@@steveoshei1819a lot of those people also said in the same breath, Lamar has 2 & he won it already. Penalizing him for winning the award already. Something that didn't stop Rodgers/Favre from winning it back to back
@@jimmyb267 Jackson was def better last year. Y’all love showing how many more passing yards Josh had than Lamar but never put the attempts 🤔 also 29 passing touchdowns to 18 INT is nasty, there’s a reason he was 5th in MVP voting
@@RavensTheNextDynasty It's just about INT? How many 400 + yards games has Jackson had? One. Allen has 4. You turned this into a pissing contest. Admit it. You don't like Allen. This was never an issue when Mahomes got MVP. I wonder why?
Funny..all the media people who are the actual voters are saying Allen but all the football players like Ryan Brady Bradshaw and others have all said Lamar should win it.. I find that very interesting.. the wrong people decide mvp
Why, because you don't agree? Or could it be that most people (including the players) dont understand the criteria for the MVP? I can assure you it's not just numbers. If so, Lamar wouldn't have any
@@jakethethird1584go look at Lamar first mvp numbers and look at his weapons that year he led the league in passing tds and rushing yds for a qb with no weapons tbh
@kyledavis3739I can’t be the only fan who builds their days around seeing Jackson play. He’s the most electric player in the league. And that says something about who is actually the MVP.
Dumbest comment ever. Lamar won it and never had the best numbers in the league either time. How do you explain that?!? The problem is most people (including yourself) don't understand the criteria for the MVP.
@@jakethethird1584Lamar won it cause he beat 6 playoffs teams straight last year, he beat 49ers when the race was close between him cmac and Purdy. Josh Allen had 18 ints last year and Lamar didn’t turn the ball over much. You forgot about all that shit huh
They’ve been trying to coronate Josh Allen for five years now. But Mahomes has kept him at bay and now with a mahomes down year they trying so hard to force him over Lamar
@jimmyb267 The MVP last year should have been Dak Prescott or Christian Mccafrey. I never said Lamar should have been the MVP last year. But neither should Josh Allen either with his 18 Ints… cry some more
OJ ran for 2K when it was a 14 game season... If you think a 17 game record should not count than neither should a 16 game season since that was an expansion as well.
Ypg is how we judge it. You’re a bit extreme trying to discredit the whole season. No one thinks EDs record is more impressive than OJ. We put it in perspective. Same should be done for Saquon
Yeah I agree with Matt Ryan... And that's the thing, Lamar actually has to play the season finale, and it's a opportunity to redeem themselves against Cleveland after that outlier fluke of a loss the first meeting...
If you scaled Jackson's stats to equal Burrows attempts, Burrow gets blown away. Jackson has significantly more production/att than Burrow. This is why you can just use passing yards alone, because Jackson may not have Burrow's passing yards, but he's got significantly less attempts and is right on Burrow's heels with TDs and yards passing. And Burrows throws to Chase and Higgins, #1 and #2 receivers if they were on the Ravens!
Saquon Barkley should have gotten it done in The same amount of games but since he didn't he shouldn't be allowed to break that record with one more game played
That's fucking dumb. The NFL used to be 12 games. Then 14, then 16. Now it's 17 games. Go look at the history. The record only ever gets broken after games get added. It's how it's always been. Common sense, genius.
beating the chiefs and the 6 touchdown game. I cannot remember people lobbying for josh before that. The tush push rushing touchdowns Lamar could have and also Derrick Henry runs in a lot, i think that is a mark down against Allen and hurts. Lamar is on the verge of having a season with the highest ever single season passer rating in NFL history,, 40 touch downs, 4000 yards, almost 1000 rush yards and becomes NFL leading rushing QB in history and not win MVP, that will be wild as Josh does is not top in any category, wins should be Mahome, Darnold or Goff, yards and TDs is Burrow, total yards and TDs and passer rating is Lamar yet Josh seeems to be rewarded for those two televised gaes.
@ you’re missing the point! I’m specifically talking about Dickerson’s single season rushing record which Barkley didn’t break in 16 games! Non of Lamar’s records he broke this year has to do with the extra 17th game !
@ that’s fine but he still needs the extra game to break the record. Plus we know that you can’t play defense now like they did back then and the offense’s wasn’t as spread out for running lanes as it is now with constant 3&4 Receiver sets!
The argument can be made that the Ravens team improved while the Bills team declined. Buffalo was predicted to miss the playoffs because they lost their stars on offense and defense. Baltimore kept the core of their team while picking up players like Derrick Henry. MVP is supposed to be about who was the most valuable and had the greatest impact to their team's success. It is not supposed to be just about individual stats. Unfortunately, the award has become a popularity contest and very political. I think Josh Allen deserves it but I don't think he will get it. I could be wrong but it will be either Barkley or Jackson.
@@jimmyb267 did they exceed, or did they benefit from an easier schedule based on their finish last year and their division this year? You can only play the teams in front of you, but viewers have the ability to add nuance to a mass of numbers. If Allen had Jackson’s schedule, he’d have lost more games
@@dwilliams380Ravens lost to the Chiefs, Raiders and Browns and split the season with the Steelers. Their schedule was not harder than Buffalo's. Buffalo beat KC and Detroit. Who did Baltimore lose compared to Buffalo? They added Henry which was a big improvement in the backfield. Buffalo lost key players on offense and defense and still has a better record than Baltimore. Sure, Jackson has better stats but it isn't just about stats. If you were to switch QB's, do you think that Jackson could have put up those numbers in Buffalo? I would be surprised if Allen wins even though I think he deserves it most. Like I said, it will be either Jackson or Barkley in my opinion.
The Ravens play in a harder decision and lost a lot of players and coaches. The defense has suffered for it and everyone was counting the Ravens out. The Ravens were last in defense in the hardest division for 10 weeks. That's how they lost to the Browns and Raiders. The Ravens offense is top five in dropped passes. The Ravens lost three games because of the kicker.
Lamar and Allen were on the same field together. Only one stood out. And Allen even played the ravens when their defense was 32nd in the league. Please. Argument is done
Every real nfl player… is saying Lamar should have been the mvp..
what dose that tell u
Even mark Schlereth said Lamar should be mvp, and he’s a hater
@@Thesinfultruth A lot are saying Allen, which would be the correct call.
@@steveoshei1819cap
@@steveoshei1819a lot of those people also said in the same breath, Lamar has 2 & he won it already.
Penalizing him for winning the award already. Something that didn't stop Rodgers/Favre from winning it back to back
Thats not true at all lol
When they just had the passing stats up, man it’s embarrassing how much better of a passer Lamar is than Allen 😂😂😂
Wasn't the case last year now, was it? You're bias and that's ok because you're a fanboy.
@ yea shows the passing stats last season please. Show how many ints Josh had and how bad his rating was compared to Lamar 😭😭😭
@@jimmyb267 Jackson was def better last year. Y’all love showing how many more passing yards Josh had than Lamar but never put the attempts 🤔 also 29 passing touchdowns to 18 INT is nasty, there’s a reason he was 5th in MVP voting
@@RavensTheNextDynasty It's just about INT? How many 400 + yards games has Jackson had? One. Allen has 4. You turned this into a pissing contest. Admit it. You don't like Allen. This was never an issue when Mahomes got MVP. I wonder why?
@@jimmyb267 passing yards are irrelevant. You can’t have 400 yards and be losing the entire game 😭😭
Funny..all the media people who are the actual voters are saying Allen but all the football players like Ryan Brady Bradshaw and others have all said Lamar should win it.. I find that very interesting.. the wrong people decide mvp
Why, because you don't agree? Or could it be that most people (including the players) dont understand the criteria for the MVP? I can assure you it's not just numbers. If so, Lamar wouldn't have any
@@jakethethird1584not understanding the point ur making. lamar has won with and without insane numbers hasn’t he?
@@jakethethird1584go look at Lamar first mvp numbers and look at his weapons that year he led the league in passing tds and rushing yds for a qb with no weapons tbh
@jakethethird1584 there is no clear cut criteria for MVP it changes every year
@kyledavis3739I can’t be the only fan who builds their days around seeing Jackson play. He’s the most electric player in the league. And that says something about who is actually the MVP.
Lamar Jackson 🎉
They want Josh to be it so bad, its race related. Because if Josh had Lamar's numbers, we wouldn't even be talking about this shit. lol ha
Dumbest comment ever. Lamar won it and never had the best numbers in the league either time. How do you explain that?!? The problem is most people (including yourself) don't understand the criteria for the MVP.
Baltimore fans are such whiners. Keep crying because you'll be crying after Josh whoops lamar in 3 weeks. Then we'll see who the real mvp is
@karisa1022you just running ya Shìt rite now 😂.
@@jakethethird1584Lamar won it cause he beat 6 playoffs teams straight last year, he beat 49ers when the race was close between him cmac and Purdy. Josh Allen had 18 ints last year and Lamar didn’t turn the ball over much. You forgot about all that shit huh
@@Dont_worry_about_it-y4uthese mfers delusional 🤨 know they forgot about that 35 - 10 but we didn’t
They’ve been trying to coronate Josh Allen for five years now. But Mahomes has kept him at bay and now with a mahomes down year they trying so hard to force him over Lamar
Gimme a break. Jackson got MVP last year and he did not have the best stats. You're a hater and you're biased.
@jimmyb267 The MVP last year should have been Dak Prescott or Christian Mccafrey. I never said Lamar should have been the MVP last year. But neither should Josh Allen either with his 18 Ints… cry some more
@@RohnnyBravo😂 Done arguing with idiots.
@@jimmyb267you the idiot 😂🤡
@@jimmyb267 Then don’t comment on my post 🤡 capping for Josh Allen when he’s been outplayed by Rookies is nasty work
Eric Dickerson did it in 16 games
@@adamaltvater1764 oj did it in 14
@@TheWhiteFamilyChannel 💥
OJ ran for 2K when it was a 14 game season... If you think a 17 game record should not count than neither should a 16 game season since that was an expansion as well.
Saquon would break w/ less carries.
ED did it in 379 carries.
Saquon's at 345 & 104 yds short
Ypg is how we judge it. You’re a bit extreme trying to discredit the whole season. No one thinks EDs record is more impressive than OJ. We put it in perspective. Same should be done for Saquon
Lamar beats Allen in every stat
How tf is Allen even in mvp race even Sam darnold has better stats playing way
MVP MV3 EASILY 🎯💪💯
Neither the team records or playoff statistics would beg to differ matt Ryan
OJ Simpson did it in 14 games... 🤔
Saquan getting the offensive player of the year easily
Yeah I agree with Matt Ryan... And that's the thing, Lamar actually has to play the season finale, and it's a opportunity to redeem themselves against Cleveland after that outlier fluke of a loss the first meeting...
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If you scaled Jackson's stats to equal Burrows attempts, Burrow gets blown away. Jackson has significantly more production/att than Burrow. This is why you can just use passing yards alone, because Jackson may not have Burrow's passing yards, but he's got significantly less attempts and is right on Burrow's heels with TDs and yards passing.
And Burrows throws to Chase and Higgins, #1 and #2 receivers if they were on the Ravens!
Saquon Barkley should have gotten it done in The same amount of games but since he didn't he shouldn't be allowed to break that record with one more game played
That's fucking dumb. The NFL used to be 12 games. Then 14, then 16. Now it's 17 games. Go look at the history. The record only ever gets broken after games get added. It's how it's always been. Common sense, genius.
Jackson is outplaying Allen at every turn. Why is this even a debate?
Because Jackson won MVP when he did not have the best stats and was outplayed by Mahomes and Allen.
Because josh has sat multiple 4th quarters declining what his stats could be
beating the chiefs and the 6 touchdown game. I cannot remember people lobbying for josh before that. The tush push rushing touchdowns Lamar could have and also Derrick Henry runs in a lot, i think that is a mark down against Allen and hurts. Lamar is on the verge of having a season with the highest ever single season passer rating in NFL history,, 40 touch downs, 4000 yards, almost 1000 rush yards and becomes NFL leading rushing QB in history and not win MVP, that will be wild as Josh does is not top in any category, wins should be Mahome, Darnold or Goff, yards and TDs is Burrow, total yards and TDs and passer rating is Lamar yet Josh seeems to be rewarded for those two televised gaes.
That really waters down that record, i$ it was done in 16 games and Barkley takes 18 games that shouldn't be a record!!!!!
Eric Dickerson took 16 games to break a record that was set back when they had 14 game seasons. So if it is cool for E.D. then its cool for saquon
@@garysmithjr2166 Dickerson also had way more carries that Saqoun too, Saqouns yards per game is higher
If Barkley breaks the record he would have had an extra game to do it over Eric Dickerson! The MVP is Lamar Jackson!
Lamar and the rest of the MVP candidates also had extra games to prop their stats as well.
@ you’re missing the point! I’m specifically talking about Dickerson’s single season rushing record which Barkley didn’t break in 16 games! Non of Lamar’s records he broke this year has to do with the extra 17th game !
Barkley has significantly less snaps than Dickerson so thats a factor.
@ that’s fine but he still needs the extra game to break the record. Plus we know that you can’t play defense now like they did back then and the offense’s wasn’t as spread out for running lanes as it is now with constant 3&4 Receiver sets!
Saquon ABSOLUTELY should break the record then sit. He could break the record in the 1st quarter then chill.
The argument can be made that the Ravens team improved while the Bills team declined. Buffalo was predicted to miss the playoffs because they lost their stars on offense and defense. Baltimore kept the core of their team while picking up players like Derrick Henry. MVP is supposed to be about who was the most valuable and had the greatest impact to their team's success. It is not supposed to be just about individual stats. Unfortunately, the award has become a popularity contest and very political. I think Josh Allen deserves it but I don't think he will get it. I could be wrong but it will be either Barkley or Jackson.
@@jimmyb267 did they exceed, or did they benefit from an easier schedule based on their finish last year and their division this year? You can only play the teams in front of you, but viewers have the ability to add nuance to a mass of numbers. If Allen had Jackson’s schedule, he’d have lost more games
@@dwilliams380Ravens lost to the Chiefs, Raiders and Browns and split the season with the Steelers. Their schedule was not harder than Buffalo's. Buffalo beat KC and Detroit. Who did Baltimore lose compared to Buffalo? They added Henry which was a big improvement in the backfield. Buffalo lost key players on offense and defense and still has a better record than Baltimore. Sure, Jackson has better stats but it isn't just about stats. If you were to switch QB's, do you think that Jackson could have put up those numbers in Buffalo? I would be surprised if Allen wins even though I think he deserves it most. Like I said, it will be either Jackson or Barkley in my opinion.
The Ravens play in a harder decision and lost a lot of players and coaches. The defense has suffered for it and everyone was counting the Ravens out. The Ravens were last in defense in the hardest division for 10 weeks. That's how they lost to the Browns and Raiders. The Ravens offense is top five in dropped passes. The Ravens lost three games because of the kicker.
@@mrs.lovely8527nobody wants to understand that.
@RodneyWimbush-k2r ...no only Jimmy doesn't understand.
Lamar and Allen were on the same field together. Only one stood out. And Allen even played the ravens when their defense was 32nd in the league. Please. Argument is done
Lamar Jackson🎉