes sometimes.
Tip #1 hide your big chips behind your stack.
Why do you watch Alec's channel if you don't value his content? Why not spend your time more effectively?
I value Alec's advice, insights and perspective, so I win watching his videos.
You lose if you don't get the value, in both senses of the meaning.
One, you don't respect him or you wouldn't taunt him. Two, you are too deaf or dense to understand it, OR too eager to taunt him, to seek to torment him in your vindictiveness, as if YOU ARE PERFECT...LOL. Little petty pathetic troll.
Live a life worth living rather than waste it like this.
LightOn Stillwaters You sounds like you would be fun at parties
@@lightonstillwaters6789 wow wtf is wrong with you
Ace thru jack high makes it to showdown constantly (not just via free cards either) in my weekly game...
It's funny because recently I played with some amateurs and they are value betting top pair on very wetboards on the river and it confuses me every time..
It's just so annoying, when you wait for a good hand, raise with AKo. They call, then the flop is A93 rainbow. Against a good player that's a super flop, no flush draws, no straight draws, no full house potential. You raise them, they keep calling. In the end they go all-in, I call, then they show up with 93o. WTF is that?
"Beyond the scope of what we can talk about in this video" bro you can go as long as you want.
Wow... this is me. Thanks for the advice!
"IllinoiS" is pronounced as "Illinoy" lol. =P
9:50 Try heads-up!
We run an amateur poker league and if you follow the patterns they tend to land the same as in pro fields.
Edit: Link updated
The free downloadable Hand Range pdf is false! Clicked on the link and it tells you that they will provide a download link once you enter your email and they don't. It just takes you around in circles.
I'll change my response if corrected but otherwise disappointing from being introduced to you with this video.
Hey Riley, apologies for that you're right. Just updated the link now for the Hand Reading System. Best of luck to you.
@@ConsciousPoker much appreciated!
I’ve been playing against my *grandparents* who are *absolute maniacs* so thank you for this. They’ve been kicking my ass! They’re fearless, don’t really know much about poker so they don’t do anything that makes fucking sense, making them incredibly hard to play against.
Seriously? Stack 'em once or twice and they'll start to pause a bit. Cards in my household growing up was a blood sport. My parents were too notch canasta, rummy and bridge and chess players. My father couldn't beat my mother in chess (my grandfather, her father, was a beast, her brother chess club president in high school). Yeah, my childhood was competitive and now I crave it like a drug. Poker satisfies the itch.
I completely agree with you. It’s harder to put lose aggressive players on ranges, but they easier to play against. Don’t bluff, don’t C-bet, don’t represent hands. just play level 1. You’re almost getting pot odds and implied odds with them. So I get in pots with them often. Pretty much what he said. J,10 suited, Q,J, K,Q. Raised or 3 bet with A,A, K,K, A,K. Raise or call raise with QQ> , If late potion call with suited connectors. get in the pot when it’s cheap or when more then half the players are in the pot. You’ll go in a small downswing, but again with so many players are in the hand, you’re getting the much better pot odds and implied odds. When you have the winning hand, bet it get the max value. You’ll almost get the worse hand to call over 80 percent of the time. Ever since I have done that, I have way more of a winning session.
#1 rule of a ring game vs a beginner: don't forget there are 5/6/7/8 other people at the table. it doesn't matter if you play ABC poker against the amateur perfectly, if the next guy in line uses it to needle you for value every hand.
Good thoughts, thanks for sharing.
What does that mean? To needle for value? All the best mate, thanks so much.
@themousemaster yeah what does needle for value mean?
This is what I expected to hear. Good to get a pro confirmation. My home game has super loose players and will rebuy 5 to 7 times and will call down with air. Drunk social players are a confusing lot. Stick to the basics, engage with stronger hands to get paid off as I know they will call down…. Be patient.
It is very hard to put amateur recreational players on hands …. I play tight I mix it up with Marginal hands and am very disguised when I hit and very believable when I bluff … however aces against 8-3 starting off gto and transitioning mid hand is difficult I call shoved and I’m heading to the turn against two pairs 8-3 but how do I ever put them on the hand .
Very smart, totally agree
Thanks Chris.
I’m a winning amateur player and have no problem playing against pros. You have a mayor technical advantage over me so I don’t compete on that level. I push my advantage when I am definitely ahead. I put the pressure on pros, preflop and flop. I don’t give the pros a chance to outplay me.
I'm actually an amateur so, I enjoyed your video on how and why they are beating me, very helpful information thank you 😎
Quick tip, if you're playing over 50% of your dealt hands, you're never going to win long term. Blackjack hands at the front and speculate at the back. Both cards have to interact with each other somehow that makes sense. Very basic and easy basics that will get you on your way to losing less.
The hard thing with bad players is it is hard to read their hand when they don't know what they have.
the burn on checkers
Where's the link?
Hey Art, you can DL the Hand Reading System HERE: 4sp.at/HRS
ConsciousPoker Thank you.
That's so hard to do as simple as it is. I'll make a CORRECT read and turn up the aggression knowing they are weak and they call any size bet with 8 2 on an A 8 6 flop. lol. 3 barrel my KJs and then be mad at them that they didn't fold. lol.
What about on line colluders ,, how to beat them
Don't play against them.
Good video
Thanks for support.
How do you play against amateur players that place large bets in the dark (before they see their cards), raise constantly, and never folds no matter how bad their hand is. I’m an amateur to by the way.
You camp at that table until you have all the chips. It may take a while, but it's inevitable. Problem is that most players from the online poker scene don't understand that the game pace is much slower in the real world and it can take hours (5-6 sometimes) to catch enough hands to make decent money. Looking for places to double up is the key.
Excellent video, I am a better player already!😎😁
Thanks Kelly, glad you enjoyed it!
It's always fun to discover how you are being perceived and beaten easily. I appreciate seeing my silly amateur errors, a little bit embarrassing but lol
Since when people say amateur instead of amature
super helpful👍
Glad you think so!
The links for the pdfs don't work
I see no pdf link at all
I see no usable links also...
Apologies for the trouble while we get this fixed. If you email support@consciouspoker.com we'll take care of it.
Alec
So I consider myself a pretty decent poker player, and I have been playing cash games with a group of friends everyday for last few weeks and normally I end up with a pretty nice stack. Last few days though I have been playing against the luckiest players ever, ex: I have AK in big blind, limps around I 3 bet and get one caller, flop comes K36 two spades, (I don't have a spade) I bet, get raised and shove, they call with a Qs and off suit 6, I have them crushed on flop, but I already knew what was gonna happen, I announced to the table that he was going to runner, runner a flush and I was gonna leave. He did it
He really said Illinois and said the s
Link mentioned was not active for me?
You just play the nuts.
If you play basketball against a 6 year old, you don’t need to dunk on them to win.
Keep it simple and profit easily
People say you can’t bluff fish that’s not true I don’t go out of my way to bluff them
You should be showing examples not just speaking...anybody can talk to somebody and tell them what they're supposed to do.... You should be showing people what they're supposed to do.
How to play against the players who keeps getting All in
If "good" players cant figure out how to play loose amatuers, they are not good players. First. Dont be afraid of variance. Loose players increase table variance, and sometimes they go on heaters. Second, look for exploitable patterns in post flop play whether in a hand against them or not.
Its illinoi, not Illinoizzzz
Great video
Thanks!
The "S" is silent in Illinois bud.
Don't think that rebranding of a channel was a good idea...
Thanks for the feedback Henrich, what don't you like about it?
I guess there was no reason for that. I think that most of ppl started following you because of your personal brand as Alec Torelli, well known poker player. I think that's way more appealing business/viewer proposition than some anonymous Conscious poker, which could be created by any random Joe. Honestly even the word "conscious" is not that appealing for the UA-cam viewer. As a designer who did also some branding I suppose that your idea didn't come from nowhere and you ve done some analysis or hired professional before making this change. But for me it doesn't really work and I thought I could be somewhere in your core target group as a winning live cash game player.
Anyway good luck and send me a message if you want to discuss more. I m quite a nerd into content strategy :D
To be honest I did it all on my own because I felt inspired by the idea behind it all. Thanks for the feedback though, all noted.
Alec
I agree. I don't like the new channel name. Initially I wondered if it was even your channel or some random guy re-uploading your old videos. Secondly, the name 'ConsciousPoker' doesn't sound good to me. It is very passive and does not justify the brand in Poker that you bring in.
I disagree with the 2 other guys. I really support the idea of Conscious Poker concept and I believe that it will have a huge impact to the poker community in the end. It just needs time as everything that is new!
He pronounced the s in Illinois lmao
Raise pre flop with amateurs, they'll call no matter the amount. You have AA and they have a trash hand like 59o. Flop comes 5 8 9 and they have 2 pairs. Good luck getting them off.
I've Learned to-Just Have The Nuts&I Win The Pot-Just That Simple-Against Beginners,Amateurs,Pros-That Simple System-It Works-For Me! That's Why I Won-9 Pots in The Casino's Poker Rooms-With Successes-After Successes!-Raymond "Mike" Hong of Oakland, CA&UC Berkeley's Caldining Employee!
Wish I saw this video like 4 years ago lol
Never too late!
You should've figured it out in 4 years
9:25
U have to play different from players with no I'd then poker players that know what's going on
Pros play pros because they don't have a read on upcoming amateurs that still play 10k hands a month or more. I would love to run into you at the 300k gauranteed at the Beau in Biloxi. May change your mind about amateurs. I will be there. So will the top 5 of our poker league. Those 5 play the WSOP yearly as well as this same event and have cashed. 1 player took 7th at 300k gauranteed and took home 35k bucks. Not bad for an amateur.
Little did the pros know that they were up against a skilled player . There were many "pros" there. I use the term loosely. Anyone who profits in their local 1/2 cash game daily at the casinos consider themselves pro . Insert belly laugh.
Your advice against extreme. Amateurs is solid but you need to differentiat between. The two and understand that hiding your big chips behind your stack isn't gonna work on me or any serious poker player that's seen 500k to a million hands or more over their "amateur" career. Maybe one day I hope to see you at the tables.
Long way to go to get the chips dig in. YAWN.
pickaxe and shovel...
The thing that i find interesting is that if we all watch these videos then none of us gained anything
But few will apply what they have learned. There's always another level of where one can take their game.
@@ConsciousPoker I’m interested in your course. My goal is to master 1/2 live no limit. My concern is that much of poker training is geared to learning pro poker. I’d assume that strategy is often different on 1/2 tables because of the players that play 1/2. Is your course geared to me?
@@ConsciousPoker I’ve been playing for a few years. I’m a player with no real training. I have a basic understanding of the game from experience and some UA-cam videos.
Illinoizzze? Didn't pay attention in elementary school?
It's a fallacy to say it's "easier to play against a pro". Rubbish. Good pros understand MDF and will not let you run them over or bluff them so easily. They will stick around NEARLY as much as the "reckless amateur". Only it will be with a finer understanding of ranges and probabilities. If you fold too easily you can't really be considered a pro. In Ed Miller's book "Poker's 1 %" he explains that very sticky amateurs are actually playing much closer to theory then even they realize. You're supposed to be a "pain in the arse" to make you less exploitable. The problem with amateurs is they start with ranges that are just too weak and their "stickniess" is just too much, they are losing players as long as you don't go overboard trying to exploit them.
Everything he says , applies to online poker. All that advanced strategy goes out the window. Idiots online limp in with KK in a late position !!! You put them on a range then pull your hair out when u see their hand at the end
Workant
Bluff less...the end. I'm not a pro in the sense of making a living. But my skill is not amateur...its not super good.
Then you shouldn't be giving advive
Bluff is a five letter word and I don't use five letter words in these games. Beginners aren't good enough to fold.
Don't tomahawk against a scrub
If they dont want to go against amateurs then dont enter an amateur tournament. If u cannot support family by just playing poker, you are an amateur.
P
Like playing basketball with a 6 year old 😂