HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray: How Sony won the format war
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- This is the story of two HD disc formats that fought it out in the mid naughties, a battle similar to VHS vs Betamax in the 80s. But this was a battle that Sony (among others) were not going to lose.
PS3 killed off HD DVD... Sony was brilliant with including the Blu Ray player into the PS3.
+meathdetal yeah that sounds about right. It was Dumb on how HD DVD add on for 360 was 199 99 . just yesterday i Did not own Blu ray's Now i have a wide collection Of Blu Ray Films
But Xbox was stronger Guys 😂😂😂💪💪💪💪💪👍👍👍👍👍XBOX👈👈👈
But why did not Microsoft support HD-DVD instead? It would have been so cool if Xbox consoles had HD-DVD player built-in instead of regular dvd drive.
And lost a huge amount of money in the process.
I stumbled across your video while searching info about the Beta vs VHS war of the 80s. Just wanted to say you did a VERY good job on this report - editing, presenting and performance on camera. I presume you wish to enter media at some point or even journalism? Your presentation style and inflection is excellent and your style is superb on camera (I work in the industry). So I hope you continue with this channel as you seem (to me anyway) to have a gift for this industry! As I sideline, I jumped on board the HD-DVD train when it was launched. I was sure it would be the winner, due mainly to one fact that you failed to mention. The pressing plants that made HD-DVD had to perform very little 're-tooling' to produce those discs & could produce DVD and HD-DVD on the same presses. Whereas the BluRay plants had to be rebuilt from scratch - just a side point. So you can see why I thought. being in the industry, HD-DVD would win. As you say, I forgot about the 'rental market' - just the same situation as the Beta vs VHS rental market in the 80s, same issue, different time! Thanks for reading! Post more videos man, well done!
Thanks for your comment and positive feedback! So at what point did you switch to Blu-Ray?
You are right, HD-DVDs were much easier to make than Blu-Ray discs, which was one of the reasons that HD-DVD launched first. I didn't include this in the video, however, mainly because I didn't want the video to drag on for too long.
It is interesting to look at the similarities between the format war in the mid 2000s and the video tape war in the 1980s. Both were incompatible, both were priced differently and both claimed to be superior. It will be interesting to see whether we'll have another video format war in the future or whether online streaming will eliminate this idea.
Again thanks for the kind comment - I really appreciate it :)
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Good video and nice, clear presentation. I would maybe have changed the placement of the mention of PS3 to before the retailers dropping HD DVD as I believe that this was THE factor that killed it off for good. Well, that and the AACS debacle - I suspect those three factors were the perfect storm to sing the HMS HD-DVD.
Son, that was a great presentation.. that was top notch!!
I knew Blu Ray was going to win I love me some Sony. I wonder what would've happened if the xbox 360 had a built in HD DVD player and the games were made in HD DVD
HD DVD would've most likely win
Blu ray one on 17th November 2006 PS3 release date
High definition video disc media is truly underrated. Modern streaming media is heavily compressed and is entirely dependent on an Internet connection. There's something magical about using analog means (using a physical video disc on an analog television) as opposed to using streaming media on a digital flat panel television. In my honest opinion, streaming media on a digital flat panel television is only useful for 4K and beyond. Even the HDMI standard itself was originally designed for higher resolution beyond the original high definition standard (720p60/1080i60/1080p24); HDMI has been able to support 4K (2160p24/2160p30) as far back as HDMI 1.4.
Also, there's something else that you missed: The original Wii was not only incapable of playing either disc format; it was incapable of high definition output altogether. The console had similar hardware to the previous generation of consoles and was still limited to standard definition (480i) over composite (the Wii was technically capable of 480p over component, but the component connection is designed for high definition).
I was in the Blu ray camp due to it's capicity to hold more data and superior sound. Being an engineer in my opinon it wasn't a question which was better format. However there were very strong advicates like Paramount studios ( Who liked the cheaper production cost to upgrade some of it's DVD to HD DVD production lines, big businesses who wanted to milk HD-DVD and a few years later make the upgrade to a Blu Ray like technology. That would of milked the customers twice within a short few years again. Much as what they doing with 4k now. The technology and the processing power already there for manufactures to creat 8K content but they will hold of 4 - 5 years until everyone got upgraded to 4k TV, Players, and Media channels. around 2023 - 2025 8K will be pulled off the self dusted off and introduced as a revolutionary technology. That is how business works. By mid-late 2007 it was pretty evindent that HD - DVD was losing the battle. From rental to purchasing and a birilliant move from sony to include PS3 Blu ray player. ( Sony actually lost some money on their first generation of PS3 due to adding Blu Ray player & Having a backward compatible actual hardware to play ps1 & ps2 games. In the scond generation of PS3 the chip was dropped and there was a software emulator in it instead which drove down PS3 cost.) Sony Knew that adding Blu Ray player to an allready expensive PS3 would lose them higher profits in the short run but Sony will reap the benifits from a dominating Blu Ray in the long run. They didn't want to lose another format war again. However Toshiba did not want to admit defeat in October 2007. They started selling players with free HD DVDs and around Christmas 2007 there were big bundles of movies added free if you picked HD-DVD. Toshiba also banked on half the stuidos backing HD-DVD but in reality it was 4 vs 5 out of 8 studios. 7 backed one format and 1 backed both waiting out the winner. Warner Bro were printing in Blu ray and HD-DVD format. After the poor Christmas sales to add instult to injury on the 4th of Jan 2018 Warner bro announced that it will no longer support HD-DVD and will only continue with Blu ray production. This was finally the time when Toshiba holding on to their format against all odds throw in the towel. It was pretty evindent it will either be a slow death as more studios and companies step by step drop HD-DVD support or cut the loses and finally admit defeat and pull out. In Mid febuary this report came out >> " Toshiba is widely expected to pull the plug on its HD DVD format sometime in the coming weeks, reliable industry sources say, after a rash of retail defections that followed Warner Home Video's announcement in early January that it would support only the rival Blu-ray Disc format after May. "
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I waited till the format wars was over.
same, now I am staring at my copy of Captain America Civil war on Blu-Ray
I'm only starting to get into purchasing blurays now for things I want in my collection!
Sk2k52 Same
I also did the same. It wouldn't be until 2011, when I bought my first Blu-Ray disc, when I bought a laptop computer to play Blu-Ray discs. I was initially going to buy HD DVD, but decided to wait, since DVD was still strong. Despite Blu-Ray winning the format war, I hear Sony feels that they still lost, because they didn't factor in that movies depreciate in value overtime. The mass marketing also led to getting lower royalities. Now, some people are skipping owning physical copies of movies, that streaming services are eating away at their royalties. As for TV shows being released on disc, very few TV shows are being released on Blu-Ray. Most continue to be released on DVD, along with movies, that Blu-Ray hasn't fully caught on.
I heard that for the next format war, if physical formats continue, that the next format war will be on memory cards, once it gets perfected to read video off of it in HD quality.
As I live in Mexico we didnt get any HD DVD STUFF in here, I only knew about it because of a Angryvideogamenerd video recently! So what happened its that everybody just got the bluray player
This is good, but you didn't really go into detail on why companies sided with Blu-ray, and why other companies that used HD DVD before decided to switch to Blu-ray.
I didn't even have access to a 1080p display until winter break of last year, after I gotten a PS3 months earlier for both gaming and movies and really wanted to see Blu-Ray at full 1080p for a decent price. I can't go back to watching movies on DVD now.
Is this background music from Starfox Adventures on Gamecube, I'd recognize that flute melody anywhere!!!
I got one that plays both lol (by LG) ... Still have a tonne of HDDVDs
U have a great voice. You would be a perfect narrator
I ENJOYED THE INFO..IT WAS VERY HELPFUL...THANKS AND KEEP UP THE GOOD PROGRAMMING ...
I initially went with HD DVD because of Sony's prior failures like the Betamax, mini disc, super audio cd etc. I figured that this would be another medium gone wrong. Boy did I miscalculate that one. I still remember watching King Kong on my Xbox 360 HD DVD player and marveling at how great it looked. I actually bought a combo player by Toshiba that played both formats. Anyone else go down the same path I did based on the same information?
I was always annoyed minidisc never took off like it really deserved to. It was far superior to CD at the time and still was into the early days of low capacity MP3 players
My family rightfully stayed out of the war! Then we eventually got our first Blu-ray player, after Blu-ray kicked HD-DVDs to the curb.
At 2:56 I love how the article calls blockbuster a rental juggernaut, yet only a few years later, they are considered a fossil. Netflix killed them really fast.
Blockbuster is still in Australia
Very interesting, thanks!
Great video, wanted to know some history. very professional and clean video.
I'm impressed. Continue with format wars and old technology that became obsolete. Try not to look at the script but good job! Keep it up subscribed
I had a Sony PS3 so it was nice to be able to play BluRay movies.
I remember getting my first xbox 360 when i was 25 it came with hd dvd player add on lol
I worry this will happen when MCX goes live. I don't want it to kill off Apple Pay/Google Wallet.
Why couldnt Blu Ray and HD DVD both continue existing simultaneously without one of them having to die? Now that HD DVD is dead, all those who invested in an HD DVD player and HD DVD movies threw their money away. With video games, I like having the choice between PS4 and Xbone. Whats wrong with having choices when it comes to video formats?
Because its fukn pointless to have two different formats
Sjono
Thats like saying its pointless to have two different video game formats (xbox and playstatiaion).
You're comparing different things. Discs formats are used in way more applications than video games. People want a universal format instead of worrying if a disc wil play on their machine
RIP Blockbuster
I bought an HD DVD in March 2006. I always had problems with it
I jumped on Blu Ray because I was confident it was going to win and it did.
Yeah me too.
Maybe frame your shot a bit wider out so it doesnt look so obvious that your looking to your right to read what you're saying.
completely skipped bluray....was downloading way before!
Shit quality Downloading and Streaming services ❤
Blu Ray's better, but they should have made all DVD cases like HD DVD'S, because,just like the Blu ray, it takes up less space
I Jumped On The Blu Ray Bandwagon As I Knew Sony Would Win This Time Round, The First Blu Ray I Bought Was Ladder 49.
I was once that young, lol. How old were you when you shot this?
16
TechKnowledge Video Good grief mate.
Betamax only failed because Sony made it expensive to make a movie on beta max so nobody wanted to pay let's say 1million for a large cassette tape
Blue Ray: Betamax’s Revenge
Blu-Ray won because of PS3 buy the console and you have a blu-Ray player so people did have a need to get HD DVD
Pointless format war as Blu ray disc had majority support day one and Universal and Paramount were not big enough to be HD DVD exclusive
Yea, not sure that I agree with that. I think that when sony lost the VHS / betamax battle they started buying up film studios and distributors.Then they could control the format that they were released on, hence microsoft only managed to gain a small percentage of the film market.
Sony had learnt from their previous VHS/Betamax war mistake & microsoft had not even got out of the starting gate, always looked like a foregone conclusion to me, if you can't sell the goods, then you can't win the war....................
I love how disgusted he sounds when he says "The Rental Bucket."
I still have my Hddvd add on for my 360. Still runs great. I think it is manufactured by Toshiba if I'm not mistaken. I have over 100 hddvds and I still pick them up once in a while, since the price is so cheap. I think I paid $ 2 recently for Bullitt. I also don't see any differences in picture quality. Great video btw
are you old enough to know what a vcr is. lol
I also waited until there was a clear winner
If you just stand up and use a "better" background. I will be more comfect
We got completely ripped by Sony & their adult entertainment business. Toshiba "looked perfect" and would've come out eventually with "scratchless" discs. Check your pricing of their gear, we're stll getting jipped.
I am stuck with a regular DVD player. DVD's are still selling.
its all about Netflix
I just buy DVDs and Blu Rays all the time.
+joshua powell uh...no. and they won't be anytime soon.
Tripper Getem
we have 4k, 1080p is standard now, you should be buying blu-rays and with the little in price differance its stupid not to buy a blu-ray, pcs can play blu-rays ps3,ps4,xbox one and the wiiu can play blu-rays, you can buy a cheap bluray player for less than £80 you can buy a bluray player for you pc for £50 hell you can buy an old ps3 for £30. the only people who should be using dvds is old people.
joshua powell Hey Rush hour 2 and True Lies ain't on Blu Ray so I'm stuck with the DVDs and no one is going to buy 4k and love having both a DVD and Blu Ray version because all my friends have Netflix and a DVD player and all my horror films are on DVDs but action and comedys are worth the Blu Ray quality and go at Wal Mart you see more people buying DVDs than Blu Ray and I'm not old I'm only 19 years old.
Let's face it, none of that other shit mattered. The PS3 ended the format war. HDDVD didn't stand a chance.
HD DVD discs now suffer with disc rot Blu ray discs does not
I never invested a penny into HDDVD and told everyone I knew to run from it. HDDVD is 9gb disc and BR was 50gb disc. pppfff. To fit 1080p on a 9gb disc means lots and lots of compression. You can not put a 22mbps Video on 9gb and then to also include HDaudio when 5.1 uncompressed is 4gb+ audio track. Playstation did help a lot in better more BR players out there. A lot of families only put the video games on the main family TV. Families were thrilled to use the video game as BR players!
NotWatching666999 it was 15gb but dual layer gave it 30gb you wouldn't see a pause as it loaded in advance.
NotWatching666999 FHD movies fit perfectly in HD DVD.. and dolby plus was perfectly compatible with every surround device sold to that moment.. Blu ray streamed stereo pcm to non compatible recivers as most of the movies come in PCM or dts master audio.. it is too big for FHD and too small for 4k.. the truth is.. they should had an agreement to keep Blu ray as a test until 4k has properly developed.. this way they could both coexist and aim to specific needs.
I have never watched a Blu Ray so i must be a tech illiterate.
Funny how Apple backed Blu-Ray yet they did nothing with it.
do more videos
Arent you a precious thing ?; well i dont know , what did mommy tink?
Sony lost the last format war. They lost the beta vcr format war and did everything to make sure they were not gonna lose this one.
Betamax and Blu ray disc where the superior format as was Super Audio CD over DVD Audio.
Maybe if the Xbox 360 had hd dvd built in had dvd might of won
Nah 30GB Dual Layer HD DVD Vs 50GB Blu ray disc Dual Layer 😂
You'll be reading the news in 10 years
Sony won this format war with the Playstation 3.
I like blu ray movies
Blu-ray
I have hddvd
I just brought a ps3
Blu ray won because its stores more data then HD-DVD Storage Format could of. Both are HD 1080p quality.
but no one really cares about blu ray' because dvd is just fine and cheap as hell, the battle is not yet over
That's far from correct.
Really, who cares. We have Netflix now
We got completely ripped by Sony & their adult entertainment business. Toshiba "looked perfect" and would've come out eventually with "scratchless" discs. Check your pricing of their gear, we're stll getting jipped.
How did we get ripped off better Blue laser optical disc.