i don't think I care for the interviewer much! I suppose he is stating his truth or his observations, however, archaic, but man - is she holding her own with pointing out her different opinions with grace and warmth - coupled with a reserved strength. She is not buckling to his old fashioned if not chauvinistic thoughts, but countering with a calm and a respect that opens the door for the listener to both views. Smart - beautiful - graceful - intelligent lady.
Wasn't she wonderful? Intelligent, warm, talented, beautiful. Really adorable special person with so much class. I will always remember her fondly with tremendous nostalgia. Bless her soul.
I am 65 years old and, of course, have my wonderful memories of the dick van dyke show. And then I watch her here, tonight, and realize how she was really one of the forerunners of true women's rights. Wasn't she?
Tessie let me correct you of your last sentence : ...........””depends on a loving family structure. Family includes your mm or dad, adoptive mon and. Or dad . Includes gay marriages who adopt its may be your moms best friend - that’s a familyx
SuperKrock5 her work got her home by 5 while Richie was in school . She didn’t put work ahead. You don’t blame men for being deficient in giving to the family as a parent. It’s ok for men to put work first and never clean a toilet . That’s a woman’s job , wrong.
@Tessie I think you're giving her too much "credit" for the societal shift that has created changes to the family unit. I think she's just echoing what was beginning to happen at the time (women's rights movement). (I also believe she recanted those thoughts in a later interview, or maybe in her autobiography.) Life in the past few decades seems to have gotten a whole lot more expensive than during the Leave it to Beaver years. Either that or people have gotten a lot more greedy. Currently, it seems families feel cheated unless they live in a larger home than they can afford, with multiple bathrooms, all the toys they want, a cell phone---with costly plans---in every hand, laptops for each family member, big-screen TVs with expensive subscriptions, dinners out multiple times a week, multiple, newer cars (and forget it if you tell a kid they'll have to walk somewhere instead of purchasing him or her a car of their own). I could go on. We've become a society of more, more, more. I think that's why 2-job households have become a "necessity", and why the parent who traditionally cared for home and kids has had to work full-time. I don't think it will change, though, as long as people have such high expectations of what they think they deserve.
Yes, and 50 years we who aree so CERTAIN of our cultural IDEAS of NOW will sound as crazy 50 years from now [since we cannot see our craziness now that we think as normal]
You are welcome! We really enjoy this interview as well, and indeed, at a critical pivot point in her career. MTM will always be one of our favorites here at Television Vanguard, and no doubt she'll continue to be one of most featured stars here. Enjoy! - Television Vanguard staff
Do you happen to have other portions of this show? I remember seeing it on UA-cam a couple years ago, then it disappeared. There was a well known psychic who also appeared in this episode (along with Mary) making predictions about the future. I remember one of the predictions was that Lyndon Johnson would not run for reelection (which may have been obvious by 1966 with the escalation of the unpopular Vietnam War). Another prediction was that Robert Kennedy would be elected president in 1972. Of course, Nixon won reelection in 1972, and Robert Kennedy was assassinated four years before, in 1968.
She's got a great outlook for life. I didn't realize she was that outspoken then. Susskind was really showing his 1960's Man attitude but she wouldn't let it temper her opinion. She really did blaze a trail!
@@ConcernedONETOO I always wonder if the older generation think America is a better place in 2020 than it was in 1960. Doesn't make much sense to ask the later generations who never lived thru that period since they have no experience with that time (Mcarthy, JFK, etc.) Bits and pieces of those periods via interviews, tv shows, and newspapers don't really tell the whole story, do they?
Mary Tyler Moore was so BEAUTIFUL, as a kid I use to watch The Dick Van Dyke Show just to see her, don't get me wrong, the show was great n I loved all the other characters but I was really fascinated but Laura "RIP MARY TYLER MOORE"
i know susskind may come off sounding like a male chauvinist - but i was raised in the 60s with a stay at home mom, who really was a mom where it seemed as a child her world revolved around me. i know there will always be exceptions - i did not come from a rich family, but having that kind of a mom, and a dad who always came home after work, made a very big positive difference to how most kids are raised today.
What an excellent clip and many, many thanks for posting. Also very cute to hear traces of her Brooklyn accent come out in certain words..."fawl", "lawng". This interview might be the very one that inspired Mary & Grant Tinker to develop that certain show about a single career woman. Suskind might sound like a chauvinist goon, but that's how it still was in the mid to late 60s that this world was shaken out of its ignorance of sexism, racism, and all other -isms there are. Even more amazing is how these attitudes still exist in 2017. Somebody also posted how more mature Mary looks here after just finishing her run as Laura Petrie. But 1966 is also the same year when productions were ordered to go from black & white to "living color". The Van Dyke show ended in early '66 or else it also would've been in color for the following season. That would've been fun to see how different that show would look in color.
I remember reading that Mary Tyler Moore smoked. I was so disappointed, I moped around for a week. I thought she was perfect. Fact is, I was just a kid and very naive. She was the perfect person in my mind.
MTM emerges as a smart and witty career woman here. I imagine if you went from Laura Petrie to this interview, you might have been startled. But my respect for her increased as a result of this interview. She wonders why no one ever criticizes books and magazines, just TV. I am not a fan of this interviewer or his style. 55 years later, she emerges triumphant and he seems a man from the past.
Books are reviewed and magazines are criticized, not sure where you or she got that idea. The interviewer was respectful, he let her talk without interruption. What specifically is your problem with him, other than him being a man interviewing a woman?
People don't talk about Mary Tyler Moore enough. First she had the Dick Van Dyle show. She and Dick Van Dyke, after almost 60 years of TV, are still my favorite TV couple. Then she moved on just a few years later and played the incredibly influential character Mary Richards on the Mary Tyler Moore Show, which had a brilliant 7 year run. The MTM show received 67 emmy nominations during that time and won 29. Mary Tyler Moore won 6 best actress awards total for her work on both shows and was nominated several more times. She's beautiful, elegant and classy in this interview. Suskind is a blowhard and talks far too much IMO.
@@praisehart7737 Yes Mary Tyler Moore won 7 Emmys overall. She won 6 Emmys for best actress related to the MTM (4) and DVD shows (2), which is what I was specifically referencing (my use of the word "total" was a poor choice). Her 7th was a Best Supporting Actress for a 1993 miniseries called "Stolen Babies".
I was probably 5 or 6 y/o when MTM started the show and I always admired her because her beauty and simplicity. Now that I'm 65 it seems like a dream they really existed. Probably I'll see her when my Lord Jesus Christ comes back.
Mary is such an intelligent classy woman. She fends off every wrrow this interviewer slings at her trying to get “” miss sweetheart to say something negative. He’s so sexist .
If he had soft balled the interview we would not know how smart she was. She held her own. He liked his guests to be smart. I didn't sense her being angry at him.
Jessica Biel should play Mary Tyler Moore in a biopic or a comedy based on the Mary Tyler Moore Show - like The Brady Bunch films. Jessica would be great!
I know it was a different time then, but David Susskind still seems like an incredible ass. After watching parts of this interview in the new HBO Mary Tyler Moore documentary, I looked him up. This interview was conducted in 1966, the same year that Susskind got divorced and then married to another woman. This may explain some of his obvious hostility toward women.
Thank you for the info and insights into Susskind. We didn't know there was a new HBO documentary on MTM... we'll definitely want to check out the program. - Thank you for watching. - staff
I've been watching a few videos with MTM. One thing I've noticed is that the comments that are posted below are as nice as MTM herself. I see it as a reflection of MTM.
Alot of American men were like this into the mid 70s untill most women went to wort . Men who wife's worked were pittyed and looked at as losers by average folks untill women entered the workforce
Was he really a sexist pig??? Maybe he asks those questions to get a good response from her. May not be his personal opinion. What's he gonna do, gush all over her like they do today???? How boring!! He was well known for his ground breaking interviews.
@@definitedoll That's exactly what I thought. Susskind was far too intelligent and intellectually sophisticated to actually believe those caveman questions he was spouting. He was patently playing devil's advocate in order to achieve a synthesis of thought, and I think Mary realised this. She parried his thrusts with grace, wit and charm, and the result was a polite and interesting adult conversation. Would that we had more interviewers as skillful and thoughtful as David Sussind, but I am afraid that, in today's media atmosphere of leering, grinning imbecility and politically correct hysteria, he wouldn't be allowed even a soapbox on a street corner.
She really was progressive and challenged Susskind's idea (which was the 1966 zeitgeist) that a woman could not have both a family and a career, if she chose, not to mention work outside the home at all. The mid-60's really was the beginning of the end of the old world attitude towards gender and race. Oh yeah, we still got quite a ways to go, but it's amazing how dramatically different the world was only 50 years ago. Fascinating clip. I also loved MTM.
Oh the impure thoughts I had as a kid watching Laura Petrie with her lovely dancers body in those form fitting sweaters and tight pants. She was a treat to watch and was PERFECT in that role.
I can't put my finger on why her appearance seemed to make such a subtle but unmistakable change as soon as 1970 and her TV show started. Throughout the Dick Van Dyke show and in every appearance in the late '60s, her complexion and eyes look exactly the same. But as soon as you turn on the first episode of the MTM show, she looks like a different person. The pixie-ish look is gone and she starts to look overly made up. I guess maybe they were consciously trying to make her look different from the "old" Mary to separate her from Laura Petrie, but I'm not sure exactly what they did. The '60s Mary looks like perfection. I guess very few survived the fashion sense of the '70s but she suffered the full brunt of it. The makeup crew on the MTM show should've been given a special Razzie award for marring her magnificent beauty right from the beginning with horrible makeup application.
You may have noticed that she became a little less cute and attractive than before. It happens to most everyone when they age out of their youthful beauty, into a more mature beauty. And it was probably also a conscious decision to make her look different.
I read that CBS wanted her to look completely different from Laura Petrie in the first season of the Mary Tyler Moore show, they had her wear a fall and miniskirts. CBS was afraid viewers would think Laura Petrie left Rob.
hipsterdoofus1026 Yes you're right about that. In the first few episodes Mary is wearing a long fall (wiglet) to make her own hair look longer.. Then after about 4 or 5 episodes she took that fall off and showed her own hair ...which was also long but not quite as long as the fall. In the third season she cut her own long hair to a shorter cut like she had on the Van Dyke show. By then the Mary Richard's character was pretty set and she didn't have to wear long hair to look different from Laura. It's kind of all stupid because hair doesn't change the face but that's how they thought back then.
She was 10 years older in MTM show, around age 35 I believe (she was born in 1936) so she started to look more mature. She was also battling newly diagnosed Type 1 diabetes, so I think she looked gaunt in the face, which makes people look older.
And it should be questioned again. Remember how she says she manages to do it. Most women are not doing it this way and failing their children horribly.
Thanks for posting this. This must have been taped during a week off of DVD SHOW, which still had a few episodes left to film, as its last episode ("The Gunslinger") was filmed March 22, 1966.
Motherhood is the best thing to happen to a woman and my mother would give this lady a piece of her mind. MTM bashes housewives yet she only had one child and two failed marriages and she left a legacy of hokey dated tv sit coms.
Never paid much attention to Susskind years ago when he was a well known interviewer. What a trouble maker! I was getting more and more annoyed listening to his snarky comments and felt like Mary was equally not having it, and trying to be polite about it.
I think Dick Cavett is a much better interviewer. Mary handled Susskind pretty well. I always feel a great deal of gratitude for Mary Tyler Moore for giving all of us a great deal of comedy and for doing so much for diabetes research and fundraising, She was a truly special person.
@@docadams7099 Yes! I’ve been streaming quite a few vintage Cavett interviews lately. He’s remarkable in his ability to lend himself to the personality at hand - whether it be Janis Joplin, Marlon Brando, or someone like Gloria Swanson. The dynamic between Swanson and Joplin was quite charming! Cavett was superb at garnering people’s trust.
@@docadams7099 And, I as well, have great respect for MTM as the impetus, even in retrospect, causing a sea change in single women’s roles in the work place as well as living in the world as single women. And the creation of a VERY funny ensemble cast mechanism was also at the forefront of modern television. KUDOS, Mary Tyler Moore!
Thanks for posting. MTM always for gracious despite the interviewer being so rude and opinionated. I’m really surprised. No wonder I have never seen him before. He was in the wrong business.
Thank you for watching and for your comment. We had a long day today, and it was fun to read your comment and laugh...indeed, the servant problem is often never really fixed. ;) - staff
I just watched the MTM profile on HBO, where they provided a short clip of this Susskind interview. This longer clip is even more eyebrow-raising, due to Susskind's assumptions and inappropriate questions. Open sexism was baked into the culture back then. Poor Mary (although she handled Susskind's questions with great poise and intelligence).
Thank you Laura for your comments and for watching this channel. We appreciate your thoughts and insights and for the update on what the new HBO MTM documentary is providing. We have heard very good things about the documentary and we appreciate you stopping by to share your thoughts. MTM was a class act, and we liked so much about this timing of the Susskind interview was that it came about in 1966... just after the end of the Van Dyke Show and just before Breakfast at Tiffanies with Richard Chamberlain. She was ending a real high point in her life and career, and about to enter a low point in her career. It is fascinating to us to see her frame of mind at that time, and know (with the advantage of time and hindsight), how hard she (and Grant) had to work to battle back to the top of the television industry in 1970. Much more to come on MTM and the MTM show around the December holiday season. Take care and thanks again - Television Vanguard staff
Wow, this is amazing. The supposedly witty urbane sophisticated David Susskind actually ASKS "Don't you think working MOTHERS shortchange their children because they're not THERE so much of the time..." And working FATHERS? Oh no, of COURSE fathers not being there because they are working could NEVER be viewed as "shortchanging" anybody. How strange, how perverse the attitudes of that time were! And it rolls of his lips so EASILY.
Susskind was far too intelligent to actually hold those opinions himself. He was patently playing devil's advocate in order to allow Mary to gracefully clarify her opposing position, and she rose to the challenge beautifully. It is a time-honored interviewing technique which can often result in a fascinating synthesis of ideas. Unfortunately, in today's climate of hysteria, with the thought police on the lookout for every tiniest deviation from the party line, such subtlety is impossible. It took a while, but 1984 has finally arrived.
Near the end, Susskind takes a potshot at "Valley of the Dolls." It was a badge of honor and culture to knock anything Jackie Susann wrote. But boy, was VOTD entertaining. The book, I mean, not the awful film, although the latter was unintentionally humorous.
Wasn't this his only surviving clip from his 1963-66 stint with WPIX Channel 11 in New York, before he moved back to WNEW-TV for the 1966-67 season (and remained there until the end of his show a few months before his death)?
Going back to the time Danny Thomas did not cast MTM as his TV daughter I would like to seen with they were young all lined up for comparison Marlo Thomas , Sherry Jackson , Penney Parker , and MTM. All these ladies were his real life daughter or his TV daughters or were under consideration as his TV daughter .
03:35 Jesus man, did you say when the woman is yakking like crazy, you know she is single. It must have been a wild time in the 70's. Also strange times. Probably that's why she is still famous, and you are not. I'm watching the video just for MTM, and I don't know who the hell you are. And I do not care. (I'm a man BTW)
This is what changed my opinion of "Mary" when she stated that she agrees with Betty Friedan - the Feminist @4:20 "Women should be human beings first, women second, wives and mothers third". "It should fall in that order" "It will not hurt the family...it will not hurt the work, it can function very nicely together". Hmm, your children are third and no room for God, which perfectly massages her chosen lifestyle of putting her career before ANYTHING else. And guess who suffered? Her child and her husband.
@@barbarawebb7185 GOD is the reason why you exist Miss Barbara.....everything BEGINS & FLOURISHES with GOD!!!!! May GOD forever bless and keep you always Miss Barbara!!!
this was 60 years ago. times were different back then. it wasnt rude like today's woke culture is. today they would cancel him like andrew tate. he's also been dead for 35 years. so it's time to get over it.
Men and Women have found out it wasn't the bad ol' days the hard way. Today women don't have a choice but to work, don't get to stay home anymore and be a mom. Everybody loses. You don't know what you got until it's gone, men and women lose. They've done studies and women today have never been more miserable. MTM did reject the Gloria Stienum feminism. MTM believed women need to be part of raising their kids, single motherhood is a proven loser. Libs like to see things that aren't there,the her later MTM show wasn't about anti family anything , or glorifying single women. It was just about a girl in the city getting by, and her many adventures. Nice clip of her, you can see she is more than just a beautiful woman. She has high intelligence it comes out.
I was a small kid when this interview took place. You're right, there are many aspects of life that were far better than they are today. I grew up in a middle class family and my father was the only one that worked. He paid off the house mortgage in three years. Minimum wage was just over $2 and today's equivalent would be somewhere around $20. There were very few people on government assistance because almost everybody made enough to live and SAVE for their futures. I could go on and on. We will never see those days again.
It's what the internationalist socialists wanted, destroy this. Many wanted to destroy it, many Americans. Today's kids don't remember these days, and are told by many how they were oppressive to women.Fact is most men would love to be Rob Petrie, and most women would love to be Laura Petrie.
Well, you got a lot of it right - MTM thought women were crucial in their family lives, and she was her own woman, intelligent, and did not espouse Steinem's views. But certainly the show was _not_ about a _married_ woman. It examined women's lives with and without men in greater depth than anything previous, facing it clearly, with give and take, and leaves it to the audience to decide whether that glorifies a single woman's life, or brings it down to earth.
@@benkuxhouse787 very well said and so true....and while most men and women long for this more "traditional" lifestyle...they will purposely keep it hidden ( or only whisper about it) for fear of retribution....
Fast forward and Mary regretted not being there more for her son who shot himself dead at the young age of 24. Quality time does not always cover for quantity time. Betty Friedan led many women down a horrible path to desert their children for money.
Yeah, see, that's the kind of mansplaining we had to grow up with and navigate around. We couldn't have our own bankcards until 1971. That's why old broads are so quick to assert our rights. Never go back.
People forget that children still need their parents to fulfill their roles. And that married couples still have a role. You jeed to make it clear. Im paying for this. You're paying for that. You're picking up the kids. It's not about this is a woman's role, this is a man's role. There's a role to be filled. There's duties one needs to do. The bills, the chores, it cant just be "equal." It's EQUAL at my job about the phone ringing to EVERYONE. And whoever picks us, picks up. So guess who ends up picking up after a few phone calls. NO ONE. because theyre all entitled pricks who think someone else.should answer..
My husband and I talk all the time. I love being a wife . Look at America now broken homes children don’t respect their parents. The beginning of families in debt working harder. God’s way is better
Gee, one sane comment in all the ignorant replies, thank you! I completely changed my opinion of the "TV Mary" after listening to this interview. Mary espoused the feminist Friedan thinking her CAREER comes before her child and husband. And that being a housewife was too mundane. Of course, no room for God either. And what happened? Both suffered. Yet not a soul commenting on here see's this.
She handles his sexist questions with grace and charm. She is clever and doesn’t let his questions lead her in to negativity. So intelligent
They weren't "sexist " and her answers were typical Hollywood elite .
Pure class.
YOU MUST BE A LEFT-WING SNOWFLAKE. 😅😅😅😅😅
Agreed. Looking back. Sexist indeed.
The guy just never shuts up, leading her on & on to make admit her role as a wife is a pseudo female role.
@@mpshields what is wrong with being a wife and mother?
i don't think I care for the interviewer much! I suppose he is stating his truth or his observations, however, archaic, but man - is she holding her own with pointing out her different opinions with grace and warmth - coupled with a reserved strength. She is not buckling to his old fashioned if not chauvinistic thoughts, but countering with a calm and a respect that opens the door for the listener to both views. Smart - beautiful - graceful - intelligent lady.
His questions and statements weren’t archaic at the time though. This was 1966.
True. He is a a mirror of this time., .
The interviewer for those who do not know was David Susskind producer and TV host .
Wasn't she wonderful? Intelligent, warm, talented, beautiful. Really adorable special person with so much class. I will always remember her fondly with tremendous nostalgia. Bless her soul.
I am 65 years old and, of course, have my wonderful memories of the dick van dyke show. And then I watch her here, tonight, and realize how she was really one of the forerunners of true women's rights. Wasn't she?
I loved her! But she smoked a lot and put work before her son and had a strained relationship. So sad. She’s so talented!
Tessie let me correct you of your last sentence : ...........””depends on a loving family structure. Family includes your mm or dad, adoptive mon and. Or dad . Includes gay marriages who adopt its may be your moms best friend - that’s a familyx
SuperKrock5 her work got her home by 5 while Richie was in school . She didn’t put work ahead. You don’t blame men for being deficient in giving to the family as a parent. It’s ok for men to put work first and never clean a toilet . That’s a woman’s job , wrong.
@Tessie I think you're giving her too much "credit" for the societal shift that has created changes to the family unit. I think she's just echoing what was beginning to happen at the time (women's rights movement). (I also believe she recanted those thoughts in a later interview, or maybe in her autobiography.) Life in the past few decades seems to have gotten a whole lot more expensive than during the Leave it to Beaver years. Either that or people have gotten a lot more greedy. Currently, it seems families feel cheated unless they live in a larger home than they can afford, with multiple bathrooms, all the toys they want, a cell phone---with costly plans---in every hand, laptops for each family member, big-screen TVs with expensive subscriptions, dinners out multiple times a week, multiple, newer cars (and forget it if you tell a kid they'll have to walk somewhere instead of purchasing him or her a car of their own). I could go on. We've become a society of more, more, more. I think that's why 2-job households have become a "necessity", and why the parent who traditionally cared for home and kids has had to work full-time. I don't think it will change, though, as long as people have such high expectations of what they think they deserve.
Mary was adorable and she had the most beautiful smile :-)
I just love Mary. What a delight - so gracious and a true beauty, inside and out.
I loved her and still do. She is such a beautiful soul.
Wow... the conversation is a relic of history! She was so young and very wise and articulate.
She was thirty years old, on her second marriage, and had been a TV star for five years. "Young" is not the first word that comes to mind.
This is a really interesting interview that shows the mindset of the time and real personalities. Thanks for this!
Yes, and 50 years we who aree so CERTAIN of our cultural IDEAS of NOW will sound as crazy 50 years from now [since we cannot see our craziness now that we think as normal]
Yeah the extreme sexism of this pos
@@malcolmcash6854 feminism is crazy
@@MeadeSkeltonMusic - feminism is nothing less than the proposition that women are people. Why does that upset you so much?
Thank you for this. A valuable piece of non-scripted Mary at a turning point in her monumental career.
You are welcome! We really enjoy this interview as well, and indeed, at a critical pivot point in her career. MTM will always be one of our favorites here at Television Vanguard, and no doubt she'll continue to be one of most featured stars here. Enjoy! - Television Vanguard staff
Do you happen to have other portions of this show? I remember seeing it on UA-cam a couple years ago, then it disappeared. There was a well known psychic who also appeared in this episode (along with Mary) making predictions about the future. I remember one of the predictions was that Lyndon Johnson would not run for reelection (which may have been obvious by 1966 with the escalation of the unpopular Vietnam War). Another prediction was that Robert Kennedy would be elected president in 1972. Of course, Nixon won reelection in 1972, and Robert Kennedy was assassinated four years before, in 1968.
She is very insightful. Thank - I had never seen this interview before. Gives real perspective into the male chauvinism of the time.
Such a graceful lady! You go Mary! A woman before her time! The interviewer on the other hand, what a relic!!! UGHHH!
Ok dear
So sincere and blessed. Pure talent and charisma.
In high school The Mary Tyler Moore Show touched everyone!
In high school, "Birth of a Nation" touched everyone! ...Okay, so I'm old.
She's got a great outlook for life. I didn't realize she was that outspoken then. Susskind was really showing his 1960's Man attitude but she wouldn't let it temper her opinion. She really did blaze a trail!
1960's mans attitude? He was correct! Who suffered by her feminist mindset of putting her career first? Her child and husband. It's selfish.
@@ConcernedONETOO I always wonder if the older generation think America is a better place in 2020 than it was in 1960. Doesn't make much sense to ask the later generations who never lived thru that period since they have no experience with that time (Mcarthy, JFK, etc.) Bits and pieces of those periods via interviews, tv shows, and newspapers don't really tell the whole story, do they?
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@@ConcernedONETOO she moved to NYC because of her husband’s job. Children and wives suffer just as much if the husband puts his work first.
She was amazing! What a lovely soul!
So naturally beautiful n had the ideal figure to showcase fabulous clothes, not to mention talented.
Mary Tyler Moore was so BEAUTIFUL, as a kid I use to watch The Dick Van Dyke Show just to see her, don't get me wrong, the show was great n I loved all the other characters but I was really fascinated but Laura "RIP MARY TYLER MOORE"
Such a national treasure
what a beautiful woman she was!!!!
What a wonderfully intelligent interviewee. She came across beautifully.
Between enormous successes! Very interesting interview.
Thank you for putting this up
Mary Tyler Moore was such a talented and beautiful woman.
I'll always love you Mary!
RIP.
What a classy woman rip Ms moore
i know susskind may come off sounding like a male chauvinist - but i was raised in the 60s with a stay at home mom, who really was a mom where it seemed as a child her world revolved around me. i know there will always be exceptions - i did not come from a rich family, but having that kind of a mom, and a dad who always came home after work, made a very big positive difference to how most kids are raised today.
That hairstyle looked great on her.
THANK YOU MARY
What an excellent clip and many, many thanks for posting. Also very cute to hear traces of her Brooklyn accent come out in certain words..."fawl", "lawng".
This interview might be the very one that inspired Mary & Grant Tinker to develop that certain show about a single career woman. Suskind might sound like a chauvinist goon, but that's how it still was in the mid to late 60s that this world was shaken out of its ignorance of sexism, racism, and all other -isms there are. Even more amazing is how these attitudes still exist in 2017.
Somebody also posted how more mature Mary looks here after just finishing her run as Laura Petrie. But 1966 is also the same year when productions were ordered to go from
black & white to "living color". The Van Dyke show ended in early '66 or else it also would've been in color for the following season. That would've been fun to see how different that show would look in color.
we have come a LOOOOOOONG way
I remember reading that Mary Tyler Moore smoked. I was so disappointed, I moped around for a week. I thought she was perfect. Fact is, I was just a kid and very naive. She was the perfect person in my mind.
MTM emerges as a smart and witty career woman here. I imagine if you went from Laura Petrie to this interview, you might have been startled. But my respect for her increased as a result of this interview. She wonders why no one ever criticizes books and magazines, just TV. I am not a fan of this interviewer or his style. 55 years later, she emerges triumphant and he seems a man from the past.
My respect was lost.
He seems like he knows the truth
Books are reviewed and magazines are criticized, not sure where you or she got that idea. The interviewer was respectful, he let her talk without interruption. What specifically is your problem with him, other than him being a man interviewing a woman?
People don't talk about Mary Tyler Moore enough. First she had the Dick Van Dyle show. She and Dick Van Dyke, after almost 60 years of TV, are still my favorite TV couple. Then she moved on just a few years later and played the incredibly influential character Mary Richards on the Mary Tyler Moore Show, which had a brilliant 7 year run. The MTM show received 67 emmy nominations during that time and won 29. Mary Tyler Moore won 6 best actress awards total for her work on both shows and was nominated several more times. She's beautiful, elegant and classy in this interview. Suskind is a blowhard and talks far too much IMO.
You mean 7
Shes overrated
@@praisehart7737 Yes Mary Tyler Moore won 7 Emmys overall. She won 6 Emmys for best actress related to the MTM (4) and DVD shows (2), which is what I was specifically referencing (my use of the word "total" was a poor choice). Her 7th was a Best Supporting Actress for a 1993 miniseries called "Stolen Babies".
I was probably 5 or 6 y/o when MTM started the show and I always admired her because her beauty and simplicity. Now that I'm 65 it seems like a dream they really existed. Probably I'll see her when my Lord Jesus Christ comes back.
Mary is such an intelligent classy woman. She fends off every wrrow this interviewer slings at her trying to get “” miss sweetheart to say something negative. He’s so sexist .
David Suskind? Throwing arrows? 🙄
If he had soft balled the interview we would not know how smart she was. She held her own. He liked his guests to be smart. I didn't sense her being angry at him.
BEAUTIFUL WOMAN
Jessica Biel should play Mary Tyler Moore in a biopic or a comedy based on the Mary Tyler Moore Show - like The Brady Bunch films. Jessica would be great!
I can definitely see that!
My Favorite!!
I know it was a different time then, but David Susskind still seems like an incredible ass. After watching parts of this interview in the new HBO Mary Tyler Moore documentary, I looked him up. This interview was conducted in 1966, the same year that Susskind got divorced and then married to another woman. This may explain some of his obvious hostility toward women.
Thank you for the info and insights into Susskind. We didn't know there was a new HBO documentary on MTM... we'll definitely want to check out the program. - Thank you for watching. - staff
I've been watching a few videos with MTM. One thing I've noticed is that the comments that are posted below are as nice as MTM herself. I see it as a reflection of MTM.
Boy, is David Susskind behind the times - THOSE times. Bizarre.
Yeah, what a sexist pig.
Oh give a rest. Feminazis are just as bad.
Alot of American men were like this into the mid 70s untill most women went to wort . Men who wife's worked were pittyed and looked at as losers by average folks untill women entered the workforce
Was he really a sexist pig??? Maybe he asks those questions to get a good response from her. May not be his personal opinion. What's he gonna do, gush all over her like they do today???? How boring!! He was well known for his ground breaking interviews.
@@definitedoll That's exactly what I thought. Susskind was far too intelligent and intellectually sophisticated to actually believe those caveman questions he was spouting. He was patently playing devil's advocate in order to achieve a synthesis of thought, and I think Mary realised this. She parried his thrusts with grace, wit and charm, and the result was a polite and interesting adult conversation. Would that we had more interviewers as skillful and thoughtful as David Sussind, but I am afraid that, in today's media atmosphere of leering, grinning imbecility and politically correct hysteria, he wouldn't be allowed even a soapbox on a street corner.
She really was progressive and challenged Susskind's idea (which was the 1966 zeitgeist) that a woman could not have both a family and a career, if she chose, not to mention work outside the home at all. The mid-60's really was the beginning of the end of the old world attitude towards gender and race. Oh yeah, we still got quite a ways to go, but it's amazing how dramatically different the world was only 50 years ago. Fascinating clip. I also loved MTM.
Oh the impure thoughts I had as a kid watching Laura Petrie with her lovely dancers body in those form fitting sweaters and tight pants. She was a treat to watch and was PERFECT in that role.
Mary said she worked hard to lose her Brooklyn accent, but at times you can still hear it.
I thought she grew up in California?
Her accent sounds very Illinois to me.
I can't put my finger on why her appearance seemed to make such a subtle but unmistakable change as soon as 1970 and her TV show started. Throughout the Dick Van Dyke show and in every appearance in the late '60s, her complexion and eyes look exactly the same. But as soon as you turn on the first episode of the MTM show, she looks like a different person. The pixie-ish look is gone and she starts to look overly made up. I guess maybe they were consciously trying to make her look different from the "old" Mary to separate her from Laura Petrie, but I'm not sure exactly what they did. The '60s Mary looks like perfection. I guess very few survived the fashion sense of the '70s but she suffered the full brunt of it. The makeup crew on the MTM show should've been given a special Razzie award for marring her magnificent beauty right from the beginning with horrible makeup application.
I thought she looked pretty on MTM show. Maybe the long hair she later had made her look different too
You may have noticed that she became a little less cute and attractive than before. It happens to most everyone when they age out of their youthful beauty, into a more mature beauty. And it was probably also a conscious decision to make her look different.
I read that CBS wanted her to look completely different from Laura Petrie in the first season of the Mary Tyler Moore show, they had her wear a fall and miniskirts. CBS was afraid viewers would think Laura Petrie left Rob.
hipsterdoofus1026 Yes you're right about that. In the first few episodes Mary is wearing a long fall (wiglet) to make her own hair look longer.. Then after about 4 or 5 episodes she took that fall off and showed her own hair ...which was also long but not quite as long as the fall. In the third season she cut her own long hair to a shorter cut like she had on the Van Dyke show. By then the Mary Richard's character was pretty set and she didn't have to wear long hair to look different from Laura. It's kind of all stupid because hair doesn't change the face but that's how they thought back then.
She was 10 years older in MTM show, around age 35 I believe (she was born in 1936) so she started to look more mature. She was also battling newly diagnosed Type 1 diabetes, so I think she looked gaunt in the face, which makes people look older.
Love Mary!! But, we can't forget other TV women before her who trailblazed for her too.
I wish she was still with us
Carrie Fisher as Princess Leia " I learned how to cook, I became a licensed massage therapist, what I forgot to do was agree"
In 1966 the idea of the working women was still questioned ,although it was changing .
And it should be questioned again. Remember how she says she manages to do it. Most women are not doing it this way and failing their children horribly.
My first crush💔
Thanks for posting this. This must have been taped during a week off of DVD SHOW, which still had a few episodes left to film, as its last episode ("The Gunslinger") was filmed March 22, 1966.
here after watching the hbo documentary!
Women should be MOTHERS first! Motherhood is a gift and look at MTM herself. She lost her only son to drugs and ended up miserable.
Motherhood is the best thing to happen to a woman and my mother would give this lady a piece of her mind. MTM bashes housewives yet she only had one child and two failed marriages and she left a legacy of hokey dated tv sit coms.
Never paid much attention to Susskind years ago when he was a well known interviewer. What a trouble maker! I was getting more and more annoyed listening to his snarky comments and felt like Mary was equally not having it, and trying to be polite about it.
I think Dick Cavett is a much better interviewer. Mary handled Susskind pretty well. I always feel a great deal of gratitude for Mary Tyler Moore for giving all of us a great deal of comedy and for doing so much for diabetes research and fundraising, She was a truly special person.
@@docadams7099 Yes! I’ve been streaming quite a few vintage Cavett interviews lately. He’s remarkable in his ability to lend himself to the personality at hand - whether it be Janis Joplin, Marlon Brando, or someone like Gloria Swanson. The dynamic between Swanson and Joplin was quite charming! Cavett was superb at garnering people’s trust.
@@docadams7099 And, I as well, have great respect for MTM as the impetus, even in retrospect, causing a sea change in single women’s roles in the work place as well as living in the world as single women. And the creation of a VERY funny ensemble cast mechanism was also at the forefront of modern television. KUDOS, Mary Tyler Moore!
Thanks for posting.
MTM always for gracious despite the interviewer being so rude and opinionated. I’m really surprised. No wonder I have never seen him before. He was in the wrong business.
Susskind...peice of work.
Have they fixed the servant problem in New York yet?
Thank you for watching and for your comment. We had a long day today, and it was fun to read your comment and laugh...indeed, the servant problem is often never really fixed. ;) - staff
I just watched the MTM profile on HBO, where they provided a short clip of this Susskind interview. This longer clip is even more eyebrow-raising, due to Susskind's assumptions and inappropriate questions. Open sexism was baked into the culture back then. Poor Mary (although she handled Susskind's questions with great poise and intelligence).
Thank you Laura for your comments and for watching this channel. We appreciate your thoughts and insights and for the update on what the new HBO MTM documentary is providing. We have heard very good things about the documentary and we appreciate you stopping by to share your thoughts. MTM was a class act, and we liked so much about this timing of the Susskind interview was that it came about in 1966... just after the end of the Van Dyke Show and just before Breakfast at Tiffanies with Richard Chamberlain. She was ending a real high point in her life and career, and about to enter a low point in her career. It is fascinating to us to see her frame of mind at that time, and know (with the advantage of time and hindsight), how hard she (and Grant) had to work to battle back to the top of the television industry in 1970.
Much more to come on MTM and the MTM show around the December holiday season. Take care and thanks again
- Television Vanguard staff
Wow, this is amazing. The supposedly witty urbane sophisticated David Susskind actually ASKS "Don't you think working MOTHERS shortchange their children because they're not THERE so much of the time..." And working FATHERS? Oh no, of COURSE fathers not being there because they are working could NEVER be viewed as "shortchanging" anybody. How strange, how perverse the attitudes of that time were! And it rolls of his lips so EASILY.
Susskind was far too intelligent to actually hold those opinions himself. He was patently playing devil's advocate in order to allow Mary to gracefully clarify her opposing position, and she rose to the challenge beautifully. It is a time-honored interviewing technique which can often result in a fascinating synthesis of ideas. Unfortunately, in today's climate of hysteria, with the thought police on the lookout for every tiniest deviation from the party line, such subtlety is impossible. It took a while, but 1984 has finally arrived.
Yes, because mothers and fathers are exactly the same and always have been.
Wow, I’m shocked at his questions and comments but I do realize how different things were back then.
I'm shocked at her answers
This guy would be fired on the spot today. LOL!
So much has changed in 50 years.
Near the end, Susskind takes a potshot at "Valley of the Dolls." It was a badge of honor and culture to knock anything Jackie Susann wrote. But boy, was VOTD entertaining. The book, I mean, not the awful film, although the latter was unintentionally humorous.
That guy is crazy
Suskind's sexism could not have been more apparent
@ 3:42 But tell us what you think, David.
Wasn't this his only surviving clip from his 1963-66 stint with WPIX Channel 11 in New York, before he moved back to WNEW-TV for the 1966-67 season (and remained there until the end of his show a few months before his death)?
"The servent problem", lol, that didn't age well. I love Mary Tyler Moore.
Its interesting later on life, Mary became more conservative.
Being married to a TV exec can do that to you
I love her measured responses to his incredibly sexist questions.
how was it sexist?
What is the year of this?
Going back to the time Danny Thomas did not cast MTM as his TV daughter I would like to seen with they were young all lined up for comparison Marlo Thomas , Sherry Jackson , Penney Parker , and MTM. All these ladies were his real life daughter or his TV daughters or were under consideration as his TV daughter .
People don't realize this was 60 years ago. Times were different them. Not today's woke culture of safe spaces and gender pronouns.
03:35 Jesus man, did you say when the woman is yakking like crazy, you know she is single. It must have been a wild time in the 70's. Also strange times. Probably that's why she is still famous, and you are not. I'm watching the video just for MTM, and I don't know who the hell you are.
And I do not care. (I'm a man BTW)
That Interviewer is a total misogynist. Those times. Glad they are in the past. She handled that pr*ck like a pro though
No he isn't. Women should stay in the home.
My mother never liked David Susskind, and boy oh boy does this interview show me why.
your mother was a snowflake too?
We’re not coming
It's hard to watch the misogyny that was so normal for the time. Truly cringe worthy in 2020.
Lost respect for her after interview. Ironically, My mother looked like her only much prettier and had 5 children. She was a true success, imo.
"How can a man work and be a good father at the same time?" asked no male interviewer in 1966.
Because he's the leader of the home
What a jerk. She was always adorable.❤
This is what changed my opinion of "Mary" when she stated that she agrees with Betty Friedan - the Feminist @4:20 "Women should be human beings first, women second, wives and mothers third". "It should fall in that order" "It will not hurt the family...it will not hurt the work, it can function very nicely together". Hmm, your children are third and no room for God, which perfectly massages her chosen lifestyle of putting her career before ANYTHING else.
And guess who suffered? Her child and her husband.
Stop with the God.
@@barbarawebb7185 GOD is the reason why you exist Miss Barbara.....everything BEGINS & FLOURISHES with GOD!!!!!
May GOD forever bless and keep you always Miss Barbara!!!
What a simplistic observation.
Not everyone is exactly like you. Just a thought to consider.
"The servant problem in New York..." Oh dear. Love those mid Atlantic accents though. She didn't have it on the MTM show or in later interviews.
Look at her crazy hairstyle.
I definitely would have lost my cool with the rude condescending David Susskind. She handled him beautifully.
this was 60 years ago. times were different back then. it wasnt rude like today's woke culture is. today they would cancel him like andrew tate. he's also been dead for 35 years. so it's time to get over it.
Is David #Susskind questioning Mary Tyler #Moore on living independently or wildly? #retrospect #respect
Mary should take over this show #regret
this guy proved to be a jerk multiple times during this interview
I tried to cross my legs like Mary in this video. I CANNOT DO IT!!!! Im a 61 yo wm old fart!
Pampers is going to go in the next week
Jokay, ,, ,!?!
Ahhh. The way men were.
Sadly, while MTM was a brilliant entertainer, she wasn't a great parent or wife. So...like every other woman, she couldn't "have it all".
And she wasn't even all that brilliant. She was a decent sit com actress with dramatic range, but she couldn't be funny like Carol Burnettte.
Great legs
Men and Women have found out it wasn't the bad ol' days the hard way. Today women don't have a choice but to work, don't get to stay home anymore and be a mom. Everybody loses. You don't know what you got until it's gone, men and women lose. They've done studies and women today have never been more miserable. MTM did reject the Gloria Stienum feminism. MTM believed women need to be part of raising their kids, single motherhood is a proven loser. Libs like to see things that aren't there,the her later MTM show wasn't about anti family anything , or glorifying single women. It was just about a girl in the city getting by, and her many adventures.
Nice clip of her, you can see she is more than just a beautiful woman. She has high intelligence it comes out.
I was a small kid when this interview took place. You're right, there are many aspects of life that were far better than they are today. I grew up in a middle class family and my father was the only one that worked. He paid off the house mortgage in three years. Minimum wage was just over $2 and today's equivalent would be somewhere around $20. There were very few people on government assistance because almost everybody made enough to live and SAVE for their futures.
I could go on and on.
We will never see those days again.
It's what the internationalist socialists wanted, destroy this. Many wanted to destroy it, many Americans. Today's kids don't remember these days, and are told by many how they were oppressive to women.Fact is most men would love to be Rob Petrie, and most women would love to be Laura Petrie.
Well, you got a lot of it right - MTM thought women were crucial in their family lives, and she was her own woman, intelligent, and did not espouse Steinem's views. But certainly the show was _not_ about a _married_ woman. It examined women's lives with and without men in greater depth than anything previous, facing it clearly, with give and take, and leaves it to the audience to decide whether that glorifies a single woman's life, or brings it down to earth.
@@benkuxhouse787 very well said and so true....and while most men and women long for this more "traditional" lifestyle...they will purposely keep it hidden ( or only whisper about it) for fear of retribution....
Fast forward and Mary regretted not being there more for her son who shot himself dead at the young age of 24. Quality time does not always cover for quantity time. Betty Friedan led many women down a horrible path to desert their children for money.
To be fair, Mary was probably less available than most 9 to 5 working mothers were to their children.
Yeah, see, that's the kind of mansplaining we had to grow up with and navigate around. We couldn't have our own bankcards until 1971.
That's why old broads are so quick to assert our rights.
Never go back.
Shes really kind of brainwashed
He was a creep.
People forget that children still need their parents to fulfill their roles. And that married couples still have a role. You jeed to make it clear. Im paying for this. You're paying for that. You're picking up the kids. It's not about this is a woman's role, this is a man's role. There's a role to be filled. There's duties one needs to do. The bills, the chores, it cant just be "equal." It's EQUAL at my job about the phone ringing to EVERYONE. And whoever picks us, picks up. So guess who ends up picking up after a few phone calls. NO ONE. because theyre all entitled pricks who think someone else.should answer..
My husband and I talk all the time. I love being a wife . Look at America now broken homes children don’t respect their parents. The beginning of families in debt working harder. God’s way is better
Gee, one sane comment in all the ignorant replies, thank you! I completely changed my opinion of the "TV Mary" after listening to this interview.
Mary espoused the feminist Friedan thinking her CAREER comes before her child and husband. And that being a housewife was too mundane. Of course, no room for God either. And what happened? Both suffered. Yet not a soul commenting on here see's this.
I wish she hadn't had plastic surgery. She was lovely before
I loved her but I don't care for the opinionated David Susskind. He annoyed me.
USFanlovesjiwoo Same here.