Modern Avionics In Bush Planes - Overkill???
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- Опубліковано 25 вер 2024
- In spirit of Garmin's Virtual Airventure Oshkosh 2020 I decided it would be fun to take you guys along for a little off-field fun and while doing so have a little chat about how I utilize my Garmin G3X system in the back country environment.
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“...there were a few little birds on the runway”. Trent already at 800 ft... “roger that”
I have watched hundreds of flight videos and never have I had a clearer picture of the flight avionics. Well done and very clear.
@@johnd5805 Controls rpm of the engine and prop pitch all in one. Just a fine tune. Easier than pushing and pulling all the time.
@@johnd5805 Look up MacFarlane Vernier Throttle.
@@eddieforward5770 thanks Eddie I will
@@johnd5805 the throttle lol
@@allthatremainsx6 thanks you're a genius
After seeing Mikes avionics panel nothing is overkill
I've started a channel where I take trucks up into the mountains and wreck em. Try and make a few people laugh.
Scrappy is full 100% engineering insanity. Though when he said in his original video that he'd be acquiring parts I didn't think he'd go full carbon.
Bush Truck Respect the wilderness. Leave not tracks or trash. It's not a laughing matter. Sorry eh!🇨🇦
Yeahhhh...
SCRAPPY is legit a "FLYING LAMBORGHINI!"
Freedom Fox: “Is a G3X touch overkill in a bush plane?”
Scrappy: “Hold my beer...”
LOL
scrappy .... "hold my delivery truck of beer...." HAHA
That is a brilliant response! HAHAHA!
You've made my day!
😂😂😂 you guys are awesome and totally crack me up
Mike is great because he truly loves everyone who contributes to general aviation.
Jonas Marcinko’s inflight migraine/cluster headache is proof that autopilot with altitude hold is an amazing safety feature! Great content as always Trent!
Jonas is a worry...
@@jb6027 Big time. Needs to take time out to check his attitude to life.
Oof guys, Jonas is a great guy making great content. No need to bash a man you've never met (I'm guessing you haven't met him as if you had, you'd know he's a genuinely nice guy)
Oof guys, Jonas is a great guy making great content. No need to bash a man you've never met (I'm guessing you haven't met him as if you had, you'd know he's a genuinely nice guy)
John Robertson oh I don’t think JB and Kevin meant that in a hostile or bashing way at all!
I love Jonas and his content. Subbed and been following him for long time! Great dude!
But his close calls, and his attitude towards those close calls, plus multiple safety issues in some of his videos, and what other pilots talk about him brings up more of a “worrying concern” rather than any malice or ill will towards him personally!
But this is the ‘bush game’, it’s all about risk management and adventure and everybody has their own opinions on that.. lol
I’m just glad Jonas has his health issue checked out right now and is trying to get to the bottom of it..
I’d like none of these Content Creators to get hurt, much less hurt anybody else in the process..
Whether you’re sitting on the Toilet or Draco himself, things can go sideways real quick!!
Stay Safe everyone and Osh21 🤘🤘
Absolutely the best way to show the qualities of a product. Installed, used to its full advantage with a very smooth delivery. But the best part was the excellent fun flying by a enthusiastic . If you have time have a part 2. Coming into an airport environment, showing circuits, traffic avoidence. Great video.
Mike Patey tries to address every potential problem, great stuff.
You do the Best video Trent!! Thank you so much for letting me fly along. I love the Kit Fox. Your B.A.!!
I learned to fly in a 195, and I was 5’5 or thereabouts. I learned to S turn down the taxiway, because no way could I see over that radial. I love the modern instrumentation. The ease of use compared to folding a sectional on your knee? Just the computational power at your fingertips is incredible, as long as you don’t replace it for good judgement.
I'm 10 minutes in when I realize, I literally have no intention or desire to ever fly a plane. Yet, here I am, nodding along going "wow! Oh, cool."
hahaha
I'm in there with Ricky Flores, exactly. But STOL aviation the way you and the Cowboys do it is very interesting. And I thank you for bringing us along.
We drive by Stead on 395 now and then. We will honk and wave.
I love watching this guy. I'm a brand new pilot and I just love to watch all the adventures he goes on and soon to be me.
Thanks for making me excited for a video 12 days in advance Trent
So...this is one hell of an ad for Garmin! Pilots everywhere are lining up for a Garmin product.
I guess that there are two ways of looking at this subject:- One is that anything that helps a Pilot is worth having. The other is that over reliance on these all singing all dancing panels can lead you into big trouble. Imagine getting struck by lightning and having your gizmos fried. Not good not good at all .The age old skills of using your chart, compass and stopwatch will always be something worth keeping up to date. Stay safe up there. Regards, Jim in NI UK
The 737 Max issues brought out an interesting trend in airline piloting: too many recently trained indigenous Middle Eastern pilots don't really have much experience in how to fly an airplane. A bunch were suspected of cheating on the exams. Like in the two 737 accidents, they were paging through the aircraft manuals when they should have simply turned the trim system off. With the aircraft's nose facing the ground, it's a bad time to get out the books.
Flying an airplane is fundamentally different from playing a video game or selecting a tune on Spotify.
@@jimshaw899 Yep and they even fiddle their English speaking tests. I have heard some Middle Eastern and Asian pilots whose English was atrocious. They of course hogged the frequency whilst the controller tried to ascertain the situation. To add insult to injury I a native born English speaker had to get an Examiner to state that my English was ok. Grrrrrrrrrr! Regards, Jim in NI UK
You are right...and we can put our money into gas and fly a lot...to fly VFR you don´need this type of expensive things....expensive and complicated to maintain...sensitive to humidity ....
Funny... this coming out right after Mike’s Garmin install... which would qualify as a big fat “YES”!
Ya know what ! Use whats available if it's in your power to make it happen . The safer The Better. 😎 peace in the air is always a plus.
I loved this video man! At the end of it I felt like a friend had just taken me along for a casual flight and talked me through everything, one on one. Thank you for taking us along for the ride.
From what I've seen Avionics have moved forward just about like computers...... one week to the next something improves and we move forward, at warp speed too ! ....... Unlike 1978 when I first flew and used VOR's to find my way around........... this stuff is FANTASTIC ! 10 years ago I flew a 172 with no real electronics, two years ago I got a deep emersion in the Garmin Glass panel on the same plane.... the boys at Garmin really have it together and they are just down the block from the house. Thank You Trent and the folks at Garmin too.
Hay Bub, The camera that is over your right shoulder is The Very best for us to see out of ! Thank You Trent!!!!
As a non-pilot, I found this explanation fascinating. Love your channel!
This is a great in-flight explanation of some of Garmins F&Bs. Good one Trent. Thanks for sharing.
What a clean fantastic setup! As simple and straightforward as this unit is, I now fully understand how useful it can be, even in a bush plane. Your presentation is amazing! You laid out a lot of information, and there wasn't a single stutter or and ahh anywhere. As always, great editing, too. I've flown several different cubs, but if I said take me home, they weren't all that smart. I want yours! Thanks.
Wow, I've always joked about a light aircraft having an AOA Indicator and Velocity Vector, but it looks like you have both.
That 3D map is awesome too. That definitely makes IFR a little more easygoing.
I still remember when he had an iPad mounted in his panel with an old airspeed indicator behind it. They grow up so fast.
Looking at the G3X for our 182.SUPER HELPFUL! Thank you!
@Ivy Cadle What model/year is your 182 and what engine does it have?
In my next video..."Selling my house so I can redo my avionics panel to fit 10 Garmin screens to beat Mike Patey's panel"
must be a pretty nice house.... ;-)
Super SLo 10 Garmin screens that could actually fit in that plane would be less than $100,000 so no the house doesn’t have to be nice.
@@superskullmaster it was kind of a joke to respond to a joke, lol.
@@superskullmaster I live in the south Mississippi woods so, careful now on those appraisals. HA!
This Plane is so awesome .... suuch a nice configuration! It combines the best of both worlds, Oldschool bushplane that uses the advantages that modern avionics can provide... JUST AWESOME !!!
This HAS to be in response to Mike Patey's Scrappy build. lol
Exactly my thoughts too!😂
Scrappy is abnormal. OTT. Don't get me wrong, it's brilliant, Mike's a genius mechanical engineer. This is more realistic for general aviation folks out there.
Well they are friends so.. there is that, they are both great guys. Love both Trent and mikes videos.
@@davidmerullo551 10/4. 🛫🛫✈
@@davidmerullo551 Oh yeah. Who doesn't.
Trent , You are the PIC and as such you are the one that has to live with the panel and the use of same , besides I like what you have and agree with you !...!...!
Love the Vid... I am a Mechanical Engineer, and that technical environment tempers a lot of things I do and use "as a safety margin" for things I do. And flying is one of them. Garmins' Glass from your install to the TBM setup is a safe environment. Your comments about your transition from simple steam gages to the Garmin setup you have does describe using a simple safety setup when you need them. You still fly as you did and should with your eyes outside the cockpit. But you have the safe level flight on AP when needed. Go for it!!
I think Trent does this so he has to be done with his editing, and also he saw Mike's new setup!
That’s funny and right!!! Lol
Yup my thoughts exactly lol
Definitely dash envy.
I just read some of the comments, no one has yet to watch the video! So how can you guys say he’s gonna say yes or no. I think what Mike did in scrappy is amazing and not overkill. I think that the more information you have and can get the better decisions someone can make. In some cases “less is more” but two different people with two different planes accomplishing two different goals. Either way can’t wait to see what Trent has to say!!! Awesome videos!!
Can you say "unlimited budget"...
I am now 12 and I am saving up to get a kitfox sti with my dad and you are the one that has inspired me to get my pilots license.
I just want to buy the same panel ! Nice video
BTW I use to fly with my wife before she died. I gave her a "pitch hitter course" and she had a check list of what to do if I became incapacitated. yeah, open my door and push me out was not on that list, LOL
Thanks, Trent! really appreciate your view and use of the updated panel!
Thanks. I like the idea of having just about everything on one very well integrated panel. Things have come a long way since I learned to fly many moons ago. God Bless.
Thank-you Trent. Excellent as always....
Here I am with no plane, training or skill, thinking, “That so cool. I want one”. Great work Trent. You make it look like all you gotta do is is flow the data inputs coming at you and then flying is the easiest thing in the world. Inspiring!
I really like how Garmin is jumping in to market in just about every field. From avionics to marine charts. I also love how they partner up with other manufacturers to be compatible.
Those cheap chargers for iPad and devices use a high speed oscillator and a tiny transformer to step down the voltage. They can put out so much noise they can cause RF interference. I've had them blank out the tire pressure sensors in a truck.
Fully agree. Much of the headset-audible electrical noise issues in a homebuilt I fly were significantly reduced by replacing the cheap USB charger for a Anker brand one - and that was on the recommendation of this site: pilotaware.com/faqs/ That site also go as far as recommending the products made by charge4.harkwood.co.uk/ for certified aircraft. Another option possibly worth investigating are the built in automotive-grade USB chargers of Molex: www.molex.com/molex/products/family/invehicle_usb_charger
@@jimjam623 You can reduce or remove the RF interference by putting a ferrite bead, also known as a ferrite choke, on the cable. These are just little magnets and are commonly used in many applications for reducing RF interference.
Daytona Sixty-Eight Actually, this plane’s wiring had been ‘choked to death’ (probably a pound or more) with those damn things over the years of various upgrades - and sadly it turns out they were doing nothing useful before we completely rewired it. The biggest source of audible electrical interference still appears to be coming from the SCREEN of the now ancient MGL Voyager EFIS - at least according to the handheld airband tranceiver being used to hunt directly transmitted noise - but probably not helped by the shorter than optimal antenna length (baked in to the design of the early Jabiru SP470’s. I agree though, ferrite beads ARE worth a try: dealing with electrical interference in aircraft is all science + half black art. :)
@@jimjam623 Typically those panel USB or car outlet USB chargers are powered via the master switch and not avionics switch. That should help you isolate RF. Master ON, Avionics OFF.... iPad charging? RF interference? No? Then avionics is likely the issue like you said. While your case sucks, most people who have problems with USB use a cheap charging cable and a choke likely would help them.
Thanks for this video, good information. Interesting comment about how going to fine pitch can blank the horizontal tail. My Europa mono is all electric analog flight inst, with Garmin GNC 420W. Dad flew in the western Canadian artic from 1955 until 1996, Cessna 180, Helio Courier, Piper Aztec and others floats , ski's, wheels and in the 90's when GPS came along he said " GPS takes the challenge out of bush flying " He couldn't believe how much easier it became.
What a joy....thanks so much!
As always, Trent, nicely done.
Honestly my favorite intro of any youtube page
I noticed your airsped is around 80 mph = 70 knots in the video. Is the kitfox so dragy? Shouldn't it be faster with the rotax 915?
I don't know what if anything Garmin paid you for this review but whatever it was, it wasn't enough. Very nice demo of the capabilities of what appears to be a superb product. This sort of "reality" demo is so much better than a static demo in the booth. thanks.
Based on the comments you'd think this was a Mike Patey video. Not everyone can be the Tony Stark of aviation, i think Trent Palmer has a sick plane and his content stands on it's own
Would be nice to see more videos like this getting deeper into the flying!
Lots of information Trent. Since I don't know how to fly. Like a lot of people, I use my Garmin on the ground plus Gaia GPS.
I've always wanted to become a pilot. Never got the chance because of the type of work I did.
Thanks for the video Trent! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Finally got device straight with UA-cam Subscriptions,promised I'd be back Trent,great to be back on board with you!❤ redbaron Chattanooga TN USA
Bro..this is an AWSOME AVIONICS & CONTROL PLANNING & TECHNIQUE NERDOUT! .. love it! Great demo & info vid!
I fly RC bushplanes (typically my 3 Timber STOL planes & a PA-18 bushwheel SuperCub) on every surface available year round..DAY & NIGHT! Be it ground, float, ski.. I may have coined the phrase "AERO-CRAWL" from some of my confined ROUGH SURFACE STOL RC flying..I fly it steeply into the valleys of trees on short final @ close as MCAS (down to 5Kts, working lots of rudder & wing leveling, on the edge of porpoiseing, any yaw leading to abrupt 40° flap spin!) as I can with a 3# 60" wingspan electric plane w/LE slats and Fowler style slotted flaps, all about A/S (AOA HYPER CRITICAL😬), sink/power, & ELEVATOR EFFECTIVENESS! 12" Dia fixed fine pitch prop on a light model, will go from top speed of 50Kts to 10 Kts in 2 seconds, w/ resulting "WHOOOShhh.." ..so I hear ya on blanking the elevator w/turbulence! Testing surfaces, varied flap induced trim shifts, trim use in various modes of flight, etc. Real cowboys do everything to stay on the good side of the thin edge of life & not get stuck in the mud, or worse! Awsome to see Freedom Fox collab. w/FliteTest! BTW, I think you see Autopilot how I see SAFE stabilization in RC planes as a tool, not a crutch, just logical persumption! Thanks for the entertainment, beautiful scenery, & great points to ponder! It's great being a "FLYING COWBOYS's COUSIN" by flying similar in RC! I know what goes into those landings! Many touch&gos till you're happy w/ vector on rollout (track/energy) 🤠👍Thanks so much for contributing so much inspiration to multiple communities! Everyone has such a tremendous impact!
Bushplanes are the coolest thing to own. i had never flown with one, its one of my dreams to do that
I am in a planning/build mode right now and I feel that both Mike's and YOUR video has helped me do a bit more planning in the use of advanced avionics. Yeh, more money but I can see from your description on how you utilize the information to make your flights more enjoyable. Trent, you're a real dude with real answers. thanks for the content. Rubber down and wings up! lator gator.
Great video of the Garmin G3x. My daily job is an Avionics shop supervisor in San Diego, and I am privileged to flying a Aeroprakt A32 with a G3x. My Avid Model C when I bought it had no avionics, and this year she’s getting an upgrade to GRT Mini X AP because it will fit or it would have been a G3x portrait. Whether it’s a G3x, GRT, or Dynon, the new ADHR’s displays with GPS navigator really reduce pilot saturation. This is not to promote avionics businesses, but an old school pilot stepping into the 21 Century!
I’ve been flying the Garmin G3X suite in my S7 for 3 years come October and have only praise for the reliability and ease of use. The autopilot was wonderful flying from Homedale ID to Titusville FL. Whether flying thru traffic dense Class B airspace Houston and Orlando or the open airspace out west, the G3X avionics lets me keep my eyes outside and on a swivel. I’m seeing problems before they become crisis. I believe having the Garmin suite (I.e. G3X, radio & autopilot) eliminated compatibility issues. If you bring the olives the darn thing will make you passengers a Martini! Fly safe - N719Q
Rule of thumb is, if there's no slat on the leading edge of the wing, flaps will push the nose down. Most noticeable of all is probably IL-76. It is a huge military transport from Russia that doesn't have leading edge lift device. And you will see it actually have a negative angle of attack when on final.
Very well done. I always love your videos. Because Bushplaneflying is a bit difficult in Germany, I am driving Cessna, Piper and Cirrus for more than 18 years now and purchased a 177 RG last year. Keep on the good work and take care. Always happy landings!
Thatgs some very cool flying and what a beautiful airplane.
It is never overkill when flying an airplane. It is wisdom.
Well.. if the cost is displacing money better spent elsewhere or the weight is more of a liability than an asset.. or the pretty glass too much of a distraction for head up VFR flying.. then it is overkill.
Everything... absolutely everything in aviation is compromise.
Great walk-around...of the inside of your ride. Love the capabilities and cross-platform capabilities of the G3X.
Oh wow, this changed my opinion, a complete 180. The new Flight Simulator is out and I was wondering why the hell do the light bush cubs have modern screens instead of rudimentary old gauges. Well this completely changed my opinion on them. Thank you, very informative. Cheers from France :)
It's the nav features that's driving it. look how many garmin 430's are going in.
I feel like you could start a podcast channel while flying your Bush plane. Awesome conversation & amazing views😁 could be your slogan.
Good one ☝️ my friend!!! Can’t have enough information, thank you 🙏.
That is cool. i have been fascinated with these kitfox.
I’m literally about two weeks away from taking delivery of an American Legend “Super Legend” Cub with a G3X! After 14 years of flying with a panel from the 60s, I can’t tell you how stoked I am to finally be able to fly an airplane with a modern system in the panel!!!
Much better video than your previous one! In all honesty, I think we want that length. Ten minutes is too short. Most of us are supplementing this for normal TV shows!
luv the new cowling and prop~!
Pretty sweet set up, pretty much what I plan on putting in my build... thank you for the demo!
You did an great job demonstrating the Garmin while entertaining your audience with your flying!
Great information, thx. A lot of this information helps in selecting my next aircraft. Certified or Experimental. I’ve lots to learn and this was a great help.
Thanks for the review of the avionics.. Great to see how different it is and more functional than the conventional gauges.. and gives a world less clutter in the cockpit with other items filling the same role.
Your set up is very rational and useful requiring little attention to operate. I like the outputs and the ease of operation especially as you do not have to take your eyes completely off the outside environment to see your system. I have flown in aircraft that a simple radio freq change makes you put your head down and lose the horizon totally.
Absolutely BRILLIANT film Trent!! The avionics stuff really informative and the whole flying/surfing/skiing/DirtBiking/flying stuff ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!!!! I've flown a Eurofox as a glider tow plane and your film has really turned me onto what the Kit/EuroFox SHOULD be used for!!!! AMAZING!! Thanks man!
This is ... beautiful.
Haha is this your response to Scrappy's avionics system?
I don’t have anything on Scrappy!
Everything about Scrappy is overkill, which is why we love it!
Only 2 screens! The new normal is at least 5, with custom software. :)
The only thing Scrappy has in common to any other plane on this planet is that is made of atoms. Thats all.
I think Mike Patey has settled all the discussions with Scrappy. It is not just the destination but also the journey.
You make me, a guy that doesn’t know much about flying get excited and want to learn someday hopefully in the near future. Love the videos man
One of the best videos you’ve made so far brother. Thanks for the great intro to Garmin avionics. I’m building an RV12is and you’ve sold me on the G3X suite.
I just put the g3x in my Zenith 650... Best efis screen out there.. worth every penny... I love it
Great video! Great info! You crushed it!
Great video - very informative- tx Trent !
Who gives this a thumbs down?!? Trent, fantastic and OSH 21 is coming!
I am preparing to put Garmin G3X in my plane now along with Garmin autopilot and full engine analyzer. Good to see your setup and help me stay motivated to get my upgrades done.
Very informative! Keep these kind of vids coming! You're inspiring me, and many others, to get into aviation 💪🏽
I’m not a pilot, but I thoroughly enjoy your videos. Very informative!!!
With Osh being cancelled this year, next year will be well attended! I'm looking forward to seeing many friends, and future friends. Safe flying. Great Video!!!!
I love Trent and flying bush plane
If you think your 3X is overkill, Scrappy is going to put you over the edge. That guy is NUTS (and I love it) He even has one for the back seater!
My dad loves ur videos i like them to
The year I was going too be able to go to Oshkosh and now we can't was really looking forward to seeing you and the rest there. Looking forward to next year. Thanks again for a very informative video.
Amen, brother. It was sad to lose Sun N' Fun and Oshkosh. Looking to next year.
I enjoyed the commentary throughout the video, don't be afraid to do more like this.
Hey Trent, it'd be super cool to see your process start to finish. As a pilot, I love watching how other folks plan, preflight, task manage, and even call out what they and the airplane are doing. This video was a awesome and caught a glimpse of the technical side of aviation. Dig it!
When I was training in the early 2000's, glass cockpit components were starting to trickle into the training fleet. Something that always impressed me about aircraft was the incredibly robust redundancy in all systems. Discrete systems were a product of smart evolution. Fast forward to today, I see so many devices converged into one screen, it's just unnerving.
a g3x, a g5, and a cellular (gps) ipad leave you with all instruments and navigation redundant.
In case anyone is wondering on costs, as I was: A reasonably complete G3X setup (10" panel, ADSB, GPS, engine monitoring, basic autopilot, etc) as seen on this aircraft is worth about $25K CAD.
I would love to have it... but hard to justify on a $20k kitfox. A bit easier on a $100k version like Trent's, I'm sure.
Superb avionics suite, I like it. I saw an early Cub once all it had was ASI, RPM, Ball & Slip,Altimeter and Oil Press
Great video as usual Trent.
I think that is practically the perfect light GA cockpit from my point of view. I know somebody building a Pietenpol Air Camper and that aircraft is getting a Dynon (I think) glass screen and engine monitor, its light, easy to read and removes the maintenance overhead that is the vacuum system.
Trent is who he is. Mike is who he is. They both are very informative. They are alike. They are very different. STOP WITH THE COMPARISONS!!!
Enjoyed the equipment explanation also what got me interested in your channel was the hopping about with the plane. Would like to see more of that.
Good show. Looks like a good system too. Thanks.
Most interesting. Thanks 👍