Indo-European and Basque, pt 1
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- Опубліковано 8 лют 2024
- In their Indo-European news update for February 2024, Prof. Tony Yates, Dr. Luke Gorton, and Jackson Crawford discuss a new book by Prof. Juliette Blevins that proposes a historical link between Basque and the Indo-European languages.
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I DEMAND, sorry, I politely request that you, Tony and Luke have Prof. Blevins on the show in the near future and have a 3 hour long discussion. Pretty pretty pleeeease!
The speculations (starting
I'm basque, I'm bilingual native speaker (my other native language it's spanish).
Wahoo!!!! I am one of the two! I really enjoy these conversations!
Here and commenting to represent the 2 people who watched this video all the way through. Fascinating discussion, gentlemen.
Going up to 3k viewers now. Finishing the video over my breakfast.
There are no words in any language that I know to deacribe how deeply fascinating this has been.
I don't know how common B -> W is, but it seems to have happened in Swahili which has "wa" for Noun Class II prefix, where Lingala, Luganda and Zulu have "ba", "ba", and "aba" respectively. And B and V have merged phonologically in some Spanish varieties.
Whoo! Indo-european convo is back baby!
About Basque genetics, they are pretty much like Iron Age Iberians (no Roman, Moorish or Germanic genetic influence). Their paternal lineages are more or less Bell Beaker derived but their maternal haplogroups have some paleo-European lineages. They have more WHG ancestry than most West Europeans, which why some scholars like Peter Nimitz make the assumption that Basque language could be even a Mesolithic remnant.
I’m another one of the two
A funny thing is the book title would be short-normal by 18th century standards.
BTW, the discussion about pre-PIE being ergative lead me to read a paper on the subject. The paper detailed how a split-ergative system lead to the later grammatical gender of PIE. This BLEW MY MIND! I had always wondered how the hell a language develops grammatical gender and here is one theory, and I never would have guessed.
I am "one of the two" watching right to the end - thank you for making such technical stuff broadly comprehensible to lay people like me, so that I can appreciate the excitement over Prof Blevins' work.
Great discussion! Sometimes hard to follow Tony Yates train of thought as he rarely finishes a sentence and I do so want to understand what he’s saying. I wondered also if you could do a brief summary at the end to tie up the wide ranging points covered - just for us very interested amateurs. Love these videos though and greatly appreciate the open access
1:30:50
I would love to see Jackson interview the author.
Thanks to Jackson and guests for the thoughtful book review! Of course there are more than two of us interested enough to watch to the end. I read Blevins’ book after Tony mentioned it in an interview a few months ago, and ever since I’ve been dying for this exact follow-up discussion. If you get in touch with the author, you can let her know she already has fans in your audience!
If the breathy voiced stops *bʰ, *dʰ, *gʰ, *gʷʰ come from sequences of CV+h, how does that affect our interpretation of PIE root constraints against forms like **deg, **dʰek, **tegʰ? Would that necessarily have to be a subsequent development within post-Basque PIE, where the phonations of certain consonants changed to create the pattern? It seems like the *h sound would have to be distributed in a very particular way for that result to naturally arise just from vowel deletion.
Why wasn't Ancient Iberian not mentioned more, at least in the number system appears to totally parallel to Basque.