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  • @soli9mana-soli4953
    @soli9mana-soli4953 2 дні тому +2

    An other possible solution could be applying the tangent secant theorem first from point C
    CB*CA = 3*3
    And then from point P
    PA*PB = 1*1
    Setting AB=x , CA=y and being CP=2√ 10 as shown in the video
    we have 2 equations with 2 unknowns
    (X+y)*y=3*3
    (2√ 10 - y)*(2√ 10 - X - y)=1*1
    1) xy + y² = 9
    2) 40 - 2√ 10x -4√ 10y + xy + y² = 1
    substituting 1) in the 2)
    24 - √ 10x - 2√ 10y = 0
    x = (24 - 2√ 10y)/√ 10 and substituting in the 1) we have the quadratic equation
    √ 10y² - 24y + 9√ 10 = 0
    for y = (12 - 3√ 6)/√ 10
    x = 6/5√ 10
    y≈1.471, x≈4.648 ok
    y≈6.119, x≈−4.648 (rejected)

  • @dbdb7745
    @dbdb7745 День тому +5

    At 0:55 - one cannot say that the point C is the origin of the coordinate system. All that is given is that the center O of the circle has coordinates (3, 3) in some coordinate system. It may require some more justification.

    • @maroonshaded
      @maroonshaded День тому

      Yes, that should be specified! Knowing O alone with no notion of scale is of no help.

  • @marioalb9726
    @marioalb9726 2 дні тому +1

    Angle of chord AB :
    tan α = 2/6 --> α = 18,43495°
    Apothem of chord AB:
    a = (3-½2).cosα = 6/√10 =1,897 cm
    Pytagorean theorem:
    (½c)²+a² = R²
    (½c)² = 3²- 3,6 = 5,4 = 3*9/5
    c = 6√3/√5 = 4,6476 cm ( Solved √ )

  • @unknownidentity2846
    @unknownidentity2846 2 дні тому +3

    Let's find the length of AB:
    .
    ..
    ...
    ....
    .....
    From the given coordinates of the points O and C we can conclude that the radius of the circle and the side length of the square turn out to be r=3 and s=6, respectively. We also can conclude that the line CP is represented by the following function:
    y = (yP − yC)*(x − xC)/(xP − xC) + yC = (2 − 0)*(x − 0)/(6 − 0) + 0 = x/3
    The circle on the other hand is represented by the following function:
    (x − xO)² + (y − yO)² = r²
    (x − 3)² + (y − 3)² = 3² = 9
    Therefore we can calculate the coordinates of the points of intersection like this:
    (x − 3)² + (y − 3)² = 9
    (x − 3)² + (x/3 − 3)² = 9
    x² − 6*x + 9 + x²/9 − 2*x + 9 = 9
    (10/9)*x² − 8*x + 9 = 0
    10*x² − 72*x + 81 = 0
    x = [72 ± √(72² − 4*10*81)]/(2*10) = [72 ± √(5184 − 3240)]/20 = (72 ± √1944)/20 = (72 ± 18√6)/20 = (36 ± 9√6)/10
    y = x/3 = (12 ± 3√6)/10
    According to the sketch we can conclude:
    xA = (36 − 9√6)/10 yA = (12 − 3√6)/10
    xB = (36 + 9√6)/10 yB = (12 + 3√6)/10
    Now we are to calculate the length of AB:
    AB² = (xB − xA)² + (yB − yA)² = (18√6/10)² + (6√6/10)² = (6√6/10)²*(3² + 1) = (3√6/5)²*10
    ⇒ AB = (3/5)*√6*√10 = (3/5)*2*√3*√5 = (6/5)√15 ≈ 4.648
    Best regards from Germany

    • @peterkrauliz5400
      @peterkrauliz5400 День тому

      That's the one, congratulations ! The example finally gives the chance to use about Analytic Geometry !

    • @peterkrauliz5400
      @peterkrauliz5400 День тому

      ....to talk about A.G.

  • @phungpham1725
    @phungpham1725 2 дні тому +1

    Alternative solution:
    Label angle PCD= alpha and OCP = beta
    We have: beta= angle OCD-alpha= 45 degrees-alpha
    --> tan (beta)= tan(45- alpha) = ((1-1/3)/(1+1/3))=1/2
    -> CM= 2OM=2d
    -> sq OM +sqCM=sqCO
    sqd+sq(2d)=sq(3sqrt2)
    5sqd=18-> sqd=18/5
    -> sqAM=9-(18/5)=27/5
    AM=sqrt(27/5)
    AB=2.(sqrt(27/5)=4.65 units😅😅😅
    Second alternative:
    Focus on the triangle CEP:
    We have: CE=6sqrt2, CP=2sqrt10, and PE=4
    So area of the triangle CPE
    = 1/2 CP.CEsin beta=12
    -> sin beta=1/ sqrt5
    -> OM/CO=d/3sqrt2=1/sqrt5
    -> d= 3.sqrt (2/5)-> sqd=18/5
    -> sqAM= 9-18/5=27/5
    AB=2. sqrt(27/5)=4.65

  • @marcgriselhubert3915
    @marcgriselhubert3915 2 дні тому +1

    We use an orthonormal center C and first axis (CD)
    The equation of the circle is(x -3)^2 + (y -3)^2 = 3^2 or x^2 + y^2 -6.x - 6.y +9 = 0
    The equation of (CD) is y = x/3. At the intersection we have x^2 + (x^2)/9 -6.x - 2.x +9 = 0 or (10/9).(x^2) -8.x + 9 = 0. Deltaprime = 16 - 10 = 6
    So x = (4 -sqrt(6))/(10/9) = (9/10).(4 - sqrt(6)) which is the abscissa of A, or x = (4 + sqrt(6))/(10/9) = (9/10).(4 + sqrt(6)) wich is the abscissa of B
    A and B are on (CD), then we have A((9/10).(4 - sqrt(6)); (3/10).(4 - sqrt(6))) and B((9/10).(4 + sqrt(6)); (3/10).(4 + sqrt(6)))
    Then VectorAB((9/10).(2.sqrt(6)); (3/10).(2.sqrt(6))) = (3/10).(2.sqrt(6)).VectorU, with VectorU(3; 1)
    Then AB = (3/10).(2.sqrt(6)).norm(VectorU) = (3/10).(2.sqrt(6).sqrt(10) = (6/5).sqrt(15).
    (The formula giving the distance point - line is not necessary here, although I use it frequently.It's only a problem of intersection circle -line)

  • @mirandak3273
    @mirandak3273 2 дні тому +2

    You didn’t set up the origin is at C. You assumed that when *solving* the equation.
    From the set up it is possible C is not the origin. It could be for instance (1, 1) or (-20, -20).
    Therefore everything you do is invalid.
    Unless you make C is the origin in the set up.

  • @spiderjump
    @spiderjump 2 дні тому +2

    solve for the coord of pts A and B using coord geometry
    (x--3)^2 + (y`--3)^2 = 3^2
    and y = 1/3x
    then use the distance formula

    • @allanflippin2453
      @allanflippin2453 2 дні тому

      Yes, I used this method as well. The mathematics are a little trickier this way, but it gives the right answer alright!

  • @montynorth3009
    @montynorth3009 2 дні тому +1

    CP = sq.rt. 2^2 + 6^2 (pythagoras)
    CP = 6.3246.
    Drop perpendicular from O to cross CP at point R and bisect CD at point S.
    RS will equal half of PD = 1.
    Therefore OR = 3 - 1 = 2.
    Triangles CDP & ORM are similar.
    So CP / 6 = OR / OM.
    6.3246 / 6 = 2 / OM.
    OM = 1.8974.
    Bisecting chord theory.
    (OM + r) (r - OM ) = AM x MB.
    (1.8974 + 3) (3 - 1.8974) = AM^2. (AM = MB)
    4.8974 x 1.1026 = AM^2.
    AM^2 = 5.4.
    AM = 2.324.
    AB = 2 x 2.324.
    AB = 4.65.

    • @soli9mana-soli4953
      @soli9mana-soli4953 2 дні тому

      Why CDP and ORM are similar?

    • @montynorth3009
      @montynorth3009 2 дні тому +1

      @@soli9mana-soli4953
      Let angle CPD = alpha.
      Then angle CRS = alpha ( PD // RS.)
      Then angle ORM = alpha. (directly opposite.)
      The other acute angles in both triangles are 90 minus alpha.

    • @soli9mana-soli4953
      @soli9mana-soli4953 2 дні тому +1

      @@montynorth3009thank you, I saw

  • @lasalleman6792
    @lasalleman6792 2 дні тому

    Draw a line from O to C. Distance works out to 4. 2626 at 45 degrees. Find angle PCD which is 18.43. Subtract from 45 degrees. Leaves angle OCM of 26.57 degrees. Find the sine of OC which turns out to be d = 1.9066. Then just use the general chord formula . I use: chord length = 2 × √(r2 − d2) = 4.6324 Pretty close to suggested solution here. Keep everything simple as you can, I always say. Yeah, the suggested solution procedure is elegant, but it's time-consuming.

  • @scottdort7197
    @scottdort7197 2 дні тому

    Draw a line from circle center down, vertical to the bottom of the square. That wine will be two units above the diagonal line and one unit below it. Then draw a line from circle center to the diagonal line. This will give you a right triangle with the hypotenuse being 2 in the longside being X and the short side being X/3. Solving for Pythagoras that yields X equal to 3 *sqrt(2/5). This sets up another Pythagorean triangle with the hypotenuse being 3. Then all you need to do is solve for the unknown member which will yield. 3*sqrt(15)/5. Multiply that times two and you get your solution which in approximated decimal format is 4.65.

  • @stephenthompson3418
    @stephenthompson3418 2 дні тому +3

    Point C as the origin was not given in the problem.

    • @rajatdogra96
      @rajatdogra96 2 дні тому +1

      Assuming c as origin

    • @smaari
      @smaari 2 дні тому

      You're absolutely right-this problem would have been easy to solve if the initial drawing had indicated the side length of the square as 6 units or provided the coordinates of point C as (0,0).

    • @albertomontori2863
      @albertomontori2863 День тому

      you have to determine it yourself 😅 it's not that difficult to use your brain,come on!!

  • @nandisaand5287
    @nandisaand5287 2 дні тому

    The circle eqn is:
    (X-3)²+(Y-3)²=9
    Plug X/3 in for Y, and solve for X.
    After lots of Algebraic calcs (including quadratic eqn) we find
    X=1.4 & 5.8
    Plugging back into Y=X/3, we get coordinates of A, B:
    A (1.4, 0.467)
    B (5.8, 1.93)
    Enter Mr Pythagoras:
    (AB)²=(5.8-1.4)² + (1.93-0.467)²
    AB=4.64

  • @aljawad
    @aljawad 2 дні тому

    After obtaining the equation of the line CP, I proceeded to equate it to the equation of the circle to obtain the XY coordinates of points A & B to find the displacement between them.

  • @adept7474
    @adept7474 2 дні тому

    tg(∠PCD) = 1/3. tg(∠OCD) = 1. tg(∠OCP) = 1/2. OM = x. In ▲OCM: x² + (2x)² = (6/√2)². x² = 18/5.
    In ▲AOM: AM = √(3² - 18/5) = 3√3/√5. AB = 6√3/√5 = 6√15/5.

  • @santiagoarosam430
    @santiagoarosam430 2 дні тому

    El radio es 3; M es el punto medio de AB y ésta corta el diámetro vertical en G ---> CP =√(6²+2²) =2√10 ---> Razón de semejanza entre GMO y PDC =s =OG/CP =[3-(2/2)]/2√10=√10/10---> MO=6s=3√10/5 ---> Potencia de M respecto a la circunferencia =AM²=[3-(3√10/5)]*[3+(3√10/5)]---> AM =3√15/5---> AB=2*AM =6√15/5.
    Gracias y saludos

  • @robertlynch7520
    @robertlynch7520 2 дні тому

    Well ... then there is the line-intersects-circle method, converting the center of the circle to (0, 0)
    y = x/3 - 2. is the line of the AB diagonal
    y² = 3² - x² ... is the circle itself
    square the first formula, and make it equal to the second ...
    x²/9 - 4x/3 + 4 = 9 - x². ... then rearrange the bits and normalize to non-fractional
    10x² - 12x - 45 = 0
    Solve the quadratic the usual way. x = [2.8045, -1.6045). and plug those in
    to get the pair of y's. y = [-1.0652, -2.5348]
    There we go. Now pythagoras of the 'delta x, delta y' to get the AB length
    AB = √( (2.8045 + 1.6045)² + (-1.0652 + 2.5348)² )
    AB = 4.6475
    Which is the same answer as The Professor's.

  • @phungpham1725
    @phungpham1725 2 дні тому

    1/ Draw the diameter RS//CD and intersects CP at point T.
    We have PS= 1-> ST= 3 ( slope= 1/3😊)
    2/ Focus on the triangle OMT.
    sq OM=sqOT-sqMT
    Because of similarity, OM= MT/3
    --> sqd+sq(3d)=sq6
    10sqd= 36-> sqd=36/10
    -> sq AM =9-36/10=54/10
    AM = 3.sqrt (3/5)
    AB = 6. sqrt(3/5)=4.65😅😅😅

  • @michaeldoerr5810
    @michaeldoerr5810 День тому

    The answer is [6*sqrt(15)]/5. And golly that is a really clever use of coordinate and plane geometry. I shall use that for practice!!!

  • @Birol731
    @Birol731 2 дні тому

    My way of solution ▶
    The equation of this circle is:
    (y-y₀)²+(x-x₀)²= r²
    here is r= 3
    y₀= 3
    x₀= 3

    (y-3)²+(x-3)²= 9
    The equation of the linear graph:
    y= ax
    f(2)= 6
    x= 6, y= 2

    2= 6a
    a= 1/3

    y= x/3
    ii) Let's find the points where the graph touches the circle
    y= x/3
    and
    (y-3)²+(x-3)²= 9
    (x/3 -3)²+(x-3)²= 9
    (x-9)²/9 + x²-6x+x²= 9
    10x²-72x+81=0

    x₁= 1,3954 ;
    y₁= 0,4651
    y₂= 5,5348
    and,
    x₂= 5,8045 ;
    y₁= 4,0653
    y₂= 1,9347

    x₁= 1,3954 ; y₁= 0,4651 and
    x₂= 5,8045 ; y₂= 1,9347
    According to the Pythagoras theorem:
    [AB]²= (Δx)²+(Δy)²
    Δx= 5,8045 - 1,3954
    Δx= 4,4091
    Δy= 1,9347 - 0,4651
    Δy= 1,4696

    [AB]= √4,4091²+1,4696²
    [AB]= √21,599...
    [AB]= 4,64756 length units

  • @danmike2305
    @danmike2305 2 дні тому

    Another mind using problem.

  • @elizabethlasseter609
    @elizabethlasseter609 День тому

    How do you know that point C is the origin?

  • @josephsalinas6725
    @josephsalinas6725 2 дні тому

    Professor, eu calculei a equação da circunferência, depois calculei a equação da reta, fiz a intersecção entre a circunferência e a reta, encontrei os pontos e depois calculei a distância entre os dois pontos. Show !!!!

  • @LuisdeBritoCamacho
    @LuisdeBritoCamacho 2 дні тому

    ALTERNATE SOLUTION :
    01) Using the Distance from Point O : (3 ; 3) to a Straight Line CP.
    02) Area of Triangle [CDP) = 6 * 2 / 2 = 12 / 2 = 6 sq un
    03) Line CP Length = sqrt(4 + 36) = sqrt(40) = 2sqrt(10)
    04) d(O , CP) = h
    05) Area of Triangle [CDP] = (h * 2qrt(10)) / 2 = 6
    06) 6 = h * sqrt(10)
    07) h = 6 / sqrt(10)
    08) h = 6sqrt(10) / 10 ; h = 3sqrt(10) / 5
    09) h ~ 1,897
    10) 3 + 1,9 = 4,897
    11) 3 - 1,9 = 1,1026
    12) X * X = 4,897 * 1,1026. X = MA = MB ; being M the Middle Point from A and B.
    13) X^2 = 5,39943
    14) X = sqrt(5,39943)
    15) AB = 2X = 2 * sqrt(5,329)
    16) AB ~ 4,647 Linear Units

  • @giuseppemalaguti435
    @giuseppemalaguti435 2 дні тому

    R=3???..h=√18sin(45-arctg2/6)=6/√10....AB=2√(9-36/10)=2√5,4=4,64758..

  • @LuisdeBritoCamacho
    @LuisdeBritoCamacho 2 дні тому

    STEP-BY-STEP RESOLUTION PROPOSAL :
    01) Green Circle Equation : (X - 3)^2 + (Y - 3)^2 = 9
    02) CP Straight Line Equation : Y = X / 3. Slope : m = 2 / 6 = 1 / 3
    03) Calculating the Coordinates of the two intercepting Points, A and B :
    04) (X - 3)^2 + (X/3 - 3)^2 = 9
    05) Two Real Solutions :
    a) X = 1,39546 and Y = 0,46515
    b) X = 5,80454 and Y = 1,93485
    06) Distance from A to B : d(A, B) = 4,64758 lin un. Using "Distance Formula" in Wolfram Alpha!!
    Therefore,
    OUR BEST ANSWER IS :
    Line AB Length equal to approx. 4,65 Linear Units.

  • @Irishfan
    @Irishfan 2 дні тому

    Funny, I got 4.6467 inches. When converting, that would be 11.8026 cm.

  • @balhimadri
    @balhimadri 2 дні тому

    This is actually not Premath. This is higher maths.

    • @Irishfan
      @Irishfan 2 дні тому

      It's good though!

  • @wackojacko3962
    @wackojacko3962 2 дні тому

    I must be a genius because it took centuries for people to come up with the ideas to solve problems like this. I solved in less than ten minutes. I didn't solve it cuz I needed to apply to some tangible things in this world. That would would've bored me half to death. Nope, I solved because it's an escape from the chaos of reality to a world that doesn't really exist. Not easy, but more fun! 🙂

    • @phungpham1725
      @phungpham1725 2 дні тому +1

      😊

    • @Irishfan
      @Irishfan 2 дні тому +1

      Now that you solved it, go treat yourself to an Ice cream cone.

    • @jyotsanabenpanchal7271
      @jyotsanabenpanchal7271 День тому +1

      @@wackojacko3962Now that you have solved it, can you tell me how one can prove that point c must have the co ordinate(0,0)?

    • @wackojacko3962
      @wackojacko3962 День тому

      Well, I can say proving that it doesn't exist is irrational. 🙂

  • @Irishfan
    @Irishfan 2 дні тому

    I don't like working in terms of square roots. They are meaningless when you are trying to find length, distance, or area. Nobody cuts a board to 5 × square root of 3. Or drives 5 × square root of 2 miles. You dont buy a square root of 5 acres. Also, doing these problems it is more likely outside of the school classroom you will use a calculator, and even if you input a number with the square root symbol, your answer will be in decimal form. Therefore I like to work in decimal form using the numbers carried out as many decimal places as the calculator will let me and in my final answer round off to the nearest decimal of the accuracy required for what I am trying to find.

  • @bramont6225
    @bramont6225 2 дні тому

    Gracias señor bonito ejercicio