Commercial A&P here, this is definitely my new favorite channel. That 310 looks like an absolute basket case, terrible idea for sure... which is exactly why you should do it. That is the kind of wild ride you can sell tickets too! I'll be waiting for the "Save the 310" t-shirts to hit the market so we can all help fund this bankruptcy in progress.
🎯 I don’t even know what a 310 is but I really want to see him knock it out the park and get it flying again!? If he is Serious about it then I would commit.
Took the words out of my mouth haha. A $20 "Save the 310" shirt is cheap if it means I get to see that disaster get put back together... 310s are awesome!
310s have become the disposable twins of the market place. It is cheaper to buy one with some life left in it, than fix them up. As Jimmy said $60 g's can buy something already in the air. There is some decent parts to sell here. I love the old 310s but you got to start with something working first. The engines looked like they were nicely pickled before it was parked, so there is likely some resale in engine parts there. Too bad about the props.
@@jj_the_av8r I'll take one for 10 if shipping is included lol The other 10 I want to put into my savings account for a brand new truck that I want to pay for in cash. That will be a 100% earnestly earned truck. No begging, no bumming, no stealing or lying, no cheating, nothing! It will be mine fair and square 😎
Great story. Save the 310. My father rebuilt a 1948 Stinson 108-3 many years ago. Was a disassembled wreak , turned out to be a fabulous airplane. Once you are done with the 310 it will be worth well north of 50k with everything checked out and documented. I chartered a 310 over Lake Michigan many times. Really nice and useful airplane.
We have a local prop shop that does the 500 hour overhaul on those props, we had to do it on our 310 A model a little over a year ago. Save the 310! If not we may be interested in the engines. Let me know if you're interested in the prop overhaul.
I am sure that you will be able to get the finds to do the 310, even if it sits for a while. You have already trucked it down, follow through with it. You know you want to see it back in the air,and we all do to. Do it!!!
Jimmy, these numbers are way beyond my scope of understanding. A hope and a prayer are the best I can offer. I think that last phone call is the right path. Can't wait to see how this turns out. Thanks for Sharing!
Craig the costs in Aviation are absurd!! I'm in the midst of an engine overhaul and firewall forward upgrade. The plane is a Single Engine Cessna Cardinal. The IO390 Factory Overhaul cost me a little over $50,000. A new propeller was $15,000. All the other miscellaneous parts was $15,000. I haven't gotten the bill from the A&P yet so I don't have the labor costs.
Just about fell out of my chair when I saw "Priebe Prop Shop, Findlay OH". That's where I did almost all of my fixed wing training (private & commercial licenses, rotary & fixed wing). The prop work may have been done by Larry Priebe and/or his son Jim. Sadly the airfield they owned is gone, as is their business. Last time I talked to Jim (about 15 years ago) he was living in Florida. Great videos Jimmy!!
Well like a thousand other people would like to see the 310 rebuilt..but have to agree its a lot of money...so my thought is if you have to do six months of paperwork and deal with the FAA why not make it experimental and do some thinking out of the box, like with the props etc. seems like there is a lot you could do like three-blade composite props, etc.
Yes if it doesnt make sense certified, then go Experimental - aftermarket FI and EI, etc. Wonder if a twin could be make reasonably functional with fixed pitch props?
8 months ago when I stumbled upon your "First start in 23 years" on your Cherokee I knew you were on the right path. that was 100k subscribers ago. Congrats on all the success! you deserve every bit of it! keep up the crazy shenanigans Jimmy!
Jimmy, because of your exuberance with your aircraft adventures & associated costs, I figured out the translation or meaning of AIRCRAFT: Always Injecting Reserve Cash Regularly At Frequent Thousands. Sort of like BOAT: Break Out Another Thousand? Great videos BTW!
For the people wondering: the beeping sound in the glider is the sound of the electric vario. The faster it beeps the faster you climb. Normally I turn it off during takeoff and landing since it is quite annoying and turn it on when starting to find thermals.
TAS Aviation in Defiance , OH are twin Cessna specialists. That's all they work on. They may be able to help/answer any odd questions as to the direction of your project 310.
I love your enthusiasm to save old planes with your knowledge and how you fix these planes up for the veterans or handicapped people out there. I am an avid fan of your videos and find it funny when you admit you do not know what every part is but always seem to get to the state to clear prop and save most of the planes you get despite constant interference from the FFA stopping you with. One piece of paper. You amaze me on your methods to get these old planes airworthy. The FFA has to realize that if you think the plane wouldn’t fly you. Would risk your life for a video only! Keep on going and clear the props!😊😊❤❤
The kid in me that used to watch Sky King wants to see the 310 fly again. I used to fly my dad's 1972 Cherokee Arrow back in the mid-70's, but had to give up flying when he sold it in 1977. I couldn't afford to fly back when 100LL was $0.86 a gallon. I certainly can't now..
My buddy bought a T-28 Trojan for only around 15k because missing log books at a estate sale couple years ago, shortly after he climbed in and found all the book's under the seat. or at least that's his story but I'm sure if someone's resourceful and has some of the log books to look over I'm sure someone can fill in the blanks lol
Try western aircraft propeller they help me with my prop IRAN when every shop turn me down. They gave me good surprise when I was expecting at 32K bill for 2 new prop on my baron B55
Scrap the 310, its a bottomless moneypit. I worked in a shop where we tried to talk somebody out of restoring a same vintage 310. He said fix it. One year and $200,000.00 later he had a 310 that was airworthy and worth about $50,000.00! Good luck.
"If there's anybody, that knows how to extort money from people? It's this guy... *ring-ring* Yeah, hi! Can I speak to Pastor Jim please?" Dude, that was brilliant!
I was a USAF Security Police Security Specialist stationed at RAF Upper Heyford UK during the shut down, and went to work in Law Enforcement after our mission went away. While working LE, I had the opportunity to work over at RAF Bicester, and watched the RAF glider club take off & land there. They launched via winch attached to the bed of a Bedford truck, that pulled them aloft, then they'd drop the cable nearly over the truck.
You don't need an aircraft to be in annual or even have an air worthiness cert. if you're using it to fly "pharmaceuticals" from Latin America to the USA. Just one trip alone would pay for the proper repairs.
As an owner of a 310C, I am far too familiar with the prop AD in question. There are a few prop shops that can do the work, you just have to expand the geographic boundaries of your search. Although not cheap, it will be far less expensive than new props. BTW, that AD is pure BS, but there it is. There is a firm in FL that can rebuild the boost pump at a reasonable price, don't remember their name offhand. If not too corroded from mouse droppings, I know you would find the 310 to be much more fun to fly then the Azwreck, although more challenging to master. It will be faster and much more responsive, but can get away from an inexperienced, or briefly inattentive, pilot in about half a heartbeat. By comparison, the Aztec pretty much just plods along with mushy controls. Good luck with both.
@@therealjimmysworld Check with Werner Propeller in Tucson, AZ, always had good response from them. Also, there is a long established prop shop in or near Minneapolis, MN that is well versed in older Hartzell props. I'm not sure of the name, but it may be Alexander. BTW, pull the aft scowling inspection plates and pull the exhaust augmented tubes to check the rear wing spars for corrosion on the 310 before you go too far with the plane.
Corrosion can be a real headache. Will continue to follow your thread with interest. It has been a long time (1970's) since I flew a 1956 Cessna 310. The prop issue is a tough one as is the damage done by the mouse factory. Wiring looks rough but anything that old needs new wiring anyway. Yes, airplanes convert money to noise. Twins do it twice as fast....Looks like the Aztec is better than expected. Since you have the "Six" you are familiar with the IO-540 Lycoming.
I remember a cartoon. When I was in the NAV. Posted outside the captain office. It was a 747 landing on an aircraft carrier. It came to stop at the forward cat area, the mast was knocked off the ship and one of the wings. And the pilot, caption read. " I told you I could do it!"
I've been looking at the Aztec market, and it's a pricey one, but a healthy market. The aircraft themselves are greatly loved by their owners for its comfort and space. Nice big windows for great views, and it's an excellent IFR platform. There really isn't a modern equivalent. Is it impossible to store the 310 until such time as the Piper is sold on? I wouldn't advise you to fly it yourself, as I'm afraid that once you have, you won't want to let go. One thought is that agencies, like the FAA, don't want the hassle of dealing with older aircraft. They're happy putting up all kinds of roadblocks to restoration. It's much easier for them dealing with new aircraft.
You certainly know how to take on the big challenges Jimmy. Keep it coming, loving every video. Air traffic controller, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.......retired for 5 weeks.......
A&P/IA here. I used to maintain an Aztec. Pretty sure there is a 5 year prop AD on Aztec Props….basically disassemble, inspect for corrosion, reseal, reassemble. Btw….that was a 2400 hour airframe in Primo condition and the owner had to give the thing away. No market for twins with $5 fuel and 36 gph fuel burn. Clear Prop x2
A little commentary based on experience: The non turbo aircraft exhaust systems are fixed on one end only - the end that bolts to the exhaust port on the engine; the rest of a non-turbo system is unsupported. That allows the entire exhaust to freely expand and contract as it goes from cold to hot - very hot. Your turbo Aztec exhaust tubes are fixed on both ends - one at the engine, one at the turbo. This means they must have slip joints in them, otherwise when they get red hot and expand, they will tend to deform or crack. Most people never take these apart and lube them because it is a royal PITA but it is required every 200 hours, I believe, and IT NEEDS TO BE DONE. Folks bitch about turbos not being reliable or worth it, but they do not have good temp monitors nor are they doing the proper maintenance. When I bought my Aztec, the joints were frozen solid, and sure enough there was about a 10" exhaust crack spewing hot exhaust all over the bottom of the engine and the throttle/governor cables. (This was missed, by the way, by a shop in NC, who dutifully drilled the pipe 2" away from the crack to install a TIT thermocouple. That was the least of their misses; another resulted in a top overhaul.) To get those pipes apart I had to heat the outer pipe cherry red with an oxyacetylene torch (rosebud tip) and then dip the other part in liquid nitrogen before putting it in my vise and twisting hell out of it. Man were they stuck! Then clean up with emery cloth and lube with nickel-based exhaust lubricant. You can get that on Amazon, of all places. www.amazon.com/Permatex-77124-Nickel-Anti-Seize-Lubricant/dp/B0002UENJ2/ Enjoy. Believe me, I've made all the mistakes, so I'll look in from time to time on your Aztec project.
That straight tail 310 is a bit of a rare beast, you could restore it and paint it to represent a U-3 in service with the US military then fly it on the warbird circuit...
I have to admit, the 310 is the more beautiful aircraft. I guess you have to look at it from a money standpoint unless your life's dream is to have a Cessna 310 and you don't care what it costs. I did that with my last big boat. I lost some money for sure. But I had it for 17 years and when I got her done, boy was she a beauty. Personally, I'd love to see the 310 get back into the air.
Looking forward to the Aztec project. WIth some of the money you save from the 310, you can put an electric trim in the Aztec so you wont need to strech your hand like manually open the sun roof of a car!! No t-shirt for me, just go for the Aztec. I'll be here watching you man! Great channel!!!
For the 310 magnetos, Check the TCDS, note 13 for eligible magnetos. You can install slick 6310s and others. Education costs money. You can fix the 310 for less than my daughter spent at Columbia. (and she still needs a pilot certificate). Are the engines -Bs or -Ms. Easier to find -M props. Crankshaft dampeners are different. Maybe the crankshafts as well. It sure is hard to believe the Aztruck is more economically viable than the 310.
This stuff is heaps of fun, you're a great loon of a presenter, but it's also really fascinating seeing how you've gone about evaluating your finds and now getting into the real business of getting them airworthy, if possible. Glad I came across your channel!
Man, I'm glad you posted this... I was afraid she'd done away with you! Forget the 310. Yeah, it's lot more sexy than the Aztec but that Aztec will fly with anything you can close the doors on... and it will haul some ice. I was bringing one back (non-turbo) from the auction at Cape Girardeau many years ago and picked up a load of ice over what passes for the mountains out there. She never blinked... unlike me. Took about a day and a half (OK, probably 20 minutes on a real clock) before ATC could get me lower. All-in-all a good airplane to get your ME and fly your family around in.
If you make a good offer, like 5k or something, they might do the prop inspection. Money moves. Patreon could work, offer some behind the scenes or a live stream on there.
So.... The Aztec, stood outside for decades, is rescueable,and the 310, stored inside protected, with practically new(ish.....) engines is a fail, because of two damn propellers? that's.... that's a rollercoaster...:(
@@fhturner3 Unfortunately, it's simply "because the FAA said so". There's an Airworthyness Directive (that's the "AD") on those things, meaning that there had been some kind of safety concern with them in the past, and they require special treatment that has to be signed off, for the plane to remain airworthy. Kind of ironic that the mouse poop isn't even the biggest deal on that plane -- it's bureaucracy. (but for a good reason, like, your plane not falling out of the sky)
I have a saying that I live my life by I heard it as a child and I've never forgotten it and it's helped me do things and obtain things that I never would have thought possible....... I forget whether it was Rockefeller or JP Morgan or what who said this..... One of those guys was pulling up to the dock to get fuel.... In his yacht....the attendant asked him what is this boat cost.... Everybody knows this line..... Son if you have to ask you can't afford it.... I don't believe that he was being a smart-ass or flaunting as well I believe he was teaching the guy a lesson about life.......... I believe what he meant by that was you've got to want something so bad the price doesn't matter you're going to get it..... And I've lived my life that way and it is made all the difference..... When people told me I couldn't buy homes I bought them just to prove to them that I could...... With no job or credit.......when people told me that yachts were too expensive I bought 13 of them.... Pretty girls had hundreds of them.. even went to work for Central intelligence and told them to go f*** themselves and walked..... So as far as your 310 goes.....if you want it bad enough you will find a way to do everything there is there $60,000 for props whatever screw the props change them put the wrong ones in there.....etc
Those magnetos only need a IRAN & AD check. Should only need minor parts if any & 1 hour labor each. Or send them to a mag shop for 500 hour inspection which cost $350 each. Call Tropic Air Power or Maxwell's magneto shop for the inspections.
Cut bait and weigh anchor on the Cessna 310. It is a cool aircraft but old and not feasible to service ($$$$). Friend of mine had and right engine fire while taxing in his 310 A model. You will need to loose (sell) many t-shirts to fund this project. And in the end you will still loose your shirt. Great energy in your channel, enjoy watching you become broke. :)
It's crazy that the 310 isn't worth more in flyable condition! It seems like a nice-looking plane, there seem to be lots of "Sky King" fans who have a soft spot for them, and as you said, there are only like 6 in flyable condition anymore... but it's still only worth $50K? Huh.
Well Jimmy, I agree the Aztec is worth it. But the 310 is saveable too! I actually like it better than the Aztec. I would consider going ahead with it. Maybe restore it to a point where it can be sold.
my dad had an Arrow 200 the engine went out in mid flight. He set it down safely on an ag strip. Had it moved back close to home and I went to Texas and picked up another engine. Had the engine installed and got it running. I was flying the plane then one day my dad told me he sold it and had me deliver it. A friend of dad, who was also a pilot, told me he expected the plane to be sold. It was a matter of trust. He said dad didn't trust the plane anymore. He went and bought a Cherokee 180 and flew it for a few years then sold it and never flew again. That is probably what happened to the man with the twin. After it was wrecked he didn't trust it but he couldn't get rid of it either.
This may be an unpopular opinion, but restoring both will provide your channel with a lot of good content for months (even a year or so). What is that worth to you at your current and projected future subscriber count? Love your channel. I'm curious to see what you do.
That's a shame on the 310, I really thought that would be the better candidate. It would be a good project for somebody that really wants to fly it and own it, but it wouldn't be cost effective if somebody was planning on rebuilding it to sell. Would still love to see it in the air and not a scrap yard.
If an A&P had the money to buy the parts then he could do all the work himself and save a ton on labor. Many pilots of older twins actually to earn a degree as An A&P and save a ton on repairs and inspections. They also have the philosophy of most shops won't do as thorough job since its not their ass in the air while an owner/mechanic who flys his own aircraft will take extra time and a lot more TLC in maintaining it.
As a personal preference, fix the Aztec. I rode in one in 1976 and it felt safe, solid and just right. A few years later, a 310 ambushed its pilot with a roll after take-off in a warm climate and no one lived. As a kid, I was smitten by the 310 for its style. The Aztec then and still does look downright ugly by comparison.
From a 310 guy and I hate to say it, but the move to make would be to sell/scrap as much as you can on the 310 and then put it towards the Aztruck. However if you do try to raise funds to save it then I'm in!
If the "Save the 310" t-shirts and Patreon don't work out, I'd try to sell the 310 to someone that would like to restore it, despite the costs. If no one wants it by the time the Aztek is in the sky again, you may have to part it out or scrap it. I'd love to see both airplanes fly again!
Great Airplanes you have Jimmy The 310 is a great Airplane. I'm a A&P and a pilot. Would love to help you but I'm working in Africa on Beach king airs 300 . I enjoy watching your videos.
@@therealjimmysworld Agreed! That 310 has some absolutely stunning lines and curves. And not to mention that exhaust. But I have always been a Cessna man. Aztrucks are good for work, and can haul a lot, but they are just so darn ugly…… :)
Damn Jimmy, I would have washed them before stuffing them in the hangar with other planes! What if you have now brought field mice into the hangar? I, for one, would not be happy, having them moving into my plane!
Well Jimmy guess you will be living in the camper until the FAA clears the Aztek for take off. Don't bother with the 310 it is too much of a money pit. Scrap it and put all of your time into the other plane.
That 310 is a terrible idea... so when is the save the 310 merch dropping? Would definitely support this project. One of the only channels I come back to everyday to look for a new video.
Great videos, you're a way braver man than I. Been flying 20+ years mostly professionally. I'd love to dive into crazy projects like this, but am too scared. That looked like Seminole Lake Gliderport, got my glider rating there a long time ago, soaring is super fun. Looking forward to your adventures with these airplanes.
Commercial A&P here, this is definitely my new favorite channel. That 310 looks like an absolute basket case, terrible idea for sure... which is exactly why you should do it. That is the kind of wild ride you can sell tickets too! I'll be waiting for the "Save the 310" t-shirts to hit the market so we can all help fund this bankruptcy in progress.
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I don’t even know what a 310 is but I really want to see him knock it out the park and get it flying again!? If he is Serious about it then I would commit.
Maybe Camille and Clara are right, maybe you just need some nude girls to get all up in that fuselage and clean out the mouse poop 😂.
Took the words out of my mouth haha. A $20 "Save the 310" shirt is cheap if it means I get to see that disaster get put back together... 310s are awesome!
310s have become the disposable twins of the market place. It is cheaper to buy one with some life left in it, than fix them up. As Jimmy said $60 g's can buy something already in the air. There is some decent parts to sell here. I love the old 310s but you got to start with something working first. The engines looked like they were nicely pickled before it was parked, so there is likely some resale in engine parts there. Too bad about the props.
@@jj_the_av8r I'll take one for 10 if shipping is included lol The other 10 I want to put into my savings account for a brand new truck that I want to pay for in cash. That will be a 100% earnestly earned truck. No begging, no bumming, no stealing or lying, no cheating, nothing! It will be mine fair and square 😎
This is my favorite series on YT right now
Same here!
Agreed
Me too
Same!!
This is some of the finest aviation UA-cam content available. Keep it coming Jimmy!
Truth
Great story. Save the 310. My father rebuilt a 1948 Stinson 108-3 many years ago. Was a disassembled wreak , turned out to be a fabulous airplane. Once you are done with the 310 it will be worth well north of 50k with everything checked out and documented. I chartered a 310 over Lake Michigan many times. Really nice and useful airplane.
There's good news and bad news, Jimmy.
The good news. The gas cap is perfect.
The bad news. We have to replace everything else.
We have a local prop shop that does the 500 hour overhaul on those props, we had to do it on our 310 A model a little over a year ago. Save the 310! If not we may be interested in the engines. Let me know if you're interested in the prop overhaul.
Thanks for the comment. Contact info?
I am sure that you will be able to get the finds to do the 310, even if it sits for a while. You have already trucked it down, follow through with it. You know you want to see it back in the air,and we all do to. Do it!!!
Jimmy, these numbers are way beyond my scope of understanding. A hope and a prayer are the best I can offer. I think that last phone call is the right path. Can't wait to see how this turns out. Thanks for Sharing!
Craig the costs in Aviation are absurd!! I'm in the midst of an engine overhaul and firewall forward upgrade. The plane is a Single Engine Cessna Cardinal. The IO390 Factory Overhaul cost me a little over $50,000. A new propeller was $15,000. All the other miscellaneous parts was $15,000. I haven't gotten the bill from the A&P yet so I don't have the labor costs.
Just about fell out of my chair when I saw "Priebe Prop Shop, Findlay OH". That's where I did almost all of my fixed wing training (private & commercial licenses, rotary & fixed wing). The prop work may have been done by Larry Priebe and/or his son Jim. Sadly the airfield they owned is gone, as is their business. Last time I talked to Jim (about 15 years ago) he was living in Florida. Great videos Jimmy!!
Well like a thousand other people would like to see the 310 rebuilt..but have to agree its a lot of money...so my thought is if you have to do six months of paperwork and deal with the FAA why not make it experimental and do some thinking out of the box, like with the props etc. seems like there is a lot you could do like three-blade composite props, etc.
Doesn't need to do 6 months of paperwork with that plane I don't think. It was the other plane that was filed as scrap
Yes if it doesnt make sense certified, then go Experimental - aftermarket FI and EI, etc. Wonder if a twin could be make reasonably functional with fixed pitch props?
Forget about the 310, it's parts now.
The aztruck is the way to go! You got lucky with it if it's as the mechanic says.
8 months ago when I stumbled upon your "First start in 23 years" on your Cherokee I knew you were on the right path. that was 100k subscribers ago. Congrats on all the success! you deserve every bit of it! keep up the crazy shenanigans Jimmy!
Jimmy, because of your exuberance with your aircraft adventures & associated costs, I figured out the translation or meaning of AIRCRAFT: Always Injecting Reserve Cash Regularly At Frequent Thousands. Sort of like BOAT: Break Out Another Thousand? Great videos BTW!
That sounds like Gov't. 😁
Unfortunately anything that has these letters in it is expensive
Niiice! 😎
I prefer the simpler Aircraft Maintenance Unit (AMU). One AMU=One thousand dollars :)
For the people wondering: the beeping sound in the glider is the sound of the electric vario. The faster it beeps the faster you climb. Normally I turn it off during takeoff and landing since it is quite annoying and turn it on when starting to find thermals.
I hate the electric vario.
That is true. I also turn it off on landing. Or should I say I turn off the down tone.
Thank you sir, you gave a name to the thing that was bothering me
Thanks, I was wondering what that was.
@@32SQUID You're a glider pilot? Doesn't it make it a lot easier without having to keep your eyes glued to the altimeter?
TAS Aviation in Defiance , OH are twin Cessna specialists. That's all they work on. They may be able to help/answer any odd questions as to the direction of your project 310.
Agree Tony Saxton is the all time expert. He did an overhaul and Landing gear modification on my Cessna 401B. He is the best!!
I love this guys shop all packed in with various projects. I prefer this sort of chaos to super clean.
I love your enthusiasm to save old planes with your knowledge and how you fix these planes up for the veterans or handicapped people out there. I am an avid fan of your videos and find it funny when you admit you do not know what every part is but always seem to get to the state to clear prop and save most of the planes you get despite constant interference from the FFA stopping you with. One piece of paper. You amaze me on your methods to get these old planes airworthy. The FFA has to realize that if you think the plane wouldn’t fly you. Would risk your life for a video only! Keep on going and clear the props!😊😊❤❤
The kid in me that used to watch Sky King wants to see the 310 fly again. I used to fly my dad's 1972 Cherokee Arrow back in the mid-70's, but had to give up flying when he sold it in 1977. I couldn't afford to fly back when 100LL was $0.86 a gallon. I certainly can't now..
My buddy bought a T-28 Trojan for only around 15k because missing log books at a estate sale couple years ago, shortly after he climbed in and found all the book's under the seat. or at least that's his story but I'm sure if someone's resourceful and has some of the log books to look over I'm sure someone can fill in the blanks lol
Try western aircraft propeller they help me with my prop IRAN when every shop turn me down. They gave me good surprise when I was expecting at 32K bill for 2 new prop on my baron B55
What could possibly go wrong with an aircraft whose air worthiness certificate looks like the dead sea scroll's.
This is just insane - love the call to Pastor Jim ;)
Scrap the 310, its a bottomless moneypit. I worked in a shop where we tried to talk somebody out of restoring a same vintage 310. He said fix it. One year and $200,000.00 later he had a 310 that was airworthy and worth about $50,000.00! Good luck.
"If there's anybody, that knows how to extort money from people? It's this guy... *ring-ring* Yeah, hi! Can I speak to Pastor Jim please?" Dude, that was brilliant!
Yeah I burst out laughing!
I absolutely love the 310. But like most things I love, I could not afford them and now they live with some other guy. Good luck Jimmy!
Count you blessings.
I'd fix the aztec , sell it and use the money to partially fund the 310. It could be a long term project fueled by patreon donations.
I was a USAF Security Police Security Specialist stationed at RAF Upper Heyford UK during the shut down, and went to work in Law Enforcement after our mission went away. While working LE, I had the opportunity to work over at RAF Bicester, and watched the RAF glider club take off & land there. They launched via winch attached to the bed of a Bedford truck, that pulled them aloft, then they'd drop the cable nearly over the truck.
You don't need an aircraft to be in annual or even have an air worthiness cert. if you're using it to fly "pharmaceuticals" from Latin America to the USA. Just one trip alone would pay for the proper repairs.
Its that lure of easy money its got a very strong appeal..
@@roguedalek900 as a kid we used to watch the drug planes do touch an go's around here. Good fun.
OMG! You have a mechanic wizard as well!! This is totally Hoovie's Garage but with aircraft!! Luv it!
I say " save the Aztec". Used to see them regularly at my local airport in the 70's 😊
Yeeeessss
As an owner of a 310C, I am far too familiar with the prop AD in question. There are a few prop shops that can do the work, you just have to expand the geographic boundaries of your search. Although not cheap, it will be far less expensive than new props. BTW, that AD is pure BS, but there it is. There is a firm in FL that can rebuild the boost pump at a reasonable price, don't remember their name offhand. If not too corroded from mouse droppings, I know you would find the 310 to be much more fun to fly then the Azwreck, although more challenging to master. It will be faster and much more responsive, but can get away from an inexperienced, or briefly inattentive, pilot in about half a heartbeat. By comparison, the Aztec pretty much just plods along with mushy controls. Good luck with both.
Thanks for the comment. Do you have the name or contact info for any of those prop shops? Thanks so much
@@therealjimmysworld Check with Werner Propeller in Tucson, AZ, always had good response from them. Also, there is a long established prop shop in or near Minneapolis, MN that is well versed in older Hartzell props. I'm not sure of the name, but it may be Alexander. BTW, pull the aft scowling inspection plates and pull the exhaust augmented tubes to check the rear wing spars for corrosion on the 310 before you go too far with the plane.
Corrosion can be a real headache. Will continue to follow your thread with interest. It has been a long time (1970's) since I flew a 1956 Cessna 310. The prop issue is a tough one as is the damage done by the mouse factory. Wiring looks rough but anything that old needs new wiring anyway. Yes, airplanes convert money to noise. Twins do it twice as fast....Looks like the Aztec is better than expected. Since you have the "Six" you are familiar with the IO-540 Lycoming.
310's are beautiful and worth the agony, ordered a hoodie, hope it helps.
I remember a cartoon. When I was in the NAV. Posted outside the captain office. It was a 747 landing on an aircraft carrier. It came to stop at the forward cat area, the mast was knocked off the ship and one of the wings. And the pilot, caption read. " I told you I could do it!"
I've been looking at the Aztec market, and it's a pricey one, but a healthy market. The aircraft themselves are greatly loved by their owners for its comfort and space. Nice big windows for great views, and it's an excellent IFR platform. There really isn't a modern equivalent. Is it impossible to store the 310 until such time as the Piper is sold on? I wouldn't advise you to fly it yourself, as I'm afraid that once you have, you won't want to let go. One thought is that agencies, like the FAA, don't want the hassle of dealing with older aircraft. They're happy putting up all kinds of roadblocks to restoration. It's much easier for them dealing with new aircraft.
You certainly know how to take on the big challenges Jimmy. Keep it coming, loving every video. Air traffic controller, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.......retired for 5 weeks.......
By all means, I hope you're able to save the 310. I have a warm feeling for it, as it was the first twin I ever flew! But then, that was 1979.
A&P/IA here. I used to maintain an Aztec. Pretty sure there is a 5 year prop AD on Aztec Props….basically disassemble, inspect for corrosion, reseal, reassemble. Btw….that was a 2400 hour airframe in Primo condition and the owner had to give the thing away. No market for twins with $5 fuel and 36 gph fuel burn. Clear Prop x2
Your phone call at the end to Pastor Jim was so good. Completely cracked me up.
A little commentary based on experience: The non turbo aircraft exhaust systems are fixed on one end only - the end that bolts to the exhaust port on the engine; the rest of a non-turbo system is unsupported. That allows the entire exhaust to freely expand and contract as it goes from cold to hot - very hot.
Your turbo Aztec exhaust tubes are fixed on both ends - one at the engine, one at the turbo. This means they must have slip joints in them, otherwise when they get red hot and expand, they will tend to deform or crack. Most people never take these apart and lube them because it is a royal PITA but it is required every 200 hours, I believe, and IT NEEDS TO BE DONE. Folks bitch about turbos not being reliable or worth it, but they do not have good temp monitors nor are they doing the proper maintenance.
When I bought my Aztec, the joints were frozen solid, and sure enough there was about a 10" exhaust crack spewing hot exhaust all over the bottom of the engine and the throttle/governor cables. (This was missed, by the way, by a shop in NC, who dutifully drilled the pipe 2" away from the crack to install a TIT thermocouple. That was the least of their misses; another resulted in a top overhaul.)
To get those pipes apart I had to heat the outer pipe cherry red with an oxyacetylene torch (rosebud tip) and then dip the other part in liquid nitrogen before putting it in my vise and twisting hell out of it. Man were they stuck! Then clean up with emery cloth and lube with nickel-based exhaust lubricant. You can get that on Amazon, of all places.
www.amazon.com/Permatex-77124-Nickel-Anti-Seize-Lubricant/dp/B0002UENJ2/
Enjoy. Believe me, I've made all the mistakes, so I'll look in from time to time on your Aztec project.
That straight tail 310 is a bit of a rare beast, you could restore it and paint it to represent a U-3 in service with the US military then fly it on the warbird circuit...
Hello from KSRQ, I'm glad I found your channel you have definitely filled a niche among viewers who can't enough aviation content. Thanks!
Love watching Jimmy's video. It shows you can always have more airplane than money. This guy should be on a comedy show.
I have to admit, the 310 is the more beautiful aircraft. I guess you have to look at it from a money standpoint unless your life's dream is to have a Cessna 310 and you don't care what it costs. I did that with my last big boat. I lost some money for sure. But I had it for 17 years and when I got her done, boy was she a beauty. Personally, I'd love to see the 310 get back into the air.
Kudos to you Jimmy for giving the homeless A&P another chance to get his career going again.
It's super hard to find honest mechanics like this. Especially since even a few small repairs can net them $10,000 - $20,000 easily if they want.
Looking forward to the Aztec project. WIth some of the money you save from the 310, you can put an electric trim in the Aztec so you wont need to strech your hand like manually open the sun roof of a car!! No t-shirt for me, just go for the Aztec. I'll be here watching you man! Great channel!!!
For the 310 magnetos, Check the TCDS, note 13 for eligible magnetos. You can install slick 6310s and others.
Education costs money. You can fix the 310 for less than my daughter spent at Columbia. (and she still needs a pilot certificate).
Are the engines -Bs or -Ms. Easier to find -M props. Crankshaft dampeners are different. Maybe the crankshafts as well.
It sure is hard to believe the Aztruck is more economically viable than the 310.
This stuff is heaps of fun, you're a great loon of a presenter, but it's also really fascinating seeing how you've gone about evaluating your finds and now getting into the real business of getting them airworthy, if possible. Glad I came across your channel!
I’m kind of a sentimental aircraft guy but if you can get this aircraft flying again I want to see it. Go for it!!!
Hi, I am from Minn I love to watch your adventures Fixing some of the abandoned airplane and brand it back to life. Keep it up.
30K for propellers? Not possible. If Hartzel and McCaully can’t or won’t do it for less, MT might be your answer. Save the 310!
Given your proclivity for bad decision making, I'm voting for the 310. You can restore it, then donate it as a write off!
Man, I'm glad you posted this... I was afraid she'd done away with you! Forget the 310. Yeah, it's lot more sexy than the Aztec but that Aztec will fly with anything you can close the doors on... and it will haul some ice. I was bringing one back (non-turbo) from the auction at Cape Girardeau many years ago and picked up a load of ice over what passes for the mountains out there. She never blinked... unlike me. Took about a day and a half (OK, probably 20 minutes on a real clock) before ATC could get me lower. All-in-all a good airplane to get your ME and fly your family around in.
If you make a good offer, like 5k or something, they might do the prop inspection. Money moves.
Patreon could work, offer some behind the scenes or a live stream on there.
Hey I recognize that hanger, Iv actually flown In That piper cub with the floats. He’s a good family friend.
My first flight in a 310g from Dayton to Sun n Fun. Unforgettable ! Save the 310.
So....
The Aztec, stood outside for decades, is rescueable,and the 310, stored inside protected, with practically new(ish.....) engines is a fail, because of two damn propellers?
that's.... that's a rollercoaster...:(
And THAT is why engineers are the worst. Someone designed those props and simply failed.
I still don’t quite understand why new props are garbage and un-workable, requiring $30K replacements!
I'm confused as to why no one wants to inspect/overhaul those props? Were they damaged or horribly unreliable?
@@fhturner3 Unfortunately, it's simply "because the FAA said so". There's an Airworthyness Directive (that's the "AD") on those things, meaning that there had been some kind of safety concern with them in the past, and they require special treatment that has to be signed off, for the plane to remain airworthy.
Kind of ironic that the mouse poop isn't even the biggest deal on that plane -- it's bureaucracy. (but for a good reason, like, your plane not falling out of the sky)
The 310 needs to be restored just because it's so bad, it's such a cool looking aircraft
I have a saying that I live my life by I heard it as a child and I've never forgotten it and it's helped me do things and obtain things that I never would have thought possible....... I forget whether it was Rockefeller or JP Morgan or what who said this.....
One of those guys was pulling up to the dock to get fuel.... In his yacht....the attendant asked him what is this boat cost....
Everybody knows this line..... Son if you have to ask you can't afford it....
I don't believe that he was being a smart-ass or flaunting as well I believe he was teaching the guy a lesson about life..........
I believe what he meant by that was you've got to want something so bad the price doesn't matter you're going to get it..... And I've lived my life that way and it is made all the difference..... When people told me I couldn't buy homes I bought them just to prove to them that I could...... With no job or credit.......when people told me that yachts were too expensive I bought 13 of them.... Pretty girls had hundreds of them..
even went to work for Central intelligence and told them to go f*** themselves and walked..... So as far as your 310 goes.....if you want it bad enough you will find a way to do everything there is there $60,000 for props whatever screw the props change them put the wrong ones in there.....etc
Work on the Aztec and set up a fundraiser for the 310. There are enough nutty old plane fans out there to give you $5 to save it from the scrapyard 😊
Parachute????? I love you dude. 22 secs into this video and this man has me in tears. OK. Now i know. Great edit.
I’m no pilot but I love flying and you’re channel! You always make me smile and laugh!
Those magnetos only need a IRAN & AD check. Should only need minor parts if any & 1 hour labor each. Or send them to a mag shop for 500 hour inspection which cost $350 each. Call Tropic Air Power or Maxwell's magneto shop for the inspections.
Cut bait and weigh anchor on the Cessna 310. It is a cool aircraft but old and not feasible to service ($$$$). Friend of mine had and right engine fire while taxing in his 310 A model. You will need to loose (sell) many t-shirts to fund this project. And in the end you will still loose your shirt. Great energy in your channel, enjoy watching you become broke. :)
It's crazy that the 310 isn't worth more in flyable condition! It seems like a nice-looking plane, there seem to be lots of "Sky King" fans who have a soft spot for them, and as you said, there are only like 6 in flyable condition anymore... but it's still only worth $50K? Huh.
Save the 310! Lets all chip-in!!!! AND AT THE END - A RAFFLE FOR HER!!!!!
Yes finally Jimmy vídeo. Waiting for you man.
Well Jimmy, I agree the Aztec is worth it.
But the 310 is saveable too! I actually like it better than the Aztec. I would consider going ahead with it. Maybe restore it to a point where it can be sold.
my dad had an Arrow 200 the engine went out in mid flight. He set it down safely on an ag strip. Had it moved back close to home and I went to Texas and picked up another engine. Had the engine installed and got it running. I was flying the plane then one day my dad told me he sold it and had me deliver it. A friend of dad, who was also a pilot, told me he expected the plane to be sold. It was a matter of trust. He said dad didn't trust the plane anymore. He went and bought a Cherokee 180 and flew it for a few years then sold it and never flew again. That is probably what happened to the man with the twin. After it was wrecked he didn't trust it but he couldn't get rid of it either.
This may be an unpopular opinion, but restoring both will provide your channel with a lot of good content for months (even a year or so). What is that worth to you at your current and projected future subscriber count? Love your channel. I'm curious to see what you do.
Pastor Jim at the end.... Priceless!
That's a shame on the 310, I really thought that would be the better candidate. It would be a good project for somebody that really wants to fly it and own it, but it wouldn't be cost effective if somebody was planning on rebuilding it to sell. Would still love to see it in the air and not a scrap yard.
A full on resto on the 310 is going to be right at 150k.. and most of that is going to be avionics. Totally retarded for what aviation cost.
If an A&P had the money to buy the parts then he could do all the work himself and save a ton on labor. Many pilots of older twins actually to earn a degree as An A&P and save a ton on repairs and inspections. They also have the philosophy of most shops won't do as thorough job since its not their ass in the air while an owner/mechanic who flys his own aircraft will take extra time and a lot more TLC in maintaining it.
@@Subgunman If you want it done right...
Love watching Jimmy's World it's great and sometimes inspiring.
As a personal preference, fix the Aztec. I rode in one in 1976 and it felt safe, solid and just right. A few years later, a 310 ambushed its pilot with a roll after take-off in a warm climate and no one lived.
As a kid, I was smitten by the 310 for its style. The Aztec then and still does look downright ugly by comparison.
From a 310 guy and I hate to say it, but the move to make would be to sell/scrap as much as you can on the 310 and then put it towards the Aztruck. However if you do try to raise funds to save it then I'm in!
You have a good looking aircraft. It looks good fixing it and putting back together to work again. So nice.
At 14:00 you're right up my alley brother! Tell SK I said hello!
I love the "oh you have a lot of experience buying private jets with other people's money"
If the "Save the 310" t-shirts and Patreon don't work out, I'd try to sell the 310 to someone that would like to restore it, despite the costs. If no one wants it by the time the Aztek is in the sky again, you may have to part it out or scrap it. I'd love to see both airplanes fly again!
Donate it to a A&P school
Great Airplanes you have Jimmy
The 310 is a great Airplane. I'm a A&P and a pilot. Would love to help you but I'm working in Africa on Beach king airs 300 . I enjoy watching your videos.
Never have I seen a channel grow as fast as this one! Been tracking since vinyl applied to the Six.
Great stuff!
Glad to donate (from Australia)....I think you've given us value for money, and I'd like to see the journey continue.
Scrap the 310. Sell it for parts. Money better spent on the Aztec.
Too painful!! #savethe310
@@therealjimmysworld Agreed! That 310 has some absolutely stunning lines and curves. And not to mention that exhaust. But I have always been a Cessna man. Aztrucks are good for work, and can haul a lot, but they are just so darn ugly…… :)
There's visible improvement in video quality with every video in this series! Amazing work!
The ending has me rolling over in laughter! Great job Jimmy!
I love how real he is! Keep killing it mann
Damn Jimmy, I would have washed them before stuffing them in the hangar with other planes! What if you have now brought field mice into the hangar? I, for one, would not be happy, having them moving into my plane!
Yeah your right, take them outside and clean them up
Yay, my new favorite channel! Love ya, Jimmy!!!
Well Jimmy guess you will be living in the camper until the FAA clears the Aztek for take off. Don't bother with the 310 it is too much of a money pit. Scrap it and put all of your time into the other plane.
What ever the out come, I can’t wait till the next episode 😊
The beeping in the glider sounded like the world's worst rave. I would have list min mind. Kudos to you.
That 310 is a terrible idea... so when is the save the 310 merch dropping? Would definitely support this project. One of the only channels I come back to everyday to look for a new video.
Thank you for this education on aviation inspection.
Great videos, you're a way braver man than I. Been flying 20+ years mostly professionally. I'd love to dive into crazy projects like this, but am too scared. That looked like Seminole Lake Gliderport, got my glider rating there a long time ago, soaring is super fun. Looking forward to your adventures with these airplanes.
Some of those old flashlights sell for bank on eBay. I’ve seen some sell for $400. Depends upon the brand and model and condition.
Beeping sound in glider would drive me crazy.
they all do that.. it helps to indicated if you are climbing or descending.
Yea I had to turn the volume WAY down
Hey: Jimmy Call Mike's Propeller in Bakersfield California , I think they might be able to help on the prop issue.
check out how I found these airplanes! ua-cam.com/video/RzS9YzaAROc/v-deo.html
I agree with SFW Dalmont ... let's get some "Save the 310!" Merch! I'll be first in line!