Wamatangi i want to just say that although i normally don't agree with you, i love that you present your points without malice or crudeness. As always, Linthuri disappoints in presentation of argument. Miguna, as always, thanks for bringing clarity to issues. Otiende, i will forever envy your calmness and sobriety in matters political. Thank you for always being a gentleman
Miguna very smart,and otiende I see the crude raw patriotism that will take you so high!!!!high up in championship in civil rights and leadership 👊👊👊👊👊
and you to your banana republic. where i will go is none of your business. you are too thick to believe that the only place a NASA voter can go is bondo... NASA zones start from Mombasa all the way to Lake Victoria.
I like the way luos assign themselves mombasa as if there are no coast people.. in fact kaluma is arrogant enough to assume maasais, kalenjins, kambas all want to secede and be under "Raila for life" kingdom
good for you, I hope you enjoy the excellent services from your nasa governors.. all we need is access to the port, you can keep that filthy city to yourselves
Dr. Miguna and Dr. Otiende Amollo's arguments are too advanced and well reasoned to be understood by the other two discussants. Instead of facing Miguna's issues, they slide into myopic and shallow arguments which don't address the matter in question. The Jubilee squad cannot make independent argument, instead they hinge their comments on what the NASA team has said. This is the trouble with Kenyan leadership, and the cause of Kenya's failure to exploit its full potential as a progressive and just nation-state.
Nonsense ,your is just a skewed tribal narrative to advance Odingaism that's been rejected by Kenyans 5times.Full potential my ass, is that how Raila led kibera for 20yrs with hopeless potential and Kidero left Nbi a filthy broke city?
@Pietro Jenkins: I am sorry for annoying you that much; re-awakening the unbridled hatred you have for some communities and personalities in your country. Truth is a constant and its reality is unitary, that is, there are no two or more ways about it. But from "constructivist" philosophical standpoint opinions can be myriad, and you're entitled to yours no matter how biased and debased they may be from the contextual realities. Although I am not Kenyan, the world over it is known from development theory that development cannot be the role of a Member of Parliament (whose sole role is to legislate). On Kidero: be reminded that Nairobi's history is not 4 years old but about 100 years. I take note that you've rushed to label me as tribalist. That line of argument is in the province of people who cannot sustain an intellectual discourse - and you betray yourself on that score. In summary, yours is simply a pathetic and bigoted argument meant to assuage your own twisted mind.
We want Baba to b president otherwise We r seceding with you uthamaki Government you have been stealing Babas presidency for the third time nw Shame on you
Sen. Kimani Wamatangi is an amazing person when it comes to not confronting the truth and facts, and also peddling cheap negative politics. First, he denies the obvious fact that there is exclusion in Kenya. Kenyans recently watched DP Ruto publicly telegraph exclusion in his speech when he called upon - for recognition - senior government officials who attended Bishop Korir’s funeral. Second, Wamatangi repeated reference to “Luo Nyanza” is a dog whistle meant to set the stage for tagging of Luos. For starters, “Luo Nyanza” phraseology was coined by former Provincial Commissioner John Kaguthi under the former President Moi to tag and politically isolate Luos from the other tribes (namely; Kisiis and Kurias) who live in the former Nyanza Province - which is dominantly Luos’ ancestral land. The Kaguthi strategy at the time was to tag Luos (i.e., give them a bad name) and use the bad name to “hang” them politically. Willful continuation of this “tag and hang” strategy as attempted here by Wamatangi, however surreptitiously, portends greater long-term harm to unity in Kenya than people realize. Let me illustrate, no one in Kenya has ever heard of “Kisii Nyanza” or “Kuria Nyanza” -in a manner similar to “Luo Nyanza.” Also, as much as there are Kikuyus and other tribes living in Rift Valley, Kenyans have never heard of the Kikuyus living there being tagged as “Kikuyu Rift Valley”, or “Kikuyu Coasterians” (for the former Coast Province), etc. It would be wrong and terrible to tag them that way. My point being: Wamatangi is very comfortable talking of “Luo-Nyanza” in perpetuation of the Kaguthi’s strategy, but would not dare talk about “Kikuyu-Rift Valley” because he knows fully well how politically explosive that would be. Last but not least, the United States of America has been in existence for over 200 years, but Americans still keep referring to their union as imperfect, but a working progress. They also refer to the union as a “project” - i.e., something they have to nurture or keep working on until perfection is achieved. So, when Raila refers to Kenya as a project, it is in the context of what has to be nurtured towards perfection. So, there is nothing negative when Raila refers to Kenya as a project. Mr. Wamatangi would rather we believe otherwise, which is not helpful.
HEHEHEHEYYYY, I LOVE THE MAN OF FACTS...MIGUNA MIGUNA. HE IS BOLD, IS NOT INTIMIDATED BY ANYONE. HE IS A MAN OF PEOPLE, REPRESENTS THE TRUE HEARTS OF ORDINARY VOICELESS PEOPLE
i feel like whenever dr. miguna is speaking the listener is always becoming more intelligent....i hope my name does not betray me in any way whatsoever.
Who agrees that Otiende has, with a flick of a toothpick, tossed the sum total of Wa-Matangi's brain into a thimble? The spoon of logic in hand, Miguna has scooped what is left of Lituri's pea brain and dualo'ed it like kuon to smithereens.
Miguna Miguna And Otiende Omollo are just wasting their energy time and brain trying to argue with the same tribe that oppresses them. majority of millions of kenyan marginalized communities want to seceede not useless kikuyu impunity masters.
Kenya is a banana republic i may think and also is a country ruled from outside and that is why kenyan opposition leaders are going to USA and England.
Wamatangi doesnt use sense in his arguments..he is applying many assumptions and he is twisting grievances!! I would have difficult problems in a debate with him(as his brain is twisted) but l would win all the time!! Poor poor analyst oh my God!!
A judge should be a competent person to make a judgement based on facts but not people opinion and the media. The idean an issue shouldn't be discussed "to avoid influencing judge" its total primitive
Kikuyus are busy stealing luos buy sofas because u only live once. You have never been to Nyanza to see some of the beautiful houses that u cannot compare with central. A luo loves himself so they must furnished their houses when u die u leave everything in this world. Kikuyus are thieves not hard workers.
Mattio Blue .That's your theory,mind you in every community there is a priest,a witch,a beggar,a thief,a prostitute,a very hard working person,etc,so yours is just a mere nonsense.
Is it true what Otiende is saying about the notes? Is Uhuru forcing us to see his father on notes even though the new constitution has banned portraits on new notes?
Ali Clay ,that is not his father, it's the beast whose his system was full of tribalism, corruption, killings, poverty, sickness etc and GOD THE FATHER HAS COME UPON THE LAND AND THIS WILL NOT CONTINUE ANYMORE. IMEKUWA
A TIME WHEN HALF THE COUNTRY IS CONTENTED WITH THE CURRENT REGIME, THEN WHY STAY? SELF RULE IS BEST. UNFORTUNATELY WE CANNOT SIT BACK EN SAY WE ARE UNITED,KENYA IS TRUELY A DIVIDED STATE.
I disagree with Sen Wamatangi...I will give you a good example......the central province/Nairobi had more National Schools than any other province...WHY??? Where do people like Uhuruto get money to build billionaire homes??? Actually those two should be impeached to explains where they got the money from. Do they even have a conscience that so many peoe live in the slams??? Also do they have a reason to tell people why the refused FIN and Scotland Yard to help investigate Chris Musando's death??? Was the Uhuruto/Jubilee Regime involved in the assassination and thus the are afraid they will be exposed to the world foir killing someone who had promised people he was going to conduct a Free,chair and Credible ELECTIONS. What are they hiding??? TELL KENYANS THE TRUTH ON ALL THESE ISSUES ABOVE!!!
Wamatangi is not sincere, arguing points with zeal but no point is brought forth. I just don't know how Kiambu people elect such manipulative corrupt politician to represent them. He is a poor representative of Kiambu as I know very many very good people from Kiambu who should be holding this position. I hope that my brothers and sisters from Kiambu are watching and can listen to these debates.
Kenya has been divided since independence and it is as if it belongs only to the Kikuyus and Kalenjins while the rest are treated as refugees and Luos are aliens so with this only the Kikuyus and Kalenjins are entitled to hold the high office of the land . Kenyatta ruled for 15yrs Moi 24 Kibaki 10 Uhuru wants to short change Ruto the way Kibaki did to Raila and be the life president. All civil service private sector parastatal appointments foreign missions etc are divided by the 2 tribes only. While the armed forces police county commissioners etc are also for the 2 tribes. Elections have got predetermined results and are massively rigged. So really the rest don't belong here
Sunset and Raila has been representing all those other tribes all this years? Be honest this tribal card been played is to ensure Raila Coronation. If you truly wanted change then NASA would have conducted democratic nominations and the winner would have defeated Jubilee.
Here for Miguna and Otiende ! rest I fast foward
I am doing the same!!!
Same here. Wamtangi is an idiot. Does not like facing ugly facts and wants to shut people down who speaks to the truth.
Miguna tell them .....
Miguna naka from Australia much support and love our ML king.........yea i said it
Dr.Otiende......always on point
This man Miguna, he has nailed the nail on the head.
Domo whats the solution.......I dont want the problem...??
Wamatangi i want to just say that although i normally don't agree with you, i love that you present your points without malice or crudeness. As always, Linthuri disappoints in presentation of argument. Miguna, as always, thanks for bringing clarity to issues. Otiende, i will forever envy your calmness and sobriety in matters political. Thank you for always being a gentleman
Rhena Adhis, you say it so well. I also admire your fair mindedness.
Miguna Miguna is really on it and on track. Kudos!!!
Miguna very smart,and otiende I see the crude raw patriotism that will take you so high!!!!high up in championship in civil rights and leadership 👊👊👊👊👊
Dr. Miguna Miguna, Dr. Otiende Amollo 👍
secession fullstop, we are already divided. lets divide kenya and we can stay as good neighbours just like we are with uganda, tanzania, somalia etc
hope you will be heading to republic of bondo...
and you to your banana republic. where i will go is none of your business. you are too thick to believe that the only place a NASA voter can go is bondo... NASA zones start from Mombasa all the way to Lake Victoria.
I like the way luos assign themselves mombasa as if there are no coast people.. in fact kaluma is arrogant enough to assume maasais, kalenjins, kambas all want to secede and be under "Raila for life" kingdom
And we don't want our Meru region polluted with stone throwers either.Good riddance .
good for you, I hope you enjoy the excellent services from your nasa governors.. all we need is access to the port, you can keep that filthy city to yourselves
Miguna you are right. Malava us dispensary not district hospital. Tell them we all pay taxes
Miguna is one of the MOST qualified KENYANS he should be in the CABINET!
Miguna miguna! This is the kind of leadership that we need
The way Miguna is writing his notes 😁 😁 😁. I can listen to Miguna all day
What we need is people of integrity with the will to respct our institutions and the constitution. Without that we will be talking of reforms forever.
Well said ,these fools don't see Raila & Co want reforms ,repeat elections and IEBC changes just for their own short term interests.
the truth really hurts. Miguna has told them the way it is. good work work Miguna we need men like you in NRm
I could listen to Otiende Amolo and Miguna Miguna for the whole day, very articulate and intelligent
BRIGHT BRAINS. THANK YOU
why cant we have same heads like miguna"s in Kenya, hit the nail on its head ,
Dr. Miguna and Dr. Otiende Amollo's arguments are too advanced and well reasoned to be understood by the other two discussants. Instead of facing Miguna's issues, they slide into myopic and shallow arguments which don't address the matter in question. The Jubilee squad cannot make independent argument, instead they hinge their comments on what the NASA team has said. This is the trouble with Kenyan leadership, and the cause of Kenya's failure to exploit its full potential as a progressive and just nation-state.
Nonsense ,your is just a skewed tribal narrative to advance Odingaism that's been rejected by Kenyans 5times.Full potential my ass, is that how Raila led kibera for 20yrs with hopeless potential and Kidero left Nbi a filthy broke city?
@Pietro Jenkins: I am sorry for annoying you that much; re-awakening the unbridled hatred you have for some communities and personalities in your country. Truth is a constant and its reality is unitary, that is, there are no two or more ways about it. But from "constructivist" philosophical standpoint opinions can be myriad, and you're entitled to yours no matter how biased and debased they may be from the contextual realities. Although I am not Kenyan, the world over it is known from development theory that development cannot be the role of a Member of Parliament (whose sole role is to legislate). On Kidero: be reminded that Nairobi's history is not 4 years old but about 100 years. I take note that you've rushed to label me as tribalist. That line of argument is in the province of people who cannot sustain an intellectual discourse - and you betray yourself on that score. In summary, yours is simply a pathetic and bigoted argument meant to assuage your own twisted mind.
Chigarized Biki 2 doctors and 2 students you know the outcome
sad state of affairs,miguna! aluta continua
Does Wamatangi make sense to anybody?
We want Baba to b president otherwise
We r seceding with you uthamaki
Government you have been stealing
Babas presidency for the third time nw
Shame on you
Minguna hapo uko poa
Miguna is bullying linturi and wamatangi...VIVA Miguna Miguna
Sen. Kimani Wamatangi is an amazing person when it comes to not confronting the truth and facts, and also peddling cheap negative politics. First, he denies the obvious fact that there is exclusion in Kenya. Kenyans recently watched DP Ruto publicly telegraph exclusion in his speech when he called upon - for recognition - senior government officials who attended Bishop Korir’s funeral. Second, Wamatangi repeated reference to “Luo Nyanza” is a dog whistle meant to set the stage for tagging of Luos. For starters, “Luo Nyanza” phraseology was coined by former Provincial Commissioner John Kaguthi under the former President Moi to tag and politically isolate Luos from the other tribes (namely; Kisiis and Kurias) who live in the former Nyanza Province - which is dominantly Luos’ ancestral land. The Kaguthi strategy at the time was to tag Luos (i.e., give them a bad name) and use the bad name to “hang” them politically. Willful continuation of this “tag and hang” strategy as attempted here by Wamatangi, however surreptitiously, portends greater long-term harm to unity in Kenya than people realize. Let me illustrate, no one in Kenya has ever heard of “Kisii Nyanza” or “Kuria Nyanza” -in a manner similar to “Luo Nyanza.” Also, as much as there are Kikuyus and other tribes living in Rift Valley, Kenyans have never heard of the Kikuyus living there being tagged as “Kikuyu Rift Valley”, or “Kikuyu Coasterians” (for the former Coast Province), etc. It would be wrong and terrible to tag them that way. My point being: Wamatangi is very comfortable talking of “Luo-Nyanza” in perpetuation of the Kaguthi’s strategy, but would not dare talk about “Kikuyu-Rift Valley” because he knows fully well how politically explosive that would be. Last but not least, the United States of America has been in existence for over 200 years, but Americans still keep referring to their union as imperfect, but a working progress. They also refer to the union as a “project” - i.e., something they have to nurture or keep working on until perfection is achieved. So, when Raila refers to Kenya as a project, it is in the context of what has to be nurtured towards perfection. So, there is nothing negative when Raila refers to Kenya as a project. Mr. Wamatangi would rather we believe otherwise, which is not helpful.
Wapy likes za Miguna.
hapa
Likes zake ni standard!!
HEHEHEHEYYYY, I LOVE THE MAN OF FACTS...MIGUNA MIGUNA. HE IS BOLD, IS NOT INTIMIDATED BY ANYONE. HE IS A MAN OF PEOPLE, REPRESENTS THE TRUE HEARTS OF ORDINARY VOICELESS PEOPLE
Larry Madoho can learn from Trevor how to moderate a political show.
Wamatiangi, if GEMA has numbers more than the rest of Kenya, WHY DO YOU FEAR SECESSION???
I did not know about the currency and the book.....profound knowledge of the constitution.
Definition of impunity and a banana republic "made simple" made my day!!! Even a standard 4 would understand these clear cut definitions!!
one million signatures will make it more let us start it already why waste time
i feel like whenever dr. miguna is speaking the listener is always becoming more intelligent....i hope my name does not betray me in any way whatsoever.
Miguna we pray for you please go for it
Miguna has proved the Meru heavy accent man Mithika and Wamatangi that nothing is between their heads.
Otiende Amolo the man!!!
Miguna!!!! educate them.
I do like Miguna knowledge
wacha utusi Miguna is like mandela
stupid ni wewe you can not face the truth
Miguna is an opportunistic coward literally. He can talk but cannot walk the walk.
Miguna, my Man.
H.E Miguna M I owe you my vote
Brilliant minds Miguna Double and Otiende. Thumbs up!!!
Kudos Mithika! Let's put them straight!!!
Who agrees that Otiende has, with a flick of a toothpick, tossed the sum total of Wa-Matangi's brain into a thimble? The spoon of logic in hand, Miguna has scooped what is left of Lituri's pea brain and dualo'ed it like kuon to smithereens.
Dr.Otiende is level headed
Anybody like him advancing Raila ideology is just nuts.Railaphobia is real and those people who see it are the level headed ones.
I like how Linturi handles Miguna Miguna
Miguna Miguna And Otiende Omollo are just wasting their energy time and brain trying to argue with the same tribe that oppresses them. majority of millions of kenyan marginalized communities want to seceede not useless kikuyu impunity masters.
Linturi and Wamatangi have attended so many of these debates and learnt absolutely nothing! I wonder what hope there is for common ground!!
Domo si tujaribue Muguna to run estafro this man is true leader!!!!!!!!
Beautiful description of a banana republic!!!!
wamatangi pliiiz spare us the rhetoric the biook exists in kiambu....so secession is the way out
Excellent debate... Trevor can moderate
miguna
Kenya is a banana republic i may think and also is a country ruled from outside and that is why kenyan opposition leaders are going to USA and England.
Kiambu curriculum has been exposed! No wonder thickness there is not an option!
Wamatangi doesnt use sense in his arguments..he is applying many assumptions and he is twisting grievances!! I would have difficult problems in a debate with him(as his brain is twisted) but l would win all the time!! Poor poor analyst oh my God!!
Njugush Video Gamer 😍😍😍😍😍😚😚😚😚😛😛😛😛😘😘😘😙😙😗
Humphrey Andolo Wamatangi's head is still in his ass! Please forgive him!
Do you have Meru curriculum for us Imenti folks?
Pietro Jenkins 😙😙😙😙😙😙😙😙
Sure Miguna has really deconstructed wamatangi today on the controversial Kiambu social studies book.
Miguna tibim
Mithika na kimani bure kabisa kachezeni gololi
Miguna is not bitter nor ignorant!!! He speaks the truth!!!
Book crazy kiambu waaah
beth m !5
A judge should be a competent person to make a judgement based on facts but not people opinion and the media. The idean an issue shouldn't be discussed "to avoid influencing judge" its total primitive
How old is Trevor Ombija...am beginning to like him. Wamatangi be short and clear plz.
Lituri, please speak English
" The Greatest Leaders are never elected." Miguna
Njanjes... hautcome... to mbe.... ngag people... mbest... prosinja... elentron fraud... ndibet... oh my God!!!
Listening to him is very exhausting!! :)
linah Atieno I agree he he he
MIGUNA MIGUNA SAYS THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. UNFORTUNALY, HIS FACTS/TRUTH CANNOT BE SWALLOWED BY PEOPLE IN DENIAL LIKE JUBILEE.
Otiende omollo
His simply beautiful..
Are these Kikuyus still boasting of how luos will never rule in kenya.?Are small marginalized tribes part of kenya?
For how long pple like wamatangi e going to b left boys of nation?
Banana Republic 😂😂😂Viva General
Miguna Miguna
Kikuyus are busy stealing luos buy sofas because u only live once. You have never been to Nyanza to see some of the beautiful houses that u cannot compare with central. A luo loves himself so they must furnished their houses when u die u leave everything in this world. Kikuyus are thieves not hard workers.
Mattio Blue .That's your theory,mind you in every community there is a priest,a witch,a beggar,a thief,a prostitute,a very hard working person,etc,so yours is just a mere nonsense.
Wamatangi should agree that Kikuyu's are always swearing that no luo should never b a president of Kenya.
But they're immature and irresponsible ...stone throwers ,rioutous goons and pro poverty.
Did u call me a liar😂😂😂😂😂😂😂..... Miguna Miguna the General
Simba Imara hahahaha
Simba Imara hahaha! he was like, "man! u didn't"
sheikha said ahahaha noma sana
Mithika Rintuli Kiraitu Murunngi is am example of tumbocrates. They care about themselves and not the Meru society. Akwende nauko
otiende omollo great mind
10.43 He DID say Miguna is a liar...just saying
Is it true what Otiende is saying about the notes? Is Uhuru forcing us to see his father on notes even though the new constitution has banned portraits on new notes?
Ali Clay ,that is not his father, it's the beast whose his system was full of tribalism, corruption, killings, poverty, sickness etc and GOD THE FATHER HAS COME UPON THE LAND AND THIS WILL NOT CONTINUE ANYMORE. IMEKUWA
Thanks wamatangi for taking migunas sunglasses off.
A TIME WHEN HALF THE COUNTRY IS CONTENTED WITH THE CURRENT REGIME, THEN WHY STAY? SELF RULE IS BEST. UNFORTUNATELY WE CANNOT SIT BACK EN SAY WE ARE UNITED,KENYA IS TRUELY A DIVIDED STATE.
Cessation was a good idea. I pray it happens some day.
Mr Wamatangi keep your points to yourself. Noise to our ears.
I disagree with Sen Wamatangi...I will give you a good example......the central province/Nairobi had more National Schools than any other province...WHY???
Where do people like Uhuruto get money to build billionaire homes??? Actually those two should be impeached to explains where they got the money from. Do they even have a conscience that so many peoe live in the slams??? Also do they have a reason to tell people why the refused FIN and Scotland Yard to help investigate Chris Musando's death???
Was the Uhuruto/Jubilee Regime involved in the assassination and thus the are afraid they will be exposed to the world foir killing someone who had promised people he was going to conduct a Free,chair and Credible ELECTIONS. What are they hiding???
TELL KENYANS THE TRUTH ON ALL THESE ISSUES ABOVE!!!
I miss this miguna of 2017 2018
But the question is
Can you sit down with dictators to discuss things?
It's impossible
What approach Kenya is not your personal item.
Miguna is the next president of Kenya
Hallo I supported miguna
Miguna is straight and clear that's why you people don't like him
Hon . wamatangi u r wasting airtime answer the question.
Miguna, you are a man and a half? Tell them to murmur in their response. Truth is bitter. I love your accountability.
Wamatangi alikua analala class aki saa hii migua anaongea yy ako busy anachat hapo thn akiulizwa swali ana stama hapa bure kabisa
Wamatangi is not sincere, arguing points with zeal but no point is brought forth. I just don't know how Kiambu people elect such manipulative corrupt politician to represent them. He is a poor representative of Kiambu as I know very many very good people from Kiambu who should be holding this position. I hope that my brothers and sisters from Kiambu are watching and can listen to these debates.
matiangi cannot handle the pressure he drinks alot of wAter truth hurts.amollo and miguna facts on fingertips but matianga on defence and denial
Who said you cannot discuss issues that have been petitioned? Geez!!
deal with facts wewe kikuyu.....stop calling someone a lair when he has produced facts with references.......
Tuesday comedy
Wa Matangi is misleading kenyans .... He should be true....
You just clearly said that he is a liar Mr. Linturi
Otiende umeng'ara 👍👊
lintury was very empty here! hahhaa!
sʌb ˈdʒuːdɪsi this is the correct pronunciation
Kenya has been divided since independence and it is as if it belongs only to the Kikuyus and Kalenjins while the rest are treated as refugees and Luos are aliens so with this only the Kikuyus and Kalenjins are entitled to hold the high office of the land . Kenyatta ruled for 15yrs Moi 24 Kibaki 10 Uhuru wants to short change Ruto the way Kibaki did to Raila and be the life president. All civil service private sector parastatal appointments foreign missions etc are divided by the 2 tribes only. While the armed forces police county commissioners etc are also for the 2 tribes. Elections have got predetermined results and are massively rigged. So really the rest don't belong here
Sunset
Stay " Woke" They want you to think people are divided Its not about you its about them ..
Sunset and Raila has been representing all those other tribes all this years? Be honest this tribal card been played is to ensure Raila Coronation. If you truly wanted change then NASA would have conducted democratic nominations and the winner would have defeated Jubilee.
Infact Steve Biko is the founder of South Africa, not Mandela. That great son of Africa can only be compared to none.
A rather convenient end to the show eh?