Should the guests to Rank Tier 1 Top 5 Sas, cag, etc because he is one of not many who could say who is number 1 and its all good rivalry to get number 1 slot 😉 ps interview SAS ssgt Ben Garwood
Not that I'm losing sleep about this David,but as a former Londoner born& raised,but with Irish Parents,who has lived in the US for nearly 24 yrs.. U have to be careful with language & descriptions.( u read the comments and certain listeners get very irritated about this type of thing! U have the British Army ( Navy or Airforce)which is made up of English,Scots,Welsh, and Northern Ireland..( They only separate them when u have certain Sporting events like football ( Soccer) Rugby and other sports,,Of course when u have the Olympics then they compete under the UK 's Union Jack) P,s But the way things are going over in the UK, I really think this should be the least of their concerns..
Yeah , damnit Dave 👆👆👆 what Jerry said lol gotta be careful what you say Dave are you gonna be okay Jerry should we call someone in charge, I got it we'll write a letter so that this kinda thing never happens again
I once asked a retired SAS solider if he had worked with US special forces and he said yes... he had worked with Delta and Seals and I asked what the difference was. He looked at me dead in the eye and held up the mug of tea I had given him and said, "the Delta boys took three weeks to make this level of brew. The Seals are so up themselves they will never try to make you a brew"
That made me think of the "you're only as strong as your weakest link" thing- you're not in the SAS if you're a weak link. Any of them are going to be in a position to put forward a good idea or they wouldn't have the opportunity to offer it.
@@markd1328 My brother in law was SAS for many years. Over a beer one night and a frustrating day with my unit. I'd finished a rant about a wanker I'd had to tolerate for a couple of hours that day and just said, "You wouldn't understand, where you sit you don't get wankers". He surprised me by saying, "Oh believe me, we do. It's just that by process of elimination we get fewer than any other unit has to suffer". That was back in the 70's. I suspect the same still stands.
I as a British citizen, born and bred would to extend my grateful thanks to your complement to our SAS, and offer my gratitude to you for Your services too, Semper Fi brother, ✊️🇺🇸🙂
What makes the British SF different, Is that most of them have already served several years in their Parent Battalions so are generally NCOs and are the best of their Parent Unit but are bored stupid with normal Garrison duties so go for Selection.
Of course GROM are good. They are modelled after and trained by Britsih SAS. They have a very similar origin story to Delta force. They came to the UK and partook in some training.
@@eriklarsson3188British are the pioneers of the SF started in 1941 ww2. All SF other countries the British trained then including the Germans. The Brits are the original greats
“The pen is mightier than the sword” - so the saying goes. And that’s what makes the SAS special. They combine nerdy levels of study, analysis and rehearsals before going in kicking down doors.
As a English man it’s British people not English we got the welsh Scottish and Irish all submerged together that makes us the best soldiers in the world
I learned deliberate entry came from the Brit’s. Good way to be in a tactical environment. America was all about being loud, moving fast, aggression. It did work, but using deliberate entry (imo) can result in less reckless actions and lower casualty to kill ratios.
The difference with the SAS is the unparalleled experience that this unit carries in it's decision making and planning. They have done some f ups for sure, but their f up to win ratio speaks for itself and is due to their accumulated experience that is passed down from trooper to trooper etc.
Totally agree, But SBS are No Slouch! Yanks carp on about their Seal Team 6 and others but; recent documentary evidence proves the SAS/SBS effectivness!!!
@@joesgotya9930He's basically saying that the SAS make relatively few mistakes (considering the environment in which they operate) but they tend to learn from those mistakes.
South African Special Forces works the same way. There will be a Recce first, brainstorm, and then decide which equipment to take, then practice the raid and then go in. There will be 3 or 4 pick-up points in case of escape and evation.
GROM from the 90s and GROM of today are two different animals when it comes to equipment, capabilities, combat experience, training, personnel. Now they are a part of a separate military branch of the Polish Armed Forces, Polish Special Forces. This branch also includes units like Military Commando Unit (sort of like US Green Berets), Military Unit AGAT (similar to 75th Ranger Regiment), Military Unit FORMOZA (Navy SF), Military Unit NIL (intel and support unit for Polish Special Forces) and Special Operations Aviation Unit. The main focus of GROM ops is CT, HR but that's not all. Wars in the Balkans, Afghanistan, Iraq, missions to Haiti, Central Asia, Africa and God knows where else have made GROM to be one of the most experienced and deadly SOF units in the world.
My ex-missus' father flew Short Skyvans in Oman in the 70's. Oddly, my Lodger's father was flown around by him. I earwigged a convo between them and my father who was RMC in WWII. Stone cold. Scary men. And quiet.
Yeah the Americans would say in WW2 'the Brits only fight battles that they think they can win' like that was bad thing lol. And unfortunately Americans still have that thinking, like in Afghanistan IED's were the number one killer of troops, so the British only marched in single file with a guy at the front with a metal detector, while Americans would march horizontally. The Americans are tough no doubt but there biggest strength is also their biggest weakness is the whole hard headed John Wayne bravado shit.
Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on side,,, both American and Russian armies,, have countless cannon fodder,,, smaller armies like the UK and Ukraine have to do more, successfully,, with less resources,
I know, it irritates the F out of me. I'm from the highlands, ex RM 45 Commando and I have to listen to people calling the UK 'England'. However, I'm sure its genuine ignorance.
Try trying to explain to certain Yanks when you've got a few English squaddies, a Scottish one and me as the Welsh one that your British Army after they've asked you what country your from.
@@df9177 I know, but its not my problem if they have an issue with geography. Its important to point out to people that Britain is not called England. I always correct them.
@@stewartmackay You have the same surname as me, mate. How many times have you spelt it out to someone - outside of Scotland - and they do not listen? Although, if you say "MA...CK...AY", they get it right 75% of the time. So, continue to correct people and it will sink in, eventually. Hopefully.
British SF have always done it that way, the “Chinese Parliament”, and they want everyone’s opinion who is on the operation to come up with a plan and to contribute. It’s not “the boss says this is how we do it” because he’s not on the operation, he’s not the one in danger, so it’s the ones who are gonna be in harms way who know their capabilities that plan everything out and will almost always have the backing of the people in charge. It’s the smartest way of doing things. Like he said here about doing an operation in broad daylight with little to no sleep being more dangerous than getting 4/5/6 hours sleep, going later when it’s a little darker etc. making more sense. If it came from the top they’d just say “do it” with no thought for the safety and operational capacity of the boots on the ground
Everyone says they'll never use their mathematics (I'm Danish, keep me out of the math Vs maths thing) outside school - nah ok but on the simpler end of it, knowing how to break down and show your working out can be priceless. It can mean the guy next to you is there next time. Or it can mean he doesn't have to visit your loved ones with cap in hand.
Officers go for SAS sele tion. During that time they are requested to provide brievings for opertons. 6 plans are disected by NCO's within the SAS. Thats why they are so good
Although not recognised anymore under their original name the Seleous Scouts were SAS level Special Forces who could survive with a weapon and a knife. Feed and water themselves from absolutely nothing and cover marathon distances during the day and night.All in shorts and sandals.The forgotten SAS.
Please, please: as half Welshman, please stop calling the British Army "English" - it really, REALLY annoys the Irish, Scots, Welsh, Cornish (and since I live on the Isle of Man, Manx) 😁 BRITISH
And every English person who doesn't speak with a plummy accent, who has their accent described as "You don't sound British,". The Scots, Welsh and Irish (N) have their own 'thing'. The rest of us are 'British' or "Do you live near London?".
I suggest you make your peace with it. Do you call the Russian army the Russian army, or the 'army of federated republics of Russia', afterall you wouldn't want to offend the ethnic mordvins or kalmyks...
@@FenristhegreatThere is no such thing as an English Army - does not exist. It is the British Army. "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" is the full country name to match your Russian analogy. It would be like calling the Russian Army the Mordvins Army.
I heard one of the TV SAS guys (I think it was Billy Billingham from SAS are you tough enough) what's the difference between US and UK special forces? He said the US have one guy to hold the gun, one guy to load the gun and one guy to fire the gun but the UK has one guy to do it all. Basically most US sf have many specialists but the UK don't have the same numbers so are Jack of all trades.
Seems a LOT of the SAS are from Scotland. Hard, nasty hooligans they are. I always say a foreign invader would have to be insane to invade the UK because of the fighting bloody mindedness of the Scottish, Welsh and Irish. And add in the Geordies, Scousers, Yorkshiremen, Brummies and Londoners you have a whole load of trouble. Another of the main reasons the British Army are so good is the weather and the terrain- it makes for very tough soldiers.
Everyone has forgotten about the 80s recce. South African recce. Operating for weeks behind enemy lines in African Bush. Mosquito and Croc and elephant and then only the enemy
The Chinese Parliament is a based on the older idead Aufstragtaktik - mission-based command in which you trust the troops to make the right decisions. Militaries that are heavy top-down don't get - including the US. The SAS, because of their unique history, were born with it, as were the more egalitarian colonies of the British Empire (NZ, Aus, SF).
Rules of Engagement for British soldiers,If were dropped and wounded by enemy fire we stay where we are and hopefully don't start screaming medic and if our forces are advancing prepare ourselves to be left behind,so we don't lose medics under enemy fire while trying to attend to the wounded and putting other lives in danger.
There is a philosophical difference. British and Commonwealth forces are what's called NCO-led armies. The officers do the broad mission planning, but in the field its the experienced Warrant Officers who lead the men. Just getting into the SAS is a feat in itself and there is huge respect within their ranks. When an officer joins, he is busted down to private again. And you only earn promotion through active combat duty. You are constantly being assessed and if you become a risk, you are RTU's o returned to unit. It's no shame as the standards as so high. But if you reach WO in the SAS, there would not be 20 other soldiers in the world who would be as good as you. THese guys are often picked for dangerous solo missions with low likihood of success.
Well said , glad you mentioned that . The former SAS soldiers lucky enough to appear in these videos on YT are the lucky ones , those that survived . We may never know about those that were unfortunately killed in action , on secret missions.
We are the Pilgrims, master; we shall go Always a little further; it may be Beyond that last blue mountain barred with snow Across that angry or that glimmering sea, White on a throne or guarded in a cave There lies a prophet who can understand Why men were born: but surely we are brave, Who take the Golden Road to Samarkand. James Elroy Flecker
You ask if there is one group that impresses, you say England. You disrespect the other Nations of the UK. In one off the cuff ignorant remark you discount the many thousands of Scots Welsh and Northern Irish who fought and died. There is no such thing as an English army, and in fact it’s commonly thought that around 80% of the SAS is in fact made up of Scots. If you’re going to comment on these things, get you facts right. If you don’t even know such basics as there’s no such thing as the English army, why should anyone pay any attention to anything else you say?
Sorry, as an Englishman, I don't agree there is any disrespect. The guy is an American(Oops, did I offend a Canadian) so give the guy some slack. No offence is meant so none should be taken. I often say England out of habit, when I really mean UK and it's usually the Scot's that pull me up on it, nevertheless accepting the fact that this is typical English behaviour and no offence is meant. I will agree though that I am ignorant.
The army, navy and air force are British, it's a strange thing in these islands but as much as we fight and squabble amongst ourselves the British forces are a mix of everyone and better for it
Because he knows how it is when Americans say "I am ", often never having been in the country and not speaking the language. He is just making fun of himself. Good attitude.
Sad tho really the uk used to have the best army, navy, tanks, airforce, artilery, special forces etc. but now only really has the best elite special forces.
As I said, the SAS are the daddy. I have worked with members and I have trained US Marines. The regiment are just on a different level of competence and flexibility. BTW this gentleman has very little ego. Salutations from Belfast Northern Ireland 🇬🇧
Don't be annoying. Also, you are talking about ego but you seem to have a big one yourself. Sure the SAS is great, but so are the other Tier 01 units, and that's why the special operation forces world is so cool. You should try to learn about all of them, and have the proper respect for each one, like the operators themselves have ( as you can see by the interviews ).
@@Justopenminded67 . I said that I trained US Marines! I said I worked with Regiment members. Oh and ex members. Please read again and digest I was a member of the Royal Ulster Constabulary. I served in Northern Ireland. As for why I was training US marines. Thst is a different story. BTW I have never met more respectful and eager to learn military than said marines. Furthermore what the 22 lads said about CAG and SF was this. CAG- They are like us, but have too much reliance on kit and huge support. We do the job with what we got. SF- Nice blokes, but too reliant on being told what to do and no where close to CAG in skills.
@@Abefroman-lq3md about US marines, there are different levels to them,coventional marines, the marine expeditionary force, marine recon, force recon and marine raiders, could u tells us which one u trained and in which skillset. I know I'm sounding arrogant but there are different levels to US marines which I find very interesting 😅
@@LeDiamondDog yep swcc, navy eod, sarcs, navy intelligence guys, commo guys, marine raiders can also do direct support, navy dog dandlers do direct support and some technical specialty MOS guys can also apply for Dev
Remember sas sbs no nods vision no lazer point i can go on and on let your eyes adapt but if they hit u they hit you f,....g hard ! Love my forces 💯🇬🇧and also are cousin's New Zealand 🇳🇿 Australia 🇦🇺 and the USA 🇺🇸 ❤💯💯💯fighting men 💪
Not sure which person said it on a youtube video but they said SAS are a domestic SF and only now have they got better at combat role's abroad in warzone really made me laugh clearly they know nothing and didn't know where and how the SAS first started originally L Detachment, Special Air Service Brigade but you know some people 🤣
Polish GROM (the GROM Military Unit or Jednostka Wojskowa GROM) is tier one SMU & primary CT/HR military force back there in Poland, just like 22 SAS in the UK. GROM characteristics place them somewhere between 22 SAS and Delta; closer to 22 SAS in terms of their mindset, mission, tasks or capabilities, and to Delta in terms of unit organisation. They both, 22 SAS and Delta, were deeply involved in the creation of GROM in the early 1990s (TTP, weapons & equipment, first selection, training and later ops), so they stick together to this day. Btw, the Polish equivalent to US Green Berets are the Commandos (the Commandos Military Unit or Jednostka Wojskowa Komandosów), and the equivalent to SBS & Navy SEALs is Formoza (the Formoza Military Unit or Jednostka Wojskowa Formoza). All of them are under the control of POL SOCOM in the Special Forces Branch within the Polish Armed Forces.
"GROM characteristics place them somewhere between 22 SAS and Delta; closer to 22 SAS in terms of their mindset, mission, tasks or capabilities, and to Delta in terms of unit organisation." - given that Delta organisation is modelled after 22 SAS (as are other aspects like selection), what is different between the organisation of 22 and Delta that places GROM closer to Delta?
@@Dr.Ian-Plect Take a look at the unit organisation from the level of the squadron downwards. Genarally, a sabre squadron in Delta is fairly homogeneous in terms of structure and purpose. At the same time, 22 SAS sabre squadrons are "shredded" with specific specialities (see the Air, Boat, Mountain and Mobility troops). Numbers vary too, and start with a 4-pax patrol in 22 SAS vs. 6-pax section in Delta. That’s why I said GROM organisation is closer to Delta. The rest is more like 22 SAS.
@@Dr.Ian-Plect (1) "Given that Delta organisation is modelled after 22 SAS (as are other aspects like selection)...” - 'modelled' doesn’t mean 'exactly the same'; I adressed the basic differences in the unit organisation between Delta and 22 SAS in my answer to your first question. (2) "...what is different between the organisation of 22 and Delta…” - again, see my answer to your previous question. (3) "...that places GROM closer to Delta?” - as I said in my main comment: GROM characteristics place them closer to 22 SAS in terms of their mindset, mission, tasks or capabilities, and to Delta in terms of unit organisation. Which means that the mindset, mission, tasks or capabilities of GROM are similar to those of 22 SAS, and that the unit organisation of GROM is similar to the oganisation of Delta. I thought it was self-explanatory.
Just saw Shreks 3+ hours interview, he said same thing about funding when it comes to comparing delta and australian sf. He said we all basically the same in skill, its just americans have insane funding, hence are better. Kind of like one has hk rifles, another one has to use a shovel. OR delta has sattelite phones, australians, grom has to send a pigeon haha
@@CJ0101 from my understanding zero UKSF guys on the internet has ever mentioned 160th night stalkers because most of them let their egos control them and they never mention support stuff which did everything for them. Unlike them US guys tend to praise the support side of things which tells me that most UKSF on the internet are heavily biased to their formal unit
Remember the sas was started by a Scots man and the soldiers like mad paddy Mayne a Irish man there are welsh Canadian and new Zealand and Australia and some i have missed in the sas so when you say English you are disrespecting the other countries but i think if you were in the sas you wouldn't give a rats arse
@@hieronymusjacabusprincepso5060 of course they do. If you’re thick you don’t get into the SAS. But they do what the King’s Government asks them to do. And they don’t die easily. There is always a price
Chinese parliament, every trooper gets a say in the decision making process. It's not the same as it used to be though, you get interference from above now!
We need to understand one thing, doesn't matter if your SAS, paras, marines or boy scout, gir guides if there's sniper looking down is rifle your fucked, no matter how long the training, where you train, in time it will just be a drownes and nuclear means nothing at all what company your in
@@MyFluffyClouds no one said they are perfect or angels. These are the most aggressive highly trained men on earth. And as the Taliban mix in with civilians it’s rather he said, she said. Bit like the Hamas scum
@@oguerrero031280 A job doesn’t determine anybody’s mindset. You can be a baby sitter or a therapist after a decade of fighting wars as a tier one SMU operator, e.g. cos you got tired and decided to do something entirely different. Or you failed a selection due to medical drop. Or you’re too old. Or got wounded and unable to keep the pace as a door kicker. Many reasons, but none of them necessarily comes from the lack of the action mindset.
The SAS is over. You can be fit, but you wont be fit enough to outrun a drone. Going behind the lines or in patrol in modern drone warfare is suicide. They are obsolete. Drone food.
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Should the guests to Rank Tier 1 Top 5 Sas, cag, etc because he is one of not many who could say who is number 1 and its all good rivalry to get number 1 slot 😉 ps interview SAS ssgt Ben Garwood
Hey Dave how hard would it be to get Christian Craighead "Obi-Wan Nairobi" just out of curiosity ?
Not that I'm losing sleep about this David,but as a former Londoner born& raised,but with Irish Parents,who has lived in the US for nearly 24 yrs.. U have to be careful with language & descriptions.( u read the comments and certain listeners get very irritated about this type of thing!
U have the British Army ( Navy or Airforce)which is made up of English,Scots,Welsh, and Northern Ireland..( They only separate them when u have certain Sporting events like football ( Soccer) Rugby and other sports,,Of course when u have the Olympics then they compete under the UK 's Union Jack)
P,s But the way things are going over in the UK, I really think this should be the least of their concerns..
Yeah , damnit Dave 👆👆👆 what Jerry said lol gotta be careful what you say Dave are you gonna be okay Jerry should we call someone in charge, I got it we'll write a letter so that this kinda thing never happens again
@@kilonovx-ray9382 It might sound petty,but it w/b like referring to US Army (Navy or Air force) as the Washington or Californian Military..
I once asked a retired SAS solider if he had worked with US special forces and he said yes... he had worked with Delta and Seals and I asked what the difference was.
He looked at me dead in the eye and held up the mug of tea I had given him and said, "the Delta boys took three weeks to make this level of brew. The Seals are so up themselves they will never try to make you a brew"
That is bullshit....he was either taking the piss or he was lying 🤥
@@seenbyme6696 or maybe the story is not true
Never happened your talking utter shit
@@seenbyme6696it's called humour....
@@seenbyme6696maybe it was his real experience
It’s called a Chinese parliament & every member of the SAS squad has a say and good ideas are good ideas be it from an officer or a trooper.
It was the SAS that invented that.
That made me think of the "you're only as strong as your weakest link" thing- you're not in the SAS if you're a weak link. Any of them are going to be in a position to put forward a good idea or they wouldn't have the opportunity to offer it.
@@bobbobertbobberton1073 actually the “Eidgenossen” had this decision making process already since the 14th century!
@@markd1328 My brother in law was SAS for many years. Over a beer one night and a frustrating day with my unit. I'd finished a rant about a wanker I'd had to tolerate for a couple of hours that day and just said, "You wouldn't understand, where you sit you don't get wankers". He surprised me by saying, "Oh believe me, we do. It's just that by process of elimination we get fewer than any other unit has to suffer". That was back in the 70's. I suspect the same still stands.
@@Scaleyback317there's good and bad in all walks of life.
I love the respect and admiration our forces have for each other 🇬🇧🤝🇺🇸
I as a British citizen, born and bred would to extend my grateful thanks to your complement to our SAS, and offer my gratitude to you for Your services too, Semper Fi brother, ✊️🇺🇸🙂
What makes the British SF different, Is that most of them have already served several years in their Parent Battalions so are generally NCOs and are the best of their Parent Unit but are bored stupid with normal Garrison duties so go for Selection.
Same with Delta and GROM. No difference in this aspect.
@@robbas_krk1510Aye because Delta directly based on SAS
And good at hiding mars bar's on the Brecon Beacons 🏴
@@peterarmstrong6928 Under every rock is a mars bar or snickers ;-)
The SAS squadies are EXPECTED to think for themselves, and make their own decisions! Not just follow orders.
The GROM operators were another level all together as well. 🌴 'fearsome' is a good adjective. 🌴
Of course GROM are good. They are modelled after and trained by Britsih SAS. They have a very similar origin story to Delta force. They came to the UK and partook in some training.
What wars have they fought in, any famous missions?
They are all based on German special forces from WWII. No one _ever_ points that out.
@@eriklarsson3188British are the pioneers of the SF started in 1941 ww2. All SF other countries the British trained then including the Germans. The Brits are the original greats
I like this guy, very humble for an american ;)
Many are,don't believe what u here& see in the MSM or Hollywood!
“The pen is mightier than the sword” - so the saying goes. And that’s what makes the SAS special. They combine nerdy levels of study, analysis and rehearsals before going in kicking down doors.
SAS AND SBS end of 💪🏻
Small but mighty.
British mate, us English are only a part of it.
I agree, as an Englishman when I joined up I learnt lots of new languages Jock, Welsh and Geordie being just a few.
SAS was created by a Scot and lead by an Irish man
SAS are the most famous secret organisation in the world for a reason!
There are more secret special forces in Britain that not many people know of who are apparently the most brutal soldiers on the planet .
@@liamhennelly3961Do you mean E Squadron? 😏 Formerly known as the “Increment” Those boys!!!
@@moggers51yep the Increment I agree.
As a English man it’s British people not English we got the welsh Scottish and Irish all submerged together that makes us the best soldiers in the world
Submerged? Must be the SBS then.
I learned deliberate entry came from the Brit’s. Good way to be in a tactical environment.
America was all about being loud, moving fast, aggression. It did work, but using deliberate entry (imo) can result in less reckless actions and lower casualty to kill ratios.
The difference with the SAS is the unparalleled experience that this unit carries in it's decision making and planning. They have done some f ups for sure, but their f up to win ratio speaks for itself and is due to their accumulated experience that is passed down from trooper to trooper etc.
You have no clue what you are talking about. The SAS is not unparalleled in making decisions and planning to JSOC.. Not even fucking close.
That makes absolutely no sense
Totally agree, But SBS are No Slouch! Yanks carp on about their Seal Team 6 and others but; recent documentary evidence proves the SAS/SBS effectivness!!!
@@timhannah4 have you got links to these docos?
@@joesgotya9930He's basically saying that the SAS make relatively few mistakes (considering the environment in which they operate) but they tend to learn from those mistakes.
As an English man I mean this with all my heart when it comes to our countries militaries your our brothers in arms 🇺🇸🇬🇧
As an englishman, I would not trust any yank armed force as far as I could spit.
@@ianfinney7820 I concur!
Thank you for your service sir from the uk
South African Special Forces works the same way. There will be a Recce first, brainstorm, and then decide which equipment to take, then practice the raid and then go in. There will be 3 or 4 pick-up points in case of escape and evation.
South African SF is not at all what it used to be. Tragic really.
Their Rep and regular activity for over a hundred yrs has of course developed some top draw fighters!
Nope..
GROM from the 90s and GROM of today are two different animals when it comes to equipment, capabilities, combat experience, training, personnel. Now they are a part of a separate military branch of the Polish Armed Forces, Polish Special Forces. This branch also includes units like Military Commando Unit (sort of like US Green Berets), Military Unit AGAT (similar to 75th Ranger Regiment), Military Unit FORMOZA (Navy SF), Military Unit NIL (intel and support unit for Polish Special Forces) and Special Operations Aviation Unit. The main focus of GROM ops is CT, HR but that's not all. Wars in the Balkans, Afghanistan, Iraq, missions to Haiti, Central Asia, Africa and God knows where else have made GROM to be one of the most experienced and deadly SOF units in the world.
The Green Beret's primary mission is to go to foreign countries and stand up revel armies. There's no other group like them in the world
My ex-missus' father flew Short Skyvans in Oman in the 70's. Oddly, my Lodger's father was flown around by him. I earwigged a convo between them and my father who was RMC in WWII. Stone cold. Scary men. And quiet.
Yeah the Americans would say in WW2 'the Brits only fight battles that they think they can win' like that was bad thing lol. And unfortunately Americans still have that thinking, like in Afghanistan IED's were the number one killer of troops, so the British only marched in single file with a guy at the front with a metal detector, while Americans would march horizontally. The Americans are tough no doubt but there biggest strength is also their biggest weakness is the whole hard headed John Wayne bravado shit.
Thank you!
Absolute truth.
Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on side,,, both American and Russian armies,, have countless cannon fodder,,, smaller armies like the UK and Ukraine have to do more, successfully,, with less resources,
british army, not english ffs
I know, it irritates the F out of me. I'm from the highlands, ex RM 45 Commando and I have to listen to people calling the UK 'England'. However, I'm sure its genuine ignorance.
@@stewartmackay yeah they’re not the sharpest knife in the rack the yanks
Try trying to explain to certain Yanks when you've got a few English squaddies, a Scottish one and me as the Welsh one that your British Army after they've asked you what country your from.
@@df9177 I know, but its not my problem if they have an issue with geography. Its important to point out to people that Britain is not called England. I always correct them.
@@stewartmackay You have the same surname as me, mate. How many times have you spelt it out to someone - outside of Scotland - and they do not listen?
Although, if you say "MA...CK...AY", they get it right 75% of the time.
So, continue to correct people and it will sink in, eventually. Hopefully.
British SF have always done it that way, the “Chinese Parliament”, and they want everyone’s opinion who is on the operation to come up with a plan and to contribute. It’s not “the boss says this is how we do it” because he’s not on the operation, he’s not the one in danger, so it’s the ones who are gonna be in harms way who know their capabilities that plan everything out and will almost always have the backing of the people in charge.
It’s the smartest way of doing things. Like he said here about doing an operation in broad daylight with little to no sleep being more dangerous than getting 4/5/6 hours sleep, going later when it’s a little darker etc. making more sense. If it came from the top they’d just say “do it” with no thought for the safety and operational capacity of the boots on the ground
Everyone says they'll never use their mathematics (I'm Danish, keep me out of the math Vs maths thing) outside school - nah ok but on the simpler end of it, knowing how to break down and show your working out can be priceless. It can mean the guy next to you is there next time. Or it can mean he doesn't have to visit your loved ones with cap in hand.
When your see shadows moving along the wall holding cups of tea you know somebody had fuc*ed up.
😂
In fact never mess with a Brit and their tea 🍵 and especially never screw with the sas and their brew kit. Wise words.
😂😂😂😂
Officers go for SAS sele tion. During that time they are requested to provide brievings for opertons. 6 plans are disected by NCO's within the SAS. Thats why they are so good
Yeah a considered reply.
Although not recognised anymore under their original name the Seleous Scouts were SAS level Special Forces who could survive with a weapon and a knife. Feed and water themselves from absolutely nothing and cover marathon distances during the day and night.All in shorts and sandals.The forgotten SAS.
@@swimdeep189 I knew one who had emigrated to Israel. He then did Recce work into Lebanon in ‘82. One hard little bastard but super nice
Please, please: as half Welshman, please stop calling the British Army "English" - it really, REALLY annoys the Irish, Scots, Welsh, Cornish (and since I live on the Isle of Man, Manx) 😁 BRITISH
I'm from Orpington..and your response should be ... 'poor sod'
And every English person who doesn't speak with a plummy accent, who has their accent described as "You don't sound British,".
The Scots, Welsh and Irish (N) have their own 'thing'. The rest of us are 'British' or "Do you live near London?".
I suggest you make your peace with it.
Do you call the Russian army the Russian army, or the 'army of federated republics of Russia', afterall you wouldn't want to offend the ethnic mordvins or kalmyks...
Get over yourself
@@FenristhegreatThere is no such thing as an English Army - does not exist. It is the British Army. "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" is the full country name to match your Russian analogy. It would be like calling the Russian Army the Mordvins Army.
Talk about the Thinking Solider!!!
Measure twice cut once
One of my father's favourite sayings, that and 'play the white man'.
@@jc8095❤👍👍👍👍
I heard one of the TV SAS guys (I think it was Billy Billingham from SAS are you tough enough) what's the difference between US and UK special forces? He said the US have one guy to hold the gun, one guy to load the gun and one guy to fire the gun but the UK has one guy to do it all. Basically most US sf have many specialists but the UK don't have the same numbers so are Jack of all trades.
My dad was a grenadier guard 💂♀️ he did several training exercises against the SAS. He said they were different class.
Seems a LOT of the SAS are from Scotland. Hard, nasty hooligans they are. I always say a foreign invader would have to be insane to invade the UK because of the fighting bloody mindedness of the Scottish, Welsh and Irish. And add in the Geordies, Scousers, Yorkshiremen, Brummies and Londoners you have a whole load of trouble. Another of the main reasons the British Army are so good is the weather and the terrain- it makes for very tough soldiers.
It’s already happening
Don't forget the Mancs FFS! 😂
@@prkancheese shoot! Soz, lah
Khan's Londoners?
@@jc8095 er, no
Everyone has forgotten about the 80s recce.
South African recce.
Operating for weeks behind enemy lines in African Bush. Mosquito and Croc and elephant and then only the enemy
@@peetsnort aah. But up against much more stupid people than Westerners.
Zzzzz
Got to give it to him hes been there done it 💯
We are all cousin's fighting the evil of the world..because its getting worse and worse stand together as one 💯💪
Its in the recruiting process.😉
Great dude
The Chinese Parliament is a based on the older idead Aufstragtaktik - mission-based command in which you trust the troops to make the right decisions.
Militaries that are heavy top-down don't get - including the US.
The SAS, because of their unique history, were born with it, as were the more egalitarian colonies of the British Empire (NZ, Aus, SF).
We British people know the composition of our armed forces, they are British.
Rules of Engagement for British soldiers,If were dropped and wounded by enemy fire we stay where we are and hopefully don't start screaming medic and if our forces are advancing prepare ourselves to be left behind,so we don't lose medics under enemy fire while trying to attend to the wounded and putting other lives in danger.
There is a philosophical difference. British and Commonwealth forces are what's called NCO-led armies. The officers do the broad mission planning, but in the field its the experienced Warrant Officers who lead the men. Just getting into the SAS is a feat in itself and there is huge respect within their ranks. When an officer joins, he is busted down to private again. And you only earn promotion through active combat duty. You are constantly being assessed and if you become a risk, you are RTU's o returned to unit. It's no shame as the standards as so high. But if you reach WO in the SAS, there would not be 20 other soldiers in the world who would be as good as you. THese guys are often picked for dangerous solo missions with low likihood of success.
Well said , glad you mentioned that . The former SAS soldiers lucky enough to appear in these videos on YT are the lucky ones , those that survived . We may never know about those that were unfortunately killed in action , on secret missions.
The English Foreign legion, it has Welsh N Irish and Scottish in it too known as British 🇬🇧 sprinkled with others from the commonwealth!
About Polish GROM I know they have tier 1 and tier 2 units. Greetings from Florida.
The Chinese parliament is just one of the elements that singles out British SAS as the best of the best!
I'm English and I gotta say please don't forget thr other UK nations, we get a bad enough rep as it is from them 😂 big up the other nations
You missed a wonderful opportunity to ask about the challenges on the Delta side of the house
We are the Pilgrims, master; we shall go
Always a little further; it may be
Beyond that last blue mountain barred with snow
Across that angry or that glimmering sea,
White on a throne or guarded in a cave
There lies a prophet who can understand
Why men were born: but surely we are brave,
Who take the Golden Road to Samarkand.
James Elroy Flecker
There needs to be more written about ROBERT STURGES Royal Marines.
You ask if there is one group that impresses, you say England. You disrespect the other Nations of the UK. In one off the cuff ignorant remark you discount the many thousands of Scots Welsh and Northern Irish who fought and died. There is no such thing as an English army, and in fact it’s commonly thought that around 80% of the SAS is in fact made up of Scots. If you’re going to comment on these things, get you facts right. If you don’t even know such basics as there’s no such thing as the English army, why should anyone pay any attention to anything else you say?
well said 👏🏻
Sorry, as an Englishman, I don't agree there is any disrespect. The guy is an American(Oops, did I offend a Canadian) so give the guy some slack. No offence is meant so none should be taken. I often say England out of habit, when I really mean UK and it's usually the Scot's that pull me up on it, nevertheless accepting the fact that this is typical English behaviour and no offence is meant. I will agree though that I am ignorant.
For goodness sake....
Well done. England last had an army in 1707.
Correct. The SAS has long had many Scots. WW2 they had numerous Irish from both sides of the border under NI's own Paddy Mayne
The army, navy and air force are British, it's a strange thing in these islands but as much as we fight and squabble amongst ourselves the British forces are a mix of everyone and better for it
SAS are a clinical force they are not gunhoe
"I am Polish"...
rolls eyes
Well gone on a war then come back and tell a story!
What’s your point?
@@robbas_krk1510I think because he's obviously American, not Polish.
@@Jim-ux9lg Got it 👍🏻
Because he knows how it is when Americans say "I am ", often never having been in the country and not speaking the language. He is just making fun of himself. Good attitude.
Then theres E Squadron AKA the increment
The US have the numbers and money. The UK has the training.
Sad tho really the uk used to have the best army, navy, tanks, airforce, artilery, special forces etc. but now only really has the best elite special forces.
What's an LNO, that he talks about at the end?
Liaison Officer
🌴 Caldwell ,maybe...we had 🇬🇧 🌴
You see the same culture and practices in civilian life in high performing companies/teams/departments.
As I said, the SAS are the daddy. I have worked with members and I have trained US Marines. The regiment are just on a different level of competence and flexibility.
BTW this gentleman has very little ego.
Salutations from Belfast Northern Ireland 🇬🇧
You may have trained with US marines but u have not worked with US tier 1 units big differences mate, context is important
Don't be annoying. Also, you are talking about ego but you seem to have a big one yourself. Sure the SAS is great, but so are the other Tier 01 units, and that's why the special operation forces world is so cool. You should try to learn about all of them, and have the proper respect for each one, like the operators themselves have ( as you can see by the interviews ).
@@Justopenminded67 . I said that I trained US Marines! I said I worked with Regiment members. Oh and ex members. Please read again and digest I was a member of the Royal Ulster Constabulary. I served in Northern Ireland. As for why I was training US marines. Thst is a different story. BTW I have never met more respectful and eager to learn military than said marines. Furthermore what the 22 lads said about CAG and SF was this. CAG- They are like us, but have too much reliance on kit and huge support. We do the job with what we got.
SF- Nice blokes, but too reliant on being told what to do and no where close to CAG in skills.
@@Abefroman-lq3md in which year did u worked with the regiment guys, just curious
@@Abefroman-lq3md about US marines, there are different levels to them,coventional marines, the marine expeditionary force, marine recon, force recon and marine raiders, could u tells us which one u trained and in which skillset. I know I'm sounding arrogant but there are different levels to US marines which I find very interesting 😅
not enlisted..
SWCC can go to DG ?
@@LeDiamondDog yep swcc, navy eod, sarcs, navy intelligence guys, commo guys, marine raiders can also do direct support, navy dog dandlers do direct support and some technical specialty MOS guys can also apply for Dev
Remember sas sbs no nods vision no lazer point i can go on and on let your eyes adapt but if they hit u they hit you f,....g hard ! Love my forces 💯🇬🇧and also are cousin's New Zealand 🇳🇿 Australia 🇦🇺 and the USA 🇺🇸 ❤💯💯💯fighting men 💪
England, France?!!!
Haven't you heard of Great Britain or the British?!!! 🏴🏴🏴
(Not forgetting Northern Ireland.)
SAS are the best ✊👍
You forgot JF2.
Super. Army. Soldiers.
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Iraq is not pronounced "eye-rack"
Mesapotamia.
It is in American
Let me think about this? Do you Absolutely love Water Or do you like Working alone?
It's called a Chinese parliament. Each member of the squad has his say.
Exactly and it works perfectly. Except in China.
not in the real chinese paliament.
American special force are train by the SAS
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David, If you were born in the US you are American NOT Polish despite the fact you ancestors may have come from Poland!
He knows. This is why he rolled his eyes.
SAS are the best, and they are all called John Smith
The brits know the intel guys are sometimes full of it lol.
Not sure which person said it on a youtube video but they said SAS are a domestic SF and only now have they got better at combat role's abroad in warzone really made me laugh clearly they know nothing and didn't know where and how the SAS first started originally L Detachment, Special Air Service Brigade but you know some people 🤣
SAS have been in combat zones for about 75 years.
@@garyford3533 I know that was my point the were founding in the second world war which is why i was laughing at the idiots
Sas/sbs, the great grandparents of ever other countries special forces,,,
Did, i doubt theres many left after Russia's missiles hit their base in Odessa recently?
@@marklanahan7289 what ARE you on about?
@@ncrongendov733 Their base in Odessa got hit by Russia killing 50 odd.
stop being an idiot, grow up.
No harm in saying English. It's just generalisation. Brit Isles have the best character of soldier. Begrudgingly, the jocks are natural soldiers.
Polish GROM (the GROM Military Unit or Jednostka Wojskowa GROM) is tier one SMU & primary CT/HR military force back there in Poland, just like 22 SAS in the UK. GROM characteristics place them somewhere between 22 SAS and Delta; closer to 22 SAS in terms of their mindset, mission, tasks or capabilities, and to Delta in terms of unit organisation. They both, 22 SAS and Delta, were deeply involved in the creation of GROM in the early 1990s (TTP, weapons & equipment, first selection, training and later ops), so they stick together to this day. Btw, the Polish equivalent to US Green Berets are the Commandos (the Commandos Military Unit or Jednostka Wojskowa Komandosów), and the equivalent to SBS & Navy SEALs is Formoza (the Formoza Military Unit or Jednostka Wojskowa Formoza). All of them are under the control of POL SOCOM in the Special Forces Branch within the Polish Armed Forces.
"GROM characteristics place them somewhere between 22 SAS and Delta; closer to 22 SAS in terms of their mindset, mission, tasks or capabilities, and to Delta in terms of unit organisation."
- given that Delta organisation is modelled after 22 SAS (as are other aspects like selection), what is different between the organisation of 22 and Delta that places GROM closer to Delta?
Good info. Cheers.
@@Dr.Ian-Plect Take a look at the unit organisation from the level of the squadron downwards. Genarally, a sabre squadron in Delta is fairly homogeneous in terms of structure and purpose. At the same time, 22 SAS sabre squadrons are "shredded" with specific specialities (see the Air, Boat, Mountain and Mobility troops). Numbers vary too, and start with a 4-pax patrol in 22 SAS vs. 6-pax section in Delta. That’s why I said GROM organisation is closer to Delta. The rest is more like 22 SAS.
@@robbas_krk1510 You didn't actually state the differences in GROM, you left it to inference.
@@Dr.Ian-Plect (1) "Given that Delta organisation is modelled after 22 SAS (as are other aspects like selection)...” - 'modelled' doesn’t mean 'exactly the same'; I adressed the basic differences in the unit organisation between Delta and 22 SAS in my answer to your first question. (2) "...what is different between the organisation of 22 and Delta…” - again, see my answer to your previous question. (3) "...that places GROM closer to Delta?” - as I said in my main comment: GROM characteristics place them closer to 22 SAS in terms of their mindset, mission, tasks or capabilities, and to Delta in terms of unit organisation. Which means that the mindset, mission, tasks or capabilities of GROM are similar to those of 22 SAS, and that the unit organisation of GROM is similar to the oganisation of Delta. I thought it was self-explanatory.
Just saw Shreks 3+ hours interview, he said same thing about funding when it comes to comparing delta and australian sf. He said we all basically the same in skill, its just americans have insane funding, hence are better. Kind of like one has hk rifles, another one has to use a shovel. OR delta has sattelite phones, australians, grom has to send a pigeon haha
Fortunately, it's not that bad 😉 However, at the end of the day it all comes down to money, that’s true.
@@CJ0101 How do you quantify that? Spit some facts/stats?
@@CJ0101 dude listen to 160th night stalkers interviews, they literally said the SAS was dependent on US air assets, ur opinion has zero facts
@@don_kandon6006 bro, it's always the brits that talked the loudest and have zero facts to prove to back up their statements
@@CJ0101 from my understanding zero UKSF guys on the internet has ever mentioned 160th night stalkers because most of them let their egos control them and they never mention support stuff which did everything for them. Unlike them US guys tend to praise the support side of things which tells me that most UKSF on the internet are heavily biased to their formal unit
Chinese Parliament works for a reason!
Remember the sas was started by a Scots man and the soldiers like mad paddy Mayne a Irish man there are welsh Canadian and new Zealand and Australia and some i have missed in the sas so when you say English you are disrespecting the other countries but i think if you were in the sas you wouldn't give a rats arse
They die just as easily in Ukraine as anywhere else. Do they ever think of what they are doing?
@@hieronymusjacabusprincepso5060 of course they do. If you’re thick you don’t get into the SAS. But they do what the King’s Government asks them to do. And they don’t die easily. There is always a price
who?
Please buy that man a better mic.
Stop talking down ti your listeners, just because youve never heard of GROM doesnt mean we haven't as we're not as thick aa you!
Chinese parliament, every trooper gets a say in the decision making process. It's not the same as it used to be though, you get interference from above now!
you do not know anything, palestine boy.
You're not Polish. 😅
We need to understand one thing, doesn't matter if your SAS, paras, marines or boy scout, gir guides if there's sniper looking down is rifle your fucked, no matter how long the training, where you train, in time it will just be a drownes and nuclear means nothing at all what company your in
thats why we have technology.
For god's sake don't say English. People will get upset. Welsh Scottish northern Irish play an integral part. Always say British please!
England is not britian the uk is not 9ne country England. The sas was founded by a scotsman . England is not britian . Alba shaor a nis
Oh William Wallace is here
Makes an arse of themselves ?
who?
SAS have recently been accused of murdering civilians in Afghanistan apparently. Is this what they do differently?
By who?
@@MyFluffyClouds no one said they are perfect or angels. These are the most aggressive highly trained men on earth. And as the Taliban mix in with civilians it’s rather he said, she said. Bit like the Hamas scum
Do you mean like mi lai in Vietnam under lt Robert calley from west point officer us army
@@DandlPacking Russian bot me thinks
@@scoobydoo5164 BBC
Combat Controller does not have the same mind set as an Operator.
Why not?
He’s former Tier 1….
@@robbas_krk1510 Action mindset
@@anthonyantao7937 hes job is different
@@oguerrero031280 A job doesn’t determine anybody’s mindset. You can be a baby sitter or a therapist after a decade of fighting wars as a tier one SMU operator, e.g. cos you got tired and decided to do something entirely different. Or you failed a selection due to medical drop. Or you’re too old. Or got wounded and unable to keep the pace as a door kicker. Many reasons, but none of them necessarily comes from the lack of the action mindset.
Very knowledgeable but what a boaring man divlery zero
Take your ignorant self elsewhere. Also, learn how to spell. This was embarrassing
The SAS is over. You can be fit, but you wont be fit enough to outrun a drone.
Going behind the lines or in patrol in modern drone warfare is suicide.
They are obsolete. Drone food.
Bollocks. They are in the Ukraine just now guiding the Ukrainians
I think your brain is obsolete
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 your assuming that they know they are there…….
@garrburton3375 it s just a matter of time for them to be found out
@@ralffig3297 The trick is not to give the drone operators enough time. Geddit?
The british sas lost there last two wars in Afghanistan and iraq
No they didn’t. You don’t even understand what the SAS or SBS do.
Their K/D ratio says otherwise, the reason why they left was the money ran out.
C’mon, Snowflake.
Utter muppet haven’t got a clue have you . Nor the balls to do the job the sad do or any other sof .
Easily the dumbest comment I've read this month, well done.
"I'm Polish...in large part", no you're not, you're American.
There is NO! Special Service Unit like the SAS in the World!!! As you say in the USA “ Period “!.
Nah English 🏴 much better