I would say aff lock is worse off then ele shaman. Elemental Shaman in Season 3 is fine. We are in the top half in DPS and now we have ways to have AOE and st especially in M+.
@@TheFabulousEnby Yea. Playing Aff lock in M+ makes you an AoE god in large pulls but with healer damage in ST. The way their talents are set up make it impossible to spec more into single target without losing a ton of aoe. Which at that point, just play demo or destru since youre doing gimped damage. Destruction rn is actually doing very very well. Almost on par with demo
@@zak8991 I find Affliction super bad. Too bad because it is my favorite. I can't quite pin down the exact thing that is causing it. Ramp up time? Shard generation? Where as with Demo, after the initial pull's ramp up (to get the demonic cores flowing), I pumping on even small and medium sized pulls.
@@antoniojohnson7693 It’s my favorite spec too. The spec definitely needs a rework, or at least talent position changes to allow us to pick up more single target without losing a crazy amount of AoE. I’ve only been casually playing it, and doing 20’s you can actually come out pretty high on overall dps if not top. But it requires planning out your vile taint and soul rot windows and making sure you snipe shards with drain soul for the next pack otherwise you’ll do no damage. I play with Cresendo to make single target easier to deal with getting free raptures so you don’t have to pool as many shards for soul rot. And I’m honestly leaning more towards Dread touch over doom blossom even during fortified weeks because our aoe is that strong. You won’t be a god at big pulls but at least you can contribute boss/priority damage during certain pulls while still doing respectable aoe
As a prot warrior main, ouch, this hurt. The issue with prot warrior, in my opinion, isn't survivability (I feel pretty sturdy), it's just how little I can do for the group other than basic tanking. Paladin can interrupt everything, off heal, save dumbasses in the group with freedom/sacrifice/protection/LoH, they have a much easier time gathering pulls of multiple casters, they do better damage... The warrior doesn't bring anything to counter those goodies except for how well we mitigate damage. Paladins are the kings of group utility, warriors are supposed to be the best at just shrugging off physical damage like it's nothing, but right now every tank is as tanky as the warrior is, so there's no upside to being a warrior.
Prot should have a spear that pulls all mobs into its circle like spear of bastion but larger, they really lack a nice pull. I know a couple tanks have that already but let’s be real, prot would really benefit from it. Plus it fits the whole warrior thing.
after i went on my healer to get KSH, the nr 1 thing i mentioned about tanks is: Prot warrior is squishy as fuck, it is BY FAR the hardest tank to heal
@@zylle1993 then you had a bunch of bad ones. Dmg input is pretty good on prot. It.maybe feels like this because all other tanks have insane amounts of selfheal. But from a DMG intake perspective warriors are a breeze to heal.
Hey I main resto shaman (Alt ele) and lemme tell you, we might not bring the best healing or dps... but we ALSO have the worst survivability, and we STILL don't have a raid buff :D
Sv main here and i pump in mythics (140k single/sustained easy!!) and never die, atleast not like others. Only classes that have beat me in dps is warlock, ret pally, and demonhunter ... One fire mage one time. And not since I dont think most players grasp the aggressiveness required of sv.
Good video! I find that prot warrior is REALLY GOOD at keeping themselves alive. Most of the time running 20+ keys the healers don't even need to heal me for most pulls. It's just that I can't keep threat on literally anything like I can on my Vengeance DH / Monk / Prot Paladin
The "armor-ism" is so true, the second highest armor type has all the super squishiest classes and it's not even close. Also some1 find out what the Mage developers has in the way of dirt on the people in charge (one of the classes with most utility and survivalness, let's give them Mass Barrier as well....)
i'll post this just about everywhere. shaman keeps getting noted as missing group/raid buffs. shaman (along with paladin) was an original support spec. They need their full totem kit back so they can immediately drop all four totems at once with the mix based on the group/raid comp and the specific fight.
I am at the point where i hope they reduce all classes to 1 spec per job. dps = one spec with talent choices for flavor. Tank = 1 spec with talents for flavor, and healing = 1 spec. No more classes with 3 dps specs. if the class doesn't have 3 jobs they only get one spec with flavor choices. Easier to balance no more rediculous whining over my spec isn't best or balanced. The entire player base wants their pvp spec to be the raid spec also, so F it get rid of all of the pvp specs and make it all talent choices.
@@johnmimbs5289 worst thing I've ever read this gave me eye cancer dud wtf? I get your point but without this then homogenize everything and give everyone everything so make every spec/class less unique and interesting then.
@@johnmimbs5289 You have no idea how balancing even works, while I'm aware multi specs are much harder to balance but 3dps classes have always one really really fucking good spec doing giga performance. Don't look at it from an emotional perspective my dude, learn and adapt and overcome it so you can perform well instead of wishing for the best case scenario, it will never happen. Blizzard listened to the players and this was their mistake imo:) while they provide good feedback, 99% of them including myself don't know wtf they're wishing for.
All the mail classes are squishy like they are cloth wearers, then all the cloth wearers are tanky like they wear mail or plate wtf is wrong with that picture. I thought for immersion in the rpg world cloth wearers have always been really squishy, and mail and plate always had more survivability. That’s not the case in the back asswards world of warcraft, leave it to blizzard to destroy the rpg immersion.
With warrior mentioned in all areas, it appears warrior has been the worst class of the expansion with shaman and evoker fighting for 2nd. Finally druid would be 4th worst
As a survival hunter main I cannot say that you are wrong about this. I could mention that lack of positive balance running towards the spec, that horrible talent tree, or the baggage that we have carrying since the Introduction of melee and later the Shadowlands. But the reality is that this is and will remain one of the most hated/ least popular spec in the game as long as it doesn’t receive a serious rework. Don’t get me wrong I really like melee survival but outside harpoon fury of the eagle and birds of prey this spec does not offer much that appeals to most of the wow community. It feels horrible when a BM hunter with 200 io less gets invited over you; or getting removed because well you are survival even though the up and logs say that you pretty good. I still manage to perform well but it feels like is not enough and that shit gets tiring.
Warrior seems to have been one of the worst classes these past few expansions. This only for people to tell me, "Just wait till the end of the expansion and you'll be meta." LOL what a joke. Too many glaring problems in our class design and neglect since bfa is the cause. Imagine living in a world where people justify the same dps classes being at the top for representation and being pure dps specs. So why is it then, that warrior routinely is not only bottom to mid tier dps, but most likely a bottom tier tank? Might as well just delete warrior from the game and give DKs shout or something, kek.
I love everything about elemental shaman except that you are not rewarded with high dps for executing correctly. You are only punichsed for not playing perfectly. If you plan out a big pull with stormkeeper chain lightnings and layer a bunch of earthquakes, and somehow miraculoulsy the tank DOESN'T move the pack out of that, you do....average dps. Meanwhile a mongloid ret or warrior just mash divine storm/bladestorm, and go through the roof. I love the spec, but I don't play it.
2nd season ele was one of the harder rotations to keep up with. Super fun once you get it down but very punishing if you mess up the rotation. This season you literally spam lava burst and win with the fire buid. Your lava burst keybind will break and its almost like playing BM hunter. Extremely dull
"miraculoulsy the tank DOESN'T move the pack out of that".. Sounds familiar as a destro lock 🤣🤣.. It's bottom of priority list apparently for 99% of pug tanks.
Why choosing a prot warrior where you can pick a prot pally with tons of interrupts, ability to deal with incorporeal, ability to deal with afflicted, ability do remove roots, group off healing, immunities… 😅
@@ivocorti8370 it is way better. 2x charges, intervene, heroic leap and extra movement speed on passive. Were pala only got their divine stead its painful
@@ivocorti8370 HEHEHEHEHEH Yeah that is a bold faced lie. If you think warrior mobility is the same or worse then prot paladin there is not way you have played both.
I can only speak for Mythic+, but Marksman ship hunter is good, they just aren't relatively easy to play as Beast Master hunter. I think people just don't pick them because of how effective Beast can be with much less effort. I personally know a couple of Marksmanship Hunters who out DPS pretty much everyone. In my experience, Affliction seems the most atrocious of the classes I have played this season (Fire mage, Frost Mage, Demo Warlock, Arms Warrior, Ret Paladin)
*Cries as resto shaman main and prot warrior alt* Glad I have a ret paladin at almost 3.4k w/o legendary axe because the drop system is really great even not skipping a single HC Fyrakk kill.
If you ask me, the problem is that Blizzard is making two different games in the game and the two games do not work together at all... One... All of the pillars are now vigorously competitive, no matter what level you level on, people will always pick the route of least resistance which means, only picking meta... And yes I know there are some who don't, but I don't talk about that tiny minority of people who don't do it, the chances that I click on your group and sign up is small.... No in general and as the rule, everyone even if it's a +10 key will only take what people say is the meta so that the chance of timing the key or even getting +++ on the key is higher, not ever taking in to consideration that meta only ever matters if you want to be the best in the world and only 0.01% of people will ever get to do that, but that don't matter to people, because Blizzard puts so much focus on Competition when it comes to the three pillars.. Instead of back in the day, it was only PvP that was competitive and PvE was for the rest of us that just wanted to have fun and it was great... Now for the other game Blizzard is making, is the RPG, the class fantasy... But I'm sorry, if you wanna make a competitive game, you can't also not care about real balance and focus on the class fantasy and feeling like a feral druid... You have to make sure that everyone can do the same thing in this competitive world you've made, maybe not the same way but they need to be able to do it... You can't have 1 class that can summon, you can't have just a few that can give PI or other raid wide buffs, can't only have these ones be able to mass interrupt while others have no interrupts at all, it don't mean everyone gotta be able to do exactly the same the exact same way, you can make things feel different even if it's basically done the same way... We are all just in the end clicking on keyboards, nothing really is different at all, but if the feral's mass interrupt or Pull is large vines erupting from the ground to pull in everything, or ghostly mirror cats the spread out to interrupt everything around it, that is where it feels different from a DH who has a sigil that explodes on the ground, it don't mean that only some should be able to do something, everyone should be able to do everything in a game set up this way even if it's not done the exact same way, especially when you are so damn focused on making the game a full 100% competitive stage. At this point, class fantasy sadly have to get deleted in favor of being able to do what is needed in such high competition... Else you end up where people.. Like at least 80% of the player base who just wanna be able to play what they find fun, cause like at the end of the day... It's a game, it's supposed to be fun... No longer can cause they can sit in queue from they get on till they log off, only getting 2 dungeons done cause they just won't ever get invited, even if they've done +23s and are just signing up to +18s just to get their vault filled, but still won't ever get invited.... Sorry about the wall guys.
@@Uncle-Ruckus. They gave some unique utility like abo limb and pull, but I think the same. Boring, slow and deffo not fun to play. This is my exp though, not flaming anyone who loves DKs.
Imo DF was the worst xpac for holy priest since cata. That raid stuff was gimmicky b/c high end players used it as exploit but our healing has been consistently garbage
6:37 Interesting how you literally turn it on the head when it comes to Tanks and healers you give the opposite reasoning to resto shaman and what you have in the past for prot paladin in season 1 start of season 2
this is why its hard to get io, these videos making it even harder for non meta tanks to climb. As prot warrior sitting at 2961 no one is picking me up cuz of better options, like blizzard need to do something to fix it. I feel like a dps sitting in these fucking long ques. Legit i understand some specs are more efficient but to be excluded in top content cuz you not meta. At this rate i could make meta tank and pass my current tank that i love.... actually sad
You're right. The community puts so much stock into what any WoW content creator says. Nobody plays what they love anymore; only what someone else says is "meta"
The only time I don’t pick a prot is during incorp only because brewm/veng both have instant cc for incorp mobs. It’s a shame war has no tools for incorp. Makes 0 sense.
@@mrchards37true S2 spriests everywhere S3 dhs everywhere and 0 spriests I can’t believe people’s just grow up a new character for each new season. They don’t like wow. They like only numbers. Suffering on my arms warrior since 2013.
I played Survival from early TBC right up until it went Melee, its not the spec that suits melee imho, That should of been Beast Mastery, Balls Deep with your army of beasts in the mix. Survival should be the kitey trap build as it always was. Not this abomonation it is now, so until Survival goes back to being ranged I will never play Hunter again
MM start the expansion by losing Binding shot our last good utility in M+ then i guess losing double tap in the first season because it was OP in pvp? was the last nail in the coffin for many n now here in the last season our tier set gives us double tap just to really troll MM by saying hey remember that fun ability we took from you? but whatever i only pray n hope MM at least get a BL they can use without having a pet out if they still want the talent lone wolf to be a thing in the next expansion
Loosing Double Tap sucked (remove it in PvP if it's OP only there), the "rework" of binding shot was bad and then also nerfing their only self heal at some point as well (can't remember when it was) is just horrible
That’s why I no longer play because of how they did ele shaman. This was a expansion that was literally about earth magic and fire, which was the perfect time to make them meta or atleast busted for a few patches but they shit the bed on that and lost my sub.
Affl lock has been the worst this entire xpac. Don't know why it was left off this list. Obv doesn't play it or he would be as frustrated as the rest of us.
As this expansion had a lot shaman themed lore, i predict this was blizzards way to give shaman as much love as they can. So i dont expect shaman to perform nearly as good in the next expac. Good times are ending soon, expect to be left hanging high and dry.
Oh god Izen is preparing for his trip to Germany and joining AFD jk jk edit: Izen you should let your hair grow back out until Elemental Shaman gets buffed.
Imagine DF being the Evoker xpac , the hero class, and at it's worst LMAO ! When wotlk came DK's were gods! when Legion came DH's were gods ..DF comes and evoker are ...trash. Who the hell runs these things at Blizz anymore? apes ?
The fact you said hunters have no utility 😂😂 Slows, tranq shot is a purge, cc, lust, misdirection. And that increases in pvp. Again, MOST HUNTERS ARE BAD.
Except there is little to slow, de-enrage or purge, binding was nerfed to the ground, MD is not often used in pug groups and if you lust you lose 1 defensive (or swap pets). Hunters in m+ are great for 20s though.
When have blizzard EVER done this? Because i can tell you you are asking for something that has literally NEVER in the history of the game been true. It is also funny how so many people talk about how easy BM is while you have specs like Fire mage who on single target has 4buttons + 2 cooldowns you press. Has WAY more movement then MM hunter (while at the same time Fire mages will claim the opposite even though i have played both and it is the case) Frost mage is as easy as BM hunter to play. And that is just 2 of the Ranged specs there are literally specs that are in season 3 2-3 button specs yet YOU are not talking about them because you do not actually believe what you are saying.
@@havtor007 BM can cast everything on the move, Fire has more than 4 buttons. Frost is easier for sure and typically is lower DPS than the other 2 specs of mage. I also was commenting on how BM shouldn't do more damage than marksman which has been the case more often than not.
Prot warrior is half as good as all the other tanks. Trust me I play prot warrior and a blood dk. I can pull 2x the volume as a blood dk with less gear.
@@Gunship888 how so? Reflect brought pwar into TGP alone in the highest keys. VDH is played right now because it has the trifecta: the most damage and a 5% buff, it is the tankiest tank, and has the most utility. You don’t need any of those to time really high keys. Go watch Pika, he’s slamming mega keys on pwar. The community makes tanks seem way worse than they are.
In season 2, brew, ppal, pwar, and Bdk all did significantly less damage and had a harder time living than Bear. Unfortunately, aug and reworks ruined the balance of that meta. There is no tank right now that has a hard time living outside of maybe BDK in high fort keys and the damage doesn’t matter as much this tier because the timers are far more lenient than dungeons like VP, HoI, and so on.
Problem with the video is the amount of bad players who now exist in the game and good players only doing 1 key a week per character....why do you think people are not playing this and playing SoD.....bad players have the same gear as the best player in the game. You can buy a 20 run for very little gold and get end game loot weekly. So the game actually promotes playing once a week for less than a hour per character....then at close to max level not playing at all cause really who cares about 3 ilvls on a character that is just going to not be played.
I think a lot of the unpopular/underperforming classes are only that way because people just don't know how to play them optimally. Sure the str melee dps have low numbers because Blizz is stupid, but I've practiced a lot of the underperforming classes in this vid and I usually can out perform a lot of players that are not only higher ilvl, but they also play classes that are pretty meta. There is also an issue with class complexity, and there is simply too much to keep track of, so it's not even the players' faults. It's just the classes aren't easy to play. Ironically, I think that's why I like to play them.
@@nikitalazarev3621 First off, the video says "Raids and M+", learn to read. Second, no one cares about anything above +20 except 0.1% of players. +16s are high enough to know what I'm talking about. Not to mention, but the keys themselves do not mean a damn thing about performance. A group of good players can beat any key within reason. Doesn't matter if it's a +16 or +26. You don't need godcomps unless you can't play optimally.
@@Gunship888 this is what I mean that ppl don't know jack shit, y'all only look at the tierlists and make up your minds anyways. while we have had gigachad wws doing really really well. idk man idk screw all this tierlist s tier bs:))
Blizzard balances Ele Shaman using the top 10 players in the world leaving the 99..999% of us in the dust, who would never achieve that level of damage.
Affl lock has been the worst this entire xpac. Don't know why it was left off this list. Obv doesn't play it or he would be as frustrated as the rest of us.
Honorable Mentions that didn't make it in;
- Feral Druid
- Destruction Warlock
- Affliction Warlock
I would say aff lock is worse off then ele shaman. Elemental Shaman in Season 3 is fine. We are in the top half in DPS and now we have ways to have AOE and st especially in M+.
@@TheFabulousEnby Yea. Playing Aff lock in M+ makes you an AoE god in large pulls but with healer damage in ST. The way their talents are set up make it impossible to spec more into single target without losing a ton of aoe. Which at that point, just play demo or destru since youre doing gimped damage.
Destruction rn is actually doing very very well. Almost on par with demo
@@zak8991 I find Affliction super bad. Too bad because it is my favorite. I can't quite pin down the exact thing that is causing it. Ramp up time? Shard generation? Where as with Demo, after the initial pull's ramp up (to get the demonic cores flowing), I pumping on even small and medium sized pulls.
@@antoniojohnson7693 It’s my favorite spec too. The spec definitely needs a rework, or at least talent position changes to allow us to pick up more single target without losing a crazy amount of AoE. I’ve only been casually playing it, and doing 20’s you can actually come out pretty high on overall dps if not top. But it requires planning out your vile taint and soul rot windows and making sure you snipe shards with drain soul for the next pack otherwise you’ll do no damage. I play with Cresendo to make single target easier to deal with getting free raptures so you don’t have to pool as many shards for soul rot. And I’m honestly leaning more towards Dread touch over doom blossom even during fortified weeks because our aoe is that strong. You won’t be a god at big pulls but at least you can contribute boss/priority damage during certain pulls while still doing respectable aoe
@@antoniojohnson7693 But yea either way you’ll do more dps as destro or demo with way less ramp which is sad
As a prot warrior main, ouch, this hurt.
The issue with prot warrior, in my opinion, isn't survivability (I feel pretty sturdy), it's just how little I can do for the group other than basic tanking. Paladin can interrupt everything, off heal, save dumbasses in the group with freedom/sacrifice/protection/LoH, they have a much easier time gathering pulls of multiple casters, they do better damage...
The warrior doesn't bring anything to counter those goodies except for how well we mitigate damage. Paladins are the kings of group utility, warriors are supposed to be the best at just shrugging off physical damage like it's nothing, but right now every tank is as tanky as the warrior is, so there's no upside to being a warrior.
Prot should have a spear that pulls all mobs into its circle like spear of bastion but larger, they really lack a nice pull. I know a couple tanks have that already but let’s be real, prot would really benefit from it. Plus it fits the whole warrior thing.
prot warrior and MM Hunter Main over here
Well if Blizz gave Bloodlust to the warrior instead of the lizard as it actualy made sense ....
after i went on my healer to get KSH, the nr 1 thing i mentioned about tanks is: Prot warrior is squishy as fuck, it is BY FAR the hardest tank to heal
@@zylle1993 then you had a bunch of bad ones. Dmg input is pretty good on prot. It.maybe feels like this because all other tanks have insane amounts of selfheal. But from a DMG intake perspective warriors are a breeze to heal.
Feral so bad , even IZEN forget he is a melee
Hey I main resto shaman (Alt ele) and lemme tell you, we might not bring the best healing or dps... but we ALSO have the worst survivability, and we STILL don't have a raid buff :D
Dude Ele is so off the Monitor of everyone being mediocre for Expansions... and then not having surviv and raidbuff or utilitiy ....gg
Whats crazy is Survival Hunter absolutely pumps dps. Its my main alt and I personally think its one of the most interesting specs in the game.
Sv main here and i pump in mythics (140k single/sustained easy!!) and never die, atleast not like others. Only classes that have beat me in dps is warlock, ret pally, and demonhunter ... One fire mage one time. And not since
I dont think most players grasp the aggressiveness required of sv.
I loved it as well, but BM is just better and ranged so I swapped :/
Subbed just for the comment about the back of your head being "farmed by cold air" hahahaha
Such a fried thing to say lmao I love him
Good video! I find that prot warrior is REALLY GOOD at keeping themselves alive. Most of the time running 20+ keys the healers don't even need to heal me for most pulls. It's just that I can't keep threat on literally anything like I can on my Vengeance DH / Monk / Prot Paladin
The "armor-ism" is so true, the second highest armor type has all the super squishiest classes and it's not even close. Also some1 find out what the Mage developers has in the way of dirt on the people in charge (one of the classes with most utility and survivalness, let's give them Mass Barrier as well....)
i'll post this just about everywhere. shaman keeps getting noted as missing group/raid buffs. shaman (along with paladin) was an original support spec. They need their full totem kit back so they can immediately drop all four totems at once with the mix based on the group/raid comp and the specific fight.
Affliction warlock is probably the worst spec in the entire expansion not just ranged dps.
I am at the point where i hope they reduce all classes to 1 spec per job. dps = one spec with talent choices for flavor. Tank = 1 spec with talents for flavor, and healing = 1 spec. No more classes with 3 dps specs. if the class doesn't have 3 jobs they only get one spec with flavor choices. Easier to balance no more rediculous whining over my spec isn't best or balanced. The entire player base wants their pvp spec to be the raid spec also, so F it get rid of all of the pvp specs and make it all talent choices.
@@johnmimbs5289 worst thing I've ever read this gave me eye cancer dud wtf? I get your point but without this then homogenize everything and give everyone everything so make every spec/class less unique and interesting then.
@@johnmimbs5289 You have no idea how balancing even works, while I'm aware multi specs are much harder to balance but 3dps classes have always one really really fucking good spec doing giga performance.
Don't look at it from an emotional perspective my dude, learn and adapt and overcome it so you can perform well instead of wishing for the best case scenario, it will never happen.
Blizzard listened to the players and this was their mistake imo:) while they provide good feedback, 99% of them including myself don't know wtf they're wishing for.
Warriors dire need of rework . both tank and dps got shit on for the whole expac
Mass reflect/bl/banner +sec. stat/buff rc
We need something for group
All the mail classes are squishy like they are cloth wearers, then all the cloth wearers are tanky like they wear mail or plate wtf is wrong with that picture. I thought for immersion in the rpg world cloth wearers have always been really squishy, and mail and plate always had more survivability. That’s not the case in the back asswards world of warcraft, leave it to blizzard to destroy the rpg immersion.
With warrior mentioned in all areas, it appears warrior has been the worst class of the expansion with shaman and evoker fighting for 2nd. Finally druid would be 4th worst
Especially in the healing and range dos department. Totally underpowered. 😉
evoker?
What's the add-on or weakaura that tells him in the middle of the screen that the abilities are up again?
Doom_CooldownPulse
Arms finally been trash for an entire expansion
As a survival hunter main I cannot say that you are wrong about this. I could mention that lack of positive balance running towards the spec, that horrible talent tree, or the baggage that we have carrying since the Introduction of melee and later the Shadowlands. But the reality is that this is and will remain one of the most hated/ least popular spec in the game as long as it doesn’t receive a serious rework. Don’t get me wrong I really like melee survival but outside harpoon fury of the eagle and birds of prey this spec does not offer much that appeals to most of the wow community. It feels horrible when a BM hunter with 200 io less gets invited over you; or getting removed because well you are survival even though the up and logs say that you pretty good. I still manage to perform well but it feels like is not enough and that shit gets tiring.
you look good in that shave bro, keep up the good vids :)
Warrior seems to have been one of the worst classes these past few expansions. This only for people to tell me, "Just wait till the end of the expansion and you'll be meta." LOL what a joke. Too many glaring problems in our class design and neglect since bfa is the cause. Imagine living in a world where people justify the same dps classes being at the top for representation and being pure dps specs. So why is it then, that warrior routinely is not only bottom to mid tier dps, but most likely a bottom tier tank? Might as well just delete warrior from the game and give DKs shout or something, kek.
I guess we shall see where the dice roll will land next xpac with the elite specializations.
I love everything about elemental shaman except that you are not rewarded with high dps for executing correctly. You are only punichsed for not playing perfectly. If you plan out a big pull with stormkeeper chain lightnings and layer a bunch of earthquakes, and somehow miraculoulsy the tank DOESN'T move the pack out of that, you do....average dps. Meanwhile a mongloid ret or warrior just mash divine storm/bladestorm, and go through the roof.
I love the spec, but I don't play it.
2nd season ele was one of the harder rotations to keep up with. Super fun once you get it down but very punishing if you mess up the rotation. This season you literally spam lava burst and win with the fire buid. Your lava burst keybind will break and its almost like playing BM hunter. Extremely dull
"miraculoulsy the tank DOESN'T move the pack out of that".. Sounds familiar as a destro lock 🤣🤣.. It's bottom of priority list apparently for 99% of pug tanks.
Why choosing a prot warrior where you can pick a prot pally with tons of interrupts, ability to deal with incorporeal, ability to deal with afflicted, ability do remove roots, group off healing, immunities… 😅
you forgot battlerezz ahaha
But prot pala mobility makes me wanna die 😂
@@lucasburghardt7955 Warrior Mobility ain't better
@@ivocorti8370 it is way better. 2x charges, intervene, heroic leap and extra movement speed on passive.
Were pala only got their divine stead its painful
@@ivocorti8370 HEHEHEHEHEH Yeah that is a bold faced lie.
If you think warrior mobility is the same or worse then prot paladin there is not way you have played both.
At this point I am of the opinion Blizz legit has no clue what direction to go with MM and Ele.
I can only speak for Mythic+, but Marksman ship hunter is good, they just aren't relatively easy to play as Beast Master hunter. I think people just don't pick them because of how effective Beast can be with much less effort. I personally know a couple of Marksmanship Hunters who out DPS pretty much everyone.
In my experience, Affliction seems the most atrocious of the classes I have played this season (Fire mage, Frost Mage, Demo Warlock, Arms Warrior, Ret Paladin)
To me marksman is a fraud because as a default they dont even bring heroism. It has to be played around and it doesn't do amazing damage
@@adamadamski1040 the two marksman hunters I know, the damage they do certainly isn't the deciding factor in us timing the key or not (20-25 keys)
*Cries as resto shaman main and prot warrior alt*
Glad I have a ret paladin at almost 3.4k w/o legendary axe because the drop system is really great even not skipping a single HC Fyrakk kill.
warrior got shit on the entire expac every flavor every patch.
I hope they get a huge rework for TWW
Prot was meta s1, but other than that, yeah we've gotten screwed. Need to give us a lust, or some way to handle afflicted/incorp
@@halbjorn1580 meta for a breif period in season one hahahahaha not leaps and bounds better than everything else but ideal for a split second.
@@Javier-il1xi C teir in almost all categories since BFA, They do not give a F about warrior.
Ya Lego axe is not that good for fury 😢 still get out dps by most classes
Nu-Blizz hating Mails....not even surprised.
If you ask me, the problem is that Blizzard is making two different games in the game and the two games do not work together at all... One... All of the pillars are now vigorously competitive, no matter what level you level on, people will always pick the route of least resistance which means, only picking meta... And yes I know there are some who don't, but I don't talk about that tiny minority of people who don't do it, the chances that I click on your group and sign up is small.... No in general and as the rule, everyone even if it's a +10 key will only take what people say is the meta so that the chance of timing the key or even getting +++ on the key is higher, not ever taking in to consideration that meta only ever matters if you want to be the best in the world and only 0.01% of people will ever get to do that, but that don't matter to people, because Blizzard puts so much focus on Competition when it comes to the three pillars.. Instead of back in the day, it was only PvP that was competitive and PvE was for the rest of us that just wanted to have fun and it was great... Now for the other game Blizzard is making, is the RPG, the class fantasy... But I'm sorry, if you wanna make a competitive game, you can't also not care about real balance and focus on the class fantasy and feeling like a feral druid... You have to make sure that everyone can do the same thing in this competitive world you've made, maybe not the same way but they need to be able to do it... You can't have 1 class that can summon, you can't have just a few that can give PI or other raid wide buffs, can't only have these ones be able to mass interrupt while others have no interrupts at all, it don't mean everyone gotta be able to do exactly the same the exact same way, you can make things feel different even if it's basically done the same way... We are all just in the end clicking on keyboards, nothing really is different at all, but if the feral's mass interrupt or Pull is large vines erupting from the ground to pull in everything, or ghostly mirror cats the spread out to interrupt everything around it, that is where it feels different from a DH who has a sigil that explodes on the ground, it don't mean that only some should be able to do something, everyone should be able to do everything in a game set up this way even if it's not done the exact same way, especially when you are so damn focused on making the game a full 100% competitive stage. At this point, class fantasy sadly have to get deleted in favor of being able to do what is needed in such high competition... Else you end up where people.. Like at least 80% of the player base who just wanna be able to play what they find fun, cause like at the end of the day... It's a game, it's supposed to be fun... No longer can cause they can sit in queue from they get on till they log off, only getting 2 dungeons done cause they just won't ever get invited, even if they've done +23s and are just signing up to +18s just to get their vault filled, but still won't ever get invited.... Sorry about the wall guys.
Warrior on the podium or 1st (last place) for every role they can provide for this expansion. Feelsbadman. Rework when?
Dks be like 🗿
At least warrior is super fun to play
@@adamadamski1040 meanwhile dks are both boring and bad 🗿.
@@Uncle-Ruckus. They gave some unique utility like abo limb and pull, but I think the same. Boring, slow and deffo not fun to play. This is my exp though, not flaming anyone who loves DKs.
At least you have blood :(
Imo DF was the worst xpac for holy priest since cata. That raid stuff was gimmicky b/c high end players used it as exploit but our healing has been consistently garbage
6:37 Interesting how you literally turn it on the head when it comes to Tanks and healers you give the opposite reasoning to resto shaman and what you have in the past for prot paladin in season 1 start of season 2
this is why its hard to get io, these videos making it even harder for non meta tanks to climb. As prot warrior sitting at 2961 no one is picking me up cuz of better options, like blizzard need to do something to fix it. I feel like a dps sitting in these fucking long ques. Legit i understand some specs are more efficient but to be excluded in top content cuz you not meta. At this rate i could make meta tank and pass my current tank that i love.... actually sad
You're right. The community puts so much stock into what any WoW content creator says. Nobody plays what they love anymore; only what someone else says is "meta"
The only time I don’t pick a prot is during incorp only because brewm/veng both have instant cc for incorp mobs. It’s a shame war has no tools for incorp. Makes 0 sense.
@@mrchards37true
S2 spriests everywhere
S3 dhs everywhere and 0 spriests
I can’t believe people’s just grow up a new character for each new season. They don’t like wow. They like only numbers.
Suffering on my arms warrior since 2013.
As a survival hunter, i can tell you. I PUMP. Most sv hunters are just bad.
why is survival tankier than the ranged?
Also their mastery heals them every few seconds. It’s not warlock self healing but it’s more than the other two specs
I played Survival from early TBC right up until it went Melee, its not the spec that suits melee imho, That should of been Beast Mastery, Balls Deep with your army of beasts in the mix. Survival should be the kitey trap build as it always was. Not this abomonation it is now, so until Survival goes back to being ranged I will never play Hunter again
holy paladin gameplay sucks ass at the moment. I don't care if it performs, the numbers can change. The way the spec feels is shit
MM start the expansion by losing Binding shot our last good utility in M+ then i guess losing double tap in the first season because it was OP in pvp? was the last nail in the coffin for many n now here in the last season our tier set gives us double tap just to really troll MM by saying hey remember that fun ability we took from you? but whatever i only pray n hope MM at least get a BL they can use without having a pet out if they still want the talent lone wolf to be a thing in the next expansion
Loosing Double Tap sucked (remove it in PvP if it's OP only there), the "rework" of binding shot was bad and then also nerfing their only self heal at some point as well (can't remember when it was) is just horrible
That’s why I no longer play because of how they did ele shaman. This was a expansion that was literally about earth magic and fire, which was the perfect time to make them meta or atleast busted for a few patches but they shit the bed on that and lost my sub.
Affl lock has been the worst this entire xpac. Don't know why it was left off this list. Obv doesn't play it or he would be as frustrated as the rest of us.
warriors should have BL
1st tank spec with bl. Will be great.
Next exp ? Even war get some time people who play tank who get love in SL and DF go to forum cry and war get nerft
As this expansion had a lot shaman themed lore, i predict this was blizzards way to give shaman as much love as they can. So i dont expect shaman to perform nearly as good in the next expac. Good times are ending soon, expect to be left hanging high and dry.
Besides resto shaman does not perform good now.
Lore has literally not a single thing to do with balance...?
@@sku11dugsWoWwdym people are timing 29 and 30s on it
Oh god Izen is preparing for his trip to Germany and joining AFD jk jk edit: Izen you should let your hair grow back out until Elemental Shaman gets buffed.
all tanks except the 2 exodia pieces are so trash. getting oneshot and being unable to heal as a brewmaster is so trashy.
All specs I like were bad in DF 😃
Haven't seen survival hunters, frost dk or windwalkers since shadowlands
Windwalkers are pretty big right now.... at least in M+
Lmao I'm survival . I see one or two
You don’t see ww? Must not do any m+ then, they’re massive damage in keys the higher you go.
Sv and ww are great in pvp
Good riddance, hate thinking I’m inviting a range dps bringing a hunter only to find out they’re playing survival.
just put on a hoodie bro
Imagine DF being the Evoker xpac , the hero class, and at it's worst LMAO ! When wotlk came DK's were gods! when Legion came DH's were gods ..DF comes and evoker are ...trash. Who the hell runs these things at Blizz anymore? apes ?
The fact you said hunters have no utility 😂😂
Slows, tranq shot is a purge, cc, lust, misdirection.
And that increases in pvp. Again, MOST HUNTERS ARE BAD.
Except there is little to slow, de-enrage or purge, binding was nerfed to the ground, MD is not often used in pug groups and if you lust you lose 1 defensive (or swap pets). Hunters in m+ are great for 20s though.
so tired of seeing a spec as easy as BM being such a high dps spec. Easier specs shouldn't be the best DPS
When have blizzard EVER done this?
Because i can tell you you are asking for something that has literally NEVER in the history of the game been true.
It is also funny how so many people talk about how easy BM is while you have specs like Fire mage who on single target has 4buttons + 2 cooldowns you press.
Has WAY more movement then MM hunter (while at the same time Fire mages will claim the opposite even though i have played both and it is the case)
Frost mage is as easy as BM hunter to play.
And that is just 2 of the Ranged specs there are literally specs that are in season 3 2-3 button specs yet YOU are not talking about them because you do not actually believe what you are saying.
@@havtor007 BM can cast everything on the move, Fire has more than 4 buttons. Frost is easier for sure and typically is lower DPS than the other 2 specs of mage. I also was commenting on how BM shouldn't do more damage than marksman which has been the case more often than not.
@@havtor007hello BM hunter
The tank meta has been good outside of the God Comp. Warrior has been fine. There’s always going to be tanks 1 to 1 1/2 key levels behind.
Prot warrior is half as good as all the other tanks. Trust me I play prot warrior and a blood dk. I can pull 2x the volume as a blood dk with less gear.
Prot war not nearly as kitted out as others, what game are you playing?
@@johnmimbs5289 I’ve timed a 29 on it this tier. It lives fine. No tank brings as much crowd control as VDH right now.
@@Gunship888 how so? Reflect brought pwar into TGP alone in the highest keys. VDH is played right now because it has the trifecta: the most damage and a 5% buff, it is the tankiest tank, and has the most utility. You don’t need any of those to time really high keys. Go watch Pika, he’s slamming mega keys on pwar. The community makes tanks seem way worse than they are.
In season 2, brew, ppal, pwar, and Bdk all did significantly less damage and had a harder time living than Bear. Unfortunately, aug and reworks ruined the balance of that meta. There is no tank right now that has a hard time living outside of maybe BDK in high fort keys and the damage doesn’t matter as much this tier because the timers are far more lenient than dungeons like VP, HoI, and so on.
Problem with the video is the amount of bad players who now exist in the game and good players only doing 1 key a week per character....why do you think people are not playing this and playing SoD.....bad players have the same gear as the best player in the game. You can buy a 20 run for very little gold and get end game loot weekly. So the game actually promotes playing once a week for less than a hour per character....then at close to max level not playing at all cause really who cares about 3 ilvls on a character that is just going to not be played.
I think a lot of the unpopular/underperforming classes are only that way because people just don't know how to play them optimally. Sure the str melee dps have low numbers because Blizz is stupid, but I've practiced a lot of the underperforming classes in this vid and I usually can out perform a lot of players that are not only higher ilvl, but they also play classes that are pretty meta.
There is also an issue with class complexity, and there is simply too much to keep track of, so it's not even the players' faults. It's just the classes aren't easy to play. Ironically, I think that's why I like to play them.
we're talking about high keys
U talking bullshit
@@nikitalazarev3621 First off, the video says "Raids and M+", learn to read. Second, no one cares about anything above +20 except 0.1% of players. +16s are high enough to know what I'm talking about. Not to mention, but the keys themselves do not mean a damn thing about performance. A group of good players can beat any key within reason. Doesn't matter if it's a +16 or +26. You don't need godcomps unless you can't play optimally.
Glad I'm not the only one that decides to shave their head when it's cold...
ngl i was listening and watching while taking out my hair and i noticed you used the same dungeon footage a few times, lol. why?
Windwalker was junk also
Lmao ok 😂
@@Gunship888 this is what I mean that ppl don't know jack shit, y'all only look at the tierlists and make up your minds anyways.
while we have had gigachad wws doing really really well.
idk man idk screw all this tierlist s tier bs:))
This video was rushed a bit
Blizzard balances Ele Shaman using the top 10 players in the world leaving the 99..999% of us in the dust, who would never achieve that level of damage.
Affl lock has been the worst this entire xpac. Don't know why it was left off this list. Obv doesn't play it or he would be as frustrated as the rest of us.