Finn and Marceline relationship early on really does hit differently when you consider Marceline relationship with humans and makes your wonder how she reacted to seeing a human after 1000 years
"Umm, why didn't you kill me?" "Cuz that was fun, Oh, I haven't that much fun in years, thanks Finn" I haven't watched that episode in years and I still remember those lines.
The thing that always made Finn a weird option for shipping to me, is that his design in the original series never changed. At sixteen he still looked the same as he did on twelve.
@@spoingelerboib When I was a kid relationships, being portrayed in the media always annoys me because I just didn’t get it. It’s only after realizing I’m asexual that I finally get the appeal of people being cute with each other instead of thinking it’s weird I’ll just change the Contacts to something that makes way more sense for me.
As a guy who’s bestfriends are women it’s always nice to see a show acknowledge that it doesn’t always have to be a romantic relationship between the two.
I’m a woman and I had a best male friend in middle school and everyone INSISTED we were dating. We literally had to stage a public breakup to get it to stop
I genuinely like their friendship. It’s almost like a little brother big sister dynamic. Which is probably why Finn felt so scarred when he accidentally saw Marcy in the nude. My god that went over my head as a kid!😂
I don't think the romantic type of love is special and I think that the romantic type of love isn't real. More than half of romantic couples either break up with each other or divorce each other, while most platonic best friends remain friends until death. I think that having a platonic best friend is a lot better than having a romantic partner or spouse is. Having someone who's like a sibling to you is a lot better than having a romantic partner or spouse. Also, you are more likely to be much more closer to someone who's like a brother or sister to you than you would be with a romantic partner or spouse. People tend to fight with their partner or spouse a lot more than they do with a platonic best friend, and you never fight with your best friend the way you fight with your partner or spouse. Partners and spouses are just temporary. If you break up or divorce them, it's hard to go back to them. With your platonic best friend, you're going to make things work, because they are your best friend, they are your go to partner. It's always easier to make amends with them than it is with a romantic partner or spouse. Romantic relationships are pointless, while platonic relationships are not.
I do not agree with the obstacle thing at the end about age. Age was not an obstacle that could be removed. The only thing to do was accept that the relationship would not work out.
Kinda venting but I had a former friend that's very disconnected from reality and he genuinely thought that a man and a woman cant have a friendship bc it will always be something sexual/romantic involved. It was genuinely sad and stupid
Yes. Men and women can be friends, but romantic feelings can complicate a friendship. It's difficult to reject a friend's advances and have the relationship resume as normal. It typically creates some hurt feelings and some distance between friends.
@sarafontanini7051 idk. Maybe they had an idea for it, but it's not uncommon for shows that run for as long as adventure time to pull one-off instances like that and make them plot points later.
@@chefcinnabutter Yeah, the idea that Gunther was secretly evil/super powerful was a huge running joke that eventually turned into the Orgalorg reveal.
The part where Marceline and Finn grosses out, let alone vomiting, over a romantic film with the couples kissing that they unleashed the pack of wolves for funsies is the epitome of "friends with benefits".
For me the mini-arc "Stakes" was the PEAK of Marceline as a character (obviously considering she was the protagonist) and while Finn had a more secondary role I still enjoyed their dynamic together since after that we had very little Marceline screen time on the story
"If you shipped Marceline and Finn, I know you just wanted Marceline." *looks at my younger self that shipped Marshall Lee and Fionna* Don't call me out like that.
Love is love, even in its platonic, unromantic sense. Once you have that connection between two people, the only thing that gets in the way is circumstance, history, what each person has gone through.
as someone whose best friend for the last third of their life is a girl I can relate to this. Like, people still ask her if I'm her boyfriend and like no, we are best friends is that so hard to get? also she's gay but they conveniently forget that fact
Ya whenever I think of the question of whether guy/girl friendships are possible I'm like "you know gay guys and lesbians being friends is a thing right?, also some times a guy will meet a girl whom he genuinely would rather be friends with rather than wanting to date her"
@@lucasallen5792 Or hell, a guy can shoot his shot, and if he gets rejected still decide the woman is worth having as a friend. It happened to me, she told me I wasn't her type (trans and probably pretty gay herself), but we still could make each other laugh and have a great time so I accepted no and the next day were were back on our usual bullshit with minimal to no awkwardness or hurt feelings or resentment or anything.
Marceline was one of my first crushes as a dumb kid and even then, I was still able to love and appreciate her character and dynamics with Finn, Jake and Simon.
I love their friendship, they care about each other but they’re the friend you talk about you partners about, it’s nice to see platonic love being shown between men and women without it becoming a romantic love
The trope of the younger kid crushing on a *much* older person is a very real thing most kids go through. Finn and other characters are super relatable in that sense. It obviously won’t work out, but in our little kid brains it might. When I was 7 I swore that I’d marry my 25 year old basketball coach🤷🏻
Back then I remember alot of people shipped Fionna and Marshall Lee together it’s probably because of the self insert thing and those genderbend episodes were so ship-baity there was so much fanart after
PLEASE do a fiona x Marshall video i am begging, it never occurred to me how while i was obsessed with them i never once considered finn and Marceline.
That was from a fionna and cake episode, right? Which in no way is related to Marceline. It was stories from prismos hidden universe told to us by ice king. So question answered she doesnt have ANY interest in fin beside a purely platonic friendship
I was so obsessed with Finnceline as a kid. Half because I was (and still am) a major Marceline simp, and half because I just really liked imagining their journey as a couple (although as a full grown adult who needs to rewatch the entire series, I've forgotten most of what I imagined). Go With Me was actually devastating, as it was probably the first time I'd ever seen an OTP get sunken so thoroughly, but it was easily one of the best episodes of the early seasons anyway. These two will always have a special place in my heart, canon ships be damned LOL
I think her kisses nowadays come more across as appreciation for someone being a genuine friend towards her. Which given her past makes a lot more sense than it did now. :3
@@Gooberwares Fair enough I kind of figured something like that was the case I shouldn't have been rude about it I'm sorry. I just saw this comment and was like wtf lol but I hope you are doing better and F the people who hurt you
Confession: I did ship Marceline and Finn when I first started watching Adventure Time (I was in my teens). I think it because I liked their dynamic. While I don't really ship them anymore, I still like their dynamic.
Finn and Marceline. An interesting idea, but was glad to see it end the way it did. As a platonic/friend relationship, with both got each others backs. As someone who’s best friend is a girl, I’d approve of the friendship Marceline and Finn have. That being said, Huntress Wizard was probably Finn’s best shot at a relationship with sparks.
I think Marceline shipping herself with Fiona was because she was trolling the Ice King who was shipping himself with Fiona. Though that's a whole other thing to unpack.
Thank you for talking about this! I feel like all these years later (in a post-Tumblr era) even other fans of the show don’t talk about the writing & fan-ship dynamics like this. Plus, I feel like Finn x Marceline was swept sooo far under the rug after S5 (2014?) that nobody cared to discuss/unpack it, and all we were left with were some 240p AMVs and musty forum fanfics.
I’ve always loved their dynamic- & if there wasn’t any hinky business I wouldn’t even hate them as a ship. I like Fiona’s dynamic with Marshall and how they don’t seem to have proper boundaries at first but still are friends.
Thank you! Finally someone said it! I'm so sick of both fans and creators acting like people of the opposite or same sex can't just be friends! I mostly blame shippers though. Creators kowtow to them way too much
Honestly I just *love* that shows are able to have a situation where a guy and a girl are friends who hang out and nothing happens between them, because every show - *every* show - has to do the “s/he’e not my girlfriend/boyfriend!” but then they fall in love (looking at you Danny Phantom, Ned’s Declassified). Believe it or not it actually made me think that this is how it worked, to the point that when I first got female friend I thought it meant that she was gonna end up as my girlfriend… (and same for the other girls I met later on!) Star and Marco were like this at first, where they hung out and had *great* chemistry together but they were just friends, best friends, and even to me they felt more siblings than lovers, and I absolutely loved it! We all know how that ended…
Never shipped Finn with the vampire, I just remembered enjoying watching them hang out and it helped me realize guys and girls can just be friends as I was growing up and hormones started kicking in.
With Flame princess is still my favourite. I won't force it but it would be nice to see a universe where it worked out since we're doing the whole multiverse thing now.
I’ll admit that I would’ve been good with shipping them together. I know ageing would’ve been a bit of a problem, but ageing wasn’t a problem in the MCU. Also I do agree on the shipping Fionna and Marshal Lee.
@@meachygnr17 OHH I thought you were talking about Flame Princess' weird interest in hurting people, not with Finn's dream that broke them up- yeah okay then I agree
Tbh their relationship wasn't going to work out anyways. "Opposites attract" is hardly true in reality, especially when you have to go through all of these hurdles to even show affection to each-other.
13:36 No, I didn’t. Marceline just didn’t give off those vibes as a love interest however, it’s implied that Marshall Lee in that universe had a thing with Fiona but of course he’s probably going to end up with Prince, gumball or wise. It also seems like Fiona was much older than Phone anyways so I guess since appearance wise, they were closer in age, so that’s probably why they had some type of thing together in their human counterparts. It’s confirmed, but I’m not sure if they had a thing in their land of counterparts, however, is much different, and I never ship them, because Marceline is much different from Marshall Lee. She never really flirted with Finn and even earlier seasons, she kind of somewhat had a thing with Princess bubblegum.
Funny thing is when I was in high school I didn’t ship Marceline and Finn but I shipped Fiona and Marshall Lee SOO hard. Then I saw Marshall Lee and Gumball/Gary in Fiona and Cake and fell in love with it as much as I loved Bubbeline
Finn and Marceline's friendship is beautiful. It was different at the start cuz they just saw a girl but now they see each other as chill chaotic mfs nailing the guy girl friendship
first time i saw this when i was a kid i didnt mind for Mareline X Finn but when i saw the the first fionna and cake episode i fell in love with marshal lee x fiona cause you cant look me in the eye and tell me saying "good little girl" and "bad little boy" is not "we break the bed" energy
One thing i love about this show, that I dont see in a lot of other shows is the older Finn gets the more mature his relationship with others become. An example is PB as a 12 and 13 year old Finn crushes on her and does anything to get her attention, even though it was never gonna happen. By the end of the series with Finn being 17 it evolves to a more equal respect mutual friendship. PB kisses finn in the last episode and if it was early season finn he would flip out and faint, now it seems like just two friends who been through a lot and grown to respect each other.
I remember as a kid I thought Marcelline was too mean for Finn and I was the type of viewer to think "The main character wants it, it must be correct" so it didn't click that he'd move on from bubble gum, meaning I never saw the shipping aspect of Marcy x Finn. Looking back, it's understandable, she was the first woman that he saw naked on accident even, but yeah it was obvious that it wasn't gonna happen.
It’s weird cause fandoms go on about how we need more f/m friendships (which is true) but ship two actual platonic friends. Although Finn/Marceline for me (don’t know if it’s true) seem closer to Marceline simps protecting onto Finn or at least the cool bad girl fantasy
I wasn't around for Wizard, never saw Marcy and Finn as romantic, and didn't like Fire Princess, I was also completely obsessed with Bubblegum so bonnie and finn were probably my first self insert otp
I love how their relationship was always treated as the guy and girl best friend duo and only once went to the idea of romance and it was cause of a misunderstanding
Finn and Huntress wizard is the best ship imo. They care about each other enough to stick together, but have a healthy distance to make space for their own adventures, not the most common dinamic but in their case i think it works really well.
I mean..... we do know of at least ONE person in the staff of the show who did ship Finn and Marcy. Coff coff Rebecca coff coff. but in more serious talk... it's kinda wild to me how much of a Shipper Rebecca Sugar is..... Her Finnceline sketches are one thing... But she also made the same kind of sketches with Greg and Pearl from her own show, and given that it's..... HER SHOW....... i just revel and cry at the same time thinking of the very possible scenario where Greg x Pearl could have been a thing xddd. Oh but... talking of the Finnceline ship itself.... im kinda on the same boat, i was also one of those people who shipped them back in the day... and although i got over it and accepted them as friends...... i still enjoy on the though-exercise of imagining them as a couple. This is one of very few cases where the age gap doesn't really bother me.... mainly cuz now i just envision an older and more mature Finn being in that relationship, but also in part thanks to the crazy setting that is the Adventure Time universe and how casual everyone is about messing with butts xddd.
I have to give adventure time credit. When i was a kid I used to ship rhem because Marceline reminded me of Minda from zelda, Thorn from Scooby Doo with a hit of Raven's daddy issues while Finn reminded me of Link. But as the series went on I quickly got over it and strictly saw them as homies.
I kinda...stopped watching Adventure Time after the whole, self sabotage with Flame Princess thing lol. So I didn't really see the episodes with Huntress cuz I stopped trying to keep up with it. I never actually cared for or shipped him with Princess Bubblegum. I was more interested in trying to figure out her angle with him and once I thought I had it down lost what lil interest in the ship I had. I really rooted for him and flame princess tho. I thought there should've been a few dozen different magical means for them to safely be together. And before that I did like the theoretical ship of Marceline and Finn as other than the stuff you said, there was also the novelty of getting to see a guy have a vampire love interest instead of the forever staple of a girl with a vampire love interest. I appreciated the switch up honestly. But the way Finn's relationships seemed to be falling apart no matter what and the slow depression he was sinking into was too anxiety inducing for me. I remember I only took a look at the genderbent episodes because my brothers told me it existed at some point and it seemed like a fun concept for the creators to do the genderswap officially instead of the fandom just doing it for lols. I was super into Female Finn as a concept. Fionna, being just as much of a super tough amazing adventurer as Finn and since she seemed a bit older that meant she'd be even more experienced and skilled and I was super onboard to explore that concept. But then they gave an episode focus to Marshall Lee interacting with her and...it was unfair. Completely unfair. 🤌🤌🤌 They gave me a canonically uncanon canon ship in a possible alternate world that I could actually stay on only to give no more content on it. But I'll never let it go. 😭😭😭😭
Considering the topic, kinda surprised you didn't talk about brad and jenny. It's been a while since I watched the show, but I think their relationship was completely playonic as well.
My friends and I literally just talked about this ship last night and had the same talking points that’s crazy. Including the “we don’t ship Marceline with Finn but we 100% ship Marshal Lee with Fionna”
If you have to restrain yourself from shooting the shots, it's not platonic in my opinion. If you feel no desire to shoot the shot, then you've got something.
The internet happened. Basically, Natasha Allegri drew a bunch of non-canon art of Marceline and PB together that made it appear as though they were an item. I believe she had posted it to her tumblr (Yeah, great place, right?) and people saw this and just went wild. If memory serves, there weren't any real plans for Marceline to have a romantic interest. Penn Ward mused about the idea of her being a potential love interest for Finn, but ultimately decided against it.
my favorite has to be huntress wizard. mostly because finn's atitude with her around is the closest to him with jake. with pb, he acts like a dumb kid that's ordered around, while with fp he acts very mundane and mushy. it's probably because he matured a TON before meeting huntress wizard( It's *right* after hall of egress)
Marceline, Flame Princess and Huntress Wizard were some of the best characters of the show. Outside of PB, Finn had great taste lol. While I wish Flame Princess was the endgame, Huntress Wizard was a great (potential based on Fionna and Cake) endgame. Also of course farm Finn even got with a version of Huntress Wizard. Loved that he had Marceline as a friend still, but PB was still a bad friend for more than half the show lol, she didn't help half the time
Finn and Marceline are one of the few fictional instances that give me hope on the fact that boys and girls Can be just friends in spite of any other circumstances, if that made sense. If I’m personally being honest, I did kind of hate Marceline during her first appearance for what she did, but I just ended up loving her character as a whole with the more lore that kept coming up about her. Loved her history with Ice King, and her getting (back) together with PB was the cherry on top, as the majority, popular opinion would be repeated. P.S., SC, I loved the callback to your ThunderCats video about the love triangle.😀
Kids crushing on older people in their lives is something most kids go through I think, you eventually grow out of it but that being such a common experience growing up and experiencing attraction for the first time in your life is probably why it’s such a common trope in tv shows and cartoons.
What I love about Finn and Marceline's friendship is that was really the start of Mary healing. It felt like she got back in touch with her human (emotional) side through being friends with Finn.
FinnxFP for me, until the writers decided to ruin a good thing by bullshiting an excuse plot to end it. I like HP in concept but it didn't cook long enough to overtake FinnxFP for me.
Ya know, back then I did ship her and Finn, and looking back. That Henchman title card at 4:15 REALLY DIDN'T HELP dispel that for me lol Still think she could have done way better than PB.
Yeah Marceline Deserve Better cuz PB have done many Bad things and never Care about Anyone. I know Marceline have Done Bad Things as well but at least She's Feel Bad about Them.
Thoughts on Mareline X Finn?
Link to Compilation video: ua-cam.com/video/SpjeNsABcg0/v-deo.html
Awesome friendship! Loved how they're just Friends
Fire vid!
Are you planning on making a video on Bill and Ford?
I liked that Marceline ended up with PB and not finn
Yea, I think its a great friendship, but yea I shipped it in the past before FP showed up for (culture reasons)
Finn and Marceline relationship early on really does hit differently when you consider Marceline relationship with humans and makes your wonder how she reacted to seeing a human after 1000 years
Oh shit, you're right. She's probably never been able to access Founder's Island either.
@@SoulQueenoD its a damn shame she couldn't find it, at least she would know her attempts to save humanity wasn't for nothing
EXCELLENT WORK. SARCASTIC CHORUS MARCELINE X FINN WHAT HAPPEN TO THIS RELATIONSHIP
@@mekiherring2088 They did come back eventually though, so she knows.
"Umm, why didn't you kill me?"
"Cuz that was fun, Oh, I haven't that much fun in years, thanks Finn"
I haven't watched that episode in years and I still remember those lines.
Their friendship is basically "of course I kiss my homies"
course*
"Do the homie! Do the homie!". Sorry, couldn't resist
@@aokhoinguyenang3992 Homie over hoes, Homies over hoes
@@aspebb the curse of the phone strikes again
Yes😂
The thing that always made Finn a weird option for shipping to me, is that his design in the original series never changed. At sixteen he still looked the same as he did on twelve.
That's until in his later years, Finn got buff up in _Fionna and Cake._
I guess it was to avoid having to spend money making new assets every couple seasons for his design
You say that as if he wasn’t still a child. He baby.
@@spoingelerboib When I was a kid relationships, being portrayed in the media always annoys me because I just didn’t get it. It’s only after realizing I’m asexual that I finally get the appeal of people being cute with each other instead of thinking it’s weird I’ll just change the Contacts to something that makes way more sense for me.
tru but his voice did change gradually as the VA got older, so it wasn't too jarring
As a guy who’s bestfriends are women it’s always nice to see a show acknowledge that it doesn’t always have to be a romantic relationship between the two.
I’m a woman and I had a best male friend in middle school and everyone INSISTED we were dating. We literally had to stage a public breakup to get it to stop
@@althealee9375 Man, sorry people have to be so narrow minded.
@@althealee9375 That's actually hilarious. If you don't me asking, how did y'all stage it and what were peoples reaction after the "public breakup" 😭
So true. ❤
@@althealee9375sounds like a sitcom plot
I genuinely like their friendship. It’s almost like a little brother big sister dynamic. Which is probably why Finn felt so scarred when he accidentally saw Marcy in the nude. My god that went over my head as a kid!😂
That was hilarious and Jack wondering what he saw
It's okay it went over his head too 😂
I don't think the romantic type of love is special and I think that the romantic type of love isn't real. More than half of romantic couples either break up with each other or divorce each other, while most platonic best friends remain friends until death.
I think that having a platonic best friend is a lot better than having a romantic partner or spouse is. Having someone who's like a sibling to you is a lot better than having a romantic partner or spouse. Also, you are more likely to be much more closer to someone who's like a brother or sister to you than you would be with a romantic partner or spouse.
People tend to fight with their partner or spouse a lot more than they do with a platonic best friend, and you never fight with your best friend the way you fight with your partner or spouse. Partners and spouses are just temporary. If you break up or divorce them, it's hard to go back to them. With your platonic best friend, you're going to make things work, because they are your best friend, they are your go to partner. It's always easier to make amends with them than it is with a romantic partner or spouse.
Romantic relationships are pointless, while platonic relationships are not.
I think the evolution on PB and Finn’s relationship was amazing also, going from a pining crush to a genuine friendship was so refreshing to see.
He actually made a video about that too
@@oshawottmain7608 oh yea I watched it before, I forgot he was the one who made it
I do not agree with the obstacle thing at the end about age. Age was not an obstacle that could be removed. The only thing to do was accept that the relationship would not work out.
@@phantom-ri2tg I haven't watched the video but it was implied that they were dating when PB was aged down so age was definitely an obstacle
@@damoji5332 PB being aged down was temporary. Her responsibilities were more important.
"Guy / Girl friendships are possible"
THANK YOU! I've been saying that for God knows how many times!
I'm Milo Murphys Law they didn't give Milo ahd Melissa the childhood friend romance treatment
And MK and Mei form LMK
*glares at Star vs.*
Kinda venting but I had a former friend that's very disconnected from reality and he genuinely thought that a man and a woman cant have a friendship bc it will always be something sexual/romantic involved. It was genuinely sad and stupid
Yes. Men and women can be friends, but romantic feelings can complicate a friendship. It's difficult to reject a friend's advances and have the relationship resume as normal. It typically creates some hurt feelings and some distance between friends.
Holy shit
I just realized Hudson sensed that Gunther was more than he seemed. He FORESHADOWED Orgalorg
It's always the side characters who might be the most dangerous
I think it started as a joke, but the writers were later like "oh snap, I have an idea"
@@chefcinnabutter "but what if that WASN'T a joke"
@sarafontanini7051 idk. Maybe they had an idea for it, but it's not uncommon for shows that run for as long as adventure time to pull one-off instances like that and make them plot points later.
@@chefcinnabutter Yeah, the idea that Gunther was secretly evil/super powerful was a huge running joke that eventually turned into the Orgalorg reveal.
The part where Marceline and Finn grosses out, let alone vomiting, over a romantic film with the couples kissing that they unleashed the pack of wolves for funsies is the epitome of "friends with benefits".
the benefit is wolves
@@ashleybyrd2015 I WAS GONNA SAY THAT 🤣🤣
@@ashleybyrd2015the best benefit
900th like
For me the mini-arc "Stakes" was the PEAK of Marceline as a character (obviously considering she was the protagonist) and while Finn had a more secondary role I still enjoyed their dynamic together since after that we had very little Marceline screen time on the story
Stakes was one of the best things the show ever did
"If you shipped Marceline and Finn, I know you just wanted Marceline."
*looks at my younger self that shipped Marshall Lee and Fionna*
Don't call me out like that.
It's ok blud
Marshall Lee and Fionna forever dammit!!!❤😭❤
Love is love, even in its platonic, unromantic sense. Once you have that connection between two people, the only thing that gets in the way is circumstance, history, what each person has gone through.
I will say that Marceline gave this boy way too many mixed signals which confused my brain for a while during my childhood lmao.
She was probably still figuring herself out too you know
Same
@@LoveEachDay94 yeah probably
What signals? Lol
Marceline was a mess herself so now I'm not surprised.
I don't know why but when Marceline told Finn "no tongue" I always laughed even when I was younger and didn't know what it meant
Me too. When I got to high school in senior year, the laughed a little.
I’ve always seen their relationship as a brother/sister dynamic. It’s super wholesome.
as someone whose best friend for the last third of their life is a girl I can relate to this. Like, people still ask her if I'm her boyfriend and like no, we are best friends is that so hard to get? also she's gay but they conveniently forget that fact
Last third? You good bro?
Ya whenever I think of the question of whether guy/girl friendships are possible I'm like "you know gay guys and lesbians being friends is a thing right?, also some times a guy will meet a girl whom he genuinely would rather be friends with rather than wanting to date her"
@@MrSlashblade like most recent third if that wasn't clear
@@lucasallen5792 Or hell, a guy can shoot his shot, and if he gets rejected still decide the woman is worth having as a friend. It happened to me, she told me I wasn't her type (trans and probably pretty gay herself), but we still could make each other laugh and have a great time so I accepted no and the next day were were back on our usual bullshit with minimal to no awkwardness or hurt feelings or resentment or anything.
No cause same and even though he has a girlfriend his family still calls me their daughter in law 😀
Marceline was one of my first crushes as a dumb kid and even then, I was still able to love and appreciate her character and dynamics with Finn, Jake and Simon.
I love their friendship, they care about each other but they’re the friend you talk about you partners about, it’s nice to see platonic love being shown between men and women without it becoming a romantic love
The trope of the younger kid crushing on a *much* older person is a very real thing most kids go through. Finn and other characters are super relatable in that sense. It obviously won’t work out, but in our little kid brains it might. When I was 7 I swore that I’d marry my 25 year old basketball coach🤷🏻
Have no fear the shipping guy is here
And he is talking about friendSHIPS.
No! Fear him! 100%! If it weren’t for him I wouldn’t be in a box in a truck going to someone else’s home!
Back then I remember alot of people shipped Fionna and Marshall Lee together it’s probably because of the self insert thing and those genderbend episodes were so ship-baity there was so much fanart after
PLEASE do a fiona x Marshall video i am begging, it never occurred to me how while i was obsessed with them i never once considered finn and Marceline.
"Bad little boy" (which is essentially Marceline's fanfic) makes me ask questions about Marcy's interest in Finn...
Ik that ep always had me confused on their relationship
No, it's FionaXMashal-lee
That was from a fionna and cake episode, right? Which in no way is related to Marceline. It was stories from prismos hidden universe told to us by ice king. So question answered she doesnt have ANY interest in fin beside a purely platonic friendship
Given that the universe is canon now tho thanks to Fiona and cake I agree with questioning it now @@ebbe8539
You mean the Fionna and Cake ep?? There's a whole show about that and has nothing to do with Marceline.
Honestly, If more "confuse friends" relations ended up like them the world could be a better place for sure.
“Of course I’ll go with you as friends, but no tongue”
-Marceline to Finn.
I was so obsessed with Finnceline as a kid. Half because I was (and still am) a major Marceline simp, and half because I just really liked imagining their journey as a couple (although as a full grown adult who needs to rewatch the entire series, I've forgotten most of what I imagined).
Go With Me was actually devastating, as it was probably the first time I'd ever seen an OTP get sunken so thoroughly, but it was easily one of the best episodes of the early seasons anyway.
These two will always have a special place in my heart, canon ships be damned LOL
Marceline was best Girl in Adventure Time.
And to almost thinking that the writers almost didn't write her in fear it would get boys to stop watching the show
@@juliaboskamp9666ive heard about that before
@@juliaboskamp9666 her and ice king are the reason i watch the show
@@mekiherring2088 ikr the first time they talked to eachother is the episode that made me cry.
@@juliaboskamp9666 oh you cried? I was just laughing my ass off at Marcy's pitful attempts to get Ice king to remember.
I think her kisses nowadays come more across as appreciation for someone being a genuine friend towards her. Which given her past makes a lot more sense than it did now. :3
Marcelines kisses are like Bugs Bunny's kisses: Platonic gifts from a chaotic god.
I always saw them as friends with benefits growing up
Least she didn't lie about her age
That's weird af to be seeing people as "friends with benefits" as a kid wtf
@GiantGunt_EthanRalph listen in my defense I was a victim of grooming I didn't know it was a concept and didn't know better
I know better now
@@Gooberwares Fair enough I kind of figured something like that was the case I shouldn't have been rude about it I'm sorry. I just saw this comment and was like wtf lol but I hope you are doing better and F the people who hurt you
@GiantGunt_EthanRalph nah it's ok I've matured
A slip up made in ignorance
Their friendship is awesome ! When sarcastic chorus drops a video is always a good time🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
The OG Fiona x Marshall was freakin' amazing for my youth and still now-chemistry was everything I loved ✨
FRRR even little kid me was like 'thats hot this is peak' lol
@@itzrainingmovies4683 You get it 🤝🤝🤝
This!
Well, that's too bad. It was confirmed in the Fionna and Cake series that their relationship was always meant to be platonic.
@@CipherRage0909 That's fine! It won't stop me from shipping it/the OG, but it is still nice to see great platonic relationships, too 😂
Confession: I did ship Marceline and Finn when I first started watching Adventure Time (I was in my teens). I think it because I liked their dynamic. While I don't really ship them anymore, I still like their dynamic.
Finn and Marceline. An interesting idea, but was glad to see it end the way it did. As a platonic/friend relationship, with both got each others backs.
As someone who’s best friend is a girl, I’d approve of the friendship Marceline and Finn have.
That being said, Huntress Wizard was probably Finn’s best shot at a relationship with sparks.
I think Marceline shipping herself with Fiona was because she was trolling the Ice King who was shipping himself with Fiona. Though that's a whole other thing to unpack.
But no tongue was always a crazy line
As someone who's never been into shipping or romance in cartoons in general, I've been binging your channel lately, and it's absolutely fascinating.
Thank you for talking about this! I feel like all these years later (in a post-Tumblr era) even other fans of the show don’t talk about the writing & fan-ship dynamics like this.
Plus, I feel like Finn x Marceline was swept sooo far under the rug after S5 (2014?) that nobody cared to discuss/unpack it, and all we were left with were some 240p AMVs and musty forum fanfics.
I’ve always loved their dynamic- & if there wasn’t any hinky business I wouldn’t even hate them as a ship. I like Fiona’s dynamic with Marshall and how they don’t seem to have proper boundaries at first but still are friends.
Thank you! Finally someone said it!
I'm so sick of both fans and creators acting like people of the opposite or same sex can't just be friends! I mostly blame shippers though. Creators kowtow to them way too much
Honestly I just *love* that shows are able to have a situation where a guy and a girl are friends who hang out and nothing happens between them, because every show - *every* show - has to do the “s/he’e not my girlfriend/boyfriend!” but then they fall in love (looking at you Danny Phantom, Ned’s Declassified). Believe it or not it actually made me think that this is how it worked, to the point that when I first got female friend I thought it meant that she was gonna end up as my girlfriend… (and same for the other girls I met later on!)
Star and Marco were like this at first, where they hung out and had *great* chemistry together but they were just friends, best friends, and even to me they felt more siblings than lovers, and I absolutely loved it! We all know how that ended…
Never shipped Finn with the vampire, I just remembered enjoying watching them hang out and it helped me realize guys and girls can just be friends as I was growing up and hormones started kicking in.
Shipped him with all of them at one point but yeah Huntress was my eventual favorite. Wish we got to see more of them.
With Flame princess is still my favourite. I won't force it but it would be nice to see a universe where it worked out since we're doing the whole multiverse thing now.
A real friend is one who walks in when the rest of the world walks out.
My glorious Vampire Queen and my glorious Huntress Wizard. The strongest ship in history, vs the strongest ship of today.
Exactly.
Ngl i used to ship marci and finn when i was little cuz i just didnt know anything deeper about it, i wish finn didnt fumble flame princess
Honestly? Be it romantic or friendship these two have always been my favorite relationship right next to Jake and Finns brother bond
I’ll admit that I would’ve been good with shipping them together. I know ageing would’ve been a bit of a problem, but ageing wasn’t a problem in the MCU. Also I do agree on the shipping Fionna and Marshal Lee.
It does help that fin is a teenager and marceline is , well really old .
Babe wake up!! Sarcastic Chorus just dropped another Video!! 👏🏾
Frack you for showing all my old cartoon crushes while saying 'cause goth' so casually
Huntress Wizard was peak. Flame princess would have been It if not for the whole "I like seeing you hurt people" thing
Didn't that "I like seeing you hurt people" thing never led up to anything?
@@lifeisadrag7705 It literally broke them up when she found out he was lying to her to get her to beat up Simone
@@meachygnr17 OHH I thought you were talking about Flame Princess' weird interest in hurting people, not with Finn's dream that broke them up- yeah okay then I agree
Tbh their relationship wasn't going to work out anyways. "Opposites attract" is hardly true in reality, especially when you have to go through all of these hurdles to even show affection to each-other.
That “my source is that I made it the fuck up” has me HOWLINGGG I love your editing 😂
13:36 No, I didn’t. Marceline just didn’t give off those vibes as a love interest however, it’s implied that Marshall Lee in that universe had a thing with Fiona but of course he’s probably going to end up with Prince, gumball or wise. It also seems like Fiona was much older than Phone anyways so I guess since appearance wise, they were closer in age, so that’s probably why they had some type of thing together in their human counterparts. It’s confirmed, but I’m not sure if they had a thing in their land of counterparts, however, is much different, and I never ship them, because Marceline is much different from Marshall Lee. She never really flirted with Finn and even earlier seasons, she kind of somewhat had a thing with Princess bubblegum.
Funny thing is when I was in high school I didn’t ship Marceline and Finn but I shipped Fiona and Marshall Lee SOO hard. Then I saw Marshall Lee and Gumball/Gary in Fiona and Cake and fell in love with it as much as I loved Bubbeline
Sibling in arms 😂
Finn and Marceline's friendship is beautiful. It was different at the start cuz they just saw a girl but now they see each other as chill chaotic mfs nailing the guy girl friendship
20:59 as a satogou shipper, I feel obligated to mention that Ash and Goh are the cutest friends ever and I'm OK with them being just friends.
SARCASTIC CHORUS! Drop a Fionna x Marshall Lee analysis video, and my life is yours!!!
No Monetization? For what! Great video, gonna check out the other channel
I can never get enough of your analysis on the characters and story around them characters it’s so accurate
first time i saw this when i was a kid i didnt mind for Mareline X Finn but when i saw the the first fionna and cake episode i fell in love with marshal lee x fiona cause you cant look me in the eye and tell me saying "good little girl" and "bad little boy" is not "we break the bed" energy
One thing i love about this show, that I dont see in a lot of other shows is the older Finn gets the more mature his relationship with others become. An example is PB as a 12 and 13 year old Finn crushes on her and does anything to get her attention, even though it was never gonna happen. By the end of the series with Finn being 17 it evolves to a more equal respect mutual friendship. PB kisses finn in the last episode and if it was early season finn he would flip out and faint, now it seems like just two friends who been through a lot and grown to respect each other.
I’m crying. Bro was really mad about the thunder cats.
As an aroace this is my favorite example of a platonic relationship I would want.
14:55 _”Off all history’s greatest monsters, you are by far the most evil thing I’ve encountered.”_
You should’ve cut to PB, instead of Gunther.
I love that A.T. taught lessons without villainizing people.
Even finn got more girls then Sheldon
Sheldon probably had more irl fangirls though during their respective airing
I hope you recover soon.
I found ship that is good and is breath of fresh air. It’s anime of Mob Psycho 100
Mob x tsubomi
I remember as a kid I thought Marcelline was too mean for Finn and I was the type of viewer to think "The main character wants it, it must be correct" so it didn't click that he'd move on from bubble gum, meaning I never saw the shipping aspect of Marcy x Finn. Looking back, it's understandable, she was the first woman that he saw naked on accident even, but yeah it was obvious that it wasn't gonna happen.
It’s weird cause fandoms go on about how we need more f/m friendships (which is true) but ship two actual platonic friends. Although Finn/Marceline for me (don’t know if it’s true) seem closer to Marceline simps protecting onto Finn or at least the cool bad girl fantasy
I've binged probably 20 of your videos in the last 2 or 3 days. I love your style, thanks for existing!
I remember princess bubblegun have clones of herself and also like many cousin from the Og mother gum.
if PB have Clones of herself then how Come Finn didn't end up with one of Them?
@@serena7up175probably didn't know about them
1:21 DON'T SAY HIS NAME - YOU'LL SUMMON HIM 😰
I wasn't around for Wizard, never saw Marcy and Finn as romantic, and didn't like Fire Princess, I was also completely obsessed with Bubblegum so bonnie and finn were probably my first self insert otp
I love how their relationship was always treated as the guy and girl best friend duo and only once went to the idea of romance and it was cause of a misunderstanding
Off your last video, I think Jenny and Brad embody this thing as well. The friendship between a girl and a boy.
The vampire queen and her male counterpart have been great characters and care for their younger peers. They have fun being brother snd sister.
Finn and Huntress wizard is the best ship imo.
They care about each other enough to stick together, but have a healthy distance to make space for their own adventures, not the most common dinamic but in their case i think it works really well.
I mean..... we do know of at least ONE person in the staff of the show who did ship Finn and Marcy. Coff coff Rebecca coff coff.
but in more serious talk... it's kinda wild to me how much of a Shipper Rebecca Sugar is..... Her Finnceline sketches are one thing...
But she also made the same kind of sketches with Greg and Pearl from her own show, and given that it's..... HER SHOW....... i just revel and cry at the same time thinking of the very possible scenario where Greg x Pearl could have been a thing xddd.
Oh but... talking of the Finnceline ship itself.... im kinda on the same boat, i was also one of those people who shipped them back in the day... and although i got over it and accepted them as friends...... i still enjoy on the though-exercise of imagining them as a couple. This is one of very few cases where the age gap doesn't really bother me.... mainly cuz now i just envision an older and more mature Finn being in that relationship, but also in part thanks to the crazy setting that is the Adventure Time universe and how casual everyone is about messing with butts xddd.
"before flame princesse Marceline was the top contender to date...THE CHILD"
That just opened my eyes
I have to give adventure time credit. When i was a kid I used to ship rhem because Marceline reminded me of Minda from zelda, Thorn from Scooby Doo with a hit of Raven's daddy issues while Finn reminded me of Link. But as the series went on I quickly got over it and strictly saw them as homies.
It's simple Marceline was dating Fin to piss off her dad. The moment dad liked Fin it was over.
I kinda...stopped watching Adventure Time after the whole, self sabotage with Flame Princess thing lol. So I didn't really see the episodes with Huntress cuz I stopped trying to keep up with it.
I never actually cared for or shipped him with Princess Bubblegum. I was more interested in trying to figure out her angle with him and once I thought I had it down lost what lil interest in the ship I had.
I really rooted for him and flame princess tho. I thought there should've been a few dozen different magical means for them to safely be together. And before that I did like the theoretical ship of Marceline and Finn as other than the stuff you said, there was also the novelty of getting to see a guy have a vampire love interest instead of the forever staple of a girl with a vampire love interest. I appreciated the switch up honestly. But the way Finn's relationships seemed to be falling apart no matter what and the slow depression he was sinking into was too anxiety inducing for me. I remember I only took a look at the genderbent episodes because my brothers told me it existed at some point and it seemed like a fun concept for the creators to do the genderswap officially instead of the fandom just doing it for lols. I was super into Female Finn as a concept. Fionna, being just as much of a super tough amazing adventurer as Finn and since she seemed a bit older that meant she'd be even more experienced and skilled and I was super onboard to explore that concept. But then they gave an episode focus to Marshall Lee interacting with her and...it was unfair. Completely unfair. 🤌🤌🤌
They gave me a canonically uncanon canon ship in a possible alternate world that I could actually stay on only to give no more content on it.
But I'll never let it go. 😭😭😭😭
Considering the topic, kinda surprised you didn't talk about brad and jenny. It's been a while since I watched the show, but I think their relationship was completely playonic as well.
My friends and I literally just talked about this ship last night and had the same talking points that’s crazy. Including the “we don’t ship Marceline with Finn but we 100% ship Marshal Lee with Fionna”
If you have to restrain yourself from shooting the shots, it's not platonic in my opinion. If you feel no desire to shoot the shot, then you've got something.
Remember that Finn was 12-17 and Marceline had the appearance of an 18 year old at the time of the main series.
It's really impressive how many female friends Finn has (Marcy, Susan, LSP, and eventually Bonnie and FP). That's very rare in entertainment.
I've always shipped Marceline with Finn insated of Princess Bubble Gumm
The internet happened. Basically, Natasha Allegri drew a bunch of non-canon art of Marceline and PB together that made it appear as though they were an item. I believe she had posted it to her tumblr (Yeah, great place, right?) and people saw this and just went wild. If memory serves, there weren't any real plans for Marceline to have a romantic interest. Penn Ward mused about the idea of her being a potential love interest for Finn, but ultimately decided against it.
my favorite has to be huntress wizard. mostly because finn's atitude with her around is the closest to him with jake. with pb, he acts like a dumb kid that's ordered around, while with fp he acts very mundane and mushy. it's probably because he matured a TON before meeting huntress wizard( It's *right* after hall of egress)
Marceline, Flame Princess and Huntress Wizard were some of the best characters of the show. Outside of PB, Finn had great taste lol. While I wish Flame Princess was the endgame, Huntress Wizard was a great (potential based on Fionna and Cake) endgame. Also of course farm Finn even got with a version of Huntress Wizard. Loved that he had Marceline as a friend still, but PB was still a bad friend for more than half the show lol, she didn't help half the time
Spectacular Spider-man clips? Like that is a shipping drama bonfire (on purpose) to cover
Finn and Marceline are one of the few fictional instances that give me hope on the fact that boys and girls Can be just friends in spite of any other circumstances, if that made sense. If I’m personally being honest, I did kind of hate Marceline during her first appearance for what she did, but I just ended up loving her character as a whole with the more lore that kept coming up about her. Loved her history with Ice King, and her getting (back) together with PB was the cherry on top, as the majority, popular opinion would be repeated.
P.S., SC, I loved the callback to your ThunderCats video about the love triangle.😀
Kids crushing on older people in their lives is something most kids go through I think, you eventually grow out of it but that being such a common experience growing up and experiencing attraction for the first time in your life is probably why it’s such a common trope in tv shows and cartoons.
What I love about Finn and Marceline's friendship is that was really the start of Mary healing. It felt like she got back in touch with her human (emotional) side through being friends with Finn.
Yep, I shipped them too. I was young and didn't know better
FinnxFP for me, until the writers decided to ruin a good thing by bullshiting an excuse plot to end it. I like HP in concept but it didn't cook long enough to overtake FinnxFP for me.
Ya know, back then I did ship her and Finn, and looking back. That Henchman title card at 4:15 REALLY DIDN'T HELP dispel that for me lol
Still think she could have done way better than PB.
Yeah Marceline Deserve Better cuz PB have done many Bad things and never Care about Anyone.
I know Marceline have Done Bad Things as well but at least She's Feel Bad about Them.