1967 Vietnam War: Operation Bolo - Knocking Out VPAF's Migs | DCS Reenactment
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- Опубліковано 21 тра 2024
- Today we re-enact Operation Bolo from early 1967. Robin Olds devised a plan to knock out the majority of North Vietnam's modern Mig-21 air force with cunning and miss-direction using F-4 Phantoms. I have taken the liberty of changing flight plans etc from the real event to better suit our version of the mission.
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0:30 Overview
1:37 Scenario Details
5:40 Mission
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While the F-4s heads to the demilitarized zone, Cap heads to the demonetized zone
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What else is new.....?
@@edwardhugus2772 Cap needs to turn that into a Meme then trademark it to make up for all the money he's lost.
oof, true that.
In "late 1966" I was looking up at the sky through the trees at various LZs in the Central Highlands, wondering what the Air Force was doing. Didn't find out until the books started coming out ten years after the war was over.
A major reason this mission was successful IRL was because the F4 was equipped with the jammer pods for the first time.
That’s awesome. Robin olds is an Air Force legend.
HIs moustache ALONE is a legend
Dont forget he brought in his friend Chappie James, later to become the 1st African American 4 star in USAF history. He was a legend in his own right.
@@thekikendallsautoandrandom1271 Blackman and Robin.
Indeed!
If they run they're VC, if they stand still, they are well trained VC!
Ain't war hell.
Somebody should do a story about Cap, 'cuz he's so f'n GOOD!
Cap calling a dogfight like a football match. I love this.
My stepfather ( I was 15 in 1967 - wasn't draftable until 1970) was stationed at Takhli, tin snips in hand, repairing airframe damage to Thuds.
Well tell him thanks for his service for me.
I credit The Fat Electrician for reviving interest in Robin Olds. What a legend. Good re-enactment except for the gun pod, but hey, its entertainment, right?>
Right. I was just commenting about his video on Bolo on GRs newest video. Then of course this one popped up so I had to come watch it.
You made a small mistake. If you read bis book Olds makes it clear they did not have guns on the F-4 at this time. Even though the gun pod was around he insisted his planes not equip it because at the time his pilots had so little gun training and he was worried they we use the opportunity straff things on the ground and get themselves killed.
Aside from that, I absolutely love this. Olds is a legend in the USAF.
Agreed. They had the jammer pod and no guns.
The Phantom didn't carry an internal gun until the F-4E. That said though the -E entered service in August 1965 with over 1,300 of them built overall.
@@TheCaptainbeefylog That is incorrect sir. The F-4E first flew in 1965. The first production F-4E went into service in June of 1967 after issues with the 20mm Canon were sorted out. It wasn't until fall when tactical air command units received their first fighters. It then took another year for the F-4E to reach south east Asia. Once entering theater the F-4E accounted for 23 Migs. I believe 7 or 8 was because of the gun.
I did not give guns to the 56 x AI F-4s but I did allow my human pilots to have gun pods as some of them were struggling to get missiles to fire for some reason.
@grimreapers Thanks for the answer! That makes sense. I appreciate that you usually explain where and why you bend the rules of a scenario.
Look at all these youngins trying to get into turn fights with F-4s
The most amazing aspect of the plan was the mission to do and end around on the CIA/NSA and have all friendly aircraft grounded during the mission so they wouldn't have to do a visual id. All aircraft except those in their flights had to be enemy. And the CIA/NSA knew nothing about what was going on til afterwards. Now that was just genius.
THIS!!!
They also had the good fortune to have a USN AWACS up to the east.
Ive been waiting for this one. I served, USAF, 1981-1989. Worked on F4 Avionics test equipment. I met him at an Airshow at Seymor Johnson in 1985. Big man, and a bigger personality. I was just a little star struck. But just a really nice man. He had long since retired at that point. But you could see he was a natural leader.
Shit yeah!!! I love Robin Olds!!! What a legend of an aviator. WWII, Korea, and Vietnam. He got his first kill in a P-51 if memory serves correctly. This was a madhouse, and you all handled it admirably. Hats off to Simba, and I think it was Dark or Cannonball who went with him!! Knocking out those Radar sites with guns back to back as a cherry on top was badass!!! Damn fine flying as always Grim Reapers!!!
The sheer amount of planning to get this operation to work was astounding for the time. For the entire time Operation Bolo was active they were the only US aircraft in the sky over Vietnam. This is what allowed them to shoot without needing visual contact.
The reason was due to rules of engagement the US pilots couldn't fire until visibly validated target were identified. This mission grounded all friendly aircraft to allow our pilots to use every advantage of the F-4, and avoid breaching rukes of engagement the previously hamstrung our military. All this planning also completely circumvented US intel community purposely. Best ruse ever.
@@JohnnyFaber yea they wanted to use the AWACS of the CIA but since they were new at the time the Inteligance agenty probably wouldnt have greenlit them for the mission so they just keept it a secret and the planes were up as usual during the mission relaying mig positions
I remember seeing these at “Maple Flag” in the 90’s, we called them the “Cigars” because of the smoke.
The were still a dominant Aircraft then.
In real history, electronic warfare was more prevalent and sidewinders failed a lot. But you made it fun, as usual!
Gen Olds was a badass in the USAF and had the mustache to prove it.
This is how dcs was meant to be enjoyed
I love how you can see George staring at the pilot in the rear view mirror during takeoff just quietly judging them.
DCS really needs a Vietnam map.....and accompanying planes and missions. (with some CCR music playing in the background)
I've been waiting patiently for this to be made by someone. Thank you guys so much for delivering!
Yay all my asking paid off....been waiting
Yes, yes it did.
There is a great documentary about Robin Olds and this mission.
You know you gotta do this over right ?
They didn’t lose any aircraft in the real mission 😂😂😂
Now this one I have been waiting for
This video had the best soundtrack in my head....
Phantom guns on the SAM site got the song "Everybody Dance Now" stuck in my head, lol.
Great fun GR, I do miss seeing the the ladys flying lately. Probably life disrupting the fun times? Peace.❤
Viet manese is killing me, Cap!
I'll miss it if he ever corrects himself.
Thank you for doing this. The combat was intense. Alot of fun to watch
Great flying fellas! Really good with the formation flying in the beginning of the mission. BTW... my Thrust Master set arrived today!! Hopefully I'll be in the air by the end of the week! WOOT WOOT!! Video Valued by Valued Viewer - Fly Army 🚁
I got to fly this mission back in the day on JANES USAF. an amazing story all around.
3 minutes in and have heard vietMANese 3 times...
Glad to see that I wasn’t the only one 😆
In general, Cap seems to swap letters around pretty often-i.e. for the longest time he’s called the AIM-260 JATM “JTAM”.
Came here just for your comment. Thanks buddy. Viet m'knees perhaps?
I have dyslexia real bad, just spelling the thumbnail titles is hard enough for me let alone saying the words.
@@grimreapers It just adds more charm to the videos 😄
Good mission Cap, striking visuals. The F-4 is one of the most manly looking aircraft ever built, it screams brute force power. It is a little known fact that it was so manly it was necessary to actually add testosterone to the fuel in order for the engines to run properly.
If you haven't read Fighter Pilot: The Memoirs of Legendary Ace Robin Olds and are a fan of hero stories, I highly recommend this book. He was a badass in the truest sense of the word.
There's one thing about this that's highly accurate and that was that the J79 engine in the Phantom and every other aircraft it was used in was a smoke machine. They smoked about as bad as a Soviet factory. I remember the days when the KYANG had the RF-4C and you could see them for miles after takeoff by just looking at their smoke trail. Also there were some times over Vietnam where a Phantom or other aircraft shot down a VPAF MiG and the debris flying off the MiG went into the air intakes a blew the engines, effectively shooting down yourself.
If you guys revisit this mission once the full fidelity F-4E releases - the Mig-21's in 1967 were carrying the much less capable R-3S, not the R-13M (which is a 1974 AAM). Only 10 MiG-21's sortied that day, and they came up through the clouds in 1's and 2's over several minutes, which allowed the 28 F-4's (plus another 28 in reserve) to pick them off pretty much with impunity.
Nice job Simba and Cannonball at the end!
The best thing I heard about the F4 was, “with a big enough engine you can make a barn door fly.”
Thanks Cap, I asked for this one a couple weeks ago.
Yup thanks
Feels like Falklands 1967 instead of 82!
lol yes.
LOVE the Vietnam videos.
Loved it. Shouldn't Old's flight had come from Udon in Thailand and not out to sea. 8th TFW flew out of udon. They also had the F-105 jamming pods on the F-4's. Still fun to watch.
The NVA had spies at every airbase in the south that would watch and report to when allied planes launched and their makeup.
Well done crew, drinks are on the house. 😆
losses during operation bolo 1967- 7 MIG 21 0 Phantom II. still good show!
6:18 They were nicknamed 'Old Smokey', but I love the German name for them: Eisenschwein (iron pig).
I heard Cap don't surf.
Not since his knees got viet’d 😢
Can you imagine me surfing...
@@grimreapers🤣
Our pilots had to fly thru those sam coverage area just like your maps show. Couldnt hit the sams cause they were setup by schools or hospital's. I was a crew chief on Ds and E stationed in Thailand in
72and 73. You should have seen the launch we did the last day of the bombing of the north. Anything that could fly did.
"Design a plane for all the forces" while flying a plane used by USAF, USN, USMC, and over a dozen other forces the world over. The F-4 WAS a true Joint Strike Fighter.
can remember reading about this in a aircraft mag I used to get as a teenager. Think it was called take off
I still think the F4 is a badass plane
There was a show on the History Channel back in the day called Dogfights. It used computer animation and interviews with the actual pilots to recreate famous air battles. An episode that came out around 2006 demonstrated this battle. Robin Olds gave a great description. The episode even showed a story from Robin's past back in World War 2. Definitely give it a watch here on YT: ua-cam.com/video/g-I2mwMEd74/v-deo.htmlsi=GzmiFVMlXB-UO5nN
Good show, very informative. The animation is quite good even by today's standards. Thanks for the link.
This is tue one Fat Electrician talked about, will be fun to see it roleplayed
Oh. My. God. I appreciate you guys aren't really USAF pilots, but the operation couldn't have been much simpler. Fly the corridor/altitude/airspeed the Thuds flew, let the transponders do the heavy lifting and make bomber chatter on the radio. When the MiG-21s showed up at the appointed place and time, let them pop up through the clouds and blot them from the sky. Olds had an AWACS in the air and every other US plane in VietNam grounded. VID wasn't necessary. If it was flying it was the enemy. Lock them up on contact and fire when in range. The NV pilots were sitting ducks, which is why they lost half their expensive MiG-21 fleet. They grounded the other half for 6 months because of the success of that ambush. Brilliantly simple and devastatingly effective, with zero losses for the good guys. It would be interesting to see a do over after a deep dive on the mission's particulars. You guys do great stuff and I think you can do Operation Bolo justice. See you in the air! (And thanks for all your efforts. GR has an astounding body of work at the highest level.)
Fancy that, a Brit re-drawing Argentinan map. 😂 j/k Cappy!
" well trained VC"...don't run..."Full Metal Jacket.
That looks like an old version of the VSN f4, the new RWR in the mod feels much more fitting for the time
Also the new radar has ground clutter, which makes the radar feel slightly more fitting to the time period
I had to come back and watch it again.
I find it really hard to concentrate on watching GR videos, when I'm doing some A/A refuelling in the Stoneburner server, where I like to practice my A/A, A/G, A/S, Cap, SEAD, and carrier landings on a regular basis, with all the different aircraft and helicopers.
65 years of F-4 in 2023
Oh God oh God oh God oh God. Then gets shoot down. Why is it all ways me 1st... Oh God oh God. Lol😆
damnn.. this sim looks maad realisitic. dope.. do all of you flying have cockpits setups or at least a throttle and a stick? looks hella fun when everyone knows what theyre doing.... all these buttons and nobs are usable actually too?? Leapin' L-Langosta
Sierra Hotel 👍
My dad was poking around in a early missle frigate at this time as a radar operator and told me this story a long time ago. This, and just watching The Fat Electrician tell the story with less swearing(i know lol)
Good stuff Cap and Crew. Damm good stuff!
Lead-Nosed DieselFighter!!!
Best diesel fighter for sure!
My recollection of other accounts of this event is that the automobile-maker call signs were typically used by F-105 packages coming out of Thailand. So in addition to the jammer pods, Old's groups came in using the same radio call signs that the Thunder-thuds used, adding to the deception. I believe that I saw Robin Olds' F-4 in the USAF museum in Dayton Ohio.
May have to take a trip over there this week to find out this. I'm in Springfield, OH-
@@longshot398 leave yourself plenty of time, there is so much to see!
@@longshot398 It's a great all day adventure. Any time you can see Bock's Car, the Memphis Belle, and a B-36 under one roof it's big fun.
What kind of tool is used to record the screen like this?
Did CAP call it the Demonetised Zone in the briefing ? 😂
Is Kortana still around ?
hmm sort of.
Cap you forgot “predictions” from the boys 😮
If a plane is shot down with missiles on it, shouldn't those missiles count as a cost on the scoreboard? And what about the cost of the pilot?
it always boggles my mind just how tiny Vietnam is (Im from Australia). Then I look at the Gaza strip and Israel map and wonder how such small places can generate so much ness!
never understood why cap never set up autopilot on the flight plan if entered in the aircraft to look at the map.
Are these the new f-4 modules or a mod?
I think it's the VSN F-4B/F-4C mod.
What happened to RC?
Retired.
Would have been cooler if you guys played the good guys and intercepted American bombing fleets in overmatch scenarios. Most of the wars aces were Vietnamese and those dudes were hard as fk.
They did play the good guys. Communists are bad.
Viet ma’ knees
I keep asking why you are in a turn fight with a Mig21? F4 has them in a climb take the fight vertical.
Your going to do a vertical dogfight in low cloud cover? hmmm...
In the History Channel "Dogfights" episode about Operation Bolo, Robin Olds, who planned and flew in the Operation, said that at low altitude the F-4 could out turn the Mig-21 but at high altitude it was the reverse and the Mig-21 had the turning advantage.
Where is dark goddammit. Godd vid cap
More Wolf Pack, Please.
Red fired FIVE K-13,and got FIVE kills for a 100% PK
Hmmmmm🤔
Worryingly impressive.
Damn, South Atlantic really is that ugly of a map. I legit thought it was a modded map with those intro graphics 💀
Just a quick one Cap. A link to testing on the real LRASM and some animation of an attack on a fleet that sails under the red star. Long Range Anti-Ship Missile (LRASM) ua-cam.com/video/h449oIjg2kY/v-deo.html
Reapers, I beg help. I've looked everywhere online I can think, and I can't find an answer. My DCS always, and I mean always, locks up at World Preload 1/60. DCS used to work just fine, but after a reinstall I just can't figure out why this keeps happening. I've looked on forums, I've checked the ED website, I've checked just about everywhere I can think to no avail. Forgive me for using this comment stream off-topic, but it's making me crazy! I really miss DCS, and I've bought at least a dozen modules that I can't use anymore. If ANYONE has any suggestions, I would be forever grateful. If it helps convince you, I'm a veteran that used to work on Air Force jets such as the F-111, F-16, and F-117. Help a brother out???
I'm not really a tech guys but I have some really good guys in GR. Join the GR discord and ask the guys in public area, someone will help. This vid shows how to join Discord: ua-cam.com/video/Z_tR7H7hu5o/v-deo.html
@@grimreapers Thank you very much. Off to Discord now!
ese mapa no es de vietnan es el sur de argentina y chile.
When did they change the South China Sea to the Atlantic Ocean?😅
Cap, if you read this could you please recreate the Falklands air campaign, to include flying in from Ascension Island in the Victors? Its more a battle of logistics and planning which could make for a dry, boring video so if its not your bag I understand completely. Kindest regards from the United States
You might be OK if you refer to a multiple planes attacking a single combative as a simultaneous multiple partner coitus 🤣🤣🤣🤣
13:04 What, _no-one_ did the "Gooooooood Moooooorning etc." thing? Disgraceful 🙂
when i was 12 i had a phantom dinky thing, that i put on my dads dead body at his funeral .
i feel sexy
VietNAmese...not VietMAnese... 😂
VietNamese not VietManese., Cap.
CA-PhantomsPhorever. Did I ever tell you I met Colonel Robins Olds and bought him a beer? No, not really...