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A childhood friend got a BS in mechanical engineering at a state school, did quite well, and went to Caltech for a master's. He then got a job at an aerospace company in California. He literally became a real-deal rocket scientist (working on satellites). Even as a 7-year-old, you could predict the path he'd follow. He had that kind of focused, ultra-precise, formal personality. His younger brother was completely the opposite -- a happy-go-lucky, let's-have-fun-and-goof-around kind of guy (he became an optometrist and is doing fine).
My son is going into his senior year in electrical engineering degree. Neither my wife or myself have a college degree. I’m happy that he’s got no school debt. We are paying for his schooling while he works to cover a lot of his living expenses. It’ll be an accomplishment when he graduates with zero debt.
Ironic a university degree is 3 years & $30K USD all up in Australia, our Govt gives a small student living allowance & for my degrees my employer paid for 95%. No matter what you study ------------------- just finish it. I chose Business (Accounting) & General Science (Risk Mgt) with Masters in both categories. Working full time & studying at night was challenging but I have always been employed since I was 16. Passing exams does not make you intelligent - apply your knowledge makes you intelligent.
No but everyone’s gonna shit on him for using daddy’s moneyyyyy .. I hate that. As if it isn’t a good thing to get help from parents, especially if it’s for such an accomplished degree. Thank you for helping this younger generation.
@@gabriellebron9968 you have to be braindead to deny free schooling if your parents are offering it and can afford it. Rather get that than be some broke nobody trying to become “self made”.
IMO the hardest major is the one that interests you the least. To a large extent, difficulty is subjective and what you don't like doing will seem hard even if the concept is not inherently complex.
That is me with Computer Science, I really dislike computer science but it pays well and I’m willing to go through whatever mental gymnastics I need in order to trick my brain into liking data structures, doing proofs, and whatever other god forsaken thing I’ll have to do to try to get job security 😂
@@___Truth___ I’m not gonna lie, in a similar boat with computer engineering. Personally I’m more of a hardware guy, but I have to take so much computer science classes becuase they are required so Ill have to force myself 😂 in order to complete
That's very true. It would have been impossible for me to make it far as I have if I didn't love what I study. It is hard enough even when you love what your studying. There's still imposter syndrome, self doubt, long hours working and all kinds of other stuff you got to deal with.
true, so basically anything with STEM majors, it is hard. Like me debating rn if i should shut down my laptop or delete all my code and have another break down or not
@@LiztasticGames The money is in STEM “because” it’s hard. Salaries follow the supply-and-demand rules. If STEM were easy there would be an over-supply of workers, and salaries would then be low. Contrary to popular belief, child-care does not pay poorly because of the gender “pay gap”. It pays poorly because it doesn’t require a lot of skill, and therefore a lot of people can do it, so the supply of workers is high.
I just graduated with a B.S. in Physics. Arguably the most difficult thing I’ve ever done, and probably will ever do. It’s not for the faint of heart, but if you have a passion for it and are willing to go through hell, you can do it.
I was a math+physics double major and when I transferred to software engineering (cs in engineering school) with a physics and math minor but like the classes are a breeze i don’t know why engineers make a big deal like it’s not even that hard. Plus engineering school has a heafty curve and I like I think I got a 70s precurve (average was 60s) for an A+ so 😂. I would say math is 1st and close 2nd for physics cuz math was the only major I think it got harder/stricter midst COVID
I have a B.S. in Mathematics and graduate degrees in Computer Science and Computer Engineering. I will for sure agree that Physics is the hardest degree in a general sense. I had to take a few upper-level physics courses throughout my schooling and I was completely lost. The mathematics wasn't what got me, it was the nuisance of applying physics to real-world scenarios. It gets complicated real fast... I would much rather spend my days coding then do that ever again lol
Ditto that - BS in mathematics, also, but no graduate degree (actuary instead). I saw a few very strong students from my high school (like 1600 SAT types who skipped grades) spending a lot of time in labs as an undergraduate, and then struggling mightily to get a phD after far longer than 8 years total.
I’m in A level right now and completely agree. When the studied concepts are applied to practical situations it feels like a completely different concept
math is actually the hardest if you try to learn it to do research at the highest level, i just remember that a mathematician like Hilbert who just put in months to compete with Einstein in the general relativity theory
I got both outstanding senior award and excellence in undergrad research award in physics with a dual major (math) and 4.0. Got to grad school for condensed matter physics and decided it was too much... Top of the line stuff is hard! I'm going into machine learning because many ideas from physics carry over (linear algebra, entropy, renormalization group, representation theory, etc). I'm so glad I'm coding more because it feels more practical and well easy... I really think it just is and physics is HARD!
In my own experience, I've realized that engineers and doctors are just a different breed. Sometimes they're not even the smartest person you know, BUT they're equipped to kill it in that field. Photographic memories and being high functioning on 4 hrs of sleep is their thing. They just see the world differently lol.
Photographic memory for the doctors maybe since their degrees revolve around memorisation. Engineers don't need to remember too much, more about problem solving and analysis techniques.
I've been told I'm a hyperfocused type of person because I openly admit I am a dumbass but when it comes to things I like to study I'll throw everything I am into it 😂
@@yt_nh9347 I'd argue that only certain aspects are memorization based. A lot of the memorization is just learning the language of medicine and reaching a certain skill floor. A lot of it is really procedural/logic based. Part of my draw into medicine is that every case is like a puzzle. Some stuff like anatomy and physiology, learning different tests you can run and what results they bring, and stuff like that are more memory based. But actual diagnostic medicine is much more of a logic puzzle than anything else. Being able to get through the rigor of medicine is much more about how driven you are than your capacity to memorize.
memorization is just repeated process of repetition. both degree require insane amount of repetition repetition. Few who has photographic memories goes into surgery mostly.
After I passed my thesis, I literally cried and slept for 14 hrs, it is one of the greatest sleep I had in 5 years of studying architecture. I still can’t believe I survived and graduated from Archi school 🤧🤧🤧
As a physics major who managed to pull off a 4.0 by the end of my undergraduate career, I am humbled, but imo all my engineer friends had it wayy harder. Yes, the concepts and theories that we had to learn were arguably more complex than engineering, but engineering was much higher stakes, and the engineering professors would make sure that their students knew that getting the right answer was a matter of life and death in many cases, whereas 'being within an order of magnitude' was often passable in a lot of physics problems haha
It's the old joke: a physicist wants to be within an order of magnitude, an engineer wants to be within one significant figure, and a mathematician wants to be within an infinitely small difference.
As someone who is about to get a B.S. in physics, I feel very validated by this. But, in my opinion, a math major is harder. Part of what makes physics so difficult is the complexity of the math we use, but we actually get to simplify a lot of it through symmetry and special cases. The math majors work in the theoretical and don’t usually get to make these simplifications.
As a guy with a bc in physics: I totally agree. I definitely found the math classes to be harder. A lot of the hard physics courses are hard because it involves difficult math.
You know, when I was a kid, I enjoyed solving physics problems and "brain teasers". But this got old really fast when I took physics in college, where every problem in every homework assignment was a brain twister. It stops being fun when you solve a really tricky problem that takes a half hour or more, and then you still have five more just as bad that you have to solve before you can close the book. So yeah, I agree with your number one.
@Santiago Rodriguez Newton I wasn't meaning to flex. I mean a half hour for the TYPICAL problem. I certainly had problems that took hours to solve. It ground away at me, and took all the fun out of math. And THEN I had to take calculus III and linear algebra.
@@snwbrdn777 but once you get the math problem done, it all clicks for 90% of everything related to the topic. Meanwhile with physics, new conditions, new scenarios, and you have to recalibrate everything and wipe your desk clean.
Yup Having a passion for hard work Is probably one of the best passions to have as you see everything as a challenge and complete the hard shit for fun
In my physics course, a group of six people bugged out after the first year and switched into other subjects - from medicine to law to psychology - mainly because they hated the course or were bored with the nerdishness of the other physics students. Pretty much every single one of them graduated with First Class Honours in their new subject, and at least one got the best grades in their department.
@@michaelkendall662 - Perhaps you misunderstood my point. The six people who dropped out were not bad at physics. They just realised it was the wrong choice for them. They switched into very demanding subjects like Law and Medicine and still aced all the exams!
@@neilnorton5792 - They are in the UK (or certainly were when I was studying). They’re followed by a couple of years of compulsory practical training before the student can call themselves a doctor or lawyer.
i’m not sure why i wasn’t expecting physics to be number one, my grandfather told me his dad made him major in physics because it was the hardest major
Engineering requires a lot of commitment...many hours of studying, good memory,good analytical ability, very good foundation in maths...if you want a course to challenge your mental faculties, then Engineering will definitely push you to the edge.
@@richardhankombo3106 It's a quote, I'm not the author of the quote. But myself, as an engineer, agree on the quote because it's true, an engineer compared to a scientist is like a technician compared to us. FWIW, engineers are the ones boasting and trying to present themselves as the top echelon, scientists don't use to talk about it.
I could never make it in pharmacy. There's something about the names they give drugs that makes it hard for me to remember them. I suspect it is the artificial, contrived to be spoken in all languages aspect of them. They don't seem real to my English-speaking mind, so I can't remember them.
@@Inkling777 I'm a pharmacy technician and after a while you get use to them. I had a Filipina professor who was hard on the students. We had to remember the brand name, genetic name, side effect, and use of the meds. That's for over 300 meds. Not to mention over 100 acronyms in pharmacy used for various reasons, and memorizing several formulas for weighing meds etc. If anything was wrong, the whole answer would be considered wrong. She was so hard on us to the point where, if you spelled one letter wrong, the whole entire answer was wrong. Trust me, you don't want get everything else right and just because you spelled pseudoephedrine wrong by one letter, its marked wrong. 🤦🏾♀️She said one of the reasons she was so hard on us is because not spelling the meds correctly or the math, can result in giving the patient the wrong meds, or giving them to much or not enough. She needed our spelling and math to be accurate in order to sufficiently help the pharmacist. I graduated with high honors thanks to that woman pushing me.
I have degrees in math, physics, and mechanical engineering. In my experience, engineering was a cakewalk compared to physics and math. Physics was difficult but some marginal students could skate through. Upper level Pure/theoretical math however was it’s own animal. Real analysis, topology and abstract Algebra classes make anything in physics (including electrodynamics and QM classes) or engineering look like child’s play.
You had difficulty because what was integrated and formalized by Newton was stupidly divided into separate subjects. I had the same problem, starting to "learn classical physics" a term before I started to "learn calculus".
I get you there. Abstract algebra....I could not pass that. My niece majored in math and found it 'kind of' hard at CS Northridge (The Harvard of the West...wink) If YOU taught engineering, it might the most difficult subject though. It really depends on the professors at the time of your journey. My Cultural Anthropology professor made that class one of the hardest I ever took; she often visited Africa and had a passion for the subject etc...nobody got out of that class for free, and 1/2 dropped out etc..
@@riddlemeunknown6260 Don't feel bad. A lot of the times these "geniuses" tend to have personality flaws that makes them difficult to work with and tends to make them fall behind in the workplace where a lot of career progress is mainly interpersonal skills, sure knowing your field more than others helps a lot, but if you can't work with others it's rather fruitless. Rather spruce up your EQ and social skills, will benefit you far more in the long run since at the end of the day you are solving problems for people.
As a physics PhD student, I’m obligated to guess physics as the #1 hardest degree before I even start watching. Time to see if it’s even on here at all!
Electrical Engineering: You start off by completing most of a math degree by the time you complete half of your sophomore year, and then you begin your electrical engineering degree.
@@alanjohnson2662 For my university, I had calculus 1-3. linear algebra, diff eq's and I believe 1 other math course by the end of my sophmore year. FWIW for my ele curriculum you didn't have to take any extra classes to be eligible for a minor in mathematics
@@alanjohnson2662 Exactly as TheArnoldification stated, but add probability, statistics, linear programming, and engineering finance. And for what it is worth, I said "most of a math degree".
The point is, I’ve seen many people studying engineering without being extremely passionate, yes most of them are, but there is some one who can make even if it’s not super super excited. But you will never find a physicist which is not crazy about what he studies
I like how there’s still good quality college videos. Hearing that graduating in 6 years instead of 4 is more common really made me feel much better about myself/smarter. Took a 1.5 year gap year for mental health issues (bad enough to have to medically withdrawal) for a while I didn’t even know if going back was worth it I honestly don’t know like do people that graduate at 24/25 throw grad parties…? Lol Thankfully I’ve finally gotten back and….I’ll say, it’s much much much easier to learn when you don’t hate yourself and think your future is closing in on you.
I'm in the same position. I messed up my uni life and ended up wasting 2 years. I wanted to study physics but there weren't much opportunities for physics in my country. My parents (dad to be more specific) is discouraging me from studying an "unusual" degree. I ended up studying economics for over a year and couldn't take it anymore. I recently just dropped out of uni and enrolled to the ONLY private uni in my country that offers physics. I'm gonna be 21 next year so that means I'll be 25 when I graduate. I also dream to be a physicist so the journey is going to be long and arduous and filled with uncertainty...
I feel better after reading this. I took part time classes for 1.5years for the sake of my mental health and this’ll be the first term to be full time. I feel more motivated now and I am determined to finish my computer engineering degree
Totally get you. Im 27, dont fret, just enjoy your study. Lots of people graduate and dont even work in their field of study. Just enjoy studying, be curious and be proud of your profession
I had to spend a lot of time to get good grades when I was pursuing my Electrical Engineering degree and later a degree in Computer Science, but I'm pretty sure I'd never make it in a major like English. Analyzing circuits and algorithms can be intriguing, but analyzing Shakespeare is beyond me. I can easily find the bugs in code (at least my own code), but not comma faults.
Same, I'm an EE major and could CS if I was at all interested (but I'm not because it's boring lol). But I could never do English because I can't read for shit. I always trail off into my own thoughts and can't read more than like two pages.
As an engineer the two most boring classes I took were sophomore literature, the poetry part specifically, and a management elective class that the guy taught as a sociology class. Just could not stay awake reading the material. The hardest class without a doubt was physical chemistry/quantum mechanics. The prof kept using high level math operators from a math class none of us had had and wasn't a prerequisite.
I double-majored in physics and applied math. I took a lot of notoriously difficult courses (real analysis, quantum mechanics, etc) but when people ask what the hardest class I ever took was, my answer is numerical analysis. It's a combination of programming combined with the most difficult math problems you've ever seen. Absolutely brutal, problem sets would take me all week, and most of the class failed or dropped out. I learned a ton and even ended up getting a job at one point because of my knowledge from that class though. Proudest B+ I ever got, lol.
Numerical analysis is not for the weak. There was a man in his mid-30s in class who was very confident at the start. I think he was a programmer of sorts. This grown man had a meltdown and cried in class after failing the first exam. I have no idea why he was so confident in the first place because I was questioning my entire life after the 2nd class.
My granddaughter is taking all these courses now. Going into her 4th year. She is studying to be a forensic pathologist. She always did very well in private school. She did have to do some tutoring in her chemistry. I hope the best for her. I know it isnt easy. Plus she works part time. Hopefully she will finish, and have a career she will Will happy with.
had organic chemistry in high school. Slept thru half the classes in college. The hardest class I ever had in college was Geochemistry(that will make you switch to Recreation & Parks!). A close second would be Time-Series Analysis. But I NEVER took a biology class! EVER!! Not in junior high, not in senior high, not in college. And I don't plan to. I got all the biology education I needed from reading Playboy.
When I heard engineering wasn't going to be #1 I instantly thought of physics And of course your super smart roommate majored in aerospace engineering, he literally studied rocket science
I’m a engineering physics student and i was about to laugh when he say that engineering is not the hardest. I was gonna say that engineering finally is not the hardest. After seeing the first, i am crying rn.
@@sunitsu3586 Nah, no real math classes with the mathematicians, no quantuum mechanics 1 and 2 and also no statistical physics courses. Which are the hardest classes you can take in any university.
@@sunitsu3586 I have a Phd in Physics, i taught engeneering physics lectures, and i studied with a good portion of people in engeneering pysics, when we had the first semester with shared lectures such as mechanics 1. There is not a single subject that rivals the hardest classes in physics. Engeneering Physics students have a much smaller depth in every subject. The 3-4 class4s that are a bit outside of physics are most of the time economics, which is laughably easy. A bit chemistry, which we physicists often tend to do too and of course IT clases, again something physics majors take too. Every subsect is a dumed down version of what i had to do. And thats ok, you do not need the same tools for the job. You are not describing the underlaying physics of this universe. And btw, i would put Math on the nr. 1 spot. Math is the great kicker which makes Students abort their subjects. If you master math you master everything else easily.
@@sunitsu3586 Now you make the 1% of OP ppl the norm. Thats not how it works for 99% of all students, even when they select their subject by talent. You can take very pysicist and make him do economoics. Thats why the line is called "Its no rocket science". Those guys came form rocket science when it wasnt needed anymore and reshaped economics. The equiations look the same. I yet have to see one economist do it the other way round. (I am sure they exist, but the ratio of economics majors suddennly beeing successfull in MINT vs. vice versa see to be very low) Most guys from math i know are also good at music and play at least 1, most of the time 3 or more insturments.. The kexyord here is most. Most Musicians arent good at math. Math is the big selector. You master it according to your needs or you die out. This is a bit of a joke, but it non the less has a larger grain of thruth in it -> It might well be that the big selector for species to overcome the planetary bound state is that they are to limited in their mathematical abilities to figure out what to do about spacetravel. Therefore and as a physicist i have to give this crown to the guys from the Math department.
There's something people dont talk enough about CS majors, self study. If youre going to major in Computer Science, your life will be a whole lot easier if you actually like the subject and you spend alot of time programming or coding things for fun as a personal projects. I heard so many people complain about the classes, but the people I never heard complain were people who did it as a hobby. Its a unique major in that you can get a pretty rigourous education on it online by yourself just for fun and your classes/degree only serve as a supplement. Speaking from experience, if you work on CS projects/ mathematics as a hobby, you can A+ pretty much all of your classes with little to no effort. If the last sentance seemed ridiculous to you, CS might not be the major for you.
Wow.. I just feel proud of myself for getting a master's degree in Physics. Tbh I've never found any other subject as interesting as Physics. Even when I tried to explore or learn other subjects, I ended up getting bored after a while. I guess different people in different fields are just built differently. We all have a thing that comes to us naturally and we don't have to force ourselves to do it. ✌️
I can see the reasoning. I’m a Mech Eng. if you look at the curriculum of the degree, each class is a chapter of a physics book (statics, dynamics, thermo, heat transfer, kinematics, materials...). Physics majors do the same but more abstract in nature. Arguably more difficult.
My bachelor's is in mathematics. When I was a senior, there was a sophomore named Elana who had the strongest math skills in the school (including graduate students). She was double-majoring in Math and Biochemistry and she picked up a third major (a foreign language) because she had at least four hours a day with nothing to do (she also had a job). Each semester, she would have to get special approval while registering for classes because she always took 21-24 credit PER SEMESTER and aced everything. She can read anything one time and completely understand it and completely remember it. She was also totally down to earth and very kind. She was amazing.
I'm a mechanical Engineering major, and I breeze through my Calc and engineering classes. But the only two times I took physics classes put a lot of fear in me
Iam a Math major and when I was looking at the the list of subjects to pair it up with for my double major I skipped physics. It's the reason I passed Physical Sciences ( a combination of both Physics and Chemistry we wrote separate papers but the counted as 1 subject) cause I am more of a numbers than a reading person, but I still ran away from it. I took Applied Maths as a minor and it a killer. Students who did both Applied Maths and Physics said they were similar.
that's because mechanical engineering and calc are procedural and easy to grasp while physics is more abstract (which is why electrical engineering is harder as well)
@@yt_nh9347 Im trying to be as unbiased as possible but I’m gonna have to disagree. I agree that Calc and first year engineering courses are easy to grasp/straightforward looking back on it. Once you get into your third or fourth year, true engineering courses are quite opposite. Thermodynamics, Thermal Systems, Fluid Mechanics, Heat Transfer and Finite Elemental Analysis and not straightforward/easy to grasp (from my experience). Those first 4 classes apply to real world situations that require an immense amount of knowledge just to even start the problem
I am an aerospace engineer and I would put physics and maths at the same level; with engineering closely behind or tied (depending on the major). I believe the complexity in maths was underrated, the amount of abstract thinking required in the majority of topics is just insane.
People who say physics or engineering are much harder than math are probably thinking of intro calc and differential equations instead of upper division proof based pure math courses. Most physics/math majors would say that they are a very similar level of conceptual difficulty.
One thing I want to add is you don't have to be a genius if you are going for engineering but you have to have one trait that is to study consistently . I was a mediocre student and got admission in software engineering and I am doing well.
I would say that being a good student has nothing to do with how intelligent you are. It's about study habits, learning strategies and how disciplined and hardworking you are. In my view good students are not those who get the best grades but those that are best able to cope with difficult material that challenges them. Many intelligent people are not good students but are able to get away with it because the material doesn't challenge them. So I think you are either more intelligent or a better student than you think. Perhaps it's a mixture of both.
This video explains why the physics grade was traditionally the single best predictor of making it to the end of medical school. Presumably it meant high intelligence plus application or willingness to sit down and study.
@@erics8302 The CONTENT of organic chemistry is more relevant to medicine, but physics is best as a measure of IQ + willingness to use it to study/work.
I'll receive my B.S. in Computer Science I'm August this year. The hardest thing about this major for me was the following: - Computer Architecture - Algorithms - Debugging software Computer Architecture was the course about how code interacts with hardware: you learn about assemblers, registers, caches, stacks, etc. Algorithms can be difficult to learn as well as to understand how to apply them to hundreds of complex computing problems. And the fact that for almost 10 years, CS students had to practice dozens of these outside of homework/class time in order to prepare for interviews with the top employers of CS majors was incredibly challenging. And building code on a deadline can be a stressful experience when you're trying to debug runtime errors.
I took 1.5 years of medical leave. Took 7 years for B.S in Biology (Medical Technology emphasis), Electrical Engineering (Biomedical Engineering Emphasis), and Physics (Physics option). Those majors interest me so it helped me with my PhD in Materials Science and Engineering
I am not in college, but just from taking AP Physics C: Mech this year, I have no doubt in my mind that physics majors are geniuses. Now, if you are doing well as a physics major and have well-developed humanities skills (i.e. reading comprehension, philosophy, history, etc.), you've got someone who can very well change the world.
After my freshman year of college as an engineering major, the hardest class I've ever taken was definitely AP physics C, specifically electricity and magnetism.
I’m a physics major going into my last year! Absolutely no regrets... I definitely studied a lot lol but I loved it too much to consider it hard work :)
@@joseestrada130 Most of my colleagues were professional, although you do have to watch out for backstabbers. In reality, I realized that I didn't enjoy doing engineering as much as I did learning it. It took me a while but I am in a field outside of engineering that allows me to use a wider range of skills that I have. (My professional journey also caused me to realize that my degree opened a lot of non-engineering doors that wouldn't have been open had I chosen a different field. People value analytical and problem solving skills and so they see those things when they come across an EE.)
Alhamdulillah! I graduated from Astrophysics (physics and astronomy) last year. Planning to go for grad school soon. I think Space science or rocket should be the first one! Well, it’s also under the roof of physics. Physics isn’t that hard but you gotta have real passion for it. Then, it’ll make you happy at the end of day.
Nah, I’m in condensed matter (astrophysics as undergrad, CM in grad) but I think particle physics is the hardest specialization due to the amount of math you really have to be intimate with
MashaAllah, don’t let it go to your head. Your intelligence and opportunities are barakah from the All Mighty. InshaaAllah you can do something to benefit the world. 🙏🏻
As an engineer, I'm OK with this list. Getting an engineering bachelor's was hard as hell but I'm not going to claim that I'm some kind of authority on what the hardest major is. I guessed right at physics being the hardest because engineering has required physics classes as a prerequisite. Those couple of physics classes I took were the hardest classes I'd ever taken. To me, the very hardest part of that was the electrostatics portion. My physics prof got hired on as the department chair and taught undergrad classes because it was a fun hobby to him. He was like this guru on chaos theory, his other favorite subject was electrostatics and he made a lot of engineering students happy that they weren't getting a physics degree. I've seen some seriously smart people around but that physics prof was a whole other level.
As a double major in aerospace and physics I’m surprised by this video, I personally think chemistry is harder. Then again, it matters what you are most passionate about. Someone who’s not interested in engineering will find it to be very difficult, whereas an engineer who’s not interested in something like accounting or finance might think that is fairly difficult.
EXACTLY I think chemistry is FAR more difficult than physics. Physics may be difficult initially when you're trying to grasp the concepts but chemistry doesn't even makes sense 😭😭
I like what you're doing with your video editing. Every time you talk about a different major you are in a different environment. Makes the videos more interesting.
I am currently doing my double major in Physics and Mathematics and I can feel you....sometimes it is easier to jump out of the building than doing my homeworks and assignments.....
How is it going? I am doing a physics-math major too. Out of curiosity, does your university mess up the assignature order too? Like studying differential equations before the necesary mathemathical analysis, or constantly using maths that you have yet seen in physics classes. (Sorry for my english, I am Spanish)
I enjoyed this video. I have been a surgeon for the last 48 years, and had to go through all of those educational hoops many years ago, and I still remember those arduous times. Doctor G.W.
But in high school and first year of Uni, I found physics, maths and further maths the easiest once you are passionate about equations, abstract logic, derivation of formulas working forward and backward. It becomes really easy and makes one look really smart. It isn’t as tasking volume wise as the nursing and medical degrees but we all have our personal biases.
I think all of these are extremely difficult. Engineering majors typically have to take some chemistry and physics classes as well as potentially thermodynamics. Engineers also have to take calculus 1-3, differential equations and linear algebra. A few coding classes are thrown in the mix too. Don't forget that engineering courses are their own beast which if you do electrical engineering includes digital/analog systems/signals, circuits, microprocessors, and so on.
Yes I think they are all difficult in their own way. Engineering is a very interdisciplinary field (depending on the specific type of engineering) but they typically take those physics, math classes up to the level that is needed for their major before focusing on the engineering classes. With Physics, you take physics, math, and coding classes primarily, but the depth you'd go into Physics is so much more (makes sense considering engineering physics classes tend to only correspond to the first year of a physics major), and with how it builds up, things can make a lot less sense the more you go into it. I talked about this with my engineering friends (I'm a physics major) and what we seemed to agree on is that an engineering major spends a lot more time "doing" in that they have an insane workload whereas a physics major in the later years spend more time "thinking" because one single problem can take so much time that it just drains your mental energy by the end. Just my take on it
Graduating in 3 weeks with my B.S. in Computer Science. Very humbling 4 years. Highly recommend it to anyone who loves problem solving and wants a challenge :-)
@@zephyr-117sdropzone8 1. Start your assignments early! I can't tell you how many assignments I've worked on that took me multiple sessions to complete due to it's difficulty. (much better to handle vs. doing an overnighter haha) 2. Get a great CS friend group. You'll be learning so many abstract concepts that it's nice to see people's different perspectives on things! 3. Work hard and ask a ton of questions. :)
I got all the way to my sophomore when I changed my major from Computer Science. It wasn’t necessarily too hard but it just wasn’t what I thought it would be. I just graduated 3 days with my B.S. in Information Systems which is also about computers but much more broad. I'd recommend it to anyone who loves computers and problem solving but isn't really into coding.
Finished my bachelors last year in Applied Math with an emphasis in Partial Differential Equations. Those upper division courses made me want to bang my head against my desk but it was worth it in the end. I still learn math as a hobby even though I'm not in college anymore :). My current goal is to go through Leonard Susskind's Theoretical Minimum book series to learn physics.
Well, I'm a Physics Major. Physics has always been fascinating to me since I was in high school and I'm loving it in college. Physics can never be boring until your basic concepts are clear and you're actually interested in it. I was quite bad at biological Sciences though and Physics was my saviour!
As a Maths student, I wouldn't be surprised if it's on the list. Edit: At least someone acknowledges my suffering :): To add on, in Maths, you will learn modules which are so different from one another, they might as well be different subjects. For such as fluid dynamics (calculating forces and flows of liquids/gases), partial differential equations (have applications in measuring the change in heat), stochastic modelling (making statistical models out of data). In addition, not only do we have to learn theorems, but also prove them. Another thing is that things can be so abstract, it sometimes feels like I'm working with hot air sometimes. How do I physically visualise a group, as opposed to a subgroup or a coset 0_o (many common words such as 'curl', 'group', 'analytic' have a completely different Mathematical meaning as well as using fancy words which hold little meaning such as 'auxiliary' and 'conjugate'). In fact, the word conjugate has a completely different meaning in the context of permutations and complex numbers. Also, there is some overlap with other subjects, such as computer science and especially physics. You also have to learn a bit of coding (we learnt Numpy, Scipy and R [these languages are quite nice though]). (Interestingly), not everything in Maths is accepted. There is a type of statistics called Bayesian stats which has some controversy attached to it, because it takes into account past data to be used with present data for modelling, as well as initial priors being subjective. I think it's cool though. I hope you enjoyed my rant!
Thanks Shane, it’s a fun and largely fair list. I can’t resist commenting here. I’m a PhD electrical engineer. First point: Lumping all the engineering majors together is not helpful. Some engineering majors are way harder than others. Second, distinguishing between engineering and physics is artificial in a way because engineering IS applied physics. And “applied” doesn’t mean easier. Physicists get to study idealized problems with “beautiful” mathematical closed-form solutions, (the “spherical horse,” anyone?), but engineers have to deal with real natural objects and processes with all their messy imperfections. Anecdotally, they are probably equally smart, the three or four people I’ve known that I would consider geniuses are either electrical engineers or physicists. For my money, the hardest subject in the world is pure math. Some people have amazing abilities for abstract thinking.
I have taken both and at least for the first year it’s not comparable. All the exams are much harder in physics 1 and 2, calc 1 and 2, general physics, linear algebra are way bigger and go deeper in the subject. I can’t speak for the years after the first one, but I think that it really depends on what you do.
Nah physics is way harder, there is a reason why we often study "more idealised" problems, and it is because we study harder problems that require you more capacity of abstraction and we search for exact solutions instead of approximations(hence all the memes we make about engineers), since we are concerned to get to the meat of the physics itself instead of applications. Furthermore, we don't always idealise, there are many problems in physics that require you to do "real world" stuff, who do you think takes care about determining how the gravitational influence of the moon influences the structure of the earth for example? Or how stars grow and evolve? (this requires quantum mechanics, Fluid dynamics, general relativity and electrodynamics combined, in regular English, hell)
I know this channel is directed at ppl with more academic paths, but I’ve heard that most music-related majors are known to be especially rigorous. I’ve heard stories of some of these kids practicing between 3-5 hours a day on top of their papers and what-not, and people who major in music education especially often have to learn 5+ new instruments in the span of a year or two, which is a simply incredible feat for someone who still has to write papers for every other class. Idk how they do it
Music education is the most strenuous education program. My band director took like 26 credits per semester because you have to if you want to get all your required classes.
For arts, music and maybe philosophy and that stuff you need to have other cognitive abilities. Philosophers have the second highest IQ because they need to think very flexible, in the most abstract thing, about things you dont know actually and need sense for art in some way, hard do describe. Especially when it comed to continental philosophy (nietzsche). My point: a rank list like this is very vaguer, because every subject is very hard if you take it serious and the most hard topic is this topic what you just dont like or dont have a interest in it.
I majored in English and minored in music and theatre (mostly performance classes) AND I was working 2-3 part-time jobs and commuting 3-4 hours a day. I don't know how I did it. Well, I was writing my essays on the subway platform and train and practicing my songs outside at the bus stop.
no literally! im not exactly sure about what ill specifically study, but i know i love physics and maths lol - and ive always found people who major in like music, or literature, or politic sciences SO smart. i've never had problem w/ subjects related to that stuff, since it all comes out kinda naturally to me? but then i see whats ahead of high school and god i would NOT be able to major in that stuff
Nice video. Quite flattering to see math rated so difficult. It's the perfect major for me since I have the short-term memory of a goldfish and love the precise, detailed nature of the work. I read somewhere that engineering majors secretly want to study physics, physics majors want to study math, math majors want to study philosophy, and philosophy majors want to be employed. Pretty amusing if a tad apocryphal.
That is the best joke Ive seen today, bc its so true lmao. I am majoring physics and I want to study mathematics afterwards, and philosophy was always one of my passions too. I have friends majoring engineering and they feel the same way about Physics as i feel about math. Did we just discover a new law of nature??
I assume it is because engineering, math, and physics are all closely related to each other. Philosophy comes in when you start to doubt the usefulness of these subjects in real life lol.
As a chem engineering major, I wholeheartedly agree that Physics is the hardest. Not only is it difficult to wrap your head around certain concepts, the ability to apply all the theories and formulas in a way they make sense to the real world is a whole other level. Engineers at least have some references to an extent but physicists basically start from square one
I had a good buddy that was an absolute mad genius, we would go on these prolonged debates during work hours when we were required to work, lol, I'm not ashamed to admit defeat, he won most debates but one thing that I will always remember is that he memorized all the U.S. area codes to telephone numbers and when clients would come in he'd be able to have conversations simply based on where the clientele lived. I asked him once what prompted him to go through that rigorous work to memorizing all of that information and he just replied " for fun ", lol. The guy wasn't living to his potential, I admired him for his intelligence but could never truly understand why he never finished his college career, he was a math wizard but I know he had a terrible childhood. Hope he's ok.
I can vouch for the last (1st) two: I started at CSU as a physics major. After 3 semesters I switched to mechanical engineering. I found that a major in thermodynamics and compressible fluid flow was not as difficult and I just wanted to get my masters and get a job. Turns out I got a job for J&J designing laser scalpels so the physics stood me in good stead, even managed to get a few patents. Working in medicine is very rewarding.
My son is about to graduate with his Physics degree with 3.90 gpa. He just finished research this summer at MIT. He is in the same engineering school as the cofounder of PayPal and the founder of UA-cam. I’m a proud momma❤
you can do it, as a physics major myself, I will say that it isn’t for the faint of heart.... in fact it isn’t for the average heart lol you need to have a passion for physics to get A’s unless you’re a talented super genius, but in the end, I find it to be so fulfilling and satisfying
heyy just go for itt.. i graduated degree in physics now i managed to be engineer.. physics is wide.. its really a good choice. alsoo physicsss really fun :) most important is just follow your passion. you got this :)
While I feel that this list was fun and mad sense, I'm a mech engineering major and I just want to say that, after looking at a lot of the comments, u should do what u do because u want to do it. College isn't meant to force you into hard classes just because they're hard. Make sure you are passionate about what you want to do and the classes won't be too hard if that's really what you're interested in, because you'll actually love learning it
Great reminder. Some people love to think they're intelligent to the point they feel like they have to choose hard degrees or else they'll fall under the "just average" category. It's fine if the degree you want to pursue is not on the list. Choose the degree that you are passionate about, don't let your ego decide.
As an Aero Engineering student, I'm flattered by your anecdote of your roommate to emphasize how dmart we are haha. However, i don't think it is fair to compare people blessed with genes to others who grind their asses off. Though I am proud of my successes, not only geniuses make it here.
My youngest child graduates in two weeks with a degree in physics. He has maintained a 3.8 GPA over four years, and I'm very proud of him. But I'm proud of all my kids. Physics, the classes, in short delve into the secrets of the universe. I think most kids can train their mind to achieve any major, but it basically starts at home. Train your kids on how to stay up with where you are at in the txt book after the end of every single day. Know it completely. Don't get behind, stay ahead of the curve, make A's. In high school, take AP classes. Your mind is like your body. Exercise makes it stronger. Don't leave it up to the school, teachers can't force kids to learn.
After 32 years at Alcoa Aerospace group and Ph.D. in Engineering Mechanics I can tell you that Engineering Mechanics is the most difficult major and the most universal one.
Engineering Mechanics - The universal "shot gun" approach to solving problems. Very involved mathematics. I congratulate you...or feel sorry for you :)
I realized the beast that is physics as I completed my required physics classes for my Computer Science degree. My respect for physics graduates is up there.
Graduated with a chemistry degree last year and now my master in environmental science feels so damn easy that I feel like I don't even deserve to get a cert for it lol
@@christopherreid3282 water resource management, ecology, toxicology, etc. My thesis topic was quantifying carbon storage in wetlands. So mainly on the scientific side.
sorry for noticing this late but a friend's child is interested in hydrology & environmental research and after her bachelors has a job with sensor analysis of water basins in colorado. However, she is wondering if there is a need to take a masters. I always have thought that a masters is somewhat like an overview of the field and prep for a PhD. What is your take? Anything to pass on?
What makes science more difficult in university is that you can't bullshit your way through essays and papers. You either can calculate something or you cannot -- there is no "that's not exactly what I meant" defense available to you. It's also a lot easier and more consistent to mark -- you are either right or wrong (though whether you've understood the material is another matter). Some people collapse in the face of this and other thrive.
I remember working 48 hours straight on a mechanical engineering project when I was undergrad without getting a sleep. Slept for like a full day afterwards.
You know what Shane, my degree is called Engineering Physics. Basically a combo of Electrical & Computer Engineering, + Mech + Some theoretical Physics and Math Glad I still have a lot of hair to lose
as far as how much theoretical physics you do, obviously theoretical physicist do the most (well technically mathematical physicists do the most which is what i want to go to grad school for after undergrad, but most people have never heard of mathematical physics) the. experimental physicists then engineering physicists, it’s basically an order of how applied your work is
@@skat3r430 Thermo was pretty easy for me, just be careful because its kinda split up into thermo physics and then statistical mechanics. And be really really careful with E&M, If you're using Griffiths I highly recommend working through and reading that book its amazing. It's really important to make sure you know the material for E&M because you only get through about half the content of the book before going into Electrodynamics in E&M 2 which is going to be hard if you don't have your groundwork laid down. I haven't taken optics yet but, remember it's all about the work you put in, you got this!
I ran out of money after my first year but damn physics is spectacular. Wicked hard but the satisfaction of solving a tough problem or a realization about a system was miraculous
I went back to school at 55 after a layoff and got a degree in CompSci and graduated with a 3.8, which I was proud of. The hardest thing was sitting class with 20 somethings because world had moved on. 😂 If any of you are thinking about going or are struggling, keep going! The reward is well worth it. Oh and you don’t need Ivy League. State school is just fine.
As someone who did computer science at MIT, I... don't agree with its placement. ... in that I think it's too high. I would definitely put it below chemistry. It may even be easier than biology. All of the actual difficult classes I took were optional. Even some of the fairly simple ones were fun as hell, though (6.004 was one of the best classes of all time). Anyway, math degrees have way too much variance, too. People taking math degrees vary to as low as "I want a STEM degree but want it to be easy", and a ton of universities (including MIT) allow a "flex math degree" where you just take a bunch of classes and get a degree so they can just take the easiest ones, stopping at every branch before it gets abstract. On the other hand, all of the absolute smartest people I knew at MIT did a double major in math and only took ridiculously difficult grad classes in it like algebraic geometry and algebraic topology. So it's hard to evaluate the "difficulty" of a math degree when you can make it as easy or ridiculously hard as you want. The smartest person *I* ever met, Dan Kane, went on to be a mathematician, even though he triple majored in math, physics, and computer science. I do agree that Physics was at the right placement. For sure. The minimum requirements for that seemed insane. Among engineering disciplines, I'd say the clear hardest was nuclear engineering and bio/chemical engineering come afterwards, followed by all the mechanical disciplines including aerospace, followed by electrical engineering. I did some electrical engineering for my CS degree, it was harder than CS for sure but I checked on the higher-end material and I still don't think it gets harder than the type of thermodynamics you need for the others.
I have actually have had the pleasure of meeting Daniel Kane too! He is advising me with my senior project, and I swear no matter how niche the topic he always either knows the optimal solution or is able to draft out the process on the spot. I'm just finishing highschool, and being exposed to such intelligence is incredibly inspiring going forth. Such a small world lol ;)
I think you suffer from the "I did it, so how hard could it be" affliction, very common among MIT students. You got a CS degree at MIT, and you are completely undervaluing what you needed to be able to do to achieve that. Like calling 6.004 a "fairly simple class". I literally got the old textbook today (Ward). If you handed that to 1000 college students from the eight majors listed, who would react how? I think that would place CS exactly in the same spot as this list.
This is why I'm majoring in Physics, with a minor in Lesbian Dance Theory. It's comforting to know that if I can't hack Physics I have something to fall back on.
I've got both Software Engineering and Aerospace Engineering degrees, so being directly acquainted with both fields I can claim with confidence that Computer Science (btw Computer Science - Software Engineering is the same thing, I had a similar curriculum that was described in the video, C++, algorithms and stuff) is way more difficult. It is hard to say from the salary wise perspective because it depends on many factors, but for IT there are jobs literally everywhere. For the entire duration of my not-so-long career, I worked in the Aviation sphere and was feeling myself perfectly fine if not to say great, but after the war in Ukraine the aviation sphere seized to exist, and you don't have that many options. BTW the argument about the super smart Aerospace Engineering student seemed rather funny to me, it doesn't mean we are all like that, I'm not that clever for instance, but still managed to graduate and get myself a really good job, you can find smart people anywhere Will Hunting was a janitor.
CS and SWE are not the same thing at all but I get your point. CS I would not say is very hard, in comparison to many other engineering and science majors, in my opinion. Everyone is different though.
@@АлександрДудник-л7з I don't know in terms of majors. At the end of the day it is just a name your school gave your curriculum completed. But generally CS is the study/science of computers/computing and is more theoretical. Whereas SWE is exactly what the name implies and utilizes CS in order to engineer software. It is like what physics is to a civil engineer. It's a bit of semantics and doesn't really matter since nowadays everyone just calls SWE CS anyway, but it kind of annoys me lol.
@@thefourthbrotherkaramazov245 The thing is, some universities name it computer science and make it to be a software engineering track, and in some vise versa.
I am in computer science right now, never thought I'd make into this degree but we're here. Discrete structures is by far the hardest course I've taken in my life, I understand basically nothing. I will update if I end up passing this course.
Shane should do an "8 EASIEST and HIGHEST-PAYING Majors in College" video next. That's what the people really want to see. 😂 Also, a great follow-up to this would be an "8 HARDEST Courses in College" video. I have a really good suggestion for that.
In 1969 when I graduated from Tufts University, the hardest undergraduate majors were History and Chemical Engineering. The history majors read several thousand pages per week and wrote lots of papers. The Chem E you already discussed, but it is a mashup of chemistry and mechanical engineering with lots of hours of work and labs.
@@andyc9902 Tuition was $3500.00 per year my senior year. You could buy a full-size Ford automobile for that price. Gasoline was $0.25 per gallon. Starting slary for engineers was about $10,000 per year.
It’s interesting to see how different peoples brains work when ranking these. I’m a physics and mathematics major in community college because it makes sense to me. However I have to take chemistry classes to transfer and it’s immensely difficult to me. Personally I would say chemistry is harder to me than physics/math. I guess the hardest major is the one you’re the least interested in. Update: I got an A in both physics and chemistry last semester! I didn't think I could do it but I did. I'm really proud of myself :) Update #2: Physics is too hard for me so I switched to engineering... that sentence sounds insane lmao but yeah that's my reality haha
Same, except I'm only a math minor. I'm much more comfortable with theoretical concepts and calculation than I am with hands on experimental work so that is a big reason Chemistry is harder for me. I also am not as interested in chemistry so that also plays a factor as well.
Chemistry can feel harder at first because chemistry classes are not taught from fundamentals like math and physics are. It's taught upside-down in a way, giving you the results first and explanations later on if you pursue it. But if you're ok with memorizing and don't care about the "why" then it's pretty formulaic.
@@logangantner3863 Yeah and, from my perspective, that approach is probably unavoidable unfortunately because most of the properties of matter found in chemistry boil down to quantum mechanics. However quantum mechanics itself is very complicated and anything beyond a simple hydrogen atom requires sophisticated methods of approximation such as perturbation theory which is something you don't learn until at least a second semester of quantum mechanics, a class I'm taking right now. The amount of physics prerequisites is so high that chemistry is initially taught as a series of facts without much explanation. Not to mention some things in chemistry may translate to systems so complicated that physicists struggle to accurately model them. I'm not an expert so I'm not really sure where the current limitations lie in modeling chemistry with quantum mechanics.
I got my undergrad in physics and am currently working on my MS in computer science. The hardest class for me so far has been an MBA elective where I have to write 15 page papers every week on really boring business articles. A lot of what makes something difficult is just where your interest and natural talents lie. I will say that it was really easy for me to bs my way through a lot of electives in the liberal arts/soft sciences, but I was never able to bs my way through a math, engineering, or physics course.
Really? Assuming you did electromag n gen tel together in the same course and two or three quantum mechanics courses you think that business elective is harder?? Everyone i’ve met even those who did well at my uni have burnt out or inevitably had to take bludge electives to keep up with the workload. And that’s even accounting for the fact that they were the best in math and science pre-U...
@@pugboi8017 Math was one of my majors, but writing long drawn-out essays for biology assignments or lab reports or for English papers was quite onerous. It's tedious and not something that I would casually reread for fun. Problem sets with proofs, however, required more mental effort, but there was the satisfaction of somehow deciphering the sequence of logical steps and noticing how much my understanding had grown. I remember reviewing my graded problem sets with fondness because it was neat to see that I had finally learned how to write some elegant and formal solutions for problems in linear and abstract algebra as well as complex analysis, at least during undergrad. In either case, aside from what I choose to do for work at the moment, neither has had direct practical applications to my daily life.
@@pugboi8017 lol yes, I had to take all of the standard physics classes to get my undergrad. Once you understand differential equations, most of that stuff is pretty straight-forward. The business class is harder for me because I hate writing, and I hate writing about boring business stuff specifically. So while there is less technical complexity in the business class, it is indeed harder for me to ace.
My son graduated with a BS in Physics and a BS in Applied mathematics. I always knew he was smart but I found out just how smart, to get 2 degrees at the same time. He now works in Clinical trials and research in Cancer and Leukemia for DUKE. I can't tell you how proud I am.
I was in Pre-med and 2 chemistry classes in I switched to nursing. I didn’t understand a single thing. I have a lot of respect for those of you who are studying engineering, physics and tough sciences. Good luck future engineers, physicists and doctors!
Great choice, I am a Doctoral prepared nurse, and we don’t get the respect we deserve, because to be a nurse you have to be smart in both stem and the arts. You have to be science minded and creative to be successful and that makes you a rare breed because the curriculum is rigorous! The difference is you are being taught by doctorate level nurses and just as our title implies “we care”. We don’t just care for our patients, but we do the same to ensure the success of our students! When I took chemistry and physiology, and pathophysiology, I was on my own! But when I took primary care nursing, my professors took the time to explain complicated biological processes to me and helped me to apply them to my patients in the REAL WORLD! Yes, that’s called clinical training and we get that in undergraduate school! No other major that leads to medicine gets that in undergraduate courses!
An underrated factor of being any STEM major is that you’re generally chasing an eventual PhD. That means that you should be writing an undergraduate thesis while doing research with a professor, and chasing leads on internships, and all the other stuff that goes into becoming a strong PhD candidate, all while nailing your classes.
Idk if you'd say underrated, it's kind of a shit factor. For physics, if you become a PhD, you're probably still not gonna get the grants you wanted and there's a complete vacuum in teaching at universities so you may end up as a professor which I guess isn't the worst job but I doubt it's exactly an area most aspiring physicists desire.
Not all though IT is also part of stem and im pretty sure IT peeps aren't chasing a PhD. Even the engineering side of STEM im pretty sure most are not chasing after PhD unless they're going into the research route.
nope, almost all of engineering and comp science stops at a masters max. That's T and E, 50% of STEM. It's only select disciplines like math physics and chemistry that usually get PhD's
I earned both an undergraduate and graduate degree in physics from UCLA in the '80s... it was hard work but I loved it. I still think physics is by far the very best degree to pursue for anybody who is really interested in learning how to *think*. This subject has served me outstandingly over the 4 decades since I got it. And, yes, my classmates and I were (and still are!) indeed very smart men (there were no women in the program); I fully admit that I, personally, was far, far from the smartest of my peers but what I lacked in super-smarts I made up for with effort and diligence (commonly 14 hour study days). Lol, I didn't know it at the time but those were the most joyous, exciting years of my life.
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Just got my math degree and I see why it’s on the list 👌🏾
Physics the hardest, I'm F'd.
What are your degrees in?
if your friend was really that smart, you really capped your knees not establishing a permanent bond with him.
Lol! That friend of yours wasn't John von Neumann was it?!
I met a guy in college that was double majoring in aerospace engineering and physics because he was ahead in school and was “bored”
that son of a genius..
Scary.
Man if only 😭
A childhood friend got a BS in mechanical engineering at a state school, did quite well, and went to Caltech for a master's. He then got a job at an aerospace company in California. He literally became a real-deal rocket scientist (working on satellites). Even as a 7-year-old, you could predict the path he'd follow. He had that kind of focused, ultra-precise, formal personality. His younger brother was completely the opposite -- a happy-go-lucky, let's-have-fun-and-goof-around kind of guy (he became an optometrist and is doing fine).
@ well damn... smart af
My son is going into his senior year in electrical engineering degree. Neither my wife or myself have a college degree. I’m happy that he’s got no school debt. We are paying for his schooling while he works to cover a lot of his living expenses. It’ll be an accomplishment when he graduates with zero debt.
That’s awesome I wish him luck
Ironic a university degree is 3 years & $30K USD all up in Australia, our Govt gives a small student living allowance & for my degrees my employer paid for 95%. No matter what you study ------------------- just finish it. I chose Business (Accounting) & General Science (Risk Mgt) with Masters in both categories. Working full time & studying at night was challenging but I have always been employed since I was 16. Passing exams does not make you intelligent - apply your knowledge makes you intelligent.
No but everyone’s gonna shit on him for using daddy’s moneyyyyy .. I hate that. As if it isn’t a good thing to get help from parents, especially if it’s for such an accomplished degree. Thank you for helping this younger generation.
@@JockStud self made, baby
@@gabriellebron9968 you have to be braindead to deny free schooling if your parents are offering it and can afford it. Rather get that than be some broke nobody trying to become “self made”.
IMO the hardest major is the one that interests you the least. To a large extent, difficulty is subjective and what you don't like doing will seem hard even if the concept is not inherently complex.
That is me with Computer Science, I really dislike computer science but it pays well and I’m willing to go through whatever mental gymnastics I need in order to trick my brain into liking data structures, doing proofs, and whatever other god forsaken thing I’ll have to do to try to get job security 😂
@@___Truth___
That's what you should do, what every sane person who want to get paid well do . It doesn't matter if you don't like it when it pays .
@@___Truth___ I’m not gonna lie, in a similar boat with computer engineering.
Personally I’m more of a hardware guy, but I have to take so much computer science classes becuase they are required so Ill have to force myself 😂 in order to complete
That's very true. It would have been impossible for me to make it far as I have if I didn't love what I study. It is hard enough even when you love what your studying. There's still imposter syndrome, self doubt, long hours working and all kinds of other stuff you got to deal with.
Uh no, i could do a psych major easy and it's the least interesting major to me. I don't give a shit about it but the classes are a joke.
So basically, nearly every STEM degree path
true, so basically anything with STEM majors, it is hard. Like me debating rn if i should shut down my laptop or delete all my code and have another break down or not
@@Bambammbi So, what did you end up doing?
@@grownsimba8120 computer sci minor game design
It's where the money is
@@LiztasticGames The money is in STEM “because” it’s hard. Salaries follow the supply-and-demand rules. If STEM were easy there would be an over-supply of workers, and salaries would then be low. Contrary to popular belief, child-care does not pay poorly because of the gender “pay gap”. It pays poorly because it doesn’t require a lot of skill, and therefore a lot of people can do it, so the supply of workers is high.
Me, a Physics major with average intelligence: I'm in danger.
Me, a pre-med major with no study habits.
You guys can do it, just don't give up at all, if you really want your major hold on to it. Well, I'm gonna major physics next year so good luck to us
It's okay man I'm a fourth year mathematical physics major and I have average intelligence too, you can do it they will break you and rebuild you lol
Imagine what grad school in physics is like… oh wait I’m here lmao it’s ROUGH y’all 😂😭🥴
Same, dude, same!
I just graduated with a B.S. in Physics. Arguably the most difficult thing I’ve ever done, and probably will ever do. It’s not for the faint of heart, but if you have a passion for it and are willing to go through hell, you can do it.
I feel you! Thanks for sharing that
I was a math+physics double major and when I transferred to software engineering (cs in engineering school) with a physics and math minor but like the classes are a breeze i don’t know why engineers make a big deal like it’s not even that hard. Plus engineering school has a heafty curve and I like I think I got a 70s precurve (average was 60s) for an A+ so 😂. I would say math is 1st and close 2nd for physics cuz math was the only major I think it got harder/stricter midst COVID
What are you gonna do with the degree?
At least you had the passion lol. Having passion and keeping that passion throughout a degree track is a major key.
Except when you take Physics in the engineering department, much harder.
I have a B.S. in Mathematics and graduate degrees in Computer Science and Computer Engineering. I will for sure agree that Physics is the hardest degree in a general sense. I had to take a few upper-level physics courses throughout my schooling and I was completely lost. The mathematics wasn't what got me, it was the nuisance of applying physics to real-world scenarios. It gets complicated real fast... I would much rather spend my days coding then do that ever again lol
Ditto that - BS in mathematics, also, but no graduate degree (actuary instead). I saw a few very strong students from my high school (like 1600 SAT types who skipped grades) spending a lot of time in labs as an undergraduate, and then struggling mightily to get a phD after far longer than 8 years total.
I’m in A level right now and completely agree. When the studied concepts are applied to practical situations it feels like a completely different concept
math is actually the hardest if you try to learn it to do research at the highest level, i just remember that a mathematician like Hilbert who just put in months to compete with Einstein in the general relativity theory
I got both outstanding senior award and excellence in undergrad research award in physics with a dual major (math) and 4.0. Got to grad school for condensed matter physics and decided it was too much...
Top of the line stuff is hard! I'm going into machine learning because many ideas from physics carry over (linear algebra, entropy, renormalization group, representation theory, etc). I'm so glad I'm coding more because it feels more practical and well easy... I really think it just is and physics is HARD!
In my own experience, I've realized that engineers and doctors are just a different breed. Sometimes they're not even the smartest person you know, BUT they're equipped to kill it in that field. Photographic memories and being high functioning on 4 hrs of sleep is their thing. They just see the world differently lol.
Photographic memory for the doctors maybe since their degrees revolve around memorisation. Engineers don't need to remember too much, more about problem solving and analysis techniques.
I've been told I'm a hyperfocused type of person because I openly admit I am a dumbass but when it comes to things I like to study I'll throw everything I am into it 😂
@@yt_nh9347 I'd argue that only certain aspects are memorization based. A lot of the memorization is just learning the language of medicine and reaching a certain skill floor. A lot of it is really procedural/logic based. Part of my draw into medicine is that every case is like a puzzle. Some stuff like anatomy and physiology, learning different tests you can run and what results they bring, and stuff like that are more memory based. But actual diagnostic medicine is much more of a logic puzzle than anything else.
Being able to get through the rigor of medicine is much more about how driven you are than your capacity to memorize.
memorization is just repeated process of repetition. both degree require insane amount of repetition repetition. Few who has photographic memories goes into surgery mostly.
Doctors are more about memorization, we’re more about conceptualization and execution.
After I passed my thesis, I literally cried and slept for 14 hrs, it is one of the greatest sleep I had in 5 years of studying architecture. I still can’t believe I survived and graduated from Archi school 🤧🤧🤧
Congrats!
congratsss🎉 u deserve it❤️
Cool
Well done !
Im a bit worried about that now since im going to study architecture ;^;
Me who's double majoring in Physics and Aerospace Engineering: *"Interesting!"*
💀
aerospace and physics me too
Y'all r just asking for death
Why do you choose death
Double Masters in physics and mechanical engineering in grad school. Yup I sit alone at parties 😄
I cried when I graduated from electrical engineering, because I never thought I would be able to survive 🥲
Congratz becoz you did!
I doubt that you did! Take a good look at urself again...
Agreed, still recovering from burnout.
Me too
me doing 3rd elec and currently dying...
As a physics major who managed to pull off a 4.0 by the end of my undergraduate career, I am humbled, but imo all my engineer friends had it wayy harder. Yes, the concepts and theories that we had to learn were arguably more complex than engineering, but engineering was much higher stakes, and the engineering professors would make sure that their students knew that getting the right answer was a matter of life and death in many cases, whereas 'being within an order of magnitude' was often passable in a lot of physics problems haha
I concur....
It's the old joke: a physicist wants to be within an order of magnitude, an engineer wants to be within one significant figure, and a mathematician wants to be within an infinitely small difference.
Humbled?
Is it because of the rounding errors lmfao
As someone who is about to get a B.S. in physics, I feel very validated by this. But, in my opinion, a math major is harder. Part of what makes physics so difficult is the complexity of the math we use, but we actually get to simplify a lot of it through symmetry and special cases. The math majors work in the theoretical and don’t usually get to make these simplifications.
I can attest to this... abstract algebra melted my brain
I'm doing a physics degree but I find the maths involved much more approachable than the never-ending labs!
Post grad Math>engineering. Under grad Math
i cant help but feel that his description of the math major difficulty is more in line with applied than pure math.
As a guy with a bc in physics: I totally agree. I definitely found the math classes to be harder. A lot of the hard physics courses are hard because it involves difficult math.
You know, when I was a kid, I enjoyed solving physics problems and "brain teasers". But this got old really fast when I took physics in college, where every problem in every homework assignment was a brain twister. It stops being fun when you solve a really tricky problem that takes a half hour or more, and then you still have five more just as bad that you have to solve before you can close the book. So yeah, I agree with your number one.
@Santiago Rodriguez Newton I wasn't meaning to flex. I mean a half hour for the TYPICAL problem. I certainly had problems that took hours to solve. It ground away at me, and took all the fun out of math. And THEN I had to take calculus III and linear algebra.
@Santiago Rodriguez Newton hahaha…so true. I’ve spend DAYS on a single math problem.
@@snwbrdn777 but once you get the math problem done, it all clicks for 90% of everything related to the topic. Meanwhile with physics, new conditions, new scenarios, and you have to recalibrate everything and wipe your desk clean.
@@mariokart493 that genuinely sounds like eternal suffering 😭💀
Doing my Masters in engineering been working on a differential scheme for 2 months now on a time space pde
It’s only hard when you don’t have a passion for it.
Yup
Having a passion for hard work Is probably one of the best passions to have as you see everything as a challenge and complete the hard shit for fun
Doing math is almost as great as playing videogames
What if someone dont know what's their passion?
@@muhammedraashid3667 Then they shouldn’t be in college wasting their money or creating more debt. If they don’t enjoy it they’ll never be good at it.
Beautifully said!
In my physics course, a group of six people bugged out after the first year and switched into other subjects - from medicine to law to psychology - mainly because they hated the course or were bored with the nerdishness of the other physics students. Pretty much every single one of them graduated with First Class Honours in their new subject, and at least one got the best grades in their department.
@pyropulse - You don’t need to explain. It was difficult even to hold a conversation with many of those in my class.
ALL STEM degrees have what they call wash out courses so the less dedicated or equipped are sent packing to less intense degrees academically
@@michaelkendall662 - Perhaps you misunderstood my point. The six people who dropped out were not bad at physics. They just realised it was the wrong choice for them. They switched into very demanding subjects like Law and Medicine and still aced all the exams!
Ummm, medicine and law are NOT undergraduate degrees. Sorry.
@@neilnorton5792 - They are in the UK (or certainly were when I was studying). They’re followed by a couple of years of compulsory practical training before the student can call themselves a doctor or lawyer.
i’m not sure why i wasn’t expecting physics to be number one, my grandfather told me his dad made him major in physics because it was the hardest major
Engineering requires a lot of commitment...many hours of studying, good memory,good analytical ability, very good foundation in maths...if you want a course to challenge your mental faculties, then Engineering will definitely push you to the edge.
"Engineering: where the noble, semi-skilled laborers execute the vision of those who think and dream. Hello, Oompa Loompas of science!"
@@dartherus just upgrade and improve your life...don't direct your frustrations at others...punk
@@dartherus Lmao, don't be so mean. Engineers do have some stuff going for them, although Physics is still harder and cooler.
@@richardhankombo3106 It's a quote, I'm not the author of the quote. But myself, as an engineer, agree on the quote because it's true, an engineer compared to a scientist is like a technician compared to us.
FWIW, engineers are the ones boasting and trying to present themselves as the top echelon, scientists don't use to talk about it.
just finished my third year of mechatronic engineering now and you are absolutely right, last year so last push now
Shane:"I tend to think that my memory isn't so great"
Also Shane: Has a doctorate in pharmacy*
lol
at least his memory didnt fail him in remembering he has that doctorate
I could never make it in pharmacy. There's something about the names they give drugs that makes it hard for me to remember them. I suspect it is the artificial, contrived to be spoken in all languages aspect of them. They don't seem real to my English-speaking mind, so I can't remember them.
@@Inkling777 I'm a pharmacy technician and after a while you get use to them. I had a Filipina professor who was hard on the students. We had to remember the brand name, genetic name, side effect, and use of the meds. That's for over 300 meds. Not to mention over 100 acronyms in pharmacy used for various reasons, and memorizing several formulas for weighing meds etc. If anything was wrong, the whole answer would be considered wrong. She was so hard on us to the point where, if you spelled one letter wrong, the whole entire answer was wrong. Trust me, you don't want get everything else right and just because you spelled pseudoephedrine wrong by one letter, its marked wrong. 🤦🏾♀️She said one of the reasons she was so hard on us is because not spelling the meds correctly or the math, can result in giving the patient the wrong meds, or giving them to much or not enough. She needed our spelling and math to be accurate in order to sufficiently help the pharmacist. I graduated with high honors thanks to that woman pushing me.
@@MrsNicolas Congrats bro
I have degrees in math, physics, and mechanical engineering.
In my experience, engineering was a cakewalk compared to physics and math.
Physics was difficult but some marginal students could skate through.
Upper level Pure/theoretical math however was it’s own animal. Real analysis, topology and abstract Algebra classes make anything in physics (including electrodynamics and QM classes) or engineering look like child’s play.
You had difficulty because what was integrated and formalized by Newton was stupidly divided into separate subjects. I had the same problem, starting to "learn classical physics" a term before I started to "learn calculus".
Wow!. Great comparison.
bro you 11 no you dont
@@Ananderson-z2eand how do you know?
I get you there. Abstract algebra....I could not pass that. My niece majored in math and found it 'kind of' hard at CS Northridge (The Harvard of the West...wink) If YOU taught engineering, it might the most difficult subject though. It really depends on the professors at the time of your journey. My Cultural Anthropology professor made that class one of the hardest I ever took; she often visited Africa and had a passion for the subject etc...nobody got out of that class for free, and 1/2 dropped out etc..
Just hearing him talk about his roommate is making me lose hope for myself haha
Try not to compare yourself to other people if your in STEM its unproductive.
@@calebschenck4493 hahaha thanks for the advice
@@riddlemeunknown6260 Don't feel bad. A lot of the times these "geniuses" tend to have personality flaws that makes them difficult to work with and tends to make them fall behind in the workplace where a lot of career progress is mainly interpersonal skills, sure knowing your field more than others helps a lot, but if you can't work with others it's rather fruitless. Rather spruce up your EQ and social skills, will benefit you far more in the long run since at the end of the day you are solving problems for people.
@@kazykamakaze131 cool thanks for the tips dude
As a physics PhD student, I’m obligated to guess physics as the #1 hardest degree before I even start watching. Time to see if it’s even on here at all!
Ego boost confirmed LOL 😂
Lol, congrats on correctly guessing.
Except you are going to die poor with a PhD in particle physics
Nice guess
@@danielkiruri4882 why?
Electrical Engineering: You start off by completing most of a math degree by the time you complete half of your sophomore year, and then you begin your electrical engineering degree.
Fact!
What even happened in telecommunication systems I just remember an angry indian man yelling words and numbers at me that I didn't understand
What math courses did you complete by the end of your sophomore year? I doubt if it was anything near enough courses for a degree in math.
@@alanjohnson2662 For my university, I had calculus 1-3. linear algebra, diff eq's and I believe 1 other math course by the end of my sophmore year.
FWIW for my ele curriculum you didn't have to take any extra classes to be eligible for a minor in mathematics
@@alanjohnson2662 Exactly as TheArnoldification stated, but add probability, statistics, linear programming, and engineering finance. And for what it is worth, I said "most of a math degree".
Love the Philosophy appreciation at the end
The point is, I’ve seen many people studying engineering without being extremely passionate, yes most of them are, but there is some one who can make even if it’s not super super excited.
But you will never find a physicist which is not crazy about what he studies
Because it's common knowledge that engineering brings money so it's in most people major options, while physics isn't know for that
@@nantae1047 only those people who work with semiconductors can make money
"Engineering: where the noble, semi-skilled laborers execute the vision of those who think and dream. Hello, Oompa Loompas of science!"
Facts.
@@dartherus i hate how accurate that is
I like how there’s still good quality college videos. Hearing that graduating in 6 years instead of 4 is more common really made me feel much better about myself/smarter.
Took a 1.5 year gap year for mental health issues (bad enough to have to medically withdrawal) for a while I didn’t even know if going back was worth it I honestly don’t know like do people that graduate at 24/25 throw grad parties…? Lol Thankfully I’ve finally gotten back and….I’ll say, it’s much much much easier to learn when you don’t hate yourself and think your future is closing in on you.
I flunked out of university, went to a tech school to get my grades back up, and graduated from the university in 4 years
I'm in the same position. I messed up my uni life and ended up wasting 2 years. I wanted to study physics but there weren't much opportunities for physics in my country. My parents (dad to be more specific) is discouraging me from studying an "unusual" degree. I ended up studying economics for over a year and couldn't take it anymore. I recently just dropped out of uni and enrolled to the ONLY private uni in my country that offers physics. I'm gonna be 21 next year so that means I'll be 25 when I graduate. I also dream to be a physicist so the journey is going to be long and arduous and filled with uncertainty...
When youre 24/25 not much is different compared to being 21/22 so i imagine so...
I feel better after reading this. I took part time classes for 1.5years for the sake of my mental health and this’ll be the first term to be full time. I feel more motivated now and I am determined to finish my computer engineering degree
Totally get you. Im 27, dont fret, just enjoy your study. Lots of people graduate and dont even work in their field of study. Just enjoy studying, be curious and be proud of your profession
I had to spend a lot of time to get good grades when I was pursuing my Electrical Engineering degree and later a degree in Computer Science, but I'm pretty sure I'd never make it in a major like English. Analyzing circuits and algorithms can be intriguing, but analyzing Shakespeare is beyond me. I can easily find the bugs in code (at least my own code), but not comma faults.
You make it seem like English Majors are the common reddit user that thinks they're better than everyone else
Same, I'm an EE major and could CS if I was at all interested (but I'm not because it's boring lol). But I could never do English because I can't read for shit. I always trail off into my own thoughts and can't read more than like two pages.
we're complete opposites. ;)
@@margaritasytcheva6341 right? i tried CS but it was so boring lol. do you find EE to be harder?
As an engineer the two most boring classes I took were sophomore literature, the poetry part specifically, and a management elective class that the guy taught as a sociology class. Just could not stay awake reading the material. The hardest class without a doubt was physical chemistry/quantum mechanics. The prof kept using high level math operators from a math class none of us had had and wasn't a prerequisite.
I double-majored in physics and applied math. I took a lot of notoriously difficult courses (real analysis, quantum mechanics, etc) but when people ask what the hardest class I ever took was, my answer is numerical analysis. It's a combination of programming combined with the most difficult math problems you've ever seen. Absolutely brutal, problem sets would take me all week, and most of the class failed or dropped out. I learned a ton and even ended up getting a job at one point because of my knowledge from that class though. Proudest B+ I ever got, lol.
Numerical analysis is not for the weak. There was a man in his mid-30s in class who was very confident at the start. I think he was a programmer of sorts. This grown man had a meltdown and cried in class after failing the first exam. I have no idea why he was so confident in the first place because I was questioning my entire life after the 2nd class.
I have taken physics, chemistry, biology, and a lot of math. The hardest course I ever took was organic chemistry.
My granddaughter is taking all these courses now. Going into her 4th year. She is studying to be a forensic pathologist. She always did very well in private school. She did have to do some tutoring in her chemistry. I hope the best for her. I know it isnt easy. Plus she works part time. Hopefully she will finish, and have a career she will Will happy with.
@@sharoncrawford3042 ok
had organic chemistry in high school. Slept thru half the classes in college. The hardest class I ever had in college was Geochemistry(that will make you switch to Recreation & Parks!). A close second would be Time-Series Analysis. But I NEVER took a biology class! EVER!! Not in junior high, not in senior high, not in college. And I don't plan to. I got all the biology education I needed from reading Playboy.
@@sharoncrawford3042 don’t care
Taking ochem right now and I hate it lol especially the lab!
When I heard engineering wasn't going to be #1 I instantly thought of physics
And of course your super smart roommate majored in aerospace engineering, he literally studied rocket science
Right!
I’m a engineering physics student and i was about to laugh when he say that engineering is not the hardest. I was gonna say that engineering finally is not the hardest. After seeing the first, i am crying rn.
Come to think of it, Engineering would not have been so tough without Physics, so not only is Engineering rightfully #2, it got carried
@@sunitsu3586 .i feel your Pains
@@sunitsu3586 Nah, no real math classes with the mathematicians, no quantuum mechanics 1 and 2 and also no statistical physics courses. Which are the hardest classes you can take in any university.
@@sunitsu3586 I have a Phd in Physics, i taught engeneering physics lectures, and i studied with a good portion of people in engeneering pysics, when we had the first semester with shared lectures such as mechanics 1. There is not a single subject that rivals the hardest classes in physics.
Engeneering Physics students have a much smaller depth in every subject. The 3-4 class4s that are a bit outside of physics are most of the time economics, which is laughably easy. A bit chemistry, which we physicists often tend to do too and of course IT clases, again something physics majors take too.
Every subsect is a dumed down version of what i had to do.
And thats ok, you do not need the same tools for the job. You are not describing the underlaying physics of this universe.
And btw, i would put Math on the nr. 1 spot. Math is the great kicker which makes Students abort their subjects.
If you master math you master everything else easily.
@@sunitsu3586 Now you make the 1% of OP ppl the norm. Thats not how it works for 99% of all students, even when they select their subject by talent.
You can take very pysicist and make him do economoics. Thats why the line is called "Its no rocket science". Those guys came form rocket science when it wasnt needed anymore and reshaped economics.
The equiations look the same.
I yet have to see one economist do it the other way round. (I am sure they exist, but the ratio of economics majors suddennly beeing successfull in MINT vs. vice versa see to be very low)
Most guys from math i know are also good at music and play at least 1, most of the time 3 or more insturments.. The kexyord here is most.
Most Musicians arent good at math.
Math is the big selector. You master it according to your needs or you die out.
This is a bit of a joke, but it non the less has a larger grain of thruth in it
-> It might well be that the big selector for species to overcome the planetary bound state is that they are to limited in their mathematical abilities to figure out what to do about spacetravel.
Therefore and as a physicist i have to give this crown to the guys from the Math department.
There's something people dont talk enough about CS majors, self study. If youre going to major in Computer Science, your life will be a whole lot easier if you actually like the subject and you spend alot of time programming or coding things for fun as a personal projects. I heard so many people complain about the classes, but the people I never heard complain were people who did it as a hobby. Its a unique major in that you can get a pretty rigourous education on it online by yourself just for fun and your classes/degree only serve as a supplement. Speaking from experience, if you work on CS projects/ mathematics as a hobby, you can A+ pretty much all of your classes with little to no effort. If the last sentance seemed ridiculous to you, CS might not be the major for you.
Wow.. I just feel proud of myself for getting a master's degree in Physics. Tbh I've never found any other subject as interesting as Physics. Even when I tried to explore or learn other subjects, I ended up getting bored after a while. I guess different people in different fields are just built differently. We all have a thing that comes to us naturally and we don't have to force ourselves to do it. ✌️
In which year you are
Where you take admission
Physics ❤️❤️
Flex on us
@@Error-br1uy 😁😅
@@PankajPalIScBHU I completed my degree 2 years ago from Mumbai University
Get ready for an avalanche of thirsty DMs from nerdy brown dudes 🤣
Havent even started the list but i already know engineering is gonna be on here
Thanks for watching
I can see the reasoning. I’m a Mech Eng. if you look at the curriculum of the degree, each class is a chapter of a physics book (statics, dynamics, thermo, heat transfer, kinematics, materials...).
Physics majors do the same but more abstract in nature. Arguably more difficult.
@@dinosaurdude5668 I think engineering is harder
Is mechatronics engineering hard?
@@triciamariefider7694 yes
I’m in the middle of my B.S. in physics. It’s really hard to keep up with all these smart-ass people I’m studying with.
B.S. M.S. Ph.D. (Bullshit-----More of the Same.............Pile it Higher and Deeper.... :)
None of them having burnouts? Even during quarantine?
@@kv4648 People that do physics enjoy the subject.
Same. I can't wait to get past classical mechanics because it's the hardest course I've ever taken
Try hards
My bachelor's is in mathematics. When I was a senior, there was a sophomore named Elana who had the strongest math skills in the school (including graduate students). She was double-majoring in Math and Biochemistry and she picked up a third major (a foreign language) because she had at least four hours a day with nothing to do (she also had a job). Each semester, she would have to get special approval while registering for classes because she always took 21-24 credit PER SEMESTER and aced everything. She can read anything one time and completely understand it and completely remember it. She was also totally down to earth and very kind. She was amazing.
How did she do after college?
we dont like her
Gender studies is difficult too. Man spend their lifetime trying to understand women.
lol
Lol
A herculan task. Stick to something easy....like the origin of the universe!
When can we get the “8 HARDEST and LOWEST PAYING Majors in College” lol
Some time in the future. Hang in there
@@ShaneHummus what do you say about HVac-R
That is this list minus computer science
Performing arts majors are quaking
Architecture should be one of those
I'm a mechanical Engineering major, and I breeze through my Calc and engineering classes. But the only two times I took physics classes put a lot of fear in me
Iam a Math major and when I was looking at the the list of subjects to pair it up with for my double major I skipped physics. It's the reason I passed Physical Sciences ( a combination of both Physics and Chemistry we wrote separate papers but the counted as 1 subject) cause I am more of a numbers than a reading person, but I still ran away from it. I took Applied Maths as a minor and it a killer. Students who did both Applied Maths and Physics said they were similar.
that's because mechanical engineering and calc are procedural and easy to grasp while physics is more abstract (which is why electrical engineering is harder as well)
Same here! I ended up switching my major to comp sci along a robotics route
@@yt_nh9347 Im trying to be as unbiased as possible but I’m gonna have to disagree. I agree that Calc and first year engineering courses are easy to grasp/straightforward looking back on it. Once you get into your third or fourth year, true engineering courses are quite opposite. Thermodynamics, Thermal Systems, Fluid Mechanics, Heat Transfer and Finite Elemental Analysis and not straightforward/easy to grasp (from my experience). Those first 4 classes apply to real world situations that require an immense amount of knowledge just to even start the problem
Calc 2 whooped my ass, and physics was not my friend either lol.
I am an aerospace engineer and I would put physics and maths at the same level; with engineering closely behind or tied (depending on the major). I believe the complexity in maths was underrated, the amount of abstract thinking required in the majority of topics is just insane.
Agree 100%. Maybe Math even slightly higher than Physics (MS Aerospace Engineering student here)
Thankyou, for giving me a glimpse of worth. Average here on a calculator two decades. Dang right it’s hard.
I said exactly the same thing.
People who say physics or engineering are much harder than math are probably thinking of intro calc and differential equations instead of upper division proof based pure math courses. Most physics/math majors would say that they are a very similar level of conceptual difficulty.
One thing I want to add is you don't have to be a genius if you are going for engineering but you have to have one trait that is to study consistently .
I was a mediocre student and got admission in software engineering and I am doing well.
I would say that being a good student has nothing to do with how intelligent you are. It's about study habits, learning strategies and how disciplined and hardworking you are. In my view good students are not those who get the best grades but those that are best able to cope with difficult material that challenges them. Many intelligent people are not good students but are able to get away with it because the material doesn't challenge them. So I think you are either more intelligent or a better student than you think. Perhaps it's a mixture of both.
@@jacobharris3002 engineering is all about challenging yourself it’s not even hard imo.
Software engineering is not engineering.
This video explains why the physics grade was traditionally the single best predictor of making it to the end of medical school. Presumably it meant high intelligence plus application or willingness to sit down and study.
Exactly!
No Wonder I made it through med school. I got A+ in my physics and Chemistry classes in premed 😊
@@pticman yep - congrats Dr. !!
I thought the organic grade was the most important. Physics is a lot more logical....Obama care not so much.
@@erics8302 The CONTENT of organic chemistry is more relevant to medicine, but physics is best as a measure of IQ + willingness to use it to study/work.
I'll receive my B.S. in Computer Science I'm August this year. The hardest thing about this major for me was the following:
- Computer Architecture
- Algorithms
- Debugging software
Computer Architecture was the course about how code interacts with hardware: you learn about assemblers, registers, caches, stacks, etc.
Algorithms can be difficult to learn as well as to understand how to apply them to hundreds of complex computing problems. And the fact that for almost 10 years, CS students had to practice dozens of these outside of homework/class time in order to prepare for interviews with the top employers of CS majors was incredibly challenging.
And building code on a deadline can be a stressful experience when you're trying to debug runtime errors.
I did debugging Qin my last semester(a week ago it ended) and it wasn’t honestly that bad, compared to learning the computing with maths modules.
Best of luck Jordan
Do you have any tips on how to be ready? I'm in my 3rd semester right now and just getting into Java programming. I'm really enjoying it.
This is why I opted for computer engineering instead. Even though I enjoy coding CS is too nerve racking for me!
What's the difference between CS and CE?
I took 1.5 years of medical leave. Took 7 years for B.S in Biology (Medical Technology emphasis), Electrical Engineering (Biomedical Engineering Emphasis), and Physics (Physics option). Those majors interest me so it helped me with my PhD in Materials Science and Engineering
I am not in college, but just from taking AP Physics C: Mech this year, I have no doubt in my mind that physics majors are geniuses. Now, if you are doing well as a physics major and have well-developed humanities skills (i.e. reading comprehension, philosophy, history, etc.), you've got someone who can very well change the world.
physics major philosophy minor here! Does that count 😄
@@icedtea4924 it sure does :)
After my freshman year of college as an engineering major, the hardest class I've ever taken was definitely AP physics C, specifically electricity and magnetism.
I’m a physics major going into my last year! Absolutely no regrets... I definitely studied a lot lol but I loved it too much to consider it hard work :)
Wow.
That's awesome!
No matter how hard your study is, it is still easier than dealing with some crazy colleagues at workplace 😁
Enjoy your study time.
This. I got my BS in EE from a top 15 university. I didn't survive engineering as a career. Oh well lol....
@@jlcarter04 because of colleagues??
@@joseestrada130 Most of my colleagues were professional, although you do have to watch out for backstabbers.
In reality, I realized that I didn't enjoy doing engineering as much as I did learning it. It took me a while but I am in a field outside of engineering that allows me to use a wider range of skills that I have.
(My professional journey also caused me to realize that my degree opened a lot of non-engineering doors that wouldn't have been open had I chosen a different field. People value analytical and problem solving skills and so they see those things when they come across an EE.)
@@jlcarter04 And what’s your “field” now? What, generally (if not specifically) do you do?
Management is the WORST. All the dumb peoplel incapable of doing anything meaningful climb the ladder and become management. Change my mind.
Physics PhD here. Happy to be on the top of the pile and have been helping students the whole way.
In India getting into a Tier 1 engineering college is harder than college itself cuz of the number of people who take the entrance test
Thanks for sharing that. The video is for the U.S btw
@@ShaneHummus yeah i know that i was just saying
@@hypexkickerz5323 Well, there is S, T and M in STEM if the E fails.
@@Tururu134 the top science unis also require you to take some of these highly competitive exams
@@hypexkickerz5323 sucks, accounting it is then.
Alhamdulillah! I graduated from Astrophysics (physics and astronomy) last year. Planning to go for grad school soon. I think Space science or rocket should be the first one! Well, it’s also under the roof of physics. Physics isn’t that hard but you gotta have real passion for it. Then, it’ll make you happy at the end of day.
I would take space science except if you to work for Elon musk I take rocket 🚀
Congratulations!!!
Nah, I’m in condensed matter (astrophysics as undergrad, CM in grad) but I think particle physics is the hardest specialization due to the amount of math you really have to be intimate with
nice my bro💜 alhamdulillah
MashaAllah, don’t let it go to your head. Your intelligence and opportunities are barakah from the All Mighty. InshaaAllah you can do something to benefit the world. 🙏🏻
That roommate is literally the main character from Good Will Hunting.
Yeah, we need more stories of feats of genius about this guy.
Or a clone of John von Neumann
"Literally the main character from Good Will Hunting"
You mean... IDK.... Will Hunting?!?! Lol
@@SlickRick4EVER looool
As an engineer, I'm OK with this list. Getting an engineering bachelor's was hard as hell but I'm not going to claim that I'm some kind of authority on what the hardest major is. I guessed right at physics being the hardest because engineering has required physics classes as a prerequisite. Those couple of physics classes I took were the hardest classes I'd ever taken. To me, the very hardest part of that was the electrostatics portion. My physics prof got hired on as the department chair and taught undergrad classes because it was a fun hobby to him. He was like this guru on chaos theory, his other favorite subject was electrostatics and he made a lot of engineering students happy that they weren't getting a physics degree. I've seen some seriously smart people around but that physics prof was a whole other level.
As a double major in aerospace and physics I’m surprised by this video, I personally think chemistry is harder. Then again, it matters what you are most passionate about. Someone who’s not interested in engineering will find it to be very difficult, whereas an engineer who’s not interested in something like accounting or finance might think that is fairly difficult.
Damn
Yeah double majoring in Microbiology and Chemistry, I'm telling you I wrote my exam last week and I don't think I got more than 20%😂😂😭😭
EXACTLY I think chemistry is FAR more difficult than physics. Physics may be difficult initially when you're trying to grasp the concepts but chemistry doesn't even makes sense 😭😭
Lmao I see what you did, you the guy the other commenter met in college lmao?
I agree
I like what you're doing with your video editing. Every time you talk about a different major you are in a different environment. Makes the videos more interesting.
Thanks for the feedback Sean!
I am currently doing my double major in Physics and Mathematics and I can feel you....sometimes it is easier to jump out of the building than doing my homeworks and assignments.....
Hell, I’m going to take math and physics in Utoronto this year 🔫
How is it going?
I am doing a physics-math major too. Out of curiosity, does your university mess up the assignature order too? Like studying differential equations before the necesary mathemathical analysis, or constantly using maths that you have yet seen in physics classes.
(Sorry for my english, I am Spanish)
i am too ✊
@@TheAwesomeMrBones That is everywhere my man.
@@jabigchad1749 I’m considering only math tbh it’s the subject I have the most fun with
I enjoyed this video. I have been a surgeon for the last 48 years, and had to go through all of those educational hoops many years ago, and I still remember those arduous times. Doctor G.W.
Graduated in Physics and tbh if you really enjoy it you wouldn't find it that tough. Now looking forward to get a master's and PhD too
Yes. I'm also gonna apply for masters now.
@@monojitchatterjee3185 Which institute are you gonna apply?
But in high school and first year of Uni, I found physics, maths and further maths the easiest once you are passionate about equations, abstract logic, derivation of formulas working forward and backward. It becomes really easy and makes one look really smart. It isn’t as tasking volume wise as the nursing and medical degrees but we all have our personal biases.
@@deepchaudhary9759 IIT Delhi
@@monojitchatterjee3185 Cool bro. I also got IIT Bombay and IISER Bhopal. Going for IISER!
I think all of these are extremely difficult. Engineering majors typically have to take some chemistry and physics classes as well as potentially thermodynamics. Engineers also have to take calculus 1-3, differential equations and linear algebra. A few coding classes are thrown in the mix too. Don't forget that engineering courses are their own beast which if you do electrical engineering includes digital/analog systems/signals, circuits, microprocessors, and so on.
Yes I think they are all difficult in their own way. Engineering is a very interdisciplinary field (depending on the specific type of engineering) but they typically take those physics, math classes up to the level that is needed for their major before focusing on the engineering classes. With Physics, you take physics, math, and coding classes primarily, but the depth you'd go into Physics is so much more (makes sense considering engineering physics classes tend to only correspond to the first year of a physics major), and with how it builds up, things can make a lot less sense the more you go into it.
I talked about this with my engineering friends (I'm a physics major) and what we seemed to agree on is that an engineering major spends a lot more time "doing" in that they have an insane workload whereas a physics major in the later years spend more time "thinking" because one single problem can take so much time that it just drains your mental energy by the end. Just my take on it
Chemistry majors also have to take calc 1-3, diffeqs and P-chem which involves a lot of quantum mechanics and thermo
quantum physics applications as well
Graduating in 3 weeks with my B.S. in Computer Science. Very humbling 4 years. Highly recommend it to anyone who loves problem solving and wants a challenge :-)
Great job!
Any tips?
@@zephyr-117sdropzone8 1. Start your assignments early! I can't tell you how many assignments I've worked on that took me multiple sessions to complete due to it's difficulty. (much better to handle vs. doing an overnighter haha) 2. Get a great CS friend group. You'll be learning so many abstract concepts that it's nice to see people's different perspectives on things! 3. Work hard and ask a ton of questions. :)
I got all the way to my sophomore when I changed my major from Computer Science. It wasn’t necessarily too hard but it just wasn’t what I thought it would be. I just graduated 3 days with my B.S. in Information Systems which is also about computers but much more broad.
I'd recommend it to anyone who loves computers and problem solving but isn't really into coding.
@@WaveManMike what's info systems like?
6-5 Biotechnology engineering:
Lineal algebra
Calculus
Differential equations
Statistics
Termodynamics
Biochemistry
Organic chemistry
General chemistry
Molecular biology
Genetics
Physics
Many labs… and more .engineering designing etc..
Ehh, who cares about the difficulty? It’s about how happy the career makes you.
Finished my bachelors last year in Applied Math with an emphasis in Partial Differential Equations. Those upper division courses made me want to bang my head against my desk but it was worth it in the end. I still learn math as a hobby even though I'm not in college anymore :). My current goal is to go through Leonard Susskind's Theoretical Minimum book series to learn physics.
Well, I'm a Physics Major. Physics has always been fascinating to me since I was in high school and I'm loving it in college. Physics can never be boring until your basic concepts are clear and you're actually interested in it. I was quite bad at biological Sciences though and Physics was my saviour!
Physics would never be boring if what was "taught" today was presented in the same way it was first conceived and validated.
@@pssst3💯
As a Maths student, I wouldn't be surprised if it's on the list.
Edit: At least someone acknowledges my suffering :):
To add on, in Maths, you will learn modules which are so different from one another, they might as well be different subjects. For such as fluid dynamics (calculating forces and flows of liquids/gases), partial differential equations (have applications in measuring the change in heat), stochastic modelling (making statistical models out of data).
In addition, not only do we have to learn theorems, but also prove them. Another thing is that things can be so abstract, it sometimes feels like I'm working with hot air sometimes. How do I physically visualise a group, as opposed to a subgroup or a coset 0_o (many common words such as 'curl', 'group', 'analytic' have a completely different Mathematical meaning as well as using fancy words which hold little meaning such as 'auxiliary' and 'conjugate'). In fact, the word conjugate has a completely different meaning in the context of permutations and complex numbers.
Also, there is some overlap with other subjects, such as computer science and especially physics. You also have to learn a bit of coding (we learnt Numpy, Scipy and R [these languages are quite nice though]).
(Interestingly), not everything in Maths is accepted. There is a type of statistics called Bayesian stats which has some controversy attached to it, because it takes into account past data to be used with present data for modelling, as well as initial priors being subjective. I think it's cool though.
I hope you enjoyed my rant!
Thanks Shane, it’s a fun and largely fair list. I can’t resist commenting here. I’m a PhD electrical engineer. First point: Lumping all the engineering majors together is not helpful. Some engineering majors are way harder than others. Second, distinguishing between engineering and physics is artificial in a way because engineering IS applied physics. And “applied” doesn’t mean easier. Physicists get to study idealized problems with “beautiful” mathematical closed-form solutions, (the “spherical horse,” anyone?), but engineers have to deal with real natural objects and processes with all their messy imperfections. Anecdotally, they are probably equally smart, the three or four people I’ve known that I would consider geniuses are either electrical engineers or physicists. For my money, the hardest subject in the world is pure math. Some people have amazing abilities for abstract thinking.
I have taken both and at least for the first year it’s not comparable. All the exams are much harder in physics 1 and 2, calc 1 and 2, general physics, linear algebra are way bigger and go deeper in the subject.
I can’t speak for the years after the first one, but I think that it really depends on what you do.
Nah physics is way harder, there is a reason why we often study "more idealised" problems, and it is because we study harder problems that require you more capacity of abstraction and we search for exact solutions instead of approximations(hence all the memes we make about engineers), since we are concerned to get to the meat of the physics itself instead of applications. Furthermore, we don't always idealise, there are many problems in physics that require you to do "real world" stuff, who do you think takes care about determining how the gravitational influence of the moon influences the structure of the earth for example? Or how stars grow and evolve? (this requires quantum mechanics, Fluid dynamics, general relativity and electrodynamics combined, in regular English, hell)
@@marcossidoruk8033 and do what have you discovered as a physicist ? rate of flow of your feces into your mouth?
@@eustasskidd07 what the hell? Why be mean? Lmao.
I know this channel is directed at ppl with more academic paths, but I’ve heard that most music-related majors are known to be especially rigorous. I’ve heard stories of some of these kids practicing between 3-5 hours a day on top of their papers and what-not, and people who major in music education especially often have to learn 5+ new instruments in the span of a year or two, which is a simply incredible feat for someone who still has to write papers for every other class. Idk how they do it
Music education is the most strenuous education program. My band director took like 26 credits per semester because you have to if you want to get all your required classes.
For arts, music and maybe philosophy and that stuff you need to have other cognitive abilities. Philosophers have the second highest IQ because they need to think very flexible, in the most abstract thing, about things you dont know actually and need sense for art in some way, hard do describe. Especially when it comed to continental philosophy (nietzsche).
My point: a rank list like this is very vaguer, because every subject is very hard if you take it serious and the most hard topic is this topic what you just dont like or dont have a interest in it.
@@nayjer2576 agreed. Also funny (and kinda annoying) how there's isn't a single humanities major on the list
I majored in English and minored in music and theatre (mostly performance classes) AND I was working 2-3 part-time jobs and commuting 3-4 hours a day. I don't know how I did it. Well, I was writing my essays on the subway platform and train and practicing my songs outside at the bus stop.
no literally! im not exactly sure about what ill specifically study, but i know i love physics and maths lol - and ive always found people who major in like music, or literature, or politic sciences SO smart. i've never had problem w/ subjects related to that stuff, since it all comes out kinda naturally to me? but then i see whats ahead of high school and god i would NOT be able to major in that stuff
Nice video. Quite flattering to see math rated so difficult. It's the perfect major for me since I have the short-term memory of a goldfish and love the precise, detailed nature of the work.
I read somewhere that engineering majors secretly want to study physics, physics majors want to study math, math majors want to study philosophy, and philosophy majors want to be employed. Pretty amusing if a tad apocryphal.
That is the best joke Ive seen today, bc its so true lmao.
I am majoring physics and I want to study mathematics afterwards, and philosophy was always one of my passions too. I have friends majoring engineering and they feel the same way about Physics as i feel about math.
Did we just discover a new law of nature??
I assume it is because engineering, math, and physics are all closely related to each other. Philosophy comes in when you start to doubt the usefulness of these subjects in real life lol.
that joke is too accurate im a math major but would ideally want to get deep and philosophical lol
You are spot on. I'm a physics major and I want to do more math lol
Engineering I want more physics
As a chem engineering major, I wholeheartedly agree that Physics is the hardest. Not only is it difficult to wrap your head around certain concepts, the ability to apply all the theories and formulas in a way they make sense to the real world is a whole other level. Engineers at least have some references to an extent but physicists basically start from square one
i’m just about to start my chemical engineering degree! How’s the difficulty for you? Any tips to get started?
I had a good buddy that was an absolute mad genius, we would go on these prolonged debates during work hours when we were required to work, lol, I'm not ashamed to admit defeat, he won most debates but one thing that I will always remember is that he memorized all the U.S. area codes to telephone numbers and when clients would come in he'd be able to have conversations simply based on where the clientele lived. I asked him once what prompted him to go through that rigorous work to memorizing all of that information and he just replied " for fun ", lol. The guy wasn't living to his potential, I admired him for his intelligence but could never truly understand why he never finished his college career, he was a math wizard but I know he had a terrible childhood. Hope he's ok.
I can vouch for the last (1st) two: I started at CSU as a physics major. After 3 semesters I switched to mechanical engineering. I found that a major in thermodynamics and compressible fluid flow was not as difficult and I just wanted to get my masters and get a job. Turns out I got a job for J&J designing laser scalpels so the physics stood me in good stead, even managed to get a few patents. Working in medicine is very rewarding.
I’m not even in college and I’m still entertained by this lol
I’m 13 and watching this idiot wtf I’m doing
My son is about to graduate with his Physics degree with 3.90 gpa. He just finished research this summer at MIT. He is in the same engineering school as the cofounder of PayPal and the founder of UA-cam. I’m a proud momma❤
I just graduated from high school. I signed up to major in physics.... Currently reconsidering my life choices 🤦
you can do it, as a physics major myself, I will say that it isn’t for the faint of heart.... in fact it isn’t for the average heart lol you need to have a passion for physics to get A’s unless you’re a talented super genius, but in the end, I find it to be so fulfilling and satisfying
If you love the subject and are willing to embrace a challenge then go for it!
Mark my words, sweetheart, if you conquer Physics, you are beyond human. Don't be a wimp and own it.
heyy just go for itt.. i graduated degree in physics now i managed to be engineer.. physics is wide.. its really a good choice. alsoo physicsss really fun :) most important is just follow your passion. you got this :)
You still a physics major?
While I feel that this list was fun and mad sense, I'm a mech engineering major and I just want to say that, after looking at a lot of the comments, u should do what u do because u want to do it. College isn't meant to force you into hard classes just because they're hard. Make sure you are passionate about what you want to do and the classes won't be too hard if that's really what you're interested in, because you'll actually love learning it
Great reminder. Some people love to think they're intelligent to the point they feel like they have to choose hard degrees or else they'll fall under the "just average" category. It's fine if the degree you want to pursue is not on the list. Choose the degree that you are passionate about, don't let your ego decide.
As an Aero Engineering student, I'm flattered by your anecdote of your roommate to emphasize how dmart we are haha. However, i don't think it is fair to compare people blessed with genes to others who grind their asses off. Though I am proud of my successes, not only geniuses make it here.
As Elon musk, for rocket science there really is only 100%. Guess he means, you will be dead or your billion dollar rocket explodes
What year are u?
My youngest child graduates in two weeks with a degree in physics. He has maintained a 3.8 GPA over four years, and I'm very proud of him. But I'm proud of all my kids. Physics, the classes, in short delve into the secrets of the universe.
I think most kids can train their mind to achieve any major, but it basically starts at home. Train your kids on how to stay up with where you are at in the txt book after the end of every single day. Know it completely. Don't get behind, stay ahead of the curve, make A's. In high school, take AP classes. Your mind is like your body. Exercise makes it stronger. Don't leave it up to the school, teachers can't force kids to learn.
After 32 years at Alcoa Aerospace group and Ph.D. in Engineering Mechanics I can tell you that Engineering Mechanics is the most difficult major and the most universal one.
Engineering Mechanics - The universal "shot gun" approach to solving problems. Very involved mathematics. I congratulate you...or feel sorry for you :)
yes physics is hard but interesting. I am proud to have a masters degree in physics.
Wow good job on that!
I realized the beast that is physics as I completed my required physics classes for my Computer Science degree. My respect for physics graduates is up there.
Classic Newtonian physics, thermodynamics, etc... boring and/or headscratchers. Relativity and quant? Cakewalks. My brain isn't wired properly. GPA reflects this.
Graduated with a chemistry degree last year and now my master in environmental science feels so damn easy that I feel like I don't even deserve to get a cert for it lol
your masters in environmental science is easier? are you studying environmental ecology or policy?
@@christopherreid3282 water resource management, ecology, toxicology, etc. My thesis topic was quantifying carbon storage in wetlands. So mainly on the scientific side.
@@katarzynanowak9017 that is interesting my interest is environmental geology, hydrogeology and marine ecology
sorry for noticing this late but a friend's child is interested in hydrology & environmental research and after her bachelors has a job with sensor analysis of water basins in colorado. However, she is wondering if there is a need to take a masters. I always have thought that a masters is somewhat like an overview of the field and prep for a PhD. What is your take? Anything to pass on?
Are you asking me or Katarina nowak
What makes science more difficult in university is that you can't bullshit your way through essays and papers. You either can calculate something or you cannot -- there is no "that's not exactly what I meant" defense available to you. It's also a lot easier and more consistent to mark -- you are either right or wrong (though whether you've understood the material is another matter). Some people collapse in the face of this and other thrive.
Yeah I thrive on it. Make me write am essay I collapse and die. Anything math related I smile. I'm about to be a junior in highschool.
I remember working 48 hours straight on a mechanical engineering project when I was undergrad without getting a sleep. Slept for like a full day afterwards.
You know what Shane, my degree is called Engineering Physics.
Basically a combo of Electrical & Computer Engineering, + Mech + Some theoretical Physics and Math
Glad I still have a lot of hair to lose
Omg 😲
haha Best of luck!
@@ShaneHummus Thanks!
bro I literally noticed how shit my hair is getting couple of months into my 1st year. I hope it's just shedding and to AA.
as far as how much theoretical physics you do, obviously theoretical physicist do the most (well technically mathematical physicists do the most which is what i want to go to grad school for after undergrad, but most people have never heard of mathematical physics) the. experimental physicists then engineering physicists, it’s basically an order of how applied your work is
Entering my third year in physics!!🤓
Good luck Arthur!
Awesome! I actually just finished my third year and it was pretty good. If you work hard you can definitely get As! Good luck
@@143Oshawott nice! I’m taking thermo and E&M for the fall. optics for the spring. How’d you feel about those?
@@skat3r430 Thermo was pretty easy for me, just be careful because its kinda split up into thermo physics and then statistical mechanics. And be really really careful with E&M, If you're using Griffiths I highly recommend working through and reading that book its amazing. It's really important to make sure you know the material for E&M because you only get through about half the content of the book before going into Electrodynamics in E&M 2 which is going to be hard if you don't have your groundwork laid down. I haven't taken optics yet but, remember it's all about the work you put in, you got this!
I ran out of money after my first year but damn physics is spectacular. Wicked hard but the satisfaction of solving a tough problem or a realization about a system was miraculous
I went back to school at 55 after a layoff and got a degree in CompSci and graduated with a 3.8, which I was proud of. The hardest thing was sitting class with 20 somethings because world had moved on. 😂 If any of you are thinking about going or are struggling, keep going! The reward is well worth it. Oh and you don’t need Ivy League. State school is just fine.
As someone who did computer science at MIT, I... don't agree with its placement.
... in that I think it's too high. I would definitely put it below chemistry. It may even be easier than biology. All of the actual difficult classes I took were optional. Even some of the fairly simple ones were fun as hell, though (6.004 was one of the best classes of all time).
Anyway, math degrees have way too much variance, too. People taking math degrees vary to as low as "I want a STEM degree but want it to be easy", and a ton of universities (including MIT) allow a "flex math degree" where you just take a bunch of classes and get a degree so they can just take the easiest ones, stopping at every branch before it gets abstract. On the other hand, all of the absolute smartest people I knew at MIT did a double major in math and only took ridiculously difficult grad classes in it like algebraic geometry and algebraic topology. So it's hard to evaluate the "difficulty" of a math degree when you can make it as easy or ridiculously hard as you want. The smartest person *I* ever met, Dan Kane, went on to be a mathematician, even though he triple majored in math, physics, and computer science.
I do agree that Physics was at the right placement. For sure. The minimum requirements for that seemed insane.
Among engineering disciplines, I'd say the clear hardest was nuclear engineering and bio/chemical engineering come afterwards, followed by all the mechanical disciplines including aerospace, followed by electrical engineering. I did some electrical engineering for my CS degree, it was harder than CS for sure but I checked on the higher-end material and I still don't think it gets harder than the type of thermodynamics you need for the others.
I have actually have had the pleasure of meeting Daniel Kane too! He is advising me with my senior project, and I swear no matter how niche the topic he always either knows the optimal solution or is able to draft out the process on the spot.
I'm just finishing highschool, and being exposed to such intelligence is incredibly inspiring going forth.
Such a small world lol ;)
I also think he put CS too high on the list. Architecture too.
I think you suffer from the "I did it, so how hard could it be" affliction, very common among MIT students. You got a CS degree at MIT, and you are completely undervaluing what you needed to be able to do to achieve that. Like calling 6.004 a "fairly simple class". I literally got the old textbook today (Ward). If you handed that to 1000 college students from the eight majors listed, who would react how? I think that would place CS exactly in the same spot as this list.
I'd have to agree here, I would rather sit through ANY comp sci course than take organic chemistry, it's known as a weed out course for a reason.
@@TheHipsterGamer mostly for pre-med track. Data structures is our "weed out" course and we also take diff eq which is another of those.
This is why I'm majoring in Physics, with a minor in Lesbian Dance Theory. It's comforting to know that if I can't hack Physics I have something to fall back on.
So basically the STEM field
Right
I've got both Software Engineering and Aerospace Engineering degrees, so being directly acquainted with both fields I can claim with confidence that Computer Science (btw Computer Science - Software Engineering is the same thing, I had a similar curriculum that was described in the video, C++, algorithms and stuff) is way more difficult. It is hard to say from the salary wise perspective because it depends on many factors, but for IT there are jobs literally everywhere. For the entire duration of my not-so-long career, I worked in the Aviation sphere and was feeling myself perfectly fine if not to say great, but after the war in Ukraine the aviation sphere seized to exist, and you don't have that many options. BTW the argument about the super smart Aerospace Engineering student seemed rather funny to me, it doesn't mean we are all like that, I'm not that clever for instance, but still managed to graduate and get myself a really good job, you can find smart people anywhere Will Hunting was a janitor.
CS and SWE are not the same thing at all but I get your point. CS I would not say is very hard, in comparison to many other engineering and science majors, in my opinion. Everyone is different though.
@@thefourthbrotherkaramazov245 what’s the difference? I didn’t study CS, but curriculum seem pretty similar to what I’ve studied
@@АлександрДудник-л7з I don't know in terms of majors. At the end of the day it is just a name your school gave your curriculum completed. But generally CS is the study/science of computers/computing and is more theoretical. Whereas SWE is exactly what the name implies and utilizes CS in order to engineer software. It is like what physics is to a civil engineer.
It's a bit of semantics and doesn't really matter since nowadays everyone just calls SWE CS anyway, but it kind of annoys me lol.
@@thefourthbrotherkaramazov245 The thing is, some universities name it computer science and make it to be a software engineering track, and in some vise versa.
You could also be a smart and humble person who majored in Aerospace Engineering. Just my thought.
I am in computer science right now, never thought I'd make into this degree but we're here. Discrete structures is by far the hardest course I've taken in my life, I understand basically nothing. I will update if I end up passing this course.
Data structure is even more difficult.
Update: I passed discrete structures 1 and 2 🎉🎉
Congrats my friend 🎊
Wishing you the best and Good luck on the reminder of your degree
Algorithm design is hell too
I feel you mate
Shane should do an "8 EASIEST and HIGHEST-PAYING Majors in College" video next. That's what the people really want to see. 😂
Also, a great follow-up to this would be an "8 HARDEST Courses in College" video. I have a really good suggestion for that.
Great idea!
@@ShaneHummus no i want the “8 HARDEST and LOWEST PAYING Majors in College” lol
@@spicyshizz2850 lmao, epic vid
I feel like bussiness majors would top the list for easy majors that pay well.
Search for top ten most often failed college courses for an informative list.
In 1969 when I graduated from Tufts University, the hardest undergraduate majors were History and Chemical Engineering. The history majors read several thousand pages per week and wrote lots of papers. The Chem E you already discussed, but it is a mashup of chemistry and mechanical engineering with lots of hours of work and labs.
How much was tution
@@andyc9902 Tuition was $3500.00 per year my senior year. You could buy a full-size Ford automobile for that price. Gasoline was $0.25 per gallon. Starting slary for engineers was about $10,000 per year.
It’s interesting to see how different peoples brains work when ranking these. I’m a physics and mathematics major in community college because it makes sense to me. However I have to take chemistry classes to transfer and it’s immensely difficult to me. Personally I would say chemistry is harder to me than physics/math. I guess the hardest major is the one you’re the least interested in.
Update: I got an A in both physics and chemistry last semester! I didn't think I could do it but I did. I'm really proud of myself :)
Update #2: Physics is too hard for me so I switched to engineering... that sentence sounds insane lmao but yeah that's my reality haha
Same, except I'm only a math minor. I'm much more comfortable with theoretical concepts and calculation than I am with hands on experimental work so that is a big reason Chemistry is harder for me. I also am not as interested in chemistry so that also plays a factor as well.
Yeah same chemistry fucked me up
I’m an engineering major and I absolutely shut down when I see anything chemistry related
Chemistry can feel harder at first because chemistry classes are not taught from fundamentals like math and physics are. It's taught upside-down in a way, giving you the results first and explanations later on if you pursue it. But if you're ok with memorizing and don't care about the "why" then it's pretty formulaic.
@@logangantner3863 Yeah and, from my perspective, that approach is probably unavoidable unfortunately because most of the properties of matter found in chemistry boil down to quantum mechanics. However quantum mechanics itself is very complicated and anything beyond a simple hydrogen atom requires sophisticated methods of approximation such as perturbation theory which is something you don't learn until at least a second semester of quantum mechanics, a class I'm taking right now. The amount of physics prerequisites is so high that chemistry is initially taught as a series of facts without much explanation.
Not to mention some things in chemistry may translate to systems so complicated that physicists struggle to accurately model them. I'm not an expert so I'm not really sure where the current limitations lie in modeling chemistry with quantum mechanics.
I thought he would say that the person who had applied four years in row finally passed on the last year. 😂
But she gave up. 💔😭
lol
I got my undergrad in physics and am currently working on my MS in computer science. The hardest class for me so far has been an MBA elective where I have to write 15 page papers every week on really boring business articles. A lot of what makes something difficult is just where your interest and natural talents lie. I will say that it was really easy for me to bs my way through a lot of electives in the liberal arts/soft sciences, but I was never able to bs my way through a math, engineering, or physics course.
Thanks for sharing that. Best of luck!
Really? Assuming you did electromag n gen tel together in the same course and two or three quantum mechanics courses you think that business elective is harder?? Everyone i’ve met even those who did well at my uni have burnt out or inevitably had to take bludge electives to keep up with the workload. And that’s even accounting for the fact that they were the best in math and science pre-U...
@@pugboi8017 Math was one of my majors, but writing long drawn-out essays for biology assignments or lab reports or for English papers was quite onerous. It's tedious and not something that I would casually reread for fun. Problem sets with proofs, however, required more mental effort, but there was the satisfaction of somehow deciphering the sequence of logical steps and noticing how much my understanding had grown. I remember reviewing my graded problem sets with fondness because it was neat to see that I had finally learned how to write some elegant and formal solutions for problems in linear and abstract algebra as well as complex analysis, at least during undergrad.
In either case, aside from what I choose to do for work at the moment, neither has had direct practical applications to my daily life.
@@pugboi8017 lol yes, I had to take all of the standard physics classes to get my undergrad. Once you understand differential equations, most of that stuff is pretty straight-forward. The business class is harder for me because I hate writing, and I hate writing about boring business stuff specifically. So while there is less technical complexity in the business class, it is indeed harder for me to ace.
Robotics Engineering is also harrrd af man…the recommended hours of study is 40 a week and I can’t even barely do 25 😢😢
Right
lovee that that’s my major 😐
40 a week damn thats a full time job
In my university the average hours of study is 55h a week..........
@@vlt-music jeeezuss gl bro
My son graduated with a BS in Physics and a BS in Applied mathematics. I always knew he was smart but I found out just how smart, to get 2 degrees at the same time. He now works in Clinical trials and research in Cancer and Leukemia for DUKE. I can't tell you how proud I am.
I was in Pre-med and 2 chemistry classes in I switched to nursing. I didn’t understand a single thing. I have a lot of respect for those of you who are studying engineering, physics and tough sciences. Good luck future engineers, physicists and doctors!
As if nursing was the easiest there is 🙄🙄
Great choice, I am a Doctoral prepared nurse, and we don’t get the respect we deserve, because to be a nurse you have to be smart in both stem and the arts. You have to be science minded and creative to be successful and that makes you a rare breed because the curriculum is rigorous! The difference is you are being taught by doctorate level nurses and just as our title implies “we care”. We don’t just care for our patients, but we do the same to ensure the success of our students! When I took chemistry and physiology, and pathophysiology, I was on my own! But when I took primary care nursing, my professors took the time to explain complicated biological processes to me and helped me to apply them to my patients in the REAL WORLD! Yes, that’s called clinical training and we get that in undergraduate school! No other major that leads to medicine gets that in undergraduate courses!
An underrated factor of being any STEM major is that you’re generally chasing an eventual PhD. That means that you should be writing an undergraduate thesis while doing research with a professor, and chasing leads on internships, and all the other stuff that goes into becoming a strong PhD candidate, all while nailing your classes.
Idk if you'd say underrated, it's kind of a shit factor. For physics, if you become a PhD, you're probably still not gonna get the grants you wanted and there's a complete vacuum in teaching at universities so you may end up as a professor which I guess isn't the worst job but I doubt it's exactly an area most aspiring physicists desire.
Not all though IT is also part of stem and im pretty sure IT peeps aren't chasing a PhD.
Even the engineering side of STEM im pretty sure most are not chasing after PhD unless they're going into the research route.
nope, almost all of engineering and comp science stops at a masters max. That's T and E, 50% of STEM. It's only select disciplines like math physics and chemistry that usually get PhD's
I earned both an undergraduate and graduate degree in physics from UCLA in the '80s... it was hard work but I loved it. I still think physics is by far the very best degree to pursue for anybody who is really interested in learning how to *think*. This subject has served me outstandingly over the 4 decades since I got it. And, yes, my classmates and I were (and still are!) indeed very smart men (there were no women in the program); I fully admit that I, personally, was far, far from the smartest of my peers but what I lacked in super-smarts I made up for with effort and diligence (commonly 14 hour study days). Lol, I didn't know it at the time but those were the most joyous, exciting years of my life.