Short online read from 2013 Artemis and the End of Us: Evangelical Errors Regarding Women. Fox River Christian Church also did an excellent two part series on women in ministry called shout out found on UA-cam. Both filled with biblical and historical references presented in a fun and digestible way.
My thoughts changed only after Holy Spirit Convicted me when I was judging a woman preacher for her being a woman in ministry. Than Lord told me, “ you are a woman too… “I was convicted immidiately because I walk in prophetic over 20 years with most spiritual gifts mentioned in Corinthians. I still had that old religious nature in me that judged others, but was holding me blind to see myself. I love this topic ❤Thank you for your video!
As a previous woman pastor, I have had a lot of people share their criticism with me including even women who completely disagree with women teaching in church. An elder of a church once told me the reason they don't have women in ministry was because Eve was the first to sin so women are innately "wicked". Some people have some seriously bizarre views on this topic and it has been such a toxic issue in the church which is crazy to me!!! Thank you for speaking out about this Lisa!!! I hope many women are encouraged and enlightened by this episode
I agree with you of the importance of the voice of women without undermining the men but giving the loving point of view of a mother that wants the best for her children. Spititually we are the same there is no gender. And Jesus came to give us that through his sacrifice for all who have Him as our saviour! Thanks Lisa for speaking up and help us women to in a loving way help others:
Why does nobody anywhere mention Acts 2:17 "’In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.18 Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy. Edit: Nice! She mentioned it. I posted this before she even got to that part of the video.
I'm going to look into Acts again. I think the version is important in some of these cases. But also what constitutes the last days? Usually as I know that term Biblically it means after the rapture or right before it....and we cannot know when that is. Jesus says so. Prophesing is different from what they are talking about here. I don't feel convicted yet one way or the other but I appreciate your comment so I can remember to look into this! ❤
@@AkikoAmons the act of prophesying is the ability to speak with divine inspiration. Even the King James has it written in plain english. Now I am not saying women should be a full leader of the church, but the Bible is loaded with things to come and if women are going to spread that and it's biblically accurate, then it is written. This verse is written as "God says."
@@KingdmOfYahweh82 that’s what I’m talking about God created order for a reason God , husband , wife and kids for a reason. I’m not saying women aren’t important but biblically women shouldn’t be the head of a church Gods word is clearly against against praying , prophesying and preaching aren’t the same thing I can prophesy to someone without being in the pulpit preaching a sermon.
Prophesying is COMPLETELY different from Teaching! You for tell an event that is to come AND THAT IS IT!!! In the book of Titus says what exactly women are to do in the church! BUT NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE DID GOD SAY! I will send my daughters to teach or be deacons or Elders!!!
Your story about allowing your husband to grow and letting go of the stress of controlling family life meant a lot to me. I love your honesty and faith! Thank you!
Anything that promotes bondage is not Christ lead . Many of the scriptures regarding women have been taking out of context . I am grateful for my theology training because my understanding is much more clear .
Christianity IS bondage. It is freedom IN slavery - not freedom FROM slavery. Christ is the perfect sacrifice - which means that from the day he is born to the day he died he submitted to his Father in all things. He did not assert his rights (Phil 2:6). Being saved is becoming united with that same Jesus in his death - rising to a new life in which we have no rights (we are dead - a dead person has no rights) - in which God gives us the ability to please him in all things. Luke 14:26 reveals that if a person who professes a faith has even a single idol they aren't a disciple of Jesus - they aren't saved. “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple". (The good news is that instead of us having to produce repentance - we must instead turn to God in faith (faith that God has earned the right to our total worship in his perfect self-giving character). If God judges our faith to be authentic - a true turning away from faith in ourselves - he gives us the GIFT of repentance (see Acts 11:18, 2 Tim 2:25)). So then the way to know if we are truly saved is not that we profess a faith - but that our lives are completely free of idols. If we understand we will speak as if we do not have any rights before God - including 'the right to self expression').
I preach and teach the Word of God biweekly as a young adult woman to middle school youth in my church, and I am grateful that God has given me a platform to share my voice 💕
Neither men nor women have "their voice" after being united with Christ in his death and resurrection. Galatians 2:20 ESV I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
I’m a woman preacher. I have heard this more times than I can count. I didn’t ask to be a preacher and fought it until I couldn’t anymore. Opposition has come, but over 30 years into the call and I couldn’t imagine not serving God in the gifting he gave me. Thank you Lisa.
I still didn't see any Biblical verses in the video stating that as acceptable or not, do you perhaps know of any that do? I seek more clarity about it. ❤ I love women's groups and I do have Bible study that way a lot, just not only that way. I do believe in the importance of always seeking out what a man I trust thinks about it. Namely my husband. And if course I pray and seek Jesus' above all. Until I know more I'd definitely be uncomfortable with a service that has a woman as a minister or preacher. But I'm open to the idea. I know most churches still partake in Christmas and Easter and those are vehemently non-Biblical. Actually anti-Christian in many ways. So it baffles me, needless to say I have many reasons I don't just trust church sermons anymore. 😅 I have two online churches I like to "attend" and am always a part of THE Church and love opportunities to evangelize (though I don't call myself an evangelical)...I don't know if evangelizing and apologetics is the same as preaching. I don't see it as such. So there's just a difference. I would like more conviction about it.
@@ari3lz3pp you wrote: Until I know more I'd definitely be uncomfortable with a service that has a woman as a minister or preacher. But I'm open to the idea. I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation Read time: 12 minutes postable here
@@JamesHazelhurst-xd5pw I suggest you study the Passover, and find the places in the New Testament where the word Passover is used. (You may get few or differing opinions on this matter.) Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel and said to them, “Go and take for yourselves lambs according to your families, and slaughter the Passover lamb. And you shall take a bunch of hyssop and dip it in the blood which is in the basin, and apply some of the blood that is in the basin to the lintel and the two doorposts; and none of you shall go outside the door of his house until morning. For the Lord will pass through to strike the Egyptians; but when He sees the blood on the lintel and on the two doorposts, the Lord will pass over the door and will not allow the destroyer to come in to your houses to strike you. -excerpt Exodus 12
Phoebe was a deconess in Rome. Junia and her husband were apostles.Priscilla was his coworker... This is Romans 16. In Corinthians, Paul was addressing the women in that church slecifically. This was exegisis based on culture relativity and heurmanuetics...this was written specifically to church at Corinth...and to Timothy he reiterated that women dont need to teach men or speak in church at that church. They were told they should have their head covered. It was said in Jude1? It was because of the fallen angels and nephilim. If men are offended it means you need a culture that will accept you and your gifts and calling. Not every church culture can handle women in leadership or ministry with men.
It's very important to not take the 1 Timothy passage out of context. It is rarely taught on correctly, so I understand why people act like it is so black and white. But, to say "the bible says" or "the truth is" feels naive at best. The Bible also shows Paul partnering with multiple women church leaders, Chloe, Priscilla, Phoebe, to name a few. A third of Romans 16 are women listed and I have never heard it preached that way. Pastors don't even know, it has been so buried in poor English translations for so long. Jesus privately spoke with women and then counted on them to spread the word, examples include the virgin birth, the woman at the well announcing that He was the Messiah and the women at the tomb. If we were to remain silent, those major pillars in the Christian faith could have been lost. Paul and Jesus appear to not "practice what they preach". When the Bible appears to contradict itself then we have to dig deeper. What was the original Greek? What was the historical context? Timothy seems to be asking Paul for help with a list of problems in his churches. Paul specially addresses one man and one woman in this passage, a couple in Timothy's church, not a plural group. The Greek word used here for "authority" is a brutally oppressive, domineering word. Most people would not say that women ever get to treat men like this. It's a straw man's argument to say that this means a woman cannot speak with authority over any man in church. Any time any Christian speaks God's truth, they speak with God's authority, not their own anyway. These churches were filled with uneducated women who were trained in the pagan religion of worshipping Artemis, a Greek goddess who said that Eve was created first and therefore can dominate and even hunt men. Paul is setting the creation story straight. Adam was created first. However, that is a huge leap to say that is proof of why women cannot speak. Elephants were created before man, but that doesn't mean they have authority over them. Men and women were given the Great Commission, all are called priests, all are given the spiritual gifts, all are told by Paul to prophesy and pray in the church setting for the benefit of the entire Body. The church is described as the family of God, if only the fathers are allowed to ever address the family, isn't this akin to something like a gay marriage, which even unbelievers will argue isn't the best setting for raising children in? Mothers will always bring in another perspective in a family that reflects the feminine aspects of the image of God and strengthens everyone listening. At the very least, one could say this topic of women speaking in church is controversial. And if you have to choose a side, choose the side that has the potential to save the most souls, to cultivate the most fruit and disperse the workload of the harvest.
There is absolutely nothing within 1 Timothy itself which would lead anyone to conclude that Paul's directives there are in response to a specific issue with the Ephesian church. On the contrary - the reasons Paul gives for why women should not teach men are both universal (verses 13 and 14) - both out of Genesis - not out of the Ephesian Times! While your argument is that those verses - which are two reasons - namely that Adam was created before Eve - and Eve wasthe first to be deceived - are relevant to who should or shouldn't domineer who - yes? Who would have thought that Adam being created before Eve relates to women in Ephesus being domineering! You make it sound as if the only place in the bible which provides insight into the role of men and women is 1 Timothy 2. Not so. What about Genesis 2? What about Ephesians 5? What about 1 Timothy 3? What about Titus 1? What about 1 Peter 3? That's quite an effort - you failed to mention ANY of those passages but you did mention Romans 16 - proving that if someone wants to believe something they will no doubt do so. Do you believe that ANY person whose bible is in their language is able to read the bible and reach right conclusions about the heart of God? Of course you don't - you just quoted from some book by someone with a PhD who makes it their life work to tell us why what the bible plaining says it doesn't mean INSTEAD of receiving the combined teaching of scripture on man and woman.
Please don't build your theology from a single fact from scripture - or if that isn't the case - please don't comment in a way that gives that impression. To have a theology of sexuality you will have to develop a united understanding from all of scripture - but certainly from Genesis 2, 1 Corinthians 11, Ephesians 5, 1 Timothy 2, 1 Timothy 3, 1 Peter 3, and Titus 1. I wish you well in that task.
Since you believe that people aren't paying enough attention to the video what ideas from the video that were biblically substantiated stood out for you?
@@philipbenjamin4720 It is sad that these comments perpetuate separation instead of unity which is exactly what the Apostle Paul taught. If we have not TRUE love for each other in the body of Christ what do we really have.
No - God is the answer to every problem. Neither men nor women are God's answer to any problem. Instead men and women have the privilege of sharing in God's purposes in the way that he specifies in scripture.
@@philipbenjamin4720 God is always the answer- of course! But I love how God uses humans as an answer to our calls for help. Moses was an answer to the Hebrews’ cries for deliverance. Jesus was an answer for our sin problem. The Lord often answers our needs with PEOPLE, and that includes women :)
@@TheSacredShade Thank you for your reply. I believe that understanding the truth about men and women would not be a problem if first we all understood that both men and women have absolutely no standing in the face of God's unalterable justice - and our being sinners - if not for the righteousness of Christ - which we can only receive in exchange for our death. If we are dead we have zero rights - we have no voice - no right to self-expression. The problem isn't that women are not allowed to preach - the problem is that some men preach as if ignorant of what I just explained.
I am trying to find that scripture, but it makes sense that they would be silenced from interrupting. There are so many cases of the Bible being misunderstood on a large scale.
Just slightly over 50 years ago, I (male) responded to the tugging of the Holy Spirit as a woman pastor preached the gospel message. My life changed forever. I am so glad that the Holy Spirit was not against women peaching the gospel because if He wasn't working, I would not likely have responded. One of the most succinct and timeless teachings in the bible is by a woman and is recorded in John 2:5. This is obviously with God's authorisation, or otherwise He would have told John to remove it from his gospel. Interestingly, Numbers 22:30 records where God used an ass to try and speak correction to a prophet. God is sovereign and can use whoever or whatever he wants: to speak through, including rocks (Luke 19:40).
It seems I have always known women should have a voice in the church. There is a stereotype that wants to quieten the voice of his daughters. Listening to what you experienced strengthens me that our voice is powerful. Our voice is important in the church, as well as the home and also the workplace. Ms. Lisa you embody women to rise above and Speak into this generation, so other generations will also be bold to speak change.
Your voice and my voice die the day that we choose to be united with Christ in his death. Believers no longer live - they have no rights - their bodies are temples in which the Holy Spirit lives. The Holy Spirit is God - the idea that any person or group can stop the Spirit from speaking in us and through us is nonsense. God is not limited by anyone. (The opposite view is a kind of Christian nationalism - "unless Christians occupy particular positions their voice will be suppressed"). The problem isn't that women aren't supposed to preach - the problem is that when some men preach they preach as those who imagine they still have a voice.
In a church, a woman is restricted from teaching or having spiritual authority over men The Bibles says 1 Timothy 2:11-12 NIV 11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet
A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge's verdict could not be altered or appealed. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting. A Judge was REQUIRED in scripture to judge only the hardest of cases. Refusal to accept a Judge's verdict on any matter, resulted in execution, according to Deuteronomy. If your beliefs can't explain all this, they must be false.
@@iknowwhatyoudidlastsummer4k The Judge was the primary pastor/shepherd of God's people during that time period. I suggest my free postable essay on Deborah. All teaching about 'women in ministry' has to line up with her.
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So many people commenting that are equating prophecy, praying, sharing the gospel as women preaching and authority over men in the church. They are not the same, that is equivocation. The Bible is clear, women can teach women, how can they say that women can’t teach girls and women, that is literally what the Bible tells you to do.
This question is tough. Is the pastor's wife also a pastor? How do you classify Joyce Meyer? My pastor used to say that you can only preach after you performed 20 funerals and visit 1,000 people in the hospital. Everyone wants to do the popular job, talking. No one wants to visit someone in the hospital or visit a poor Neiborhood's. Should women visit people in the hospital and minister in poor Neiborhood's? My pastor's wife is a big star. She likes to speak in conferences and charge good money. In the church she doesn't even say "hi".
Judges 4:4-5 “Deborah, a prophetess and the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time. She used to sit [to hear and decide disputes] under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim; and the Israelites came up to her for judgment… The villagers ceased to be; they ceased in Israel Until I, Deborah, arose, Until I arose, a mother in Israel.” Judges 5:7
@@8784-l3b You seem to be really focused on Deborah, despite the fact that she was a Judge during one of the lowest points for the Israelites. I personally think she is an exception rather than the rule. Also, I’ll add that the examples of women in “leadership” are all OUTSIDE the scope of a church environment. When Paul said women were to be silent in the church, and they’re not to be in authority over men, he was setting up rules for the CHURCH.
@@ALTheFreeMan Deborah is what God did, so to speak. Any doctrine that opposes what God did, is, and has to be, a false doctrine. Paul's teachings are all over the place. His belief that he was a 'father' was his most serious false teaching. It calls into question all his teachings about eldership/pastorship. I wrote a long post on this subject. And yes, Paul was very sure he was a 'father' and that there were others. For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers... -excerpt 1 Corinthians 4 KJV -words of Paul And do not call anyone on earth your father; for only One is your Father, He who is in heaven. -excerpt Matthew 23 -words of Jesus
@@8784-l3b I agree that Paul’s writings are all over the place, especially in regards to the Law. However, I’ve always found it interesting that so many Christians love reciting Paul’s words that say we’re “released from the Law”, but they totally ignore his instructions regarding speaking in tongues, and women being silent in church, and women aren’t to be in authority over men. Do we believe the Bible or not???
Wow. I'm actually quite shocked listening to Lisa's experiences - the people walking out of the church for starters. Men telling women what to do and calling them a witch for non-compliance - it’s a tale as old as time. We can't be burned at the stake anymore! The world needs all voices to share God's word, and there is room in God’s house for everyone. It’s especially important for women and girls to hear from strong, authentic, and powerful women of God. #HearWomenRoar
Also the fact that Adam also failed not only Eve. I'm pretty sure God gets just as angry with him if not more so, as he was the head of them and to be not "Lording" over her but to be someone to direct her when he sees her doing something wrong. My husband even surprised me but being very adamant about this. (No pun intended..."adamant?" 😅) That he feels Adam is actually more guilty than Eve in this sense. More accountable. I think they are equally accountable or Adam slightly more so given that role. We are created with different sets of hormones. When we have healthy hemostasis it's obvious. We are all called to be kind but in different ways. Women are better at being gentle and patient it seems. To rear children primarily, and to be so with our husbands as well as they can get stuck in protection mode etc. There's a healthy give and take when we follow God's plan. But for sure is always surprising when people knee-jerk to mistreatment in the name of Christianity, it doesn't make sense. I'm glad she's here to tell us about it! ❤ She's not a victim she's strong as a daughter of YHWH.
One really important thing we need to consider is the way Paul talks about the spiritual relationship between a woman and her husband, and how that connects to the church. Paul describes the church as the bride, and Christ as the husband. So just like the bride is supposed to seek the wisdom and leadership of her groom, the woman in the church should be looking at her physical "husband" , the way her physical husband is looking at his spiritual husband - Christ - looking for guidance, rather than trying to be the one in charge. Another key point is that being a preacher or leader in the church is just one part of what it means to be an elder. Elders are also called to serve the church in all kinds of ways, and they even have to be willing to die for the church and for Christ's name. Which happened and is happening today in places where the church is being persecuted. But a married woman's primary calling is often to have a family and raise children. And she's supposed to be willing to sacrifice for and "die" for her family, just like the elders do for the church. So if you let a woman have the same kind of authority as an elder, she gets all the privileges of that role, but doesn't have to shoulder the same heavy burdens. As Jesus coined succinctly in Luke 12:48 " But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more. What is given ? clearly it includes authority. If you are given much authority , much will be required of you . Yes a woman can instruct her children, help guide other women, serve the church in so many ways . Even evangelise on a day to day basis. There are so many things a woman can do as a part of the body of christ that are as important as preaching with authority. Paul is talking about each having their own gifts in christ. And they should use them. Some prophecy, some are healers, some are really good at prayer and so on . The point is to be meek and humble and do your part the best way you can and with all love as a part of the body of christ. And speaking of meekness . One of the things Paul was concerned about in a woman preaching, was that this pursuit would, pull her away from meekness towards self importance , or at least would present this strong temptation. The aspiration for us as christians is to not cause our brothers and sisters to stumble in temptation, which they will eventually not be able to overcome, and cause them, to develop a false jesus in their heart and mind.
In my opinion, you have given a very good summary. I don't know why people often fall to the extreme ends with regards to certain topics and often due to own assumptions. I have thought about this topic and will continue to do so, but always base my beliefs on the Bible. Eventhough you did not mention bible verses, I can relate your comments to scripture
Can't wait to hear this. I believe that those who speak against and try to silent women are twisting scriptures out of proper context.. After Jesus was resurrected he sent womem to go tell the disciples he had resurrected. Payl had many women beside him helping him share the gospel.. Some women wven heald church gatheringsvin their homes etc... There are women prophetess etc..
@@NthabiKido-yz3wt And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus. This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John. And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.
The only thing we know from your statement is that there is a person called Shakeeta somewhere who believes women can preach. You didn't offer any reasoning for why everyone should believe either that women should preach - or that women shouldn't preach.
I love the mention of who is head of the church? THIS one hits home for a ton of issues in the churches, since Catholicism at least. Jesus is the head of the church. THE church. My husband is the head of our household. The thing is he is called to love me like Jesus loves the church.... that's an incredible standard to aim for. ❤ It also means he has kore accountability. Throughout the Bible there are outright lessons about being held accountable with the more power, authority, and knowledge one has. Women having less authority in these places is a protection IMO. We can still be harmed here, we trust in the protection of our spirit and the eternal. But there are also thoae spiritual battles and the physical world we have to grow in at this time, that is affected by Satan and his minions. I trust in Jesus. But he has lessons for what is healthy and what is not...for what is worth fighting for and worth risking for and what is not. We are even told not to be foolish in situations that are unnecessary and not what we as individuals are called to do. Sometimes it's harder to take a step back and accept a role that might be less public or less outspoken. I believe if we lsten to the holy spirit and study the Bible it will become clear. 📜🙌🕊️ I appreciate Lisa Bev so much, though I've only just come across her in a few videos. I don't see her as a preacher etc, but I also wish I would understand better the specifics of what the Bible says. I'll have to look into Acts. I do like the video about authority as women, with Jesus. That made sense to me. But there are different forms of authority. As it sits now, a Bible study led by a woman is different to me than a woman minister. I would avoid a service that had such until knowing more from the Word. ❤ But I also won't attend a church with Christmas and Easter celebrations, as that is not Biblical. No one is perfect and no service would be I'm sure. But I am not comfortable entertaining things the Bible is specifically against. As far as I knew it's against women ministers but need to dig. I oove the info about the pulpit history. Interested in more.
Thank you for sharing your view with such humility - gracefully according to your convictions yet non-judgmental. This was such a beautiful example to me, truly refreshing🤍
you wrote: I don't see her as a preacher etc, but I also wish I would understand better the specifics of what the Bible says. I'll have to look into Acts. I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation
Is it possible to understand the bible without buying 'manuals' to go with it? How often? All of the time? None of the time? Some of the time? Is it dangerous for a twelve year old to open their bible and read 1 Timothy 2 without someone being there to tell them that what anyone would consider to be the plain meaning of it is the very opposite of what the chapter means? Egalitarianism is elitism. Do you agree that if we need the help of pointy headed people with PhD's to understand man and woman that proves that God is unfair in creating people with varying intellectual capacity? Is receiving God's heart for man and woman a head exercise?
One of the greatest deceptions in the church- KEEP WOMEN SILENT! These men have an issue that they need to deal with! Women are powerfully used by God!! AMEN
❤ Yes to only teach Other Women and Children, according to the Inspired Word of the Lord 🩸✝️ Jesus Christ ‼️ it’s Not about Anyone’s “opinions or feelings”❤
at 37 minutes in.... It is hard when we haven't seen the roles as they are supposed to be. It seems we are always looking to others on how we are supposed to be doing things. There is a need for Titus2 women teaching the younger women. Problem is I'm 61 and still haven't gotten all the answers. I know what doesn't work, but not what does work. I think we need more examples or pictures to learn from. It is frustrating when we are divided in the church on these things as it adds to the confusion. I would love more teaching/discussion on this topic.
Women should definitely be able to Preach in the House of God. And we should definitely be able to be a Pastor. And we should definitely have a voice in the church for sure 100% !! and submission should absolutely/definitely be mutual always not one sided!!! And Women Pastors/Preachers are not witches at all Jesus is a massive advocate of women this is absolutely 100% true Solid facts everyone!!! And I’m super thankful to God always that I’m absolutely 100% extremely extremely Single :)@Lisa Bevere
@@antoinettemoore976 can you please explain Priscilla teaching Apollos? Or Deborah as a judge and giving a commandment of God to a man? Or Phoebe being described by Paul as “diakanos” the same word he uses to describe his own station and Apollos in 1 Cor 3:5 by which people came to believe on Christ? If 1 Tim 2 is as black and white as you make it out to be, then it is in contradiction with the rest of the Bible.
The bible reminds us to be in the spirit of love, Which is godly love it is not a self love. It is a love that is taught to encourage and elevate others as we want to be encouraged and elevated. The culture is different now than it was back in biblical times. Jesus had a number of women in his ministry. That's why whenever we read scripture, we need to not only read it by the written letter but we also need to read it.Asking the Holy Spirit to illuminate things to us. So that we may understand the contest correctly. It's funny how people will listen to their own mother.But they won't listen to a lady many times that is presiding over a meeting when many times she may be more qualified. But at the same time that doesn't mean that we demasculate men. So there needs to be a healthy balance where we help each other. We lift up each other and like the Bible says we bear one another's burdens.
A family just left a small church I speak in monthly because the husband believes women must not speak in church. He was not open to any conversation with the elders of the church.
@@8784-l3bWOW. Paul had false teachings….?!?!? So I suppose you do not believe in the inerrency of The Cannon of Scripture…. You know, since Paul was the author of many books allowed within the Cannon of Scripture…. 🤷🏻♀️🤦♀️
@@cmwd9734 I've been a Christian a long time. I used to just accept everything by Paul, but those days are long gone. Paul repeatedly referred to himself as a 'father' even referring to Christian men as 'son'. This is his most serious false teaching. He stated there were other 'fathers' as well, yet never gives the qualifications to be a 'father' in any letter. Anyway, I wrote an essay on some of Paul's teachings. He didn't come out well. ____________________________________________ Top suggestions if any reader should wish a study: Part 10 The most serious false teaching of Paul. Part 6 Another serious false teaching of Paul (This entire informal essay is too long to be pasted up all at once.) TABLE OF CONTENTS OF: PAUL HIS FALSE, CONTRADICTORY, AND CONFUSING TEACHINGS INTRODUCTION Part 1 PAUL'S CONVERSION STORY Part 2 PAUL INSTRUCTS/ORDERS TIMOTHY TO BE CIRCUMCISED Part 3 PAUL CONTRADICTS HIS OWN TEACHING ON TONGUES AND PROPHECY Part 4 PAUL STATES IT IS ACCEPTABLE TO EAT FOOD SACRIFICED TO IDOLS AS LONG AS NO ONE SEES YOU DOING SO Part 5 PAUL SEEMS TO ALTER HIS BELIEFS AND WHATEVER ELSE IS NECESSARY FOR THE "SAKE OF THE GOSPEL". Part 6 PAUL TEACHES THAT A HUSBAND RULES OVER HIS WIFE Part 7 PAUL'S SUPPORT FOR MARRIAGE IS WEAK Part 8 PAUL WRITES OF HEARING DIVISIONS WITHIN THE CHURCH AND HOW THIS WAS NOT PROPER AND SHOULD STOP YET STATES THAT CHRISTAINS SHOULD FOLLOW PAUL Part 9 PAUL WAS OK WITH THE UNSAVED PREACHING THE GOSPEL Part 10 PAUL REFERS TO HIMSELF AS A SPIRITUAL FATHER THE MOST SERIOUS FALSE TEACHING OF PAUL Part 11 PAUL STATES THAT WOMEN SHOULD BE SILENT Part 12 PAUL IS OPPOSED TO WOMEN BEING ELDERS. THEREFORE HE IS OPPOSED TO WOMEN BEING SHEPHERDS/PASTORS. PART 13 PAUL'S FALSE BELIEF THAT THE RETURN OF JESUS WOULD TAKE PLACE WITHIN A HUMAN LIFETIME RESULTS IN HIM TEACHING AGAINST MARITAL SEX AND NORMAL EMOTIONS PART 14 PAUL STATES THAT HE IS A PERFECT CHRISTIAN CONCLUSION AND FINAL THOUGHTS
Order in the house of the Lord is just like the order in the house of a man. You need a male figure as a headship, a woman as ideal helpers. Ideal helpers are also leaders, at home and at a church. All over the Bi le, women are phrophets, teaches, evangelizes, but no where in the Bible, the women is the head. A church requires the top pastor to be thst male figure who will give his life for the bride like Christ give his life for His life. Lets be leaders as we are meant to be, different to men. Lets not confuse that with head pastorship.
@@8784-l3b Deborah was not a pastor. She was a prophet and when the leader of the nation was called for battle he refused, hence she took his place. I do think in the absence of male headship, God allows us to cover until the male is restored. We are design to be great with our femenine leadership, like Esther's and Abigail's. Men are designed for their masculine leadership. Praises to God for men! We should fight more to help them fullfill and embrace their leadership role correctly, instead of trying to usurp it.
@@323azteca I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation (In case the reader in unaware, the word pastor and the word shepherd are the same word. I prefer shepherd, because it has obvious meaning to the average person.) Major modern English translations like the NASB use the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people... In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation Some believe that pastor (or shepherd), is a position that was created in the New Covenant. This is not true. In the Old Testament shepherds are mentioned multiple times. Often in a negative way. “My people have become lost sheep; Their shepherds have led them astray. -excerpt Jeremiah 50 For an entire chapter on worthless shepherds, the reader may check out Ezekiel 34. When the shepherd over Israel died, the people went back into sin. That is because the Judge was the most important spiritual leader of this time period. But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways. -excerpt Judges 2 Deborah, full essay read time: 12 minutes, free, postable
Excited to hear your thoughts on this subject. Also, we hear our Heavenly Father all the time through His word via Deborah, Esther, Ruth, Hannah, and so many others. There’s even that instance where a donkey was used and spoke so why not through women?
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation Read time: 12 minutes postable here
@@8784-l3b So you develop your theology of man and woman using a single person from the bible - and you expect us to take you seriously? If you want to have a theology of sexuality you will need to develop a united understanding about man and woman from all of scripture - and certainly with an explanation of ALL of the following passages: Genesis 2, 1 Corinthians 11, Ephesians 5, 1 Timothy 2, 1 Peter 3, 1 Timothy 3, Titus 1.
Thank you Lisa. As a woman who is a bit awkward and was laughed at as a child by a large group of girls, your words really resonate with me. God bless you, your family and your ministry abundantly. I am also terrified of public speaking.❤
Woman absolutely can preach and teach...TO WOMEN and CHILDREN. It's biblical..yay! But NOT as pastors on the alter... I don't care how great you pride yourself on your own voice ... God said NO....why are we bringing the feminist movement into the church?? Why can't we just obey God's word???? Pride and ego...that's why. I don't need you sticking up and being a voice in the Almighty pulpit for me. No thank you. I believe and obey and do God's word. I'm sorry for what happened to you when you spoke the first time...not real men of God to do that to you. Praise God for the woman and children you preach and teach to...but alllll glory goes to Jesus. Right? Come on...just read HIS word.
What do you believe is THE HEART behind the 1 Timothy 2 directive? Imagine you had a friend who said he liked U2. So you send him some of U2's music (this is all very dated!). Then imagine you find out that the reason your friend likes U2 is not because he likes their music - but because when U2's music is on his dog stops barking. That's pretty important information, yes? Next time you might send your friend dog biscuits. It's the same with EVERY BIT of the bible. Unless we determine God's heart behind it we haven't got a hope of obeying it rightly. So then - what is God's heart behind 1 Timothy 2:11-14? Hint - unless we come TO THE VERSE with some conclusions about what a man is THEOLOGICALLY - and what a woman is THEOLOGICALLY - we are left with trying to understand why people with penises should preach in church - and people with vaginas should not. Pretty silly, yes? So - if you attempt to answer my question (whether or not you reply) I suggest you focus on whether there is anywhere in the bible which reveals WHAT man IS in the heart of God - and what woman IS in the heart of God. How does manhood and womanhood relate to God's character - and therefore glory? The problem with the discussion in the video is that no attempt is made to understand God's HEART behind the existence of man and woman - using the bible - before engaging in a discussion about what men and women are supposed to do.
Either we believe every word of the Bible which is God or we don't sisters? High handed ness of scriptures is so prevalent today. Culture should not dictate His word. As in Genesis somewhere.. woman shall not have dominion over man ever again. Bc of the fall. Nice going Eve. I have joy and peace in being under a man Pastor but not joy nor peace under an apostate woman Pastor. I say this in love not legalism. I say this in the fear of the Lord.
@@iindahammermueller9865 Please see my earlier post in this thread (my apologies - I intended to write it as a reply to you but it appears that I did not).
Woman and men are equal to God but there is a divine order in God's kingdom. Woman can prophecy teach preach but cannot be pastors in a church. ..1 Timothy 2:12..Period. The woman is silent as far as that goes in church. They can however teach and preach those oto women and children in the church. I think being feminine and being masculine is a great gift of God. Man is stronger physically and therefore protects His wife and family. I like submitting to the authority of a true Godly Jesus believing Jesus loving and Jesus worshipping man. I like that the man can provide while a woman stays home with the children and cooks and makes the home a place of comfort and beauty and love with cooking cleaning praying raising up Godly children... Playing with them. The feminist movement divided what God brings together with the witchcraft movement in the church that says woman need to roar and be heard.. and fight for their rights. There is No love or unity in that. God knows best... If we just obey and stop making it about us and all about Him what a nation we could become.
The word Paul used for speak is the Greek equivalent of chatting. Not prophecy, not teach, not even speak or exhort, but chatter. Elsewhere the words for man and woman can more accurately be translated as husband and wife.
Thank you for this. I used to be so fearful of speaking. My voice was so quiet, I'd blush. I wanted to be heard. The Holy Spirit literally pushed me and gave ne the courage to do things that put me in front of women and then into leadership with men in ny church. Thank you, Lord. You Lisa have been my encouragement to keep going. Praise The Lord.❤
1 Timothy 2:11-12 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. This interpretation is a gray area, everyone interpret this verse differently; For example, 1st group believes that women shouldn’t preach in the pulpit period, 2nd group is in the middle of this issue, they believe women can preach in the pulpit but they can’t have final pastoral authority in church, and the last group believes women can preach and pastor as a spiritual leader in church final authority. People have different reasons of why they can’t or they can preach. Opinions are different from this. In my opinion, men were intended to be spiritual leaders but they fail God multiple times, so who will Be responsible to preach and pastor, God could call Women to pastor. So if God can use a donkey to talk? What is the problem of using women to talk in church. Some pastors believes women could preach but don’t have final authority and men will have to give them permission. A female pastor saids God called her to preach and pastor. Women are doing podcast and preaching in church, what is the problem, women in the Bible were preaching and leading and leaders of churches! My opinion is that, I believe women could preach and pastor, give those women a break and leave them alone. God saids husbands and wives submit to each other. Most churches have husband and wife as pastors. I prayed about it too, and God he will not make a big deal and which gender will preach and pastor that is stupid, if women were silent, Crystal spark wouldn’t be getting through to me, she would of kept quiet but she didn’t because God called her to preach and pastor with her husband. Why does this interpretation matters? What is the big deal! Just shut up and listen to women preach, if you can’t get off their channel. Just be open minded y’all. Lisa is right! Amie Dockery has the best presentation about this issue. Some presentations weren’t as good.
This is such a confirmation for me!! Lisa, I can relate to you so much! Your story reminds me of early sobriety when I was to get a female sponsor…ummmm, how ‘bout “no”…yet, I wanted to be sober. My sobriety brought me back to God! Now I’m 28 yrs sober, zealous for the Lord and been called as a leader. I need so much instruction in this bc I’m married to a legalistic man bc of his own upbringing. God bless you and I’m so grateful for John that he is leading and guiding you as the Lord leads. ❤❤
I am like you in that I want to do what God says in his word. I listened her and I’ve heard you and John touch on this before. Can you revisit these scriptures that are being used against you and give a breakdown of what those verses are actually saying verse by verse within the context that they were written. I truly want to understand more deeply. As John said in driven by eternity, we can’t read what we believe, but should believe what we read. I want to believe what God is truly saying. Thank you for always trying to make scripture more clear. ❤
Hello - I invite you to search this web page (Control F on windows - Command F on a Mac) for the words "I have great news" - that is my main post here. I hope that what I express in that post has the power to bring clarity - I limit the possible meaning of scripture on man and woman by revealing why what is called egalitarianism isn't a viable theology of sexuality.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation Read time: 12 minutes postable here
Mate the wolves are out in full force dont be deceived who was the one that was deceived in the garden of eden by the snake woman not man thats just the tip of the ice berg dont fall for this wolf in sheeps clothing
No women shouldn’t be silent i have learn a lot from a woman and i am a male. In 2020 everything was shut down. I watch a lot of female preachers and i start my bible again. So Ty so much .
Do they forget how many women paul sent letters to. No body questions that. So then during that time what whas going on and why fid paul suffer women not to speak. I dont think we truly understand.
Im sorry. Is last days now. And God said that in the last days I will pour out my spirit on all flesh and my sons and daughters will prophesy. So where should I prophesy? Is the prophesy for me alone? Food for thought🤔?
No-one on this forum - nor across most of the church - is arguing against women being able to prophesy. (The argument - when there is an argument - to with prophecy is whether there is any such thing as prophecy now. I cannot divert to explain now - but my view is that there most certain is - and that women can most certainly prophesy!).
No it's about what any person not trying to suppress the truth would conclude from reading passages like Genesis 2, 1 Corinthians 11, Ephesians 5, 1 Timothy 2, 1 Peter 3, 1 Timothy 3, and Titus 1. I don't know what to say - I don't know how you could suggest that if someone - after reading those passages - concluded that women should not teach men or have authority in respect of men in the church and the home - that they were gripped by the same spirit as Islam. What is your own conclusion from reading these passages?
Has someone said otherwise? The issue at hand is whether women should teach men - whether women should preach. Lisa quoting some nut job who said she was a witch doesn't cause the issue to become "Are women witches who must not even do the bible reading in church?"
I’ve had to address this topic for awhile! Why? Because the best pastor I’ve known in my life at 60 years old was and is a woman!! So out of reverence for the Word first and then her I’ve done a lot of time in on the topic! The following is what I concluded! Religion brings legalism if you think who battled Jesus more than anyone during and did not even recognize who they we’re talking to the messiah himself! The religious leaders of the time! Sounds familiar? Neither male or female we are on in Christ! The person of the Holy Spirit will moves on a man as well as a woman right? If you have someone walking out the call on their life being an example of the Love of Jesus! You know! If you have religion Like the religious leaders that encountered Jesus and did not even recognize him and they were should have if anyone should have!! Thank you Lord for Lisa and every woman that hears the call on her life!!
Thank-you so much for talking about the wife and husband dynamic where so commonly the woman tries to be the leader and the man just sits back like a little boy letting her mother him and it's a yoke! We didn't figure this out til 12 yrs into our marriage! But once we did it's been nothing short of a miracle. And it was all God that we figured it out we were on the path to destruction without God.
loooove this and The Fight for Female videos~! appreciate your voice. so timely~ side note: also love how you both present yourselves in your naturally beautiful ways. it's refreshing to not see insane amounts of makeup, "work done", etc., as you give an important message. it's exhausting how the modern day image of women in society is so artificial and toxic (visually speaking...).
I have lost all respect for you. Why would you say a predator needs time out? Robert Morris needs much more than time out. Have you completely lost your mind? I am praying that the Lord will continue to bring all the filth and corruption that plagues the Body of Christ.
Lisa, make a video how you give a man that doesn't work, doesn't read, doesn't take care of the house nor the kid, that you no longer respect, how do I make him a man? My job dont stress me, but my home situation does. I dont think its fair I have to quit my job or my aspiration, nor my small group, nor my growth. All I am makes him feel small, so he refuge himself in videogaming all night, sleeping all day.
This is video is taking what the bible say about women out of context.. Just because women are not permitted in the bible to be a preacher, doesn't mean that women should be silent in church.. Women could and should serve in many positions in church.. just not the preacher.. and all the women just focus on becoming one.. It's like when God told Adam and Eve not to eat the apple.. and the woman proceed to eat the apple
Golda Meinur and the startup of Israel as a nation- God in my lifetime using a woman to lead Israel. He chose a woman to form the nation from nothing. Look at the war of 1967 and Nixions' involvement in saving Israel.
16:22 😂 this is so me, I can be very very literal and love rules, so if we’re going to do it by the book, we need to do it 101% right, ALL THE WAY, and exactly how it is written 😂.
I would rather learn the gospel through a female than a deceptive abusive male Pastor. How many fallen Pastors are needed before people trust their own discernment?
What is a Church that says "See Heaven" "You are" "See Heaven" it is your body to be silent within to hear gods truth and not the times. Men and woman should be silent in the church is the same truth as "Woman should be silent in the church" use the laws of god and not common concepts to be silent in your church and "Preach" u "P reach each see heaven.
Have you ever questioned if women should have a voice in the church? How have your thoughts changed after watching this episode?
Short online read from 2013 Artemis and the End of Us: Evangelical Errors Regarding Women. Fox River Christian Church also did an excellent two part series on women in ministry called shout out found on UA-cam. Both filled with biblical and historical references presented in a fun and digestible way.
My thoughts changed only after Holy Spirit Convicted me when I was judging a woman preacher for her being a woman in ministry. Than Lord told me, “ you are a woman too… “I was convicted immidiately because I walk in prophetic over 20 years with most spiritual gifts mentioned in Corinthians. I still had that old religious nature in me that judged others, but was holding me blind to see myself. I love this topic ❤Thank you for your video!
Equal value yet different roles! Yes!
“ The Godly form for women is for wisdom and influence!! “ I love this @lisabevere! Very inspiring !!
As a previous woman pastor, I have had a lot of people share their criticism with me including even women who completely disagree with women teaching in church.
An elder of a church once told me the reason they don't have women in ministry was because Eve was the first to sin so women are innately "wicked". Some people have some seriously bizarre views on this topic and it has been such a toxic issue in the church which is crazy to me!!! Thank you for speaking out about this Lisa!!! I hope many women are encouraged and enlightened by this episode
I agree with you of the importance of the voice of women without undermining the men but giving the loving point of view of a mother that wants the best for her children. Spititually we are the same there is no gender. And Jesus came to give us that through his sacrifice for all who have Him as our saviour! Thanks Lisa for speaking up and help us women to in a loving way help others:
Why does nobody anywhere mention Acts 2:17 "’In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.18 Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy.
Edit: Nice! She mentioned it. I posted this before she even got to that part of the video.
I'm going to look into Acts again. I think the version is important in some of these cases. But also what constitutes the last days? Usually as I know that term Biblically it means after the rapture or right before it....and we cannot know when that is. Jesus says so.
Prophesing is different from what they are talking about here. I don't feel convicted yet one way or the other but I appreciate your comment so I can remember to look into this! ❤
Prophesying and preaching are not the same thing nor is praying.
@@AkikoAmons the act of prophesying is the ability to speak with divine inspiration. Even the King James has it written in plain english. Now I am not saying women should be a full leader of the church, but the Bible is loaded with things to come and if women are going to spread that and it's biblically accurate, then it is written. This verse is written as "God says."
@@KingdmOfYahweh82 that’s what I’m talking about God created order for a reason God , husband , wife and kids for a reason. I’m not saying women aren’t important but biblically women shouldn’t be the head of a church Gods word is clearly against against praying , prophesying and preaching aren’t the same thing I can prophesy to someone without being in the pulpit preaching a sermon.
Prophesying is COMPLETELY different from Teaching! You for tell an event that is to come AND THAT IS IT!!! In the book of Titus says what exactly women are to do in the church! BUT NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE DID GOD SAY! I will send my daughters to teach or be deacons or Elders!!!
Your story about allowing your husband to grow and letting go of the stress of controlling family life meant a lot to me. I love your honesty and faith! Thank you!
It comes down to what we value the most - people's self-presentation - or God's will for our lives as outlined in scripture.
Pst. Lisa, seriously, please be my mom. I'm in South Africa, I'll make it work.
I also would appreciate a mom like her! ❤ 😅 At least we can hear from her this way!
So cute ❤
Anything that promotes bondage is not Christ lead . Many of the scriptures regarding women have been taking out of context . I am grateful for my theology training because my understanding is much more clear .
Christianity IS bondage. It is freedom IN slavery - not freedom FROM slavery.
Christ is the perfect sacrifice - which means that from the day he is born to the day he died he submitted to his Father in all things. He did not assert his rights (Phil 2:6).
Being saved is becoming united with that same Jesus in his death - rising to a new life in which we have no rights (we are dead - a dead person has no rights) - in which God gives us the ability to please him in all things.
Luke 14:26 reveals that if a person who professes a faith has even a single idol they aren't a disciple of Jesus - they aren't saved.
“If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple".
(The good news is that instead of us having to produce repentance - we must instead turn to God in faith (faith that God has earned the right to our total worship in his perfect self-giving character). If God judges our faith to be authentic - a true turning away from faith in ourselves - he gives us the GIFT of repentance (see Acts 11:18, 2 Tim 2:25)). So then the way to know if we are truly saved is not that we profess a faith - but that our lives are completely free of idols. If we understand we will speak as if we do not have any rights before God - including 'the right to self expression').
I love this!
I preach and teach the Word of God biweekly as a young adult woman to middle school youth in my church, and I am grateful that God has given me a platform to share my voice 💕
Neither men nor women have "their voice" after being united with Christ in his death and resurrection.
Galatians 2:20 ESV
I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
@@sophialaurenceman to children and women is ok . You can't be head pastor of a church
It doesn't matter what Lisa says nor I say, or anyone else. Lord what do you say? Help us become one Body, Baptism and Spirit.
I’m a woman preacher. I have heard this more times than I can count. I didn’t ask to be a preacher and fought it until I couldn’t anymore. Opposition has come, but over 30 years into the call and I couldn’t imagine not serving God in the gifting he gave me. Thank you Lisa.
I still didn't see any Biblical verses in the video stating that as acceptable or not, do you perhaps know of any that do? I seek more clarity about it. ❤ I love women's groups and I do have Bible study that way a lot, just not only that way. I do believe in the importance of always seeking out what a man I trust thinks about it. Namely my husband. And if course I pray and seek Jesus' above all.
Until I know more I'd definitely be uncomfortable with a service that has a woman as a minister or preacher. But I'm open to the idea. I know most churches still partake in Christmas and Easter and those are vehemently non-Biblical. Actually anti-Christian in many ways. So it baffles me, needless to say I have many reasons I don't just trust church sermons anymore. 😅
I have two online churches I like to "attend" and am always a part of THE Church and love opportunities to evangelize (though I don't call myself an evangelical)...I don't know if evangelizing and apologetics is the same as preaching. I don't see it as such. So there's just a difference.
I would like more conviction about it.
People who are not spreading the gospel or preaching Gods word, telling women who ARE not too 🫠 Gid will use anyone & anything
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Until I know more I'd definitely be uncomfortable with a service that has a woman as a minister or preacher. But I'm open to the idea.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation
Read time: 12 minutes postable here
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I suggest you study the Passover, and find the places in the New Testament
where the word Passover is used. (You may get few or differing opinions
on this matter.)
Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel and said to them, “Go and take for yourselves lambs according to your families, and slaughter the Passover lamb. And you shall take a bunch of hyssop and dip it in the blood which is in the basin, and apply some of the blood that is in the basin to the lintel and the two doorposts; and none of you shall go outside the door of his house until morning.
For the Lord will pass through to strike the Egyptians; but when He sees the blood on the lintel and on the two doorposts, the Lord will pass over the door and will not allow the destroyer to come in to your houses to strike you.
-excerpt Exodus 12
Phoebe was a deconess in Rome. Junia and her husband were apostles.Priscilla was his coworker... This is Romans 16. In Corinthians, Paul was addressing the women in that church slecifically. This was exegisis based on culture relativity and heurmanuetics...this was written specifically to church at Corinth...and to Timothy he reiterated that women dont need to teach men or speak in church at that church. They were told they should have their head covered. It was said in Jude1? It was because of the fallen angels and nephilim. If men are offended it means you need a culture that will accept you and your gifts and calling. Not every church culture can handle women in leadership or ministry with men.
It's very important to not take the 1 Timothy passage out of context. It is rarely taught on correctly, so I understand why people act like it is so black and white. But, to say "the bible says" or "the truth is" feels naive at best.
The Bible also shows Paul partnering with multiple women church leaders, Chloe, Priscilla, Phoebe, to name a few. A third of Romans 16 are women listed and I have never heard it preached that way. Pastors don't even know, it has been so buried in poor English translations for so long. Jesus privately spoke with women and then counted on them to spread the word, examples include the virgin birth, the woman at the well announcing that He was the Messiah and the women at the tomb. If we were to remain silent, those major pillars in the Christian faith could have been lost.
Paul and Jesus appear to not "practice what they preach". When the Bible appears to contradict itself then we have to dig deeper. What was the original Greek? What was the historical context? Timothy seems to be asking Paul for help with a list of problems in his churches. Paul specially addresses one man and one woman in this passage, a couple in Timothy's church, not a plural group.
The Greek word used here for "authority" is a brutally oppressive, domineering word. Most people would not say that women ever get to treat men like this. It's a straw man's argument to say that this means a woman cannot speak with authority over any man in church. Any time any Christian speaks God's truth, they speak with God's authority, not their own anyway.
These churches were filled with uneducated women who were trained in the pagan religion of worshipping Artemis, a Greek goddess who said that Eve was created first and therefore can dominate and even hunt men. Paul is setting the creation story straight. Adam was created first. However, that is a huge leap to say that is proof of why women cannot speak. Elephants were created before man, but that doesn't mean they have authority over them. Men and women were given the Great Commission, all are called priests, all are given the spiritual gifts, all are told by Paul to prophesy and pray in the church setting for the benefit of the entire Body.
The church is described as the family of God, if only the fathers are allowed to ever address the family, isn't this akin to something like a gay marriage, which even unbelievers will argue isn't the best setting for raising children in? Mothers will always bring in another perspective in a family that reflects the feminine aspects of the image of God and strengthens everyone listening.
At the very least, one could say this topic of women speaking in church is controversial. And if you have to choose a side, choose the side that has the potential to save the most souls, to cultivate the most fruit and disperse the workload of the harvest.
There is absolutely nothing within 1 Timothy itself which would lead anyone to conclude that Paul's directives there are in response to a specific issue with the Ephesian church. On the contrary - the reasons Paul gives for why women should not teach men are both universal (verses 13 and 14) - both out of Genesis - not out of the Ephesian Times! While your argument is that those verses - which are two reasons - namely that Adam was created before Eve - and Eve wasthe first to be deceived - are relevant to who should or shouldn't domineer who - yes? Who would have thought that Adam being created before Eve relates to women in Ephesus being domineering!
You make it sound as if the only place in the bible which provides insight into the role of men and women is 1 Timothy 2. Not so. What about Genesis 2? What about Ephesians 5? What about 1 Timothy 3? What about Titus 1? What about 1 Peter 3?
That's quite an effort - you failed to mention ANY of those passages but you did mention Romans 16 - proving that if someone wants to believe something they will no doubt do so.
Do you believe that ANY person whose bible is in their language is able to read the bible and reach right conclusions about the heart of God? Of course you don't - you just quoted from some book by someone with a PhD who makes it their life work to tell us why what the bible plaining says it doesn't mean INSTEAD of receiving the combined teaching of scripture on man and woman.
@@philipbenjamin4720beef should be shown more grace for being younger though, also they were teaching Goddess Diana religion.
This was soooo good
The first person to preach that Jesus is alive was a woman. Jesus respected women for their strengths.
Preach???
No ways..nothing like than..no woman preacher in the Bible
That’s not preaching. Don’t you know the difference? God will not be mocked to suit the desires of the flesh and tickling of peoples ears.
She ministered to Jesus she didn’t preach to him not the same thing.
Please don't build your theology from a single fact from scripture - or if that isn't the case - please don't comment in a way that gives that impression.
To have a theology of sexuality you will have to develop a united understanding from all of scripture - but certainly from Genesis 2, 1 Corinthians 11, Ephesians 5, 1 Timothy 2, 1 Timothy 3, 1 Peter 3, and Titus 1. I wish you well in that task.
@@AkikoAmons So, women can be ministers but not teachers?
A lot of them comments here are very sad. Makes me wonder if they even listened to the video or if they just came to argue. 😢
Come Lord Jesus, come. 💔
Since you believe that people aren't paying enough attention to the video what ideas from the video that were biblically substantiated stood out for you?
@@philipbenjamin4720 It is sad that these comments perpetuate separation instead of unity which is exactly what the Apostle Paul taught. If we have not TRUE love for each other in the body of Christ what do we really have.
What a powerful testimony!! Women are God's ANSWER to so many problems. Let's give women space to speak and live out their God-given callings!
A woman was the cause of sin entering the world.
No - God is the answer to every problem. Neither men nor women are God's answer to any problem. Instead men and women have the privilege of sharing in God's purposes in the way that he specifies in scripture.
@@philipbenjamin4720 God is always the answer- of course! But I love how God uses humans as an answer to our calls for help. Moses was an answer to the Hebrews’ cries for deliverance. Jesus was an answer for our sin problem. The Lord often answers our needs with PEOPLE, and that includes women :)
@@TheSacredShade Thank you for your reply. I believe that understanding the truth about men and women would not be a problem if first we all understood that both men and women have absolutely no standing in the face of God's unalterable justice - and our being sinners - if not for the righteousness of Christ - which we can only receive in exchange for our death. If we are dead we have zero rights - we have no voice - no right to self-expression. The problem isn't that women are not allowed to preach - the problem is that some men preach as if ignorant of what I just explained.
@@-xyz-012No, it was Satan
The women’s silence in the Bible was because the women were disturbing the worship service and speaking out of order.
Exactly
Thats exactly so
No that’s not why. Read the Bible to learn why instead of listening to peoples deceptive opinions.
I am trying to find that scripture, but it makes sense that they would be silenced from interrupting. There are so many cases of the Bible being misunderstood on a large scale.
Kind of like they do today?
Just slightly over 50 years ago, I (male) responded to the tugging of the Holy Spirit as a woman pastor preached the gospel message. My life changed forever. I am so glad that the Holy Spirit was not against women peaching the gospel because if He wasn't working, I would not likely have responded. One of the most succinct and timeless teachings in the bible is by a woman and is recorded in John 2:5. This is obviously with God's authorisation, or otherwise He would have told John to remove it from his gospel. Interestingly, Numbers 22:30 records where God used an ass to try and speak correction to a prophet. God is sovereign and can use whoever or whatever he wants: to speak through, including rocks (Luke 19:40).
@bluebutler8101, Thank you, because these are the scriptures I was thinking about as well.
It seems I have always known women should have a voice in the church. There is a stereotype that wants to quieten the voice of his daughters. Listening to what you experienced strengthens me that our voice is powerful. Our voice is important in the church, as well as the home and also the workplace. Ms. Lisa you embody women to rise above and Speak into this generation, so other generations will also be bold to speak change.
Your voice and my voice die the day that we choose to be united with Christ in his death. Believers no longer live - they have no rights - their bodies are temples in which the Holy Spirit lives.
The Holy Spirit is God - the idea that any person or group can stop the Spirit from speaking in us and through us is nonsense. God is not limited by anyone. (The opposite view is a kind of Christian nationalism - "unless Christians occupy particular positions their voice will be suppressed"). The problem isn't that women aren't supposed to preach - the problem is that when some men preach they preach as those who imagine they still have a voice.
In a church, a woman is restricted from teaching or having spiritual authority over men
The Bibles says
1 Timothy 2:11-12
NIV
11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet
A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge's verdict could not be altered or appealed.
A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting.
A Judge was REQUIRED in scripture to judge only the hardest of cases.
Refusal to accept a Judge's verdict on any matter,
resulted in execution, according to Deuteronomy.
If your beliefs can't explain all this, they must be false.
@user-iz8np3vv4i What i'm talking about is the order of a church ⛪️
@@iknowwhatyoudidlastsummer4k
The Judge was the primary pastor/shepherd of God's
people during that time period. I suggest my free postable
essay on Deborah. All teaching about 'women in ministry'
has to line up with her.
so what about Deborah, and you need to start learning to read the Bible in context
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So many people commenting that are equating prophecy, praying, sharing the gospel as women preaching and authority over men in the church. They are not the same, that is equivocation.
The Bible is clear, women can teach women, how can they say that women can’t teach girls and women, that is literally what the Bible tells you to do.
This is such a beautiful, necessary, real conversation. Thank you Lisa.
Please don't forget about the importance of us men; God also created us for a purpose.
This question is tough. Is the pastor's wife also a pastor? How do you classify Joyce Meyer? My pastor used to say that you can only preach after you performed 20 funerals and visit 1,000 people in the hospital. Everyone wants to do the popular job, talking. No one wants to visit someone in the hospital or visit a poor Neiborhood's. Should women visit people in the hospital and minister in poor Neiborhood's? My pastor's wife is a big star. She likes to speak in conferences and charge good money. In the church she doesn't even say "hi".
Judges 4:4-5
“Deborah, a prophetess and the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time. She used to sit [to hear and decide disputes] under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim; and the Israelites came up to her for judgment…
The villagers ceased to be; they ceased in Israel Until I, Deborah, arose, Until I arose, a mother in Israel.”
Judges 5:7
Have you ever read the very last verse of the Book of Judges???
@@ALTheFreeMan
I wrote an informal essay on Deborah. The sending of a Judge
was God showing mercy to His people.
@@8784-l3b You seem to be really focused on Deborah, despite the fact that she was a Judge during one of the lowest points for the Israelites. I personally think she is an exception rather than the rule. Also, I’ll add that the examples of women in “leadership” are all OUTSIDE the scope of a church environment. When Paul said women were to be silent in the church, and they’re not to be in authority over men, he was setting up rules for the CHURCH.
@@ALTheFreeMan
Deborah is what God did, so to speak. Any doctrine that
opposes what God did, is, and has to be, a false doctrine.
Paul's teachings are all over the place. His belief that he was
a 'father' was his most serious false teaching. It calls into
question all his teachings about eldership/pastorship.
I wrote a long post on this subject. And yes, Paul was very
sure he was a 'father' and that there were others.
For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers...
-excerpt 1 Corinthians 4 KJV
-words of Paul
And do not call anyone on earth your father; for only One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
-excerpt Matthew 23
-words of Jesus
@@8784-l3b I agree that Paul’s writings are all over the place, especially in regards to the Law. However, I’ve always found it interesting that so many Christians love reciting Paul’s words that say we’re “released from the Law”, but they totally ignore his instructions regarding speaking in tongues, and women being silent in church, and women aren’t to be in authority over men. Do we believe the Bible or not???
Wow. I'm actually quite shocked listening to Lisa's experiences - the people walking out of the church for starters.
Men telling women what to do and calling them a witch for non-compliance - it’s a tale as old as time. We can't be burned at the stake anymore!
The world needs all voices to share God's word, and there is room in God’s house for everyone.
It’s especially important for women and girls to hear from strong, authentic, and powerful women of God.
#HearWomenRoar
Also the fact that Adam also failed not only Eve. I'm pretty sure God gets just as angry with him if not more so, as he was the head of them and to be not "Lording" over her but to be someone to direct her when he sees her doing something wrong.
My husband even surprised me but being very adamant about this. (No pun intended..."adamant?" 😅) That he feels Adam is actually more guilty than Eve in this sense. More accountable. I think they are equally accountable or Adam slightly more so given that role.
We are created with different sets of hormones. When we have healthy hemostasis it's obvious. We are all called to be kind but in different ways. Women are better at being gentle and patient it seems. To rear children primarily, and to be so with our husbands as well as they can get stuck in protection mode etc.
There's a healthy give and take when we follow God's plan.
But for sure is always surprising when people knee-jerk to mistreatment in the name of Christianity, it doesn't make sense. I'm glad she's here to tell us about it! ❤ She's not a victim she's strong as a daughter of YHWH.
@KarenStrunks, EXACTLY! The comments bring more DIVISION then UNITY.
Writing it backwards. So beautiful 🥹
One really important thing we need to consider is the way Paul talks about the spiritual relationship between a woman and her husband, and how that connects to the church. Paul describes the church as the bride, and Christ as the husband. So just like the bride is supposed to seek the wisdom and leadership of her groom, the woman in the church should be looking at her physical "husband" , the way her physical husband is looking at his spiritual husband - Christ - looking for guidance, rather than trying to be the one in charge.
Another key point is that being a preacher or leader in the church is just one part of what it means to be an elder. Elders are also called to serve the church in all kinds of ways, and they even have to be willing to die for the church and for Christ's name. Which happened and is happening today in places where the church is being persecuted.
But a married woman's primary calling is often to have a family and raise children. And she's supposed to be willing to sacrifice for and "die" for her family, just like the elders do for the church. So if you let a woman have the same kind of authority as an elder, she gets all the privileges of that role, but doesn't have to shoulder the same heavy burdens.
As Jesus coined succinctly in
Luke 12:48 " But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.
What is given ? clearly it includes authority. If you are given much authority , much will be required of you .
Yes a woman can instruct her children, help guide other women, serve the church in so many ways . Even evangelise on a day to day basis. There are so many things a woman can do as a part of the body of christ that are as important as preaching with authority.
Paul is talking about each having their own gifts in christ. And they should use them. Some prophecy, some are healers, some are really good at prayer and so on . The point is to be meek and humble and do your part the best way you can and with all love as a part of the body of christ.
And speaking of meekness . One of the things Paul was concerned about in a woman preaching, was that this pursuit would, pull her away from meekness towards self importance , or at least would present this strong temptation. The aspiration for us as christians is to not cause our brothers and sisters to stumble in temptation, which they will eventually not be able to overcome, and cause them, to develop a false jesus in their heart and mind.
In my opinion, you have given a very good summary. I don't know why people often fall to the extreme ends with regards to certain topics and often due to own assumptions. I have thought about this topic and will continue to do so, but always base my beliefs on the Bible. Eventhough you did not mention bible verses, I can relate your comments to scripture
Can't wait to hear this.
I believe that those who speak against and try to silent women are twisting scriptures out of proper context..
After Jesus was resurrected he sent womem to go tell the disciples he had resurrected.
Payl had many women beside him helping him share the gospel.. Some women wven heald church gatheringsvin their homes etc...
There are women prophetess etc..
So, why did Paul also say that women shouldn’t have authority over men????
@@ALTheFreeManpreaching and authority are completely different. Authority is in charge, preaching is spreading a message.
No woman preacher mentioned in the Bible
@@KingdmOfYahweh82 I agree, but there will be those who take it a step further and say there’s nothing wrong with a woman being a pastor.
@@NthabiKido-yz3wt And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus. This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John. And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.
Thank you Lisa for talking about this I’m tired of hearing this lie that women can’t preach and teach the word of God ❤❤❤
The only thing we know from your statement is that there is a person called Shakeeta somewhere who believes women can preach. You didn't offer any reasoning for why everyone should believe either that women should preach - or that women shouldn't preach.
I love the mention of who is head of the church? THIS one hits home for a ton of issues in the churches, since Catholicism at least. Jesus is the head of the church. THE church. My husband is the head of our household. The thing is he is called to love me like Jesus loves the church.... that's an incredible standard to aim for. ❤ It also means he has kore accountability. Throughout the Bible there are outright lessons about being held accountable with the more power, authority, and knowledge one has.
Women having less authority in these places is a protection IMO. We can still be harmed here, we trust in the protection of our spirit and the eternal. But there are also thoae spiritual battles and the physical world we have to grow in at this time, that is affected by Satan and his minions.
I trust in Jesus. But he has lessons for what is healthy and what is not...for what is worth fighting for and worth risking for and what is not. We are even told not to be foolish in situations that are unnecessary and not what we as individuals are called to do.
Sometimes it's harder to take a step back and accept a role that might be less public or less outspoken. I believe if we lsten to the holy spirit and study the Bible it will become clear. 📜🙌🕊️
I appreciate Lisa Bev so much, though I've only just come across her in a few videos. I don't see her as a preacher etc, but I also wish I would understand better the specifics of what the Bible says. I'll have to look into Acts.
I do like the video about authority as women, with Jesus. That made sense to me. But there are different forms of authority.
As it sits now, a Bible study led by a woman is different to me than a woman minister. I would avoid a service that had such until knowing more from the Word. ❤ But I also won't attend a church with Christmas and Easter celebrations, as that is not Biblical.
No one is perfect and no service would be I'm sure. But I am not comfortable entertaining things the Bible is specifically against. As far as I knew it's against women ministers but need to dig. I oove the info about the pulpit history. Interested in more.
Thank you for sharing your view with such humility - gracefully according to your convictions yet non-judgmental. This was such a beautiful example to me, truly refreshing🤍
you wrote:
I don't see her as a preacher etc, but I also wish I would understand better the specifics of what the Bible says. I'll have to look into Acts.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation
Consider reading the book, The Making of Biblical Womanhood by Dr. Beth Allison Barr. Fascinating.
That book is phenomenal. I agree. Highly recommend.
Is it possible to understand the bible without buying 'manuals' to go with it? How often? All of the time? None of the time? Some of the time?
Is it dangerous for a twelve year old to open their bible and read 1 Timothy 2 without someone being there to tell them that what anyone would consider to be the plain meaning of it is the very opposite of what the chapter means?
Egalitarianism is elitism.
Do you agree that if we need the help of pointy headed people with PhD's to understand man and woman that proves that God is unfair in creating people with varying intellectual capacity?
Is receiving God's heart for man and woman a head exercise?
One of the greatest deceptions in the church-
KEEP WOMEN SILENT!
These men have an issue that they need to deal with!
Women are powerfully used by God!!
AMEN
❤ Yes to only teach Other Women and Children, according to the Inspired Word of the Lord 🩸✝️ Jesus Christ ‼️ it’s Not about Anyone’s “opinions or feelings”❤
Thank you Lisa❤ I always look forward to your teachings, such a blessing! Powerful stuff & much appreaciated.
at 37 minutes in.... It is hard when we haven't seen the roles as they are supposed to be. It seems we are always looking to others on how we are supposed to be doing things. There is a need for Titus2 women teaching the younger women. Problem is I'm 61 and still haven't gotten all the answers. I know what doesn't work, but not what does work. I think we need more examples or pictures to learn from. It is frustrating when we are divided in the church on these things as it adds to the confusion. I would love more teaching/discussion on this topic.
you wrote:
I would love more teaching/discussion on this topic.
I suggest my free postable essay on Deborah.
Religion always messes things up.
Woah. This blessed me so much Lisa, thank you for sharing. Thank you both! ❤
Women should definitely be able to Preach in the House of God. And we should definitely be able to be a Pastor. And we should definitely have a voice in the church for sure 100% !! and submission should absolutely/definitely be mutual always not one sided!!! And Women Pastors/Preachers are not witches at all Jesus is a massive advocate of women this is absolutely 100% true Solid facts everyone!!! And I’m super thankful to God always that I’m absolutely 100% extremely extremely Single :)@Lisa Bevere
I'm sorry, but you are wrong. It states otherwise in the bible.
The Bible literally says women should not preach in church to men. We can preach in women's ministry.
@@TruthRevealed982 yesss!!!
@@antoinettemoore976 can you please explain Priscilla teaching Apollos? Or Deborah as a judge and giving a commandment of God to a man? Or Phoebe being described by Paul as “diakanos” the same word he uses to describe his own station and Apollos in 1 Cor 3:5 by which people came to believe on Christ?
If 1 Tim 2 is as black and white as you make it out to be, then it is in contradiction with the rest of the Bible.
I can't believe the first comment I see is this with the same last name as mine! 🥰 @jilllingenfelter4682 hey girl!
I use Deborah and Samaritan woman at the well - old and new testaments on how the Father has His daughters speak
So misguided God help you
You are
🥂💪💯👏👏👏 THANK YOU FOR THIS!!! Thank you for sharing and speaking up with a great testimony 🙏 God bless and God be with you. ❤
❤ she speaks truth
The bible reminds us to be in the spirit of love, Which is godly love it is not a self love. It is a love that is taught to encourage and elevate others as we want to be encouraged and elevated. The culture is different now than it was back in biblical times. Jesus had a number of women in his ministry. That's why whenever we read scripture, we need to not only read it by the written letter but we also need to read it.Asking the Holy Spirit to illuminate things to us.
So that we may understand the contest correctly. It's funny how people will listen to their own mother.But they won't listen to a lady many times that is presiding over a meeting when many times she may be more qualified. But at the same time that doesn't mean that we demasculate men. So there needs to be a healthy balance where we help each other. We lift up each other and like the Bible says we bear one another's burdens.
A family just left a small church I speak in monthly because the husband believes women must not speak in church. He was not open to any conversation with the elders of the church.
I suspect he believed one of Paul's false teachings. He had a
number of them. These false teachings do damage to this day.
@@8784-l3bWOW. Paul had false teachings….?!?!? So I suppose you do not believe in the inerrency of The Cannon of Scripture…. You know, since Paul was the author of many books allowed within the Cannon of Scripture…. 🤷🏻♀️🤦♀️
They did the right thing. The church and its “leaders” are going against God’s Word.
@@cmwd9734
I've been a Christian a long time. I used to just accept everything
by Paul, but those days are long gone.
Paul repeatedly referred to himself as a 'father' even referring to
Christian men as 'son'. This is his most serious false teaching.
He stated there were other 'fathers' as well, yet never gives the
qualifications to be a 'father' in any letter.
Anyway, I wrote an essay on some of Paul's teachings. He
didn't come out well.
____________________________________________
Top suggestions if any reader should wish a study:
Part 10 The most serious false teaching of Paul.
Part 6 Another serious false teaching of Paul
(This entire informal essay is too long to be pasted
up all at once.)
TABLE OF CONTENTS OF:
PAUL
HIS FALSE, CONTRADICTORY, AND CONFUSING TEACHINGS
INTRODUCTION
Part 1 PAUL'S CONVERSION STORY
Part 2 PAUL INSTRUCTS/ORDERS TIMOTHY TO BE CIRCUMCISED
Part 3 PAUL CONTRADICTS HIS OWN TEACHING ON TONGUES AND PROPHECY
Part 4 PAUL STATES IT IS ACCEPTABLE TO EAT FOOD SACRIFICED TO IDOLS
AS LONG AS NO ONE SEES YOU DOING SO
Part 5 PAUL SEEMS TO ALTER HIS BELIEFS AND WHATEVER ELSE IS
NECESSARY FOR THE "SAKE OF THE GOSPEL".
Part 6 PAUL TEACHES THAT A HUSBAND RULES OVER HIS WIFE
Part 7 PAUL'S SUPPORT FOR MARRIAGE IS WEAK
Part 8 PAUL WRITES OF HEARING DIVISIONS WITHIN THE CHURCH
AND HOW THIS WAS NOT PROPER AND SHOULD STOP
YET STATES THAT CHRISTAINS SHOULD FOLLOW PAUL
Part 9 PAUL WAS OK WITH THE UNSAVED PREACHING THE GOSPEL
Part 10 PAUL REFERS TO HIMSELF AS A SPIRITUAL FATHER
THE MOST SERIOUS FALSE TEACHING OF PAUL
Part 11 PAUL STATES THAT WOMEN SHOULD BE SILENT
Part 12 PAUL IS OPPOSED TO WOMEN BEING ELDERS.
THEREFORE HE IS OPPOSED TO WOMEN BEING
SHEPHERDS/PASTORS.
PART 13 PAUL'S FALSE BELIEF THAT THE RETURN OF JESUS WOULD TAKE
PLACE WITHIN A HUMAN LIFETIME RESULTS IN HIM TEACHING
AGAINST MARITAL SEX AND NORMAL EMOTIONS
PART 14 PAUL STATES THAT HE IS A PERFECT CHRISTIAN
CONCLUSION AND FINAL THOUGHTS
Order in the house of the Lord is just like the order in the house of a man. You need a male figure as a headship, a woman as ideal helpers. Ideal helpers are also leaders, at home and at a church. All over the Bi le, women are phrophets, teaches, evangelizes, but no where in the Bible, the women is the head. A church requires the top pastor to be thst male figure who will give his life for the bride like Christ give his life for His life.
Lets be leaders as we are meant to be, different to men. Lets not confuse that with head pastorship.
you wrote:
All over the Bi le, women are phrophets, teaches, evangelizes, but no where in the Bible, the women is the head.
Deborah. Judges 4 and 5.
@@8784-l3b Deborah was not a pastor. She was a prophet and when the leader of the nation was called for battle he refused, hence she took his place. I do think in the absence of male headship, God allows us to cover until the male is restored. We are design to be great with our femenine leadership, like Esther's and Abigail's. Men are designed for their masculine leadership. Praises to God for men! We should fight more to help them fullfill and embrace their leadership role correctly, instead of trying to usurp it.
@@323azteca
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation
(In case the reader in unaware, the word pastor and the word
shepherd are the same word. I prefer shepherd, because it has
obvious meaning to the average person.)
Major modern English translations like the NASB use
the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people...
In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation
Some believe that pastor (or shepherd), is a position that
was created in the New Covenant. This is not true. In the Old Testament
shepherds are mentioned multiple times. Often in a negative way.
“My people have become lost sheep;
Their shepherds have led them astray.
-excerpt Jeremiah 50
For an entire chapter on worthless shepherds, the reader may
check out Ezekiel 34.
When the shepherd over Israel died, the people went back into sin. That is because the Judge was the most important spiritual leader of this time period.
But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways.
-excerpt Judges 2
Deborah, full essay read time: 12 minutes, free, postable
Thank you
Judge Deborah.
Excited to hear your thoughts on this subject. Also, we hear our Heavenly Father all the time through His word via Deborah, Esther, Ruth, Hannah, and so many others. There’s even that instance where a donkey was used and spoke so why not through women?
Because of Paul in the NT
Because Paul says women shouldn’t be in authority over men, ESPECIALLY within the church.
Since for some reason you are listing women in the bible who didn't preach don't forget Mary. She was a woman - and she didn't preach.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation
Read time: 12 minutes postable here
@@8784-l3b So you develop your theology of man and woman using a single person from the bible - and you expect us to take you seriously? If you want to have a theology of sexuality you will need to develop a united understanding about man and woman from all of scripture - and certainly with an explanation of ALL of the following passages:
Genesis 2, 1 Corinthians 11, Ephesians 5, 1 Timothy 2, 1 Peter 3, 1 Timothy 3, Titus 1.
I think I just found my new favorite UA-cam channel 💗 Thank you
Lisa-thank you so much. I can relate on many levels. Thank you for your obedience to Him.
Thank you Lisa. As a woman who is a bit awkward and was laughed at as a child by a large group of girls, your words really resonate with me. God bless you, your family and your ministry abundantly. I am also terrified of public speaking.❤
Hey momma Lisa , check out the sermon " Leave our Women Alone" but Bishop Noel Jones . It's a powerful message
Woman absolutely can preach and teach...TO WOMEN and CHILDREN. It's biblical..yay! But NOT as pastors on the alter... I don't care how great you pride yourself on your own voice ... God said NO....why are we bringing the feminist movement into the church?? Why can't we just obey God's word???? Pride and ego...that's why. I don't need you sticking up and being a voice in the Almighty pulpit for me. No thank you. I believe and obey and do God's word.
I'm sorry for what happened to you when you spoke the first time...not real men of God to do that to you. Praise God for the woman and children you preach and teach to...but alllll glory goes to Jesus. Right? Come on...just read HIS word.
What do you believe is THE HEART behind the 1 Timothy 2 directive?
Imagine you had a friend who said he liked U2. So you send him some of U2's music (this is all very dated!). Then imagine you find out that the reason your friend likes U2 is not because he likes their music - but because when U2's music is on his dog stops barking. That's pretty important information, yes? Next time you might send your friend dog biscuits.
It's the same with EVERY BIT of the bible. Unless we determine God's heart behind it we haven't got a hope of obeying it rightly.
So then - what is God's heart behind 1 Timothy 2:11-14?
Hint - unless we come TO THE VERSE with some conclusions about what a man is THEOLOGICALLY - and what a woman is THEOLOGICALLY - we are left with trying to understand why people with penises should preach in church - and people with vaginas should not. Pretty silly, yes? So - if you attempt to answer my question (whether or not you reply) I suggest you focus on whether there is anywhere in the bible which reveals WHAT man IS in the heart of God - and what woman IS in the heart of God. How does manhood and womanhood relate to God's character - and therefore glory?
The problem with the discussion in the video is that no attempt is made to understand God's HEART behind the existence of man and woman - using the bible - before engaging in a discussion about what men and women are supposed to do.
Either we believe every word of the Bible which is God or we don't sisters? High handed ness of scriptures is so prevalent today. Culture should not dictate His word. As in Genesis somewhere.. woman shall not have dominion over man ever again. Bc of the fall. Nice going Eve. I have joy and peace in being under a man Pastor but not joy nor peace under an apostate woman Pastor. I say this in love not legalism. I say this in the fear of the Lord.
@@iindahammermueller9865 Please see my earlier post in this thread (my apologies - I intended to write it as a reply to you but it appears that I did not).
Woman and men are equal to God but there is a divine order in God's kingdom. Woman can prophecy teach preach but cannot be pastors in a church. ..1 Timothy 2:12..Period. The woman is silent as far as that goes in church. They can however teach and preach those oto women and children in the church. I think being feminine and being masculine is a great gift of God. Man is stronger physically and therefore protects His wife and family. I like submitting to the authority of a true Godly Jesus believing Jesus loving and Jesus worshipping man. I like that the man can provide while a woman stays home with the children and cooks and makes the home a place of comfort and beauty and love with cooking cleaning praying raising up Godly children... Playing with them. The feminist movement divided what God brings together with the witchcraft movement in the church that says woman need to roar and be heard.. and fight for their rights. There is No love or unity in that. God knows best... If we just obey and stop making it about us and all about Him what a nation we could become.
All women are called to prophecy/preach! It is biblical. The Acts church did not have buildings or pulpits - those things are UNBIBLICAL
No they can't. That's what God says in the Bible.
The word Paul used for speak is the Greek equivalent of chatting. Not prophecy, not teach, not even speak or exhort, but chatter. Elsewhere the words for man and woman can more accurately be translated as husband and wife.
Thank you for this. I used to be so fearful of speaking. My voice was so quiet, I'd blush. I wanted to be heard. The Holy Spirit literally pushed me and gave ne the courage to do things that put me in front of women and then into leadership with men in ny church. Thank you, Lord. You Lisa have been my encouragement to keep going. Praise The Lord.❤
1 Timothy 2:11-12
A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.
This interpretation is a gray area, everyone interpret this verse differently;
For example, 1st group believes that women shouldn’t preach in the pulpit period, 2nd group is in the middle of this issue, they believe women can preach in the pulpit but they can’t have final pastoral authority in church, and the last group believes women can preach and pastor as a spiritual leader in church final authority.
People have different reasons of why they can’t or they can preach. Opinions are different from this.
In my opinion, men were intended to be spiritual leaders but they fail God multiple times, so who will
Be responsible to preach and pastor, God could call
Women to pastor.
So if God can use a donkey to talk? What is the problem of using women to talk in church.
Some pastors believes women could preach but don’t have final authority and men will have to give them permission.
A female pastor saids God called her to preach and pastor.
Women are doing podcast and preaching in church, what is the problem, women in the Bible were preaching and leading and leaders of churches!
My opinion is that, I believe women could preach and pastor, give those women a break and leave them alone.
God saids husbands and wives submit to each other. Most churches have husband and wife as pastors.
I prayed about it too, and God he will not make a big deal and which gender will preach and pastor that is stupid, if women were silent, Crystal spark wouldn’t be getting through to me, she would of kept quiet but she didn’t because God called her to preach and pastor with her husband.
Why does this interpretation matters? What is the big deal! Just shut up and listen to women preach, if you can’t get off their channel. Just be open minded y’all. Lisa is right!
Amie Dockery has the best presentation about this issue. Some presentations weren’t as good.
Lisa has been such an inspiration to me! I have never related to a woman more in my life!
Thank you for having this conversation
This is such a confirmation for me!! Lisa, I can relate to you so much! Your story reminds me of early sobriety when I was to get a female sponsor…ummmm, how ‘bout “no”…yet, I wanted to be sober. My sobriety brought me back to God! Now I’m 28 yrs sober, zealous for the Lord and been called as a leader. I need so much instruction in this bc I’m married to a legalistic man bc of his own upbringing. God bless you and I’m so grateful for John that he is leading and guiding you as the Lord leads. ❤❤
Thank you for doing this. This is so empowering❤
Where are the last day women to prophecy at?? In a field alone?
There's a good book by Kenneth Hagin called "The Woman Question" which answers most issues
I am like you in that I want to do what God says in his word. I listened her and I’ve heard you and John touch on this before. Can you revisit these scriptures that are being used against you and give a breakdown of what those verses are actually saying verse by verse within the context that they were written. I truly want to understand more deeply.
As John said in driven by eternity, we can’t read what we believe, but should believe what we read. I want to believe what God is truly saying.
Thank you for always trying to make scripture more clear. ❤
Hello - I invite you to search this web page (Control F on windows - Command F on a Mac) for the words "I have great news" - that is my main post here. I hope that what I express in that post has the power to bring clarity - I limit the possible meaning of scripture on man and woman by revealing why what is called egalitarianism isn't a viable theology of sexuality.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation
Read time: 12 minutes postable here
Amazing testimony !
Mate the wolves are out in full force dont be deceived who was the one that was deceived in the garden of eden by the snake woman not man thats just the tip of the ice berg dont fall for this wolf in sheeps clothing
How is jezebel seductive? Its a spirit that tries to shut prophets up, but I dont see her being seductive at all in the scriptures
YES!!!!!!!!!
No women shouldn’t be silent i have learn a lot from a woman and i am a male. In 2020 everything was shut down. I watch a lot of female preachers and i start my bible again. So Ty so much .
You're always a blessing to me❤
I found my voice six years ago because of you ❤ thank you
Do they forget how many women paul sent letters to. No body questions that. So then during that time what whas going on and why fid paul suffer women not to speak. I dont think we truly understand.
Lisa, please clearly define prophesying. Thank you.
Im sorry. Is last days now. And God said that in the last days I will pour out my spirit on all flesh and my sons and daughters will prophesy. So where should I prophesy? Is the prophesy for me alone? Food for thought🤔?
No-one on this forum - nor across most of the church - is arguing against women being able to prophesy. (The argument - when there is an argument - to with prophecy is whether there is any such thing as prophecy now. I cannot divert to explain now - but my view is that there most certain is - and that women can most certainly prophesy!).
This is Gold- thank you so much
Thankyou girls
Thank you Lisa for this profound message😊
Thank you for speaking to me ❤
This is the same control issue that Islam has.
No it's about what any person not trying to suppress the truth would conclude from reading passages like Genesis 2, 1 Corinthians 11, Ephesians 5, 1 Timothy 2, 1 Peter 3, 1 Timothy 3, and Titus 1. I don't know what to say - I don't know how you could suggest that if someone - after reading those passages - concluded that women should not teach men or have authority in respect of men in the church and the home - that they were gripped by the same spirit as Islam. What is your own conclusion from reading these passages?
Thank you Lisa for your powerful messages
Jesus respected women and had them spreading the word.
Has someone said otherwise? The issue at hand is whether women should teach men - whether women should preach. Lisa quoting some nut job who said she was a witch doesn't cause the issue to become "Are women witches who must not even do the bible reading in church?"
What gospel is that from?
I’ve had to address this topic for awhile! Why? Because the best pastor I’ve known in my life at 60 years old was and is a woman!! So out of reverence for the Word first and then her I’ve done a lot of time in on the topic! The following is what I concluded! Religion brings legalism if you think who battled Jesus more than anyone during and did not even recognize who they we’re talking to the messiah himself! The religious leaders of the time! Sounds familiar? Neither male or female we are on in Christ! The person of the Holy Spirit will moves on a man as well as a woman right? If you have someone walking out the call on their life being an example of the Love of Jesus! You know! If you have religion Like the religious leaders that encountered Jesus and did not even recognize him and they were should have if anyone should have!! Thank you Lord for Lisa and every woman that hears the call on her life!!
Sounds good. For more study I suggest my free
informal essay on Deborah. The Judges were pastors/shepherds.
Read time: 12 minutes postable here
I preach because has commissioned me to do so
Preacher is not a 5 fold office imo.
Thank-you so much for talking about the wife and husband dynamic where so commonly the woman tries to be the leader and the man just sits back like a little boy letting her mother him and it's a yoke! We didn't figure this out til 12 yrs into our marriage! But once we did it's been nothing short of a miracle. And it was all God that we figured it out we were on the path to destruction without God.
A wonderful book to read on this subject is, The Making of Biblical Womanhood, by Dr. Beth Allison Barr.
I would have been so mad at John.
loooove this and The Fight for Female videos~! appreciate your voice. so timely~
side note: also love how you both present yourselves in your naturally beautiful ways. it's refreshing to not see insane amounts of makeup, "work done", etc., as you give an important message. it's exhausting how the modern day image of women in society is so artificial and toxic (visually speaking...).
I have lost all respect for you. Why would you say a predator needs time out? Robert Morris needs much more than time out. Have you completely lost your mind? I am praying that the Lord will continue to bring all the filth and corruption that plagues the Body of Christ.
Lisa, make a video how you give a man that doesn't work, doesn't read, doesn't take care of the house nor the kid, that you no longer respect, how do I make him a man?
My job dont stress me, but my home situation does. I dont think its fair I have to quit my job or my aspiration, nor my small group, nor my growth. All I am makes him feel small, so he refuge himself in videogaming all night, sleeping all day.
This is video is taking what the bible say about women out of context.. Just because women are not permitted in the bible to be a preacher, doesn't mean that women should be silent in church..
Women could and should serve in many positions in church.. just not the preacher.. and all the women just focus on becoming one.. It's like when God told Adam and Eve not to eat the apple.. and the woman proceed to eat the apple
So good! Who is the woman in pink in the podcast?
Her daughter in Law
Golda Meinur and the startup of Israel as a nation- God in my lifetime using a woman to lead Israel. He chose a woman to form the nation from nothing. Look at the war of 1967 and Nixions' involvement in saving Israel.
This is so powerful! Thank you!
16:22 😂 this is so me, I can be very very literal and love rules, so if we’re going to do it by the book, we need to do it 101% right, ALL THE WAY, and exactly how it is written 😂.
Ms. Lisa Bevere, can you do a Fight for Female video on gossip in the church; specifically among women
I would rather learn the gospel through a female than a deceptive abusive male Pastor. How many fallen Pastors are needed before people trust their own discernment?
What is a Church that says "See Heaven" "You are" "See Heaven" it is your body to be silent within to hear gods truth and not the times. Men and woman should be silent in the church is the same truth as "Woman should be silent in the church" use the laws of god and not common concepts to be silent in your church and "Preach" u "P reach each see heaven.
26:22 I have seen and experienced manipulation from men though as well 😞
Bring the filth and corruption in leadership in the body of Christ to the light.
Thank You Lisa. My husband and I are ordained Pastors and I have yet to preach because of what people will say but your story encouraged me.
You need to be able to explain Deborah properly first.
Her story is the first matter to understand. I suggest
my free essay her. Postable here.
I love this !! Thank you for sharing this !
Zayres omygosh I haven't heard that word in a long time.
I need to talk with you on your channel