Just wanted to add something that wasn’t mentioned here. Tecumseh stopped the torture of the American POWs at the River Raisin by the Native Americans. American survivors praised Tecumseh for this in their personal letters they sent back home. Tecumseh then shamed the British officers for not being able to stop the massacre by their Native Allies.
I love Native American ideals. The idea that this land belongs to its children, all of us. For Tecumseh to state that he can't sell what isn't his and that the land already belongs to both the red man and the white man. In return, respect the land mother nature has given us. Such beauty and respect. What an argument. "Why not sell the air, the sea, and the earth?" Only to be rebutted with, "If you natives were one of the Same children of mother earth, than you would all be of the same tribe speaking the same language." What tiny minded thinking. Being white myself, our past is embarrassing. Even some shit today is ridiculous (that goes for all races these days though. A lot of selfishness going around and true values of significant notoriety lost. Way too materialistic as well). I don't blame Tecumseh for denouncing and rejecting those bogus treaties of the past. It's already been proven that we are not true to our word. We could all learn a lot from our Native American brothers. They are truly in touch with nature and the balance of the universe and of life.
Guitar George Thank you for your comment! I’m glad to see that some still have the open mind to understand. There are higher laws and higher rights that are in the hearts of all man. We all have this understanding within us. Written law tried to break it, but it doesn’t hold weight against the higher law. All men have the right to life and all that Mother Earth provides, not to be owned, but to be borrowed during our lifetime.
GG: Another oft repeated myth. Tribes were absolutely brutal to each other for thousands of years before any white man showed up, taking land and slaves from each other on a regular basis.
Are you an expert in history that has actual proof of your claims of "BS" or are you just a lousy product of a shoddy public education system that just assumes things without any ability to back it up?
@@Bonzi_Buddy Hey Einstein, it doesn't take an expert in history to realize that they are telling the side that makes Harrison look like less of an asshole than he was.
@@deerobinson557 they said he decided to attack and burn the town, where are they trying to not make him look like an asshole? The natives had scouts that probably spotted the large army who couldn't move stealthily like the natives.
Being from northeast Ohio and spending most of my life on west basin at our cottage on Pelee island I have had many years to visit and explore the sites of the war of 1812. To visualize the historical important of my state in this conflict gives me a sense of pride knowing that so many historical people were standing on ground I stood on. And when I'm on the lake heading to Cedar Point. I pass through the very spot where the battle of Lake Erie took place. I look over to the monument for Commodore Perry and picture the smoke and cannons on a now, quiet and peaceful lake. Ohio is now a beautiful and peaceful place to live. But it's infancy was anything but. I do still feel remorse for the first Nations that called Ohio their home. To this day there's large regions of the state where they lived that are scarcely populated. In every account of the 1812 war we hear,. What if Brock,. But I ask, what if we, would have talked to Tecumsa and really listened The speculation is always twords the relationship with the British. But what if we would have chosen to share this land in peace? I think the outcome would have been completely different from what it is today. That's the interesting aspect of history. One subtle change can rewrite the future. Thanks for a fantastic video. Very well presented.
I loved this. It's my favorite war to talk about. So many cool stories and interesting people. My family's original homestead is on the banks of the Sandusky River right next to Wyandot county, which was the last Indian reservation in Ohio. I feel such a connection to these stories.
Tribes are different with language and customs so many tribes didn't get along we see them as the same people but their not that's why tribal wars is something people can't wrap their mind around it was political to gain more land and warriors but they would assimilate the opposing tribe into the dominant ones who won the battle the chief of the enemy tribe would be killed men indentured to servitude until they have assimilated and can be trusted but women and children assimilated immediately they'd marry the women and children adopted brought up to practice that culture customs..... That scot-Irish girl that was ambushed as revenge was assimilated but hee parents and older siblings who couldn't be trusted or assimilated were murdered the older children was killed because they've spent life as a European and couldn't be trusted and would be much harder to assimilate this is how many native American and African tribes operated they had no idea of the barbaric slavery white people practice and developed they just wanted to get rid of the enemy which they could gain protection for their tribe from slave traders so they opted to sell a useless prisoner of war this not for all majority fought off the slave raids its so much i can give on this subject
What surprised the Africans is how ruthless Europeans were they didn't think they kill off entire tribes cause Africans wouldn't wipe out a weaker tribe out they'd give them that mercy so Africans truly weren't prepared for the evil killing machine Europeans a few nations knew better to not underestimate the length an enemy would go to and some nations won and fought back and matched Europeans war tactics and that got them praise like in the hatian revolution Europeans said they've never seen black people fighting so ferociously
Tecumseh had it right. Imagine if Americans woke up tomorrow morning and realised that no government appointee or electorate past or present could negotiate or vote away, God given individual rights?
It is a privilege to see Dr. David Skaggs -- and hear his opinions -- in this piece. I took every class I could with him when I began my graduate work at Bowling Green State University (American Culture Studies) circa 1986. His passion for American History was contagious and inspired many of us!!!!
General William T. Sherman's father admired Chief Tecumseh so much that he named his son after him. General Sherman's full name is -- William Tecumseh Sherman.
There was a dispute over who Tecumseh's mother was, and it has been said he was half white. I was looking up my ancestry and my 7x ggf had a daughter that was married to Pukeshinwa, Tecumseh's father. So if he was half white my ancestor is his mother, and if he's not half white, then she was his step mother. I had no idea ever until last year, and I'm 58, but according to all ancestry websites, Tecumseh has a tie my maternal grandfather, and I am proud of him.
Seldom acknowledged is that many of these significant American Indians were mixed blood, that they could communicate with both sides. Being American Indian was to have an American Indian mother.
V Yes. I think his mother was a native American, but there was also a question of which tribe. Muskogee or another,( I can't recall). I always realize that I am also related to both sides (via other relatives of my fathers side) that had been killing each other. I'm hard pressed to explain, much less know how that felt ,in real time while it was happening. Tecumseh's stepmother, my relative, only came to visit home once or twice and then went back to her Indian family. I wish things would have gone better back then, as most people did then, and still do. Thanks for listening. Happy trails.
Shanti Saks : Ancient-American History & Style I'm no troll, I don't make stuff up to make you angry. You made you angry. I looked up an ancestor of MINE on a website named Geni.com said her husband was Pukeshinwa and it listed their children and Tecumseh was one along the others. Alot of the other websites said the sane thing. I think she was his STEPmother, FYI !! I'm not the one who produced any of the statements made, as fact about Tecumseh's ancestry. I'm just speaking from things I've read.
I know a guy who is a native American, his mother lives on the reservation. He lives near Gwinn, Michigan. The indians in USA were treated badly in the early part of the 18th century.
@@RichardDevereauxEarlofEssex Alright dude, good to know. Funny you should mention that because every time I get a notification, I immediately comment and sometimes I can top spots.
Hi Perry White. When I downloaded the video to watch later the download did not record the subtitles. I am much happier now that the stupid subtitles are not covering things up. I have never seen such silly BIG subtitles used before.
Re: Tecumseh. Great Warrior? Not so much. At best his tactics were standard "Injun," and he actually only fought/commanded in three battles. One was a brilliant classical ambush (Brownstown), one he fought hard, but has his a## handed to him where he took perhaps 1/3 casualties despite at least matching, but probably outnumbering his opponent (Monguagon). His last being total and utter defeat. As for his "Confederation" it was mostly a loose conglomeration of co-belligerents. One of the myths is that it was Procter's retreat from Malden that broke the Confederation. Actually it fell apart before the Battle of Lake Erie, because of internal Indian unhappiness with Tecumseh's leadership. Fought for "his people?" Well Tecumseh's "people" were the Shawnee, and well, they did not hold to well to him, and the Shawnee almost to a man sided with the Americans. Neither was he the leader of the Shawnee...although he made that claim, and that was his desire...(he was actually from a "disinherited" clan whose leadership had passed to other clans after Fallen Timbers and the Treaty of Greenville). Although he did have a more modern view of the good treatment of prisoners (one of the major issues he had with more "traditional" Indians, especially the Pottawatomie), he had no problem and made liberal use of political assassinations for years before the war of any Indian chiefs who gainsaid him, or were "pro-American." Tecumseh was great in many ways, but he was no saint, and barely competent, but would as Richard Johnson would later remark, made a good politician (in Washington, or even London).
Blood and Soil. Let it go my friends. There is no point in it. It is like holding a burning ember in a closed fist. it will only ever hurt. Drop it and move on towards your end. Your end that will come. Do not be used once again by devils that only grope for more. And remember, Where ever you go, There you are ;)
I guess the World should have just accepted the Nazis or the Irish the English? Painful but progressive, right? If anyone deserves reparations it is the true Americans who took the land only from each other on occasion.
Tecumseh was a great warrior, great mind and he has hearth for his people he stand for, fearless human being who give his life away in order to keep hope of freedom ...
Yeah I love learning about him! I live in a small town in Ontario Canada there's signs and stuff put up around here because Chief Tecumseh passed through here and also the underground railroad did to!
@Marrowbones The reason he leaned a bit more toward the cause of his own people and not a champion of white people was because the white people had a LOT more land everywhere else in America BUT where Tecumseh was. He was pissed they wanted his people's land also. He only fought for his own land, which of course made sense to him.
@Marrowbones How would you not believe his desire to fight the white people was not a result of the white people's manifest destiny creedos that took the native Americans' land. He didn't fight with other NAs, he united them.
At the of The War Of 1812, there were no winners However, there was a loser. One of he greatest shames,, and the greatest sorrows, of the history of the americas, so oft repeated, before, and since.
@Richard Dixon nope Only human empathy, morality and ethics. You, on the other hand, must be a highly vocal proponent of hitlers *"final solution"* A racist sociopath, so to speak.
@Richard Dixon so, for curiosity's sake, is it just Natives? Or *All* non- caucasians? Do you direct intolerance towards different religious beliefs too?
Tecumseh knew that all the Indians had to all be in agreement or what had happened in his childhood would happen again. The Shawnee land was given away by treaty by another group of Indians with a mark on a piece of paper. Never again could the Shawnee regain that land, or even set foot in it …which another tribe gave away without even asking!
Chief Tecumseh was correct they were willing to share the land but not to sell because the Natives at the time did not sell anything because everything was shared no one tribe owned any land.
Uh, no. The bought and sold (what was used as currency is another matter) goods just like anyone else, and had adapted pretty strongly to "White" trade goods. That was what the whole "Lets get back to nature" movement at the time was all about to begin with.
Confederation meaning a diplomatic linking of tribes or peoples, granted they did fight wars but never took land mostly property and slaves mostly women. Your point has zero merit, the native americans didnt not have the same views of empire or land ownership that the europeans did. If you listened to the first 5 minutes of this video you would have heard his view on land ownership and sale
The pipe tomahawk that Henry Proctor presented to Tecumseh as a gift actually still survives in a museum, and you can look it up. It's in amazing condition because it was only a short time later that Tecumseh was killed at the Battle of the Thames, so it didn't see much use at all. It's a beautiful weapon!
What I wouldn't give to hop into a time machine and go explore the past. Of course I'd stop by Woodstock in 1969, The Grassy Knoll in Dallas in 1963, but then I'd eventually make my way towards the early days of this country. I just imagine the giant trees, stunning scenery, fresh air, and people with more charm and character than we can even imagine today. Every book was precious, every article of clothing was hand made, and every meal you ate was well-earned. I imagine the peaceful dirt roads long before noisy gas engines would forever drown out the simple sounds of nature, daily tasks, and neighborly conversation.
Braddock E. Hutton What about visiting Waterloo , because we all know you won that for us English, ...no ! ...l had forgotten,..Mind you it's ONLY a matter of time when you start claiming that....you did it with ww1...from late Jun 1918 after only 6 months in action on the fronts were the Germans were utterly defeated and asset destroyed,...... Stolen Valor ,..now you know were that word originated from English Mik
I also drift away at times and imagine myself in the time period of the history I’m learning about. If only we could return for a short period of time, it would be so cool.
The major problem with this is the majority of historians shown were leftists with agendas. Notable is the young Douglas Brinkley, now a well known Democrat Party intellectual hack with little credibility except among his fellow true believers. Would have been better with some more neutral historians, except that this was a PBS product. For those who want a more accurate discussion of the 1790's that introduce this documentary, look up General David Palmer's "1794" published in the 1990's. Palmer is a great historian and shows how amazing Wayne's victory at Fallen Timbers was. Evey previous American Army engaged in securing this territory, granted by the Treaty of Paris which ended the Revolution in 1783 to the newly United States, had been badly defeated and massacred. The actual effective American frontier was in Pennsylvania.
I am sorry for the pain you endure. So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people. Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide. Chief Tecumseh
stand in awe of the burden and hardship that others carry or sit in judgment of how well that load is carried witch path brings you closer to spirit or family or anything good
@@andrewmoll7366 Sure... or Allah Or Buddha or any of the other 3000 gods humanity worship... Its still a good idea to lead a worthy life... If Your God offers you a Be a scum bag with out consequences card, probably a scum bag of a god...
@@gpwcowboy Correct... I just Copy/pasta the thing... There are questions as to him ever saying it as well... History often gets embellished but in this case I think it fits. Native Traditions often do so like the Blue glow reported from the edge of his sword... Family tradition. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Richardson_(author)
A myth that has been passed on, and many people still believes. Tecumseh loved the Wabash and Tippecanoe river basin very much. As the myth goes, Tecumseh said a prayer to protect the area that he loved. Therefore no tornadoes will damage the Area. The city of Lafayette is in the Wabash river valley. The myth must be wrong because the city of Lafayette, Indiana has had a few Tornadoes. Luckily no real major damage or deaths occurred.
Imagine if Indian sailors came to the Americas and labelled the locals as Italians... TO THIS DAY. It's ridiculous that the term "Indians" is used time and time again in this video to describe people who are NOT FROM INDIA. In Canada, the word Indians has long gone back to its original definition for real Indians of South Asia, where words like Indigenous, Native Americans, First Nations, and Aboriginals are the words still used. It's time for people like the idiotic narrator here to correct the centuries-old mistake when uneducated sailors mistakenly mixed up the Americas and India!
I remember this subject in both High School and College. I kept taking History as an elective and when reviewing my credits for my last semester and prepping for graduation, Dr Guy, my Advisor was like, "Well look at you, ya got enough History credits for a Minor!" We both lol, neither of us expecting that at all. Majors: Journalism, Sociology Minor: History Now, After it again, Ancient History - through Yale University. Exceptional Professor. Exceptional experience. Never stop Learning. I'm 58.
Only to Guilty Whites. Most "Natives" prefer to be called "Indians," over "Native Americans." Tribal/National names are the most preferred...don't know why.
Fascinating and once again the losers were the native American peoples. British imperialism and American thirst for other people's land . What a waste of life. at least British had abolished the slave trade by this time , but took them unitl 1840 to bring this criminality to a final end. Little redress after such a disgusting criminal trade in human beings largely dominated by the British as a whole , and abbetted by so many prominent Scottish business people. Canada has come forth as a country of human rights and dignity , having refused to support the US/ British 2nd war in Iraq, that has made the middle east such a humanitarian distaster. The Canadians were first in for the fight against pan German military dictatorship in WW1 and the fight against Hitlerism in WW2. Respect for Canadians and native Americans from a bereft 60%+ EU remain London
This comment is on the money. In North america it still goes on. ever since the first land developer got the first American (Native american) drunk and had him make his mark on some paper he did not understand.Unfortunately developers continue to rape the land for profit. Some places like California sadder than others that so much natural beauty is now cookie-cutter housing, highways, strip centers, fast-food restaurants, etc. No woder Europeans look down on us.
@Doug Bevins Not all Empires, We just changed ours to The Commonwealth, the Queen is still head of state of the Second Largest country in the world and an entire continent (Australasia) and 50 odd other countries and Dependencies around the world.
Coming from First Nation Native of Canada of Treaty 8 which were sign in 1899 and still standing, naw it’s America’s fault by lying in the first place. Guess the real bad guys were the blue coats not the red coats. Kinda hard looking at red coats as bad guys knowing Canada still has treaties with indigenous people of Canada, now can America say the same?!?
@@philipwilliams7947 you picked a bad example for that reference lol. As far as i can tell you don't win as many wars as u think but American history never admits when they lose anything
@@aprylvanryn5898 Naw. Its not a bad example. They arent here now are they? And, of the Barbary pirates, we got tired of them and soundly defeated them so as not to have to pay ransom to keep them from attacking our ships. You might want to dig a little deeper, than you seem to. I can tell you are an American hating liberal, just by the way you post things. :P You cant hide.
@@philipwilliams7947 i don't hate Americans anymore than i hate anyone else. What do you want me to dig into? Its a fact that the only war u won on ur own as a country is the one with Britain but ur history books all glaze over every failure the United States ever had.
@@aprylvanryn5898 Actually it doesnt 'glaze over' anything. or at least it didnt used to. I dont know what they teach these days, but I know the democrat liberals are ripping things out of the curriculum. We didnt win the war of independence on our own, because we were 'new'. Thanks to France. Failure in what way, may I ask? Our only 'failures' were the wars we half assed. If we went full bore, we wouldnt lose. End of story. Europe would be speaking German if it werent for the U.S. by the way. A little pay back for France helping us out in the revolution. The U.S. was the counter to USSR for many years. A few 'failures' here and there still do not taint the excellent record of the United States. You can hate all you want, but does not take away the fact the United States is the greatest country on the planet that has ever been. Its influence transcends all.
Canada still essentially won the war of 1812, United States lost. I agree if Brock had lived things would've been different. Don't forget the Queenston Heights memorial to Brock
Canada won, but if the US had lost, the Old Northwest would have become a British protectorate and would probably be either part of or associated with Canada today; and the westward expansion of the US would have been slowed if not stopped. What if the British had taken and kept New Orleans, thus taking control of the lower Mississippi? Would the British have let the US keep the Louisiana Purchase, and even if so, would it have been able to hold most of it? Regardless, the course of US history would have been changed drastically. That is assuming that the British didn't decide to demand the breakup of the US as punishment for starting the war (which we did, though there was certainly provocation on the British side). The only clear losers in this fight were the Indians, and for them, the outcome of the war was catastrophic.
@@johnries5593 You state provocation from Britain? I guess you mean the Impressment of sailors into the Royal Navy?..That will not hold water,the French the Spanish the Portuegese were also impressing sailors from the US.Your attack on Canada is based on a lie using impressment as an excuse.Why didnt your congress also go to war on the other countries,why just Britain?Because you Anglophile haters wanted us out of N.America..no other reason.
The vast majority of British forces were in Canada. The invasion wasn't to conquer but to confront their opponent and to occupy territory that at a future date could be negotiated in a peace treaty
@ Invade and capture Canada to occupy territory that at a future date could be negotiated in a peace treaty, that's what countries do when they are at war. Most likely they wanted to free Canada from domination by the British with the goal of turning into states that would voluntarily join the US union or become an independent nation. Historians David and Jeanne Heidler argue that "most historians agree that the War of 1812 was not caused by expansionism but instead reflected a real concern of American patriots to defend United States' neutral rights from the overbearing tyranny of the British Navy. In addition, eliminating the British presence in Canada would best accomplish British support for Indian raids." So lighten up Francis. PS. Why would anyone want to capture and occupy Canada anyway except if you were at war. Frozen wasteland.
@@mikeaylward4521 Of course the majority of British forces on the planet at that time were engaged with the French, my reference is to British forces fighting against the US forces in North American
First of all the racist arrogance that Natives had no right to exist as free independent people is outrageous to see presented as legitimate in a 21st century documentary. Blaming Britain for conflicts created by that atitudue is even worse.
This documentary makes it very hard to see the forest for the trees. Historical reasons, factors and consequences are completely buried in a running narrative of battles. Even the role of the Indians. And it's impossible to stay awake into the bargain. And - wait! Both the naval battle at teh fort in Baltimore, and the Battle of New Orleans, not to mention sequelae for the country's growth and so forth, are COMPLETELY left off. ????!!!!!??????
They give Tecumseh too much credit. He thought he had the right to tell "lesser tribes" who they could make treaties, and land deals with. He was truly only concerned about his own tribe, and knew he could never face the Americans on his own. So under the guise of unity he encouraged other tribes to fight the Americans. Another thing they didn't get too much into is his brother. After his great defeat other tribes wanted to kill him because they saw him as a fake prophet. Tecumseh saved him from being killed, but at the cost of other tribes braking away. Tecumseh only really cared about his tribe.
@@jamesmcnally886 it's not really. Instead of unity, and coordinated cohesive action they were divided and conquered like all the others. Like I said he gets too much credit. He lead his nation to defeat in nearly all the same way all other tribes were conquered. By themselves.
The plain truth is Tecumseh was simply an all-around jerk. Nothing more. Nothing less. Hopefully, in the last few minutes before his death, he realized what a jerk he was. ;)
In now Hamilton Ontario are the remnants of the original 1813 Burlington Heights earthworks. There is a smaller Plaque: From here on 07 June, 1813, 700 Regular, Militia and Indigenous in the night attacked the 3,500 American troops in their night camp at Stoney Creek. After the rought the American Army were chased back to Niagara.
The deadly embrace of European technology and the trading posts by Indian tribes is rarely talked about. Indians would compete for trading posts because a tribe that had access to tomahawks and guns had an advantage over tribes using traditional tools and weapons. The British were favored over the French often because the British tomahawks also had a pipe bowl so Indians could use it as a calumet, or ceremonial pipe. Trading posts created a dependency relationship with the trader and the country behind it. Those tribes would come under the influence of that country. So, in the French & Indian War, both Britain and France got various Indian tribes to fight for them. The Pottawatomie of Chicago area fought for the French and defeated the Iroquois a number of times. The tragedy for the Indians was that change was coming too fast, and too profoundly for them to adapt. In reading history, there was honor and deceit on both sides. But, one thing was clear - the inexorable march of technology that changed the Europeans, and the nature of their engagement with the Indians. The old Indian cultures had no chance, just as the old Celtic and Germanic cultures of Europe had no chance.
Skipped right over the fact that America technically lost that war when it sign the Treaty of Ghent. In which Britain would keep all land as before. Meaning Britain successfully defended its boarder. 👍😂
L COLE. Actually it was a bit worse than that. America started the war because it thought it could gain land easily from what is now Canada. It always coveted the idea; and with England dealing with Napoleon it seemed fairly straightforward. But instead of the Americans taking bits of Upper and Lower Canada it was only the British who gained land. So with the treaty which required everything to revert to how it was before the war, it was only the British who had to hand back land they hadn’t wanted in the first place. And the Americans had nothing to hand back! Somewhat ironic. It’s also true that some of the most determined defenders of York (now Toronto) where citizens of America.
That would be true if that was correct, the US goal was never to take Canada even as this video states the goal of britain was to take land off them. Doesn’t seem like it was the USA that lost.
Let's face it, they were very small in comparison to things like Detroit, Prophetstown, Fort Miegs, etc., etc. While I enjoy the obscure, and have visited Pigeon Roost, these are not large battles, and hence not that sexy.
At the Battle of Fort Wm Henry Harrison you have the beginnings of the "making of a president" that being Zachary Taylor. He gets a promotion out of the deal. Julia Lambert offers her self to be lowered in a well in the middle of the night get more water to keep the fort from burning down. I'm sorry that didn't mentioned either.
If you want interested in going the "sexy route." Then why not tell about Fort Petticoat. Yes there was a women's fort. The fort and area had been abandon by the men in northern Knox County, IN therefore the women took over. There are lots of "sexy" women that could pose as the "forgotten protectors of the Indiana frontier." Also on the far eastern portion women and old men protected the area where the soldiers and militia's went to Ohio and Harrison asked them "who was protecting Indiana?" The women and old men were. So he sent them back to eastern Indiana. During that interim it was a women, boys and old men territory. There is a church build in 1812 in eastern Indiana that is still there, that had/has port holes on the second floor.
The Prophet was just a figurehead for Tecumseh. Tecumseh was the one having the visions and instructing the Prophet what to do. The Prophet was a legend in his own mind. His not listening to his brother Tecumseh was why they lost.
Tecumseh was one of the greatest leaders and men of all time. Tecumseh challenged Harrison to a contest of champions between them but Harrison refused; Harrison could not have taken Tecumseh man to man.
@@JStryker7 you are high. If you loose most of the battles, you loose the war. You may gain after a treaty is signed but thats only because the winner allows you to gain.
@Jim Hope And were responsible for every massacre and atrocity committed there.Americans account of "Winning" every battle is to have the highest body count....not hard when your fighting guys in their pyjamas.
Can you imagine? Hand to hand combat between Tecumseh and Harrison. Winner take all the land west of the Allegany mountains. I'd roll everything on Tecumseh.
There are amazing amounts of existing and current racism towards white people from "Natives" in this video. Not all of us white people are British. Racism isn't limited to white people. I get very upset by this constant double standard, as not all white people have had great treatment either.
@@SmewthePew I was referring to the 1970's when they rebuilt the fort into basically what it is today. Before that I think it was just a park with playground equipment and BBQ grills, if memory serves me.
Wanatan the charger the Dakota hunkpati sioux war chief. Who fought in the war of 1812 he was wounded nine times during the fighting. The also aided the British during the war. Wanatan has a US War ship named after him.
And who did Cherokee steal it from, Shawnee? They killed each other no matter the tribe when they crossed paths. US showed them civility, most groups of people who lose wars are decimated. You should see what the spanish did to the Native Mexicans.
Interesting how replies are removed They were all savages and we treated them pretty good considering the slaughter they brought upon innocent settlers. If they didnt think you should own land, why would they kill any strangers who crossed them? Who gave it to them to govern? Geeeeze...
You are smart as they come. Too bad the rest of the sheep are not capable of critical thinking. When American's steal , plunder pillage and rape it's called conquering. If I do it, I go to jail for a multitude of crimes.
You are smart as they come. Too bad the rest of the sheep are not capable of critical thinking. When American's steal , plunder pillage and rape it's called conquering. If I do it, I go to jail for a multitude of crimes.
@@ALittleOG Americans stole land from people who didn't agree with their way of thinking, 50,000 people had their lands confiscated and kicked out of the country because they opposed separating from England. My ancestors were born in Pennsylvania, 5 generations of the family lived in what is now USA, arriving in 1632. But they didn't want war with England. Too bad, get out of the country and we take your land. They escaped with their lives to Canada. They were called Tories, simply because they didn't swear oaths of allegiance to the Committee of Safety because swearing oaths was against their religion. Life, liberty and the pursuit of who's happiness? Not theirs. The USA is based on lies. All men are created equal? Bull $@#%, explain slaves if all men are created equal. Explain taking lands when there were treaties with the natives not to cross the Ohio river? Money and property is what USA is built on.
I think Tecumseh did have a point about Procter. His withdrawal was hardly heroic and may well have given the Americans the victory in the Northwest theater.
Now the case I mentioned was specific We were brutal because as we saw it we had to be All you have offered are vague generalities. Which with out specific reference I can't answer. You judge all natives by the worse acts of a few with out any context as to why they happened. Was US expansion forced upon your people because you were displaced by wars with stronger tribes? Did famine & pestilence drive you to seek new lands? Or did it happen because your people felt entitled to take Native lands?
Eddythebeast666 Actually, yes they did come from overpopulated and famine lands. Please remember that there are no native lands. All peoples came from somewhere else. Being there first only works if five and you claim the front seat....unless someone bigger than you wants it
seriously the first white to come over didn't risk what was the most dangerous journey in the world just take land they were escaping persecution and tyranny. had the natives not sided with the British in the war life would be very different. I'm not saying it's right how it played out but there was wrongs on both sides and now 200 years later we all our stuck on this continent it's time to stop living in the past and work together for a better future for America as a whole!
@@mrs.schmenkman You kind of slide around the point. If you want to claim "Might makes right" then do so & be done with it... Claiming European Civilization was overpopulated & starving is not true.. Most European Famines were caused by the stratified political system there... Ship loads of food were shipped from Ireland as people starved to death... It was NOT a Natural disaster, even the crop dependency was a structured policy... Natives planted many different kinds of potatoes to avoid such failures... There was no moral justification for Colonization... It was funded as an economic investment... First to establish a claim is the bases for all forms of possession.... no one can own anything with out some one first setting in an area using local resources to build a sustainable life... Not just human beings but all life... Buffalo can't exist with out a broad rage of habitat... They don't need a title recognized in the courts only acknowledgment that they were here when we go here.. They are NATIVE. You can't shift blame to the Buffalo for displacing Mammoths... They didn't build fleets of ships & launch armed invasions....
@@garygubersob3989 Escaping persecution and tyranny BY OTHER WHITES & then inflicting those same horrors upon all you encountered... You Brought the very thing you fled with you... because it was your nature of your society.. Those whites that went Native joining the tribes were welcome... They greatly improved our lives... First trading European manufactured goods, then establishing industries... Blacksmithing, miners Claiming European Civilization was overpopulated & starving is not true.. Most European Famines were caused by the stratified political system there... Ship loads of food were shipped from Ireland as people starved to death... It was NOT a Natural disaster, even the crop dependency was a structured policy... Natives planted many different kinds of potatoes to avoid such failures... There was no moral justification for Colonization... It was funded as an economic investment... First to establish a claim is the bases for all forms of possession.... no one can own anything with out some one first setting in an area using local resources to build a sustainable life... Not just human beings but all life... Buffalo can't exist with out a broad rage of habitat... They don't need a title recognized in the courts only acknowledgment that they were here when we go here.. They are NATIVE. You can't shift blame to the Buffalo for displacing Mammoths... They didn't build fleets of ships & launch armed invasions.... There is no future for any of us... The elites have a plan for us... "We will own Nothing & be happy"... No Middle class for generation Z...they will never own homes.... Everything wrong with Europe has come here...
I wish to learn the truth. I had read a book where the Author, who even listed his resources. This author claims that Tecumseh was a war Chief only. It claimed the Prophet was the chief over the tribe. According to the author Harrison was more concerned with the Prophet. Also according to this author a small group of Huron rode close to the encampment of Harrison. Some of Harrison’s men fired killing a few of the Huron. The Huron went back to Prophets town and reported the incident. The Prophet wanted to wait and not attack. Supposedly he Huron raised enough hell, that the attack in the early morning hours. Also according to the author Prophets town was burnt twice. The author said the Prophet with a small group set up a camp along the wildcat creek. I live in Tippecanoe County within a few miles from the battlefield site. There is now a state park in the immediate area of the battlefield.
Harrison was much more concerned about Tecumseh and the authority he had. Harrison knew that the Prophet was more vulnerable and took that advantage while Tecumseh was far away in the south seeking more allies.
@@stanpratt6546 Harrison's (and pretty much every other American) correspondence says the opposite, and WHH does not really start worrying about T. until well into 1813. After Tippecanoe he was much more focused (obsessed with) what he saw as the betrayal of the Miami. Hence the expeditions against their towns after the relief of Fort Wayne and the Mississinewa in 1812
@@stanpratt6546 I could be wrong, but his clan traditionally held the leadership of the tribe until the Treaty of Greeneville (or about that time), but the Shawnee had been decimated in numbers and their were some amalgamations with the leadership passing to the medicine clan, and thus Black Hoof. I really should look this up to be certain, though BH was the principal chief (or "King" as the British put it) of the Shawnee, and they most decidedly came in on the American side during the war. T & BH hated one another btw.
As a Brit who loves American history and has travelled widely in the US and Canada I find it fascinating how a nations historic myths develop over the years to become "fact". To Americans the war of 1812 wins the North West for the USA defeating the tyrannical Brits and their Native American Allies. To the Brits the war is a footnote to the Napoleonic Wars which really was a battle for survival against a real tyranny who wanted to conquer Europe. To the Canadians, the resistance by the very few British regulars, Canadians and Native Americans prevented the land hungry US from conquering what is now Canada and adding that vast territory to their own empire.
The revolutionaries broke the treaties that the Brits had made with the natives. Many natives moved into Canada after where the Brits granted them land.
It all revolves around Britain and the people that longed to be free from Britain and its dominance on the citizens freedoms.Especially religious freedoms.
To the Americans, it showed that the Native tribes couldn't be trusted & that living together wasn't going to happen. I certainly hope William Harrison is mentioned, he was vital in defeating Tecumseh. His respect for his opponents is why he survived, his men slept on their Rifles with fixed Bayonets. They were attacked @ 5am.(early on) We struggled as a nation. But we learn, then forget,relearn & repeat. American= 53%British 32%Scottish 12% Welsh 1% German 2%Basque. I am proud my Heritage is of the British Isles, when you think of the Amazing men with the Courage to sail off into the unknown and face it is why Western Civilization exists, when you look at a map, see the size of those Islands. its even more impressive.
without the conquistadors decimating native populations across the american plains, how different would history be? and the spanish were pure opportunists based on greed. later europeans were at least escaping their own tyranny and looking for a better life.
The Dutch were okay until the NAs disagreed with them and then the Dutch only penchant came out...greed for money and so they slaughtered NAs. Trump Dutch ...no?
He also gave up the Territory. Emotionally, I think the sentence of his court martial should have been carried out, but his living led to more sources to recreate those events. In fact, I would say the surrender of Detroit is probably the best documented event of the War of 1812.
Hull promised liberty to Canadians whilst threatening to kill any British soldier he found fighting alongside Native Americans. I take it as a threat that he would not have taken prisoners had he been victorious.
Prophetstown in Illinois is named for Whitecloud a respected prophet that may have betrayed Blackhawk when he asked him to come to Prophetstown from the Mississippi.
Amazing how Colonial America thought they were promised rights to expand into the NW Territory. I do believe there was something written into the Treaty of Ghant concerning the Sovereignty of the Native Americans, but they were excluded from the Treaty. William Harrison admired Tecumseh, but the emerging Colonial Nation of the USA desired the Territory regardless of the various Tribes. This War is very much overlooked and forgotten by many US Citizens. Although the British burned Washington, D.C., were very successful in the Central Atlantic States and dominated the High Sea, the Success of the US Naval Forces on the Great Lakes bordering Canada played a vital role in negotiations favoring the USA. Good documentary. Thank you. Watch & Enjoy.
Just wanted to add something that wasn’t mentioned here. Tecumseh stopped the torture of the American POWs at the River Raisin by the Native Americans. American survivors praised Tecumseh for this in their personal letters they sent back home. Tecumseh then shamed the British officers for not being able to stop the massacre by their Native Allies.
That was Dudleys defeat, right outside of fort Miamis. We have a monument for the British soldiers that were killed trying to stop it.
@@davidthigpen2366the commander stood and watched 🙃
Ft. Miegs& the Maumee River beside it are my playground. Occasionally musket balls can still be found along the shore.
Dallas DautermanDallas are they always round or do you find the “cleaning type”?
White Hat Most I've found are either round or flattened from hitting something
I love Native American ideals. The idea that this land belongs to its children, all of us. For Tecumseh to state that he can't sell what isn't his and that the land already belongs to both the red man and the white man. In return, respect the land mother nature has given us. Such beauty and respect. What an argument. "Why not sell the air, the sea, and the earth?" Only to be rebutted with, "If you natives were one of the Same children of mother earth, than you would all be of the same tribe speaking the same language." What tiny minded thinking. Being white myself, our past is embarrassing. Even some shit today is ridiculous (that goes for all races these days though. A lot of selfishness going around and true values of significant notoriety lost. Way too materialistic as well). I don't blame Tecumseh for denouncing and rejecting those bogus treaties of the past. It's already been proven that we are not true to our word. We could all learn a lot from our Native American brothers. They are truly in touch with nature and the balance of the universe and of life.
Guitar George Thank you for your comment! I’m glad to see that some still have the open mind to understand. There are higher laws and higher rights that are in the hearts of all man. We all have this understanding within us. Written law tried to break it, but it doesn’t hold weight against the higher law. All men have the right to life and all that Mother Earth provides, not to be owned, but to be borrowed during our lifetime.
GG: Another oft repeated myth. Tribes were absolutely brutal to each other for thousands of years before any white man showed up, taking land and slaves from each other on a regular basis.
So Harrison got permission to to invade prophets town , but then they said they got attacked first by the Indians .... Hmmm . I'm calling bullshit lol
Ah... english empire
Are you an expert in history that has actual proof of your claims of "BS" or are you just a lousy product of a shoddy public education system that just assumes things without any ability to back it up?
@@Bonzi_Buddy Hey Einstein, it doesn't take an expert in history to realize that they are telling the side that makes Harrison look like less of an asshole than he was.
@@deerobinson557 they said he decided to attack and burn the town, where are they trying to not make him look like an asshole? The natives had scouts that probably spotted the large army who couldn't move stealthily like the natives.
Being from northeast Ohio and spending most of my life on west basin at our cottage on Pelee island I have had many years to visit and explore the sites of the war of 1812. To visualize the historical important of my state in this conflict gives me a sense of pride knowing that so many historical people were standing on ground I stood on. And when I'm on the lake heading to Cedar Point. I pass through the very spot where the battle of Lake Erie took place. I look over to the monument for Commodore Perry and picture the smoke and cannons on a now, quiet and peaceful lake. Ohio is now a beautiful and peaceful place to live. But it's infancy was anything but. I do still feel remorse for the first Nations that called Ohio their home. To this day there's large regions of the state where they lived that are scarcely populated.
In every account of the 1812 war we hear,. What if Brock,. But I ask, what if we, would have talked to Tecumsa and really listened The speculation is always twords the relationship with the British. But what if we would have chosen to share this land in peace? I think the outcome would have been completely different from what it is today. That's the interesting aspect of history. One subtle change can rewrite the future. Thanks for a fantastic video. Very well presented.
We are happy you enjoyed this video!
I loved this. It's my favorite war to talk about. So many cool stories and interesting people. My family's original homestead is on the banks of the Sandusky River right next to Wyandot county, which was the last Indian reservation in Ohio. I feel such a connection to these stories.
Indians aren't from the continent you live on. These are Native Americans :)
🙏🙏🙏🫡🫡🫡🫡🤘🤘🤘 Stan was my 4th grade teacher
The pages of all people's histories are soaked in blood; from ancient times, right on up to the modern day.
Not nearly as much as Europeans
Tribes are different with language and customs so many tribes didn't get along we see them as the same people but their not that's why tribal wars is something people can't wrap their mind around it was political to gain more land and warriors but they would assimilate the opposing tribe into the dominant ones who won the battle the chief of the enemy tribe would be killed men indentured to servitude until they have assimilated and can be trusted but women and children assimilated immediately they'd marry the women and children adopted brought up to practice that culture customs..... That scot-Irish girl that was ambushed as revenge was assimilated but hee parents and older siblings who couldn't be trusted or assimilated were murdered the older children was killed because they've spent life as a European and couldn't be trusted and would be much harder to assimilate this is how many native American and African tribes operated they had no idea of the barbaric slavery white people practice and developed they just wanted to get rid of the enemy which they could gain protection for their tribe from slave traders so they opted to sell a useless prisoner of war this not for all majority fought off the slave raids its so much i can give on this subject
What surprised the Africans is how ruthless Europeans were they didn't think they kill off entire tribes cause Africans wouldn't wipe out a weaker tribe out they'd give them that mercy so Africans truly weren't prepared for the evil killing machine Europeans a few nations knew better to not underestimate the length an enemy would go to and some nations won and fought back and matched Europeans war tactics and that got them praise like in the hatian revolution Europeans said they've never seen black people fighting so ferociously
@@violetdivinespiritualreadi1824 wrong
@@violetdivinespiritualreadi1824 African tribe mercy please tell us more.
Tecumseh had it right. Imagine if Americans woke up tomorrow morning and realised that no government appointee or electorate past or present could negotiate or vote away, God given individual rights?
It is a privilege to see Dr. David Skaggs -- and hear his opinions -- in this piece. I took every class I could with him when I began my graduate work at Bowling Green State University (American Culture Studies) circa 1986. His passion for American History was contagious and inspired many of us!!!!
General William T. Sherman's father admired Chief Tecumseh so much that he named his son after him.
General Sherman's full name is -- William Tecumseh Sherman.
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There was a dispute over who Tecumseh's mother was, and it has been said he was half white. I was looking up my ancestry and my 7x ggf had a daughter that was married to Pukeshinwa, Tecumseh's father. So if he was half white my ancestor is his mother, and if he's not half white, then she was his step mother. I had no idea ever until last year, and I'm 58, but according to all ancestry websites, Tecumseh has a tie my maternal grandfather, and I am proud of him.
as you should be
Seldom acknowledged is that many of these significant American Indians were mixed blood, that they could communicate with both sides. Being American Indian was to have an American Indian mother.
V Yes. I think his mother was a native American, but there was also a question of which tribe. Muskogee or another,( I can't recall). I always realize that I am also related to both sides (via other relatives of my fathers side) that had been killing each other. I'm hard pressed to explain, much less know how that felt ,in real time while it was happening. Tecumseh's stepmother, my relative, only came to visit home once or twice and then went back to her Indian family. I wish things would have gone better back then, as most people did then, and still do. Thanks for listening. Happy trails.
Shanti Saks : Ancient-American History & Style I'm no troll, I don't make stuff up to make you angry. You made you angry. I looked up an ancestor of MINE on a website named Geni.com said her husband was Pukeshinwa and it listed their children and Tecumseh was one along the others. Alot of the other websites said the sane thing. I think she was his STEPmother, FYI !!
I'm not the one who produced any of the statements made, as fact about Tecumseh's ancestry. I'm just speaking from things I've read.
who cares
I know a guy who is a native American, his mother lives on the reservation. He lives near Gwinn, Michigan. The indians in USA were treated badly in the early part of the 18th century.
I'm surprise that the top comment is from a person who commented 2 days ago even when this was made in 2012.
'Treated badly'? Like the Jews were treated badly by the Nazi's?
@@SireJaxs Perhaps Josh, if your statements were more interesting or enlighting you might get the top spot? keep it up.
@@RichardDevereauxEarlofEssex Alright dude, good to know. Funny you should mention that because every time I get a notification, I immediately comment and sometimes I can top spots.
@@SireJaxs My congratulations, keep up the good work,
The very heavy subtitles block the picture and they don't keep up well with the dialog. Annoying and disappointing!
Hi Perry White. When I downloaded the video to watch later the download did not record the subtitles. I am much happier now that the stupid subtitles are not covering things up. I have never seen such silly BIG subtitles used before.
@Boy Gayfellow that's exactly what I did lol
Re: Tecumseh. Great Warrior? Not so much. At best his tactics were standard "Injun," and he actually only fought/commanded in three battles. One was a brilliant classical ambush (Brownstown), one he fought hard, but has his a## handed to him where he took perhaps 1/3 casualties despite at least matching, but probably outnumbering his opponent (Monguagon). His last being total and utter defeat. As for his "Confederation" it was mostly a loose conglomeration of co-belligerents. One of the myths is that it was Procter's retreat from Malden that broke the Confederation. Actually it fell apart before the Battle of Lake Erie, because of internal Indian unhappiness with Tecumseh's leadership. Fought for "his people?" Well Tecumseh's "people" were the Shawnee, and well, they did not hold to well to him, and the Shawnee almost to a man sided with the Americans. Neither was he the leader of the Shawnee...although he made that claim, and that was his desire...(he was actually from a "disinherited" clan whose leadership had passed to other clans after Fallen Timbers and the Treaty of Greenville). Although he did have a more modern view of the good treatment of prisoners (one of the major issues he had with more "traditional" Indians, especially the Pottawatomie), he had no problem and made liberal use of political assassinations for years before the war of any Indian chiefs who gainsaid him, or were "pro-American." Tecumseh was great in many ways, but he was no saint, and barely competent, but would as Richard Johnson would later remark, made a good politician (in Washington, or even London).
I was just going to say, William Harrison destroyed him in every way, while others caved and folded, Harrison wrecked that ass.
whiteman speak with forked tongue
USA: "It's our Manifest Destiny to invade Canada and reach the Arctic"
The British: "Nope"
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USA: “let’s meet in Alaska to discuss”
Blood and Soil. Let it go my friends. There is no point in it. It is like holding a burning ember in a closed fist. it will only ever hurt. Drop it and move on towards your end. Your end that will come. Do not be used once again by devils that only grope for more. And remember, Where ever you go, There you are ;)
Yeah....I see now. You're right. There I are, just like you said. I can see me. :0)
I guess the World should have just accepted the Nazis or the Irish the English? Painful but progressive, right? If anyone deserves reparations it is the true Americans who took the land only from each other on occasion.
B Doon I think you missed the point.
Tecumseh was a great warrior, great mind and he has hearth for his people he stand for, fearless human being who give his life away in order to keep hope of freedom ...
Yeah I love learning about him! I live in a small town in Ontario Canada there's signs and stuff put up around here because Chief Tecumseh passed through here and also the underground railroad did to!
To bad the fire water got him .
plutoniusis he is part of my family..!
@Marrowbones The reason he leaned a bit more toward the cause of his own people and not a champion of white people was because the white people had a LOT more land everywhere else in America BUT where Tecumseh was.
He was pissed they wanted his people's land also. He only fought for his own land, which of course made sense to him.
@Marrowbones How would you not believe his desire to fight the white people was not a result of the white people's manifest destiny creedos that took the native Americans' land. He didn't fight with other NAs, he united them.
At the of The War Of 1812, there were no winners
However, there was a loser.
One of he greatest shames,, and the greatest sorrows, of the history of the americas, so oft repeated, before, and since.
Better to go then than to keep struggling on until today on some reservation.
@Richard Dixon nope
Only human empathy, morality and ethics.
You, on the other hand, must be a highly vocal proponent of hitlers *"final solution"*
A racist sociopath, so to speak.
@@7316bobe Or...England, France, and the U.S. could NOT have been genocidal liars
@Richard Dixon so,
for curiosity's sake,
is it just Natives?
Or *All* non- caucasians?
Do you direct intolerance towards different religious beliefs too?
@Richard Dixon
And, how does one manage to *earn"* Morality?
Superior or otherwise?
Tecumseh knew that all the Indians had to all be in agreement or what had happened in his childhood would happen again. The Shawnee land was given away by treaty by another group of Indians with a mark on a piece of paper. Never again could the Shawnee regain that land, or even set foot in it …which another tribe gave away without even asking!
Chief Tecumseh was correct they were willing to share the land but not to sell because the Natives at the time did not sell anything because everything was shared no one tribe owned any land.
Uh, no. The bought and sold (what was used as currency is another matter) goods just like anyone else, and had adapted pretty strongly to "White" trade goods. That was what the whole "Lets get back to nature" movement at the time was all about to begin with.
God I love UA-cam. There is so much info on here and you don’t even half to read.
Then again, you *have* to read in order to be literate.
@@tracishea5053 Those who "half to read" read only odd or even numbered pages...save time that way.
@@conveyor2 😆
ja j we’re all a little bit dumber for reading this haha 😂
Or half to smell either
I llive on the wabsah river. In vincennes about. 1/2 mile for Harrison's house
I can't speak for the North, but the Indians in the southeast region of America are what people called black people/ African-Americans.
Who did Tecumseh’s people conquer and take the land from?
Oh, shut up.
WJR III thats a great response you are so intelligent
Confederation meaning a diplomatic linking of tribes or peoples, granted they did fight wars but never took land mostly property and slaves mostly women. Your point has zero merit, the native americans didnt not have the same views of empire or land ownership that the europeans did. If you listened to the first 5 minutes of this video you would have heard his view on land ownership and sale
They stole their land from other Indian Tribes, and so on...
@@scottmallender2104
As well as Clovis man
The pipe tomahawk that Henry Proctor presented to Tecumseh as a gift actually still survives in a museum, and you can look it up. It's in amazing condition because it was only a short time later that Tecumseh was killed at the Battle of the Thames, so it didn't see much use at all. It's a beautiful weapon!
What I wouldn't give to hop into a time machine and go explore the past.
Of course I'd stop by Woodstock in 1969, The Grassy Knoll in Dallas in 1963, but then I'd eventually make my way towards the early days of this country.
I just imagine the giant trees, stunning scenery, fresh air, and people with more charm and character than we can even imagine today.
Every book was precious, every article of clothing was hand made, and every meal you ate was well-earned.
I imagine the peaceful dirt roads long before noisy gas engines would forever drown out the simple sounds of nature, daily tasks, and neighborly conversation.
Braddock E. Hutton
What about visiting Waterloo , because we all know you won that for us English, ...no ! ...l had forgotten,..Mind you it's ONLY a matter of time when you start claiming that....you did it with ww1...from late Jun 1918 after only 6 months in action on the fronts were the Germans were utterly defeated and asset destroyed,...... Stolen Valor ,..now you know were that word originated from
English Mik
@@michaelpalmer937 I suggest you look up where "were" originated.
David Walmsley
Yes ....'so what's the thrust of your argument ????
I also drift away at times and imagine myself in the time period of the history I’m learning about. If only we could return for a short period of time, it would be so cool.
And then you’d die at 16 from diarrhea
Grandfather ran for 3 miles saving his life & reconnecting with other militia soldiers
In Chillicothe Ohio they have the outdoor drama Tecumseh if you're that way that's a great great show
A'ho brothers and sisters
yeah it's actually pretty badass
The major problem with this is the majority of historians shown were leftists with agendas. Notable is the young Douglas Brinkley, now a well known Democrat Party intellectual hack with little credibility except among his fellow true believers. Would have been better with some more neutral historians, except that this was a PBS product.
For those who want a more accurate discussion of the 1790's that introduce this documentary, look up General David Palmer's "1794" published in the 1990's. Palmer is a great historian and shows how amazing Wayne's victory at Fallen Timbers was. Evey previous American Army engaged in securing this territory, granted by the Treaty of Paris which ended the Revolution in 1783 to the newly United States, had been badly defeated and massacred. The actual effective American frontier was in Pennsylvania.
I am sorry for the pain you endure.
So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart
Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours
Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people. Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide.
Chief Tecumseh
Eddythebeast666 now that would be great advice to everyone now days
stand in awe of the burden and hardship that others carry or sit in judgment of how well that load is carried witch path brings you closer to spirit or family or anything good
@@andrewmoll7366 Sure... or Allah Or Buddha or any of the other 3000 gods humanity worship... Its still a good idea to lead a worthy life... If Your God offers you a Be a scum bag with out consequences card, probably a scum bag of a god...
Thanks, but Tecumseh was never a chief but a warrior.
@@gpwcowboy Correct... I just Copy/pasta the thing... There are questions as to him ever saying it as well... History often gets embellished but in this case I think it fits. Native Traditions often do so like the Blue glow reported from the edge of his sword...
Family tradition.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Richardson_(author)
LONG LIVE KANATA ( CANADA) TECUMSEH WAS THE MAIN REASON WE AS CANADIANS DEFEATED THE YANKEES.
How? He was killed during the war and second their was no Canada.
A myth that has been passed on, and many people still believes. Tecumseh loved the Wabash and Tippecanoe river basin very much. As the myth goes, Tecumseh said a prayer to protect the area that he loved. Therefore no tornadoes will damage the Area. The city of Lafayette is in the Wabash river valley.
The myth must be wrong because the city of Lafayette, Indiana has had a few Tornadoes. Luckily no real major damage or deaths occurred.
He was saying the prayer for his people....since they no longer control the area; perhaps the prayer lost its power
maybe the fact nobody died was the point?
The blessing does not continue for the people who stole the land, and who murdered the people who were actually from the land
Imagine if Indian sailors came to the Americas and labelled the locals as Italians... TO THIS DAY. It's ridiculous that the term "Indians" is used time and time again in this video to describe people who are NOT FROM INDIA. In Canada, the word Indians has long gone back to its original definition for real Indians of South Asia, where words like Indigenous, Native Americans, First Nations, and Aboriginals are the words still used. It's time for people like the idiotic narrator here to correct the centuries-old mistake when uneducated sailors mistakenly mixed up the Americas and India!
I remember this subject in both High School and College.
I kept taking History as an elective and when reviewing my credits for my last semester and prepping for graduation, Dr Guy, my Advisor was like, "Well look at you, ya got enough History credits for a Minor!"
We both lol, neither of us expecting that at all.
Majors: Journalism, Sociology
Minor: History
Now, After it again, Ancient History - through Yale University.
Exceptional Professor.
Exceptional experience.
Never stop Learning.
I'm 58.
*Well, lookie at you*
That’s cool Beth ... You seem interesting
@@punkrockredneck5563
History is interesting, in this subject, I'm another Student. But we each do have our uniqueness.
Best Wellbeing
@@acgillespie
...and also you
@@bethbartlett5692 I totally agree with my 8th grade education 🏴☠️😁
If the Americans had not attacked Canada it would have merged with the US as 1/3 of its inhabitants had family in the US.
Canadians are L-U-C-K-Y!
Lucky People!!!
@@bethbartlett5692 And the British were lucky to have you in the Commonwealth and your support in two world wars , Thanks from England.
USA never wanted SUCK A$$ Canada and Canada is still Britain's B!TCH.
They are “not Indians” they are natives
Nomenclature doesn't matter I'm the context of this video.
Only to Guilty Whites. Most "Natives" prefer to be called "Indians," over "Native Americans." Tribal/National names are the most preferred...don't know why.
1812... The year the bankers got revenge
Please explain. I’m interested. Or could you recommend a book or web site.
But the US still failed, miserably, to annex Canada.
Fascinating and once again the losers were the native American peoples. British imperialism and American thirst for other people's land . What a waste of life. at least British had abolished the slave trade by this time , but took them unitl 1840 to bring this criminality to a final end. Little redress after such a disgusting criminal trade in human beings largely dominated by the British as a whole , and abbetted by so many prominent Scottish business people. Canada has come forth as a country of human rights and dignity , having refused to support the US/ British 2nd war in Iraq, that has made the middle east such a humanitarian distaster. The Canadians were first in for the fight against pan German military dictatorship in WW1 and the fight against Hitlerism in WW2. Respect for Canadians and native Americans from a bereft 60%+ EU remain London
It’s very simple it’s “ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT THE LAND & STILL IS TODAY”...
This comment is on the money. In North america it still goes on. ever since the first land developer got the first American (Native american) drunk and had him make his mark on some paper he did not understand.Unfortunately developers continue to rape the land for profit. Some places like California sadder than others that so much natural beauty is now cookie-cutter housing, highways, strip centers, fast-food restaurants, etc. No woder Europeans look down on us.
@Doug Bevins : Is that your mouth or an anus? I can't tell the difference there's so much BS spewing from it.
to our shame , yes.
@Doug Bevins Not all Empires, We just changed ours to The Commonwealth, the Queen is still head of state of the Second Largest country in the world and an entire continent (Australasia) and 50 odd other countries and Dependencies around the world.
Coming from First Nation Native of Canada of Treaty 8 which were sign in 1899 and still standing, naw it’s America’s fault by lying in the first place. Guess the real bad guys were the blue coats not the red coats. Kinda hard looking at red coats as bad guys knowing Canada still has treaties with indigenous people of Canada, now can America say the same?!?
They are natives they are not “Indians”
“ When I hear the mournful sound Sometimes in the water; sometimes in the fire”
Hi there.. how are you doing? Hope you’re fine and staying safe?
Good documentary but it is a little tainted by American bias. That's history for you tho.
History is written by the victors. So they say. :)
@@philipwilliams7947 you picked a bad example for that reference lol. As far as i can tell you don't win as many wars as u think but American history never admits when they lose anything
@@aprylvanryn5898 Naw. Its not a bad example. They arent here now are they? And, of the Barbary pirates, we got tired of them and soundly defeated them so as not to have to pay ransom to keep them from attacking our ships. You might want to dig a little deeper, than you seem to. I can tell you are an American hating liberal, just by the way you post things. :P You cant hide.
@@philipwilliams7947 i don't hate Americans anymore than i hate anyone else. What do you want me to dig into? Its a fact that the only war u won on ur own as a country is the one with Britain but ur history books all glaze over every failure the United States ever had.
@@aprylvanryn5898 Actually it doesnt 'glaze over' anything. or at least it didnt used to. I dont know what they teach these days, but I know the democrat liberals are ripping things out of the curriculum. We didnt win the war of independence on our own, because we were 'new'. Thanks to France. Failure in what way, may I ask? Our only 'failures' were the wars we half assed. If we went full bore, we wouldnt lose. End of story. Europe would be speaking German if it werent for the U.S. by the way. A little pay back for France helping us out in the revolution. The U.S. was the counter to USSR for many years. A few 'failures' here and there still do not taint the excellent record of the United States. You can hate all you want, but does not take away the fact the United States is the greatest country on the planet that has ever been. Its influence transcends all.
the native of this land are copper tone, not pale faces.
Tell that to the Inuit
The real question not addressed by this film is what were Tecumseh's pronouns.
Canada still essentially won the war of 1812, United States lost. I agree if Brock had lived things would've been different. Don't forget the Queenston Heights memorial to Brock
You need to read more
United States invaded Canada and had their butts kicked back home without gaining any land. Canada wins.
Canada won, but if the US had lost, the Old Northwest would have become a British protectorate and would probably be either part of or associated with Canada today; and the westward expansion of the US would have been slowed if not stopped. What if the British had taken and kept New Orleans, thus taking control of the lower Mississippi? Would the British have let the US keep the Louisiana Purchase, and even if so, would it have been able to hold most of it? Regardless, the course of US history would have been changed drastically. That is assuming that the British didn't decide to demand the breakup of the US as punishment for starting the war (which we did, though there was certainly provocation on the British side).
The only clear losers in this fight were the Indians, and for them, the outcome of the war was catastrophic.
@@johnries5593 Yeah, it would be more civilized!
@@johnries5593 You state provocation from Britain? I guess you mean the Impressment of sailors into the Royal Navy?..That will not hold water,the French the Spanish the Portuegese were also impressing sailors from the US.Your attack on Canada is based on a lie using impressment as an excuse.Why didnt your congress also go to war on the other countries,why just Britain?Because you Anglophile haters wanted us out of N.America..no other reason.
Expansion.....hmmm, isn't that what Putin's doin right now? Hmmmm
The Canadian War
For Canadians, the War of 1812 was the successful defence of a small colony against attack by a much larger neighbour.
The vast majority of British forces were in Canada. The invasion wasn't to conquer but to confront their opponent and to occupy territory that at a future date could be negotiated in a peace treaty
@ Invade and capture Canada to occupy territory that at a future date could be negotiated in a peace treaty, that's what countries do when they are at war. Most likely they wanted to free Canada from domination by the British with the goal of turning into states that would voluntarily join the US union or become an independent nation.
Historians David and Jeanne Heidler argue that "most historians agree that the War of 1812 was not caused by expansionism but instead reflected a real concern of American patriots to defend United States' neutral rights from the overbearing tyranny of the British Navy. In addition, eliminating the British presence in Canada would best accomplish British support for Indian raids."
So lighten up Francis.
PS. Why would anyone want to capture and occupy Canada anyway except if you were at war. Frozen wasteland.
@@robcochran6213 British forces in Canada were minimal; most of their forces were occupied with Mr. Bonaparte....
@@mikeaylward4521 Of course the majority of British forces on the planet at that time were engaged with the French, my reference is to British forces fighting against the US forces in North American
@@robcochran6213 No, it was just an attempted annexation. Unprovoked and unjustified.
" Did not the Great Creator make it all for his children???" Ha! Tell an elite that
Interesting documentary but the music when used is a bit over powering and at times irritating.
Tam. Woodwind is killing me
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First of all the racist arrogance that Natives had no right to exist as free independent people is outrageous to see presented as legitimate in a 21st century documentary.
Blaming Britain for conflicts created by that atitudue is even worse.
This documentary makes it very hard to see the forest for the trees. Historical reasons, factors and consequences are completely buried in a running narrative of battles. Even the role of the Indians. And it's impossible to stay awake into the bargain.
And - wait! Both the naval battle at teh fort in Baltimore, and the Battle of New Orleans, not to mention sequelae for the country's growth and so forth, are COMPLETELY left off. ????!!!!!??????
Because it’s about the war in the Northwest 🙄
They give Tecumseh too much credit. He thought he had the right to tell "lesser tribes" who they could make treaties, and land deals with. He was truly only concerned about his own tribe, and knew he could never face the Americans on his own. So under the guise of unity he encouraged other tribes to fight the Americans. Another thing they didn't get too much into is his brother. After his great defeat other tribes wanted to kill him because they saw him as a fake prophet. Tecumseh saved him from being killed, but at the cost of other tribes braking away. Tecumseh only really cared about his tribe.
Yup and he built Prophetown on Miamis ground which was a big no no
And this is a problem Why ?
@@jamesmcnally886 it's not really. Instead of unity, and coordinated cohesive action they were divided and conquered like all the others. Like I said he gets too much credit. He lead his nation to defeat in nearly all the same way all other tribes were conquered. By themselves.
The plain truth is Tecumseh was simply an all-around jerk. Nothing more. Nothing less. Hopefully, in the last few minutes before his death, he realized what a jerk he was. ;)
@Jason Brown Get back under your woodpile, you Godless cannibal, you! ;)
In now Hamilton Ontario are the remnants of the original 1813 Burlington Heights earthworks. There is a smaller Plaque: From here on 07 June, 1813, 700 Regular, Militia and Indigenous in the night attacked the 3,500 American troops in their night camp at Stoney Creek. After the rought the American Army were chased back to Niagara.
FIRST True heroes?????? I think not!!! God Bless Native America!
"god bless Native America" smh
The Navajo helped us win the war, the code talkers
The deadly embrace of European technology and the trading posts by Indian tribes is rarely talked about. Indians would compete for trading posts because a tribe that had access to tomahawks and guns had an advantage over tribes using traditional tools and weapons. The British were favored over the French often because the British tomahawks also had a pipe bowl so Indians could use it as a calumet, or ceremonial pipe.
Trading posts created a dependency relationship with the trader and the country behind it. Those tribes would come under the influence of that country. So, in the French & Indian War, both Britain and France got various Indian tribes to fight for them. The Pottawatomie of Chicago area fought for the French and defeated the Iroquois a number of times.
The tragedy for the Indians was that change was coming too fast, and too profoundly for them to adapt.
In reading history, there was honor and deceit on both sides. But, one thing was clear - the inexorable march of technology that changed the Europeans, and the nature of their engagement with the Indians.
The old Indian cultures had no chance, just as the old Celtic and Germanic cultures of Europe had no chance.
Nah...the Indians preferred the Brits rather than the French because they got
used to sipping tea with their Brit buddies every day at 4 PM. :0)
Nor did the Indigenous People of America stand a chance.
Craig Dillon Cortez was able to get tribes to ally with them against the Aztecs.
Gary Daniel that don’t make sense. Prove it, sight your sources
Craig Dillon shhh youre not allowed to talk about these things....history is simple, black and white, there’s no nuance
If not for the War of 1812, we wouldn’t have hockey, Geddy Lee or maple syrup!
sort of accurate, my people however were making maple syrup long before Europeans showed up, so that is safe lol
Skipped right over the fact that America technically lost that war when it sign the Treaty of Ghent. In which Britain would keep all land as before. Meaning Britain successfully defended its boarder. 👍😂
L COLE. Actually it was a bit worse than that.
America started the war because it thought it could gain land easily from what is now Canada. It always coveted the idea; and with England dealing with Napoleon it seemed fairly straightforward.
But instead of the Americans taking bits of Upper and Lower Canada it was only the British who gained land.
So with the treaty which required everything to revert to how it was before the war, it was only the British who had to hand back land they hadn’t wanted in the first place. And the Americans had nothing to hand back! Somewhat ironic.
It’s also true that some of the most determined defenders of York (now Toronto) where citizens of America.
Well we can’t win every war. But at least we own the whole United States from sea to shining sea 🌊
And mostly every treaty accepted by the US is conditional. Meaning we had a strong position for negotiations and never surrendered.
That would be true if that was correct, the US goal was never to take Canada even as this video states the goal of britain was to take land off them. Doesn’t seem like it was the USA that lost.
A fair account of the war of 1812 thank you from England but just one downer why can`t Americans say British and always say Bridish ?
What’s wrong with it?
Named my dog Tecumseh's Sherman, great man against impossible odds!
You named your dog Tecumseh's Sherman? So who did you name him after, Tecumseh or Sherman?
@@deerobinson557 William Tecumsh Sherman was the Generals name...my dog was named after both of them!
@@louiserose2609 Please I'm Shawnee, I asked because evidentially you named your dog after Sherman, Tecumseh's Sherman.
Sherman was a monster, so fitting to name a dog after him.
@@deerobinson557 I'm part Apache.
Attaboy my great great uncle hull my middle name is named after him!
Battle of Fort Wm Henry Harrison, Pigeon Roost Massacre, Spurs Defeat weren't even mentioned.
Let's face it, they were very small in comparison to things like Detroit, Prophetstown, Fort Miegs, etc., etc. While I enjoy the obscure, and have visited Pigeon Roost, these are not large battles, and hence not that sexy.
At the Battle of Fort Wm Henry Harrison you have the beginnings of the "making of a president" that being Zachary Taylor. He gets a promotion out of the deal. Julia Lambert offers her self to be lowered in a well in the middle of the night get more water to keep the fort from burning down. I'm sorry that didn't mentioned either.
Not disagreeing with you...just not sexy enough for a one hour program. :)
If you want interested in going the "sexy route." Then why not tell about Fort Petticoat. Yes there was a women's fort. The fort and area had been abandon by the men in northern Knox County, IN therefore the women took over. There are lots of "sexy" women that could pose as the "forgotten protectors of the Indiana frontier." Also on the far eastern portion women and old men protected the area where the soldiers and militia's went to Ohio and Harrison asked them "who was protecting Indiana?" The women and old men were. So he sent them back to eastern Indiana. During that interim it was a women, boys and old men territory. There is a church build in 1812 in eastern Indiana that is still there, that had/has port holes on the second floor.
Sexy to viewers, not meaning necessarily women, just "sexy" topics. :)
The Prophet was just a figurehead for Tecumseh. Tecumseh was the one having the visions and instructing the Prophet what to do. The Prophet was a legend in his own mind. His not listening to his brother Tecumseh was why they lost.
Bullshit
Tecumseh was one of the greatest leaders and men of all time. Tecumseh challenged Harrison to a contest of champions between them but Harrison refused; Harrison could not have taken Tecumseh man to man.
There is a time to fall back. You can lose most of the battles but still win the war.
@@JStryker7 you are high. If you loose most of the battles, you loose the war. You may gain after a treaty is signed but thats only because the winner allows you to gain.
@@christopher480 you really need fo learn your history
@Jim Hope And were responsible for every massacre and atrocity committed there.Americans account of "Winning" every battle is to have the highest body count....not hard when your fighting guys in their pyjamas.
Can you imagine? Hand to hand combat between Tecumseh and Harrison. Winner take all the land west of the Allegany mountains. I'd roll everything on Tecumseh.
Let's pray for them and all people
Hi there.. how are you doing? Hope you’re fine and staying safe?
They ought to be given their land back, in addition to financial reparations.
I love the name Tecumseh.
hes a Gangster
You should come to Chillicothe OH and see the Outdoor Drama, "Tecumseh!"..
Me to > William Tecumseh Sherman .
@@QuantumRift what?! Based on THIS guy? I'm not far away n would love to check that out!
@@carolyn9andthecats653 Yes, it's awesome. I've seen it a couple of times. tecumsehdrama.com/
There are amazing amounts of existing and current racism towards white people from "Natives" in this video. Not all of us white people are British. Racism isn't limited to white people. I get very upset by this constant double standard, as not all white people have had great treatment either.
Harrison would make such a good villain if portrayed in a modern movie.
Tecumseh is my family on my mother side Shawnee family
A mighty unifier. I hope one i day i to am able to liberate the people
A great man and warrior.Most people don’t know that a Polaris submarine was named for him,USS TECUMSEH.
We used to sled down the hills at fort meigs, i don't think it's allowed anymore
I believe it is. My brother goes back to Toledo to see his grandkids and I think he has mentioned going there to sled.
Do you remember when the fort wasn't there? Before they rebuilt it?
Not sure. 2001 was probably the last time i was there
@@SmewthePew I was referring to the 1970's when they rebuilt the fort into basically what it is today. Before that I think it was just a park with playground equipment and BBQ grills, if memory serves me.
Oh i see, i started sledding there in early to mid eighties
Great video. Gives us information that very few of us ever learned.
Glad you enjoyed it!
The war of 1812 had a lot to do with the ambition to seize Canada. In that imperialist dream the USA was frustrated.
No it didn't. Your history teacher failed you.
Wanatan the charger the Dakota hunkpati sioux war chief. Who fought in the war of 1812 he was wounded nine times during the fighting. The also aided the British during the war. Wanatan has a US War ship named after him.
How can you call them heroes when they stole the land?
And who did Cherokee steal it from, Shawnee? They killed each other no matter the tribe when they crossed paths. US showed them civility, most groups of people who lose wars are decimated. You should see what the spanish did to the Native Mexicans.
Interesting how replies are removed
They were all savages and we treated them pretty good considering the slaughter they brought upon innocent settlers. If they didnt think you should own land, why would they kill any strangers who crossed them? Who gave it to them to govern? Geeeeze...
You are smart as they come. Too bad the rest of the sheep are not capable of critical thinking. When American's steal , plunder pillage and rape it's called conquering. If I do it, I go to jail for a multitude of crimes.
You are smart as they come. Too bad the rest of the sheep are not capable of critical thinking. When American's steal , plunder pillage and rape it's called conquering. If I do it, I go to jail for a multitude of crimes.
@@ALittleOG Americans stole land from people who didn't agree with their way of thinking, 50,000 people had their lands confiscated and kicked out of the country because they opposed separating from England. My ancestors were born in Pennsylvania, 5 generations of the family lived in what is now USA, arriving in 1632. But they didn't want war with England. Too bad, get out of the country and we take your land. They escaped with their lives to Canada. They were called Tories, simply because they didn't swear oaths of allegiance to the Committee of Safety because swearing oaths was against their religion. Life, liberty and the pursuit of who's happiness? Not theirs. The USA is based on lies. All men are created equal? Bull $@#%, explain slaves if all men are created equal. Explain taking lands when there were treaties with the natives not to cross the Ohio river? Money and property is what USA is built on.
It Never Surprises me when American History says "They" are Always right and Everyone else is Wrong! 😱
As they often do.
William Henry Harrison was quite a hero and also quite a dad still fathering children into his early 70s I believe -
That's John Tyler, his VP/successor
Harrison died at 69, so no. And while he did sire ten children, his youngest was born in 1817 when he was in his 40s.
I think Tecumseh did have a point about Procter. His withdrawal was hardly heroic and may well have given the Americans the victory in the Northwest theater.
Hello John , how are you doing today
It is likely that Procter was suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder.
Now the case I mentioned was specific
We were brutal because as we saw it we had to be
All you have offered are vague generalities. Which with out specific reference I can't answer. You judge all natives by the worse acts of a few with out any context as to why they happened.
Was US expansion forced upon your people because you were displaced by wars with stronger tribes? Did famine & pestilence drive you to seek new lands?
Or did it happen because your people felt entitled to take Native lands?
Eddythebeast666 Actually, yes they did come from overpopulated and famine lands. Please remember that there are no native lands. All peoples came from somewhere else. Being there first only works if five and you claim the front seat....unless someone bigger than you wants it
It because we didn't give a fuck. Just being honest.
seriously the first white to come over didn't risk what was the most dangerous journey in the world just take land they were escaping persecution and tyranny. had the natives not sided with the British in the war life would be very different. I'm not saying it's right how it played out but there was wrongs on both sides and now 200 years later we all our stuck on this continent it's time to stop living in the past and work together for a better future for America as a whole!
@@mrs.schmenkman You kind of slide around the point. If you want to claim "Might makes right" then do so & be done with it...
Claiming European Civilization was overpopulated & starving is not true.. Most European Famines were caused by the stratified political system there... Ship loads of food were shipped from Ireland as people starved to death... It was NOT a Natural disaster, even the crop dependency was a structured policy... Natives planted many different kinds of potatoes to avoid such failures...
There was no moral justification for Colonization... It was funded as an economic investment...
First to establish a claim is the bases for all forms of possession.... no one can own anything with out some one first setting in an area using local resources to build a sustainable life... Not just human beings but all life... Buffalo can't exist with out a broad rage of habitat... They don't need a title recognized in the courts only acknowledgment that they were here when we go here.. They are NATIVE.
You can't shift blame to the Buffalo for displacing Mammoths... They didn't build fleets of ships & launch armed invasions....
@@garygubersob3989 Escaping persecution and tyranny BY OTHER WHITES & then inflicting those same horrors upon all you encountered... You Brought the very thing you fled with you... because it was your nature of your society..
Those whites that went Native joining the tribes were welcome... They greatly improved our lives... First trading European manufactured goods, then establishing industries... Blacksmithing, miners
Claiming European Civilization was overpopulated & starving is not true.. Most European Famines were caused by the stratified political system there... Ship loads of food were shipped from Ireland as people starved to death... It was NOT a Natural disaster, even the crop dependency was a structured policy... Natives planted many different kinds of potatoes to avoid such failures...
There was no moral justification for Colonization... It was funded as an economic investment...
First to establish a claim is the bases for all forms of possession.... no one can own anything with out some one first setting in an area using local resources to build a sustainable life... Not just human beings but all life... Buffalo can't exist with out a broad rage of habitat... They don't need a title recognized in the courts only acknowledgment that they were here when we go here.. They are NATIVE.
You can't shift blame to the Buffalo for displacing Mammoths... They didn't build fleets of ships & launch armed invasions....
There is no future for any of us... The elites have a plan for us... "We will own Nothing & be happy"... No Middle class for generation Z...they will never own homes.... Everything wrong with Europe has come here...
Read The Frontiersman, by Allan W. Eckert. You are welcome.
And "a sorrow in our hearts" life of Tecumseh.
I wish to learn the truth. I had read a book where the Author, who even listed his resources. This author claims that Tecumseh was a war Chief only. It claimed the Prophet was the chief over the tribe. According to the author Harrison was more concerned with the Prophet. Also according to this author a small group of Huron rode close to the encampment of Harrison. Some of Harrison’s men fired killing a few of the Huron. The Huron went back to Prophets town and reported the incident. The Prophet wanted to wait and not attack. Supposedly he Huron raised enough hell, that the attack in the early morning hours. Also according to the author Prophets town was burnt twice. The author said the Prophet with a small group set up a camp along the wildcat creek. I live in Tippecanoe County within a few miles from the battlefield site. There is now a state park in the immediate area of the battlefield.
Tecumseh was a part of the sect of the Shawnee tribe who were only warriors and were not eligible to be a chief.
Harrison was much more concerned about Tecumseh and the authority he had. Harrison knew that the Prophet was more vulnerable and took that advantage while Tecumseh was far away in the south seeking more allies.
@@stanpratt6546 Harrison's (and pretty much every other American) correspondence says the opposite, and WHH does not really start worrying about T. until well into 1813. After Tippecanoe he was much more focused (obsessed with) what he saw as the betrayal of the Miami. Hence the expeditions against their towns after the relief of Fort Wayne and the Mississinewa in 1812
@@stanpratt6546 I could be wrong, but his clan traditionally held the leadership of the tribe until the Treaty of Greeneville (or about that time), but the Shawnee had been decimated in numbers and their were some amalgamations with the leadership passing to the medicine clan, and thus Black Hoof. I really should look this up to be certain, though BH was the principal chief (or "King" as the British put it) of the Shawnee, and they most decidedly came in on the American side during the war. T & BH hated one another btw.
@@stanpratt6546 Now that's funny, tell us more old wise moron.
Tecumsah Natives
"Panther In the Sky"
Sinnanatha was a first cousin to me, this could be why I have always had strong feeling toward the native Americans.
Panther passing across is the correct term
My family has iroquois blood!
treaties never seem to honored .....ever
Mawmee river great walleye fishing
"The war in 1812 was fought in 1812." J.J. Evan's teacher
so far they haven't even us burning Washington
It was also originally heard of in 1812.... 🤣🤣😋😋
Fighting against The British
As a Brit who loves American history and has travelled widely in the US and Canada I find it fascinating how a nations historic myths develop over the years to become "fact". To Americans the war of 1812 wins the North West for the USA defeating the tyrannical Brits and their Native American Allies. To the Brits the war is a footnote to the Napoleonic Wars which really was a battle for survival against a real tyranny who wanted to conquer Europe. To the Canadians, the resistance by the very few British regulars, Canadians and Native Americans prevented the land hungry US from conquering what is now Canada and adding that vast territory to their own empire.
Yes that’s very true as an American who’s fiancée is British and my daughters the same goes in Europe too.
The revolutionaries broke the treaties that the Brits had made with the natives. Many natives moved into Canada after where the Brits granted them land.
It all revolves around Britain and the people that longed to be free from Britain and its dominance on the citizens freedoms.Especially religious freedoms.
To the Americans, it showed that the Native tribes couldn't be trusted & that living together wasn't going to happen.
I certainly hope William Harrison is mentioned, he was vital in defeating Tecumseh.
His respect for his opponents is why he survived, his men slept on their Rifles with fixed Bayonets. They were attacked @ 5am.(early on)
We struggled as a nation. But we learn, then forget,relearn & repeat.
American=
53%British
32%Scottish
12% Welsh
1% German
2%Basque.
I am proud my Heritage is of the British Isles, when you think of the Amazing men with the Courage to sail off into the unknown and face it is why Western Civilization exists, when you look at a map, see the size of those Islands.
its even more impressive.
It's just dandy how you 'love American history' so much that you can force yourself to do very little but criticize it,' bravo ol' chum.
People then are responsible, I wasn’t born yet and I’m responsible for what I do
The Spanish And Portuguese were much harsher on Amerindians then French, British, German, And Dutch
Two wrongs don’t make a right.
That's a lie, they mixed.
without the conquistadors decimating native populations across the american plains, how different would history be? and the spanish were pure opportunists based on greed. later europeans were at least escaping their own tyranny and looking for a better life.
Ah, no.
The Dutch were okay until the NAs disagreed with them and then the Dutch only penchant came out...greed for money and so they slaughtered NAs. Trump Dutch ...no?
Kentucky and the Ohio River
Tecumsah natives of Kentucky
Tecumsheh fought the Yanks because he trusted Brock ,
He had no choice.it was either that or give up his couse.
Brock was a brilliant, brave man and officer. There's a university in Canada named after him.
Hull was a disgrace he outnumbered the enemy and was fortified and gave up the fort . I would have told the British to bring it
The desendents can still kick _ss!
He also gave up the Territory. Emotionally, I think the sentence of his court martial should have been carried out, but his living led to more sources to recreate those events. In fact, I would say the surrender of Detroit is probably the best documented event of the War of 1812.
Hull promised liberty to Canadians whilst threatening to kill any British soldier he found fighting alongside Native Americans. I take it as a threat that he would not have taken prisoners had he been victorious.
we have a Prophetstown in Illinois :)
Prophetstown in Illinois is named for Whitecloud a respected prophet that may have betrayed Blackhawk when he asked him to come to Prophetstown from the Mississippi.
Amazing how Colonial America thought they were promised rights to expand into the NW Territory. I do believe there was something written into the Treaty of Ghant concerning the Sovereignty of the Native Americans, but they were excluded from the Treaty. William Harrison admired Tecumseh, but the emerging Colonial Nation of the USA desired the Territory regardless of the various Tribes. This War is very much overlooked and forgotten by many US Citizens. Although the British burned Washington, D.C., were very successful in the Central Atlantic States and dominated the High Sea, the Success of the US Naval Forces on the Great Lakes bordering Canada played a vital role in negotiations favoring the USA. Good documentary. Thank you. Watch & Enjoy.
Where are you from?
@@TheIceman567 Besides my mother's womb (Joke), I was born and raised in New England. Why?
@@benjaminrush4443 just asking
They forced the natives off of their land through coercive treaties and broke those that weren't.
@@Spindacre Yes, some of the poorest settlements in America - USA - today are where Native Americans live now.
Tecumseh died in the Battle of the Thames. His body was never found after the Battle.
Depending on whom you believe. There really is no way of knowing.
You mean Native Americans?
This land's not your land, this land is my land, from California to the New York Island. It's all bloody sad.