I think the biggest trap with tier lists is that they don't disclaim that below +25s they don't matter. People in their weekly 18s will pass up on warriors, DKs, resto/ele shamans, brewmaster monks, etc. because some streamer put them in B tier. It's such a shame.
It’s not because of a streamer put it in a tier. Mythic stats tracks weekly dungeons of every class and you can see which does what dps on a scale and also you can see which champs push more than others. It literally shows how high you can get with a class.
Single hardest thing to deal with as a Warrior is the group finder. Some weeks have affixes that prevent brining a Warrior, other weeks have affixes that Warriors can't help with.
@@davidpeat184 Warrior can do nothing to afflicted and can't properly deal with incorporeal. Also can't really deal with sanguine in any way. They used to not be able to help with bursting either, but they can now, and they are one of the few classes that can help with storming, but at a cost.
I think an important part about making specs easier is a few talent changes that lower the complexity for a lot of specs. For example shamans dropping cloudburst for healing stream or boomys using fury of elune instead of full moon. Both of these are considered worse than the alternative but the easier playstyle let’s a worse player perform better and afaik most to all classes will have some sort of option for this
Why does everyone get offended when videos say their spec is easy, it’s a game, chill out, people’s egos are so fragile. I sometimes play BM and love it, sometimes it’s fun to just face roll
I have been playing my BM mainly in 10.2 and hit 3k recently and its rotation is easy and there’s nothing wrong with that. Not sure why people care if their spec is easy or hard. As long as you do damage and the mechanics right who cares in the end? Just play what ya like is what I go with.
It’s because us day one vanilla raiders, you know people that actually know their class and have all their gear enchanted and gemmed. Blizzard has just handed gear to people that do nothing, alts with the Lego or people that play a few times a week getting it. Tired of this shit.
@@jhonwayne1003 what on earth are you on about? You’re saying you get offended when people call your spec easy because blizzard gives alts a legendary weapon?
@@sihi5634 I’m not offended, I’m sick of blizzard catering to casual ass players that don’t know their class and really don’t play. Rewarding casuals for absolutely nothing. You must be a casual
@@jhonwayne1003 why did you respond to my post though? It has nothing to do with what you’re talking about, you might know you’re spec but you don’t understand UA-cam apparently, or conversations. Kind regards, casual player.
Thanks, I am the epitome of a "hardcore casual", I play a lot of games, for a lot of hours, but never really reach high tiers or min/max anything. I just play for fun, so this guide is perfect.
As a healer main and a tank alt I would argue that learning tank is harder but once you have learned how to it becomes much easier than healing. So I guess from a total beginner stand point tank is harder.
@@saeedatenziIronically this video is for beginner players so the "what key level" stuff is completely irrelevant to the point of the video or the comment. I would say anything under like +16s is more toward the beginner side of things. Personally because I have a very limited amount of game time these days I focus on my healer and just mess around on alts so tanking and dps this season I'm nice and low and healing I'm around the +24 mark.
It's hard to say, because it's hard to define what a "total beginner" is. If a new player doesn't have mouseover casting enabled and/or is a "clicker" then healing is probably much harder. Beyond that basic level, tanking is probably more frustrating, particularly mid season when even people putsing around in a +2-6 will have some idea of how things "should" be done. If a player has some sort of help (guild, videos) or knows to google a route before going into a dungeon, I'd say healing is definitely harder. Low key players will make a ton of mistakes (many more than they even recognize) and that will make it difficult to keep them healthy while learning. It can be a very frustrating experience, particularly when the healer is most likely to be blamed when people start dying. That's not a cool environment to be in for a new player, who probably isn't even sure when a death if their fault or not.
@@Mooseplatoon Aye I would pretty much agree with everything you've said here tbh. At the end of the day difficulty of a role will be largely subjective to the person.
the main thing stopping me from starting retail again is the insane amount of abilities, 24 abilities should be a cap imo, now I have to get used to having 12 or 24 more keybinds on top of that. I really hope they fix this with the next expansion
@@derion917 check simulationcraft for single, but some are more active in aoe, complexity of rotation matters as well, ret seems fine for me, arcane mage and marksman for ranged
Don’t listen to this video. The easiest are brewmaster and warrior for tanks, ferals, enhs, and rogues for melee, mages for range, and discipline priest for healer. Don’t thank me (you never will, though).
@@derion917 frost dh and ret pala for melee, bm hunter for ranged in general. For casters, I think you may try destro lock or balance druid. For tanks - bear. For healers - holy priest or resto druid.
I have also noticed that warlock feels tankier then some other ranged classes but I was wondering if someone can tell me why that is. Also I play marksman hunter alt and it seems super easy but everywhere it says bm is easier I was wondering how so cause mm it’s just if 1 is up push 1 if not then 2 if not then 3 and that’s basically the whole rotation.
Warlock has some Talents, that makes him tankier, like soul link 10% of the damage the warlock takes, is taken by his pet instead (100k damage incoming > warlock takes 90k the other 10k the pet takes because of soullink),or a passive absorb shield that ramps up or the healthstone on him is more effective then on his groupmembers....also he has Talents that gives him more Stamina, all in all its because of the passive Talents and the giga health. 485gs warlock with Stamina buff from a priest, is around 950k hp
Evrryone say brewmaster is hard, but with my brew it was the first tine i got to m+20 in my life, and I am pretty casual. With certain talents you kill a lot of buttons and its not hard at all.
It is because they do not follow their own criteras when making these videos they have preconceived notions of what they want to put there and ignore their own criteras.
@@havtor007 depends where you start from. If you are brand new to the game and decide to pick brewmaster, it's going to take 5x the amount of hours for someone to master it over any other tank. obviously depends who you are, if you are a quick learner the faster you are able to master it
Basically every class tbh. I play frost mage which is considered one of the easiest class and I counted 40 buttons on my action bar, 35 of which need to be keybound.
Bears not hard but it’s harder than you think especially without the raid tank trinket. You actually have to plan out your defensives on top of healing, stunning, grouping caster mobs by stunning them and moving the pack around to distant mobs that won’t move. While being pretty slow.
I disagree with the prot warrior. I play all the tanks and on low keys with other beginners prot war is amongst the hardest tanks imo. Nobody kicks and the healers barely heal, so your survivability is pretty much all on your own. Prot war handles unkicked spells and not dispelled debuffs pretty bad and the self healing is the worst of all tanks. If you are bad at shield block uptime you get slapped pretty hard. Pala and VDH have great control and self healing to help with kicks and debuffs, bdk rotation is very easy and the hard part of bdk doesn't really matter in low keys (avoid oneshots) so these 3 tanks are more beginner friendly imo.
Prot warrior until +20 you either take zero damage or you need to press buttons. Shield block has almost 100% uptime from kinda low ilvl. I doubt you have played prot paladin though considering what you said is just not true with lower gear. (also on the self healing part prot warrior does more self healing then prot paladin fyi)
If your talking about the thing under the health bar on the hunter game play thats just showing the buttons he's pressing, details has one built in but there's a few out there that do the same thing not sure exactly which one is being used there tho
Btw y bm is the easiest starter class but to be the top 1% is with all roles hard😉 and btw i play a friend hes bm to and new hes rond about 340 me that startet wow and i was 420 had 20% dps more + playing the mechanics and affixes axactly that is the diffrence
sorry for negative comment, but i do not like to watch 14 minutes video to get simple information (9 BEST & EASIEST CLASSES for BEGINNERS in MYTHIC+). It could be showed on a picture. At least at the start or the end of the video...
Bm hunter and ret paladin are on easy list , maybe destro too. I have 484 frost mage and 483 demonlogy lock 2800+ ratin both and demonlogy is much easier. Basicly mage have double the keybinds and trouble for same outcome, except demonlogy do more dmg. But i love both specs, demonlogy is just higher apm but smoothet spec dmg and survivlibility wise.
@@shockshow9823 many specs get 1 shot there without externals. its a mix of really annoying dungeons and even more annoying tyrannical bosses that can last up to 8mins. i'm personally done with this season.
@@Sly_404 playing fire mage for example is way easier at high end compered to hunter, yes hunter has easy movement and rotatiom but he has to sacriface alot more to survive, mage has like 4 best def cd in the game and doesnt have to be scare of death on high keys
How do you do that? Frost mage is on the same level of difficulty as BM hunter until +21s. Also that is plain wrong with the amount of buttons between demo and Frost mage. Also Fire mage has less buttons to press then Frost mage what makes Fire harder to play is the buffs where you need to press things not the rotation itself.
Please, stop encouraging new/inexperienced players to pick up Balance Druid. They are straight up one of the worst specs in the game in low keys. A boomie who doesn't know what they're doing will deal tank dps and spend half of the key dead because they're made of tissue paper. Balance Druids don't start to come online until the mid teens (when mobs live long enough for them to flex their muscles) and can't survive repeated mistakes without active defensive usage (something new/low key players WILL NOT DO). That does not make for a beginner friendly experience, especially once you start getting flamed. I think the rest of this video is fundamentally solid, but content creators need to play with and/or talk to beginner and intermediate players if they want to make videos like this. Players who have been pushing +25 and higher for multiple seasons/expansions will develop a skewed idea of what a "beginner" is, what skills they have, what they need and how to best help them. It's rough out there, new players deserve the best information we can give to help them succeed.
Ever hear a speaker or headphones that has a slight wiring issue and is has that scratchy/vibration sound to it? Ya, this guys voice. Love the videos and info but omg. If its on purpose, please stop.
Lol bm hunter has easy rotation but everything else are specific at high key. Ppl only see the easy part of the class but not the harder part. Not saying it’s hard but it’s not as easy as it allow a beginner to keep trolling to high key. So please stop intro noobs to our community XD we have enough bad names
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I think the biggest trap with tier lists is that they don't disclaim that below +25s they don't matter. People in their weekly 18s will pass up on warriors, DKs, resto/ele shamans, brewmaster monks, etc. because some streamer put them in B tier. It's such a shame.
just a matter of barely timing it, +2 but with frustration, or almost fell asleep after timing it with +3
Agreed
It’s not because of a streamer put it in a tier. Mythic stats tracks weekly dungeons of every class and you can see which does what dps on a scale and also you can see which champs push more than others. It literally shows how high you can get with a class.
Ok but this is about what classes are easier lol
Single hardest thing to deal with as a Warrior is the group finder. Some weeks have affixes that prevent brining a Warrior, other weeks have affixes that Warriors can't help with.
Which affixes? (Just a returning player that doesn’t know shit)
Yup so true man :-(
@@davidpeat184 Warrior can do nothing to afflicted and can't properly deal with incorporeal. Also can't really deal with sanguine in any way.
They used to not be able to help with bursting either, but they can now, and they are one of the few classes that can help with storming, but at a cost.
Learn to tank
@@sihi5634 Ultimate Chad answer. Love it!
I think an important part about making specs easier is a few talent changes that lower the complexity for a lot of specs. For example shamans dropping cloudburst for healing stream or boomys using fury of elune instead of full moon. Both of these are considered worse than the alternative but the easier playstyle let’s a worse player perform better and afaik most to all classes will have some sort of option for this
Why does everyone get offended when videos say their spec is easy, it’s a game, chill out, people’s egos are so fragile. I sometimes play BM and love it, sometimes it’s fun to just face roll
I have been playing my BM mainly in 10.2 and hit 3k recently and its rotation is easy and there’s nothing wrong with that. Not sure why people care if their spec is easy or hard. As long as you do damage and the mechanics right who cares in the end? Just play what ya like is what I go with.
It’s because us day one vanilla raiders, you know people that actually know their class and have all their gear enchanted and gemmed. Blizzard has just handed gear to people that do nothing, alts with the Lego or people that play a few times a week getting it. Tired of this shit.
@@jhonwayne1003 what on earth are you on about? You’re saying you get offended when people call your spec easy because blizzard gives alts a legendary weapon?
@@sihi5634 I’m not offended, I’m sick of blizzard catering to casual ass players that don’t know their class and really don’t play. Rewarding casuals for absolutely nothing. You must be a casual
@@jhonwayne1003 why did you respond to my post though? It has nothing to do with what you’re talking about, you might know you’re spec but you don’t understand UA-cam apparently, or conversations.
Kind regards, casual player.
Thanks, I am the epitome of a "hardcore casual", I play a lot of games, for a lot of hours, but never really reach high tiers or min/max anything. I just play for fun, so this guide is perfect.
As a healer main and a tank alt I would argue that learning tank is harder but once you have learned how to it becomes much easier than healing. So I guess from a total beginner stand point tank is harder.
Same and agree. Tanks need to learn the routes and PUGS don't have patience lol.
And what level of key you tanked that it was easier for tanking than healing? Sub 20 xD?
@@saeedatenziIronically this video is for beginner players so the "what key level" stuff is completely irrelevant to the point of the video or the comment. I would say anything under like +16s is more toward the beginner side of things. Personally because I have a very limited amount of game time these days I focus on my healer and just mess around on alts so tanking and dps this season I'm nice and low and healing I'm around the +24 mark.
It's hard to say, because it's hard to define what a "total beginner" is.
If a new player doesn't have mouseover casting enabled and/or is a "clicker" then healing is probably much harder.
Beyond that basic level, tanking is probably more frustrating, particularly mid season when even people putsing around in a +2-6 will have some idea of how things "should" be done.
If a player has some sort of help (guild, videos) or knows to google a route before going into a dungeon, I'd say healing is definitely harder. Low key players will make a ton of mistakes (many more than they even recognize) and that will make it difficult to keep them healthy while learning. It can be a very frustrating experience, particularly when the healer is most likely to be blamed when people start dying. That's not a cool environment to be in for a new player, who probably isn't even sure when a death if their fault or not.
@@Mooseplatoon Aye I would pretty much agree with everything you've said here tbh. At the end of the day difficulty of a role will be largely subjective to the person.
the main thing stopping me from starting retail again is the insane amount of abilities, 24 abilities should be a cap imo, now I have to get used to having 12 or 24 more keybinds on top of that.
I really hope they fix this with the next expansion
Just use GSE
@old-school3805 button bloat is luckily not an issue anymore, 3k io and climbing atm
One of the only videos you've made that is actually helpful for more than just the top % of players.
I agree with ret Paladin. Been playing since the rework, very fun to play but super repetitive after a few dungeons.
Then you would not like Fury warrior or Arms warrior.
Warrior is beginner friendly, but not queue friendly 😂. Be ready to start to hate these +25 rankings that everybody use for +5
I love that shaman just catches strays when talking about having a brez it’s automatically assumed you’re picking up a shaman with it 🤣
healer depents hart on the grp. Tank is a point bec of you are the lead next to pull count, route, surv may dmg rota and then target etc.
not a fan of high apm specs, they force to spend a lot of attention on binds, are tiring to play and are harmful for health in a long term
what are the lowest apm classes?
@@derion917 check simulationcraft for single, but some are more active in aoe, complexity of rotation matters as well, ret seems fine for me, arcane mage and marksman for ranged
I think Devoker is wayyyy easier to play than Boomkin. And a major downside of Boomkin is that your damage feels abysmal at lower keys.
@7:37 You're gonna give J.B an aneurysm my guys.
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Don’t listen to this video. The easiest are brewmaster and warrior for tanks, ferals, enhs, and rogues for melee, mages for range, and discipline priest for healer. Don’t thank me (you never will, though).
Hi! Can you justify why?
@@derion917 it was an ironic comment that actually listed the hardest specs to play and master, at least at the time it was posted.
@@Veelaru I see. In that case, please tell me the easiest ones.
@@derion917 frost dh and ret pala for melee, bm hunter for ranged in general. For casters, I think you may try destro lock or balance druid. For tanks - bear. For healers - holy priest or resto druid.
@@Veelaru thank you!
I have also noticed that warlock feels tankier then some other ranged classes but I was wondering if someone can tell me why that is. Also I play marksman hunter alt and it seems super easy but everywhere it says bm is easier I was wondering how so cause mm it’s just if 1 is up push 1 if not then 2 if not then 3 and that’s basically the whole rotation.
Warlock has some Talents, that makes him tankier, like soul link 10% of the damage the warlock takes, is taken by his pet instead (100k damage incoming > warlock takes 90k the other 10k the pet takes because of soullink),or a passive absorb shield that ramps up or the healthstone on him is more effective then on his groupmembers....also he has Talents that gives him more Stamina, all in all its because of the passive Talents and the giga health. 485gs warlock with Stamina buff from a priest, is around 950k hp
Warlock is slower so it’s tankier to make up for that
Suggesting Prot warrior is a pretty bad take. VDH is much easier than warrior to play and is much better as well.
Agreed. Prot warrior has a lot of abilities that are highly situational. VDH's toolkit is quite universal and the rotation is very simple.
Evrryone say brewmaster is hard, but with my brew it was the first tine i got to m+20 in my life, and I am pretty casual. With certain talents you kill a lot of buttons and its not hard at all.
It is because they do not follow their own criteras when making these videos they have preconceived notions of what they want to put there and ignore their own criteras.
@@havtor007 yeah, its like they just follow whats the average opinions in forums. HPally is way more button bloated than Brew for example.
ive raided for CE as every tank and brew right now is the hardest by far
@bengixd But is it harder at the start? Remember the question here is for new players.
@@havtor007 depends where you start from. If you are brand new to the game and decide to pick brewmaster, it's going to take 5x the amount of hours for someone to master it over any other tank. obviously depends who you are, if you are a quick learner the faster you are able to master it
ngl the hardest part of playing a healer is the ridiculous amount of abilities to keybind.
Basically every class tbh. I play frost mage which is considered one of the easiest class and I counted 40 buttons on my action bar, 35 of which need to be keybound.
@@zaydmalik387bm 5-6 buttons xD
Bears not hard but it’s harder than you think especially without the raid tank trinket. You actually have to plan out your defensives on top of healing, stunning, grouping caster mobs by stunning them and moving the pack around to distant mobs that won’t move. While being pretty slow.
I disagree with the prot warrior. I play all the tanks and on low keys with other beginners prot war is amongst the hardest tanks imo. Nobody kicks and the healers barely heal, so your survivability is pretty much all on your own. Prot war handles unkicked spells and not dispelled debuffs pretty bad and the self healing is the worst of all tanks. If you are bad at shield block uptime you get slapped pretty hard. Pala and VDH have great control and self healing to help with kicks and debuffs, bdk rotation is very easy and the hard part of bdk doesn't really matter in low keys (avoid oneshots) so these 3 tanks are more beginner friendly imo.
Prot warrior until +20 you either take zero damage or you need to press buttons.
Shield block has almost 100% uptime from kinda low ilvl.
I doubt you have played prot paladin though considering what you said is just not true with lower gear.
(also on the self healing part prot warrior does more self healing then prot paladin fyi)
What rotation addons are those? Doesn't look like Hekilli or Hero
If your talking about the thing under the health bar on the hunter game play thats just showing the buttons he's pressing, details has one built in but there's a few out there that do the same thing not sure exactly which one is being used there tho
Btw y bm is the easiest starter class but to be the top 1% is with all roles hard😉 and btw i play a friend hes bm to and new hes rond about 340 me that startet wow and i was 420 had 20% dps more + playing the mechanics and affixes axactly that is the diffrence
so basically every class and spec that is considered the weakest in each category for high keys
It'd be hilarious if their first class on the list was enhancement
Love it as always!
Anyone know the name of the ui used by the blm hunter ?
Can you do the same with pvp plsss???????
Does this +500 rating guarantee apply to someone who already has 3k, guarenteeing 3.5k?
Didn’t now that ezreal plays wow 😂😂
sorry for negative comment, but i do not like to watch 14 minutes video to get simple information (9 BEST & EASIEST CLASSES for BEGINNERS in MYTHIC+). It could be showed on a picture. At least at the start or the end of the video...
Bm hunter and ret paladin are on easy list , maybe destro too. I have 484 frost mage and 483 demonlogy lock 2800+ ratin both and demonlogy is much easier. Basicly mage have double the keybinds and trouble for same outcome, except demonlogy do more dmg. But i love both specs, demonlogy is just higher apm but smoothet spec dmg and survivlibility wise.
try playing hunter above 28 key
@@shockshow9823 many specs get 1 shot there without externals. its a mix of really annoying dungeons and even more annoying tyrannical bosses that can last up to 8mins. i'm personally done with this season.
@@shockshow9823 How are 28 keys relevant to the topic at hand?
@@Sly_404 playing fire mage for example is way easier at high end compered to hunter, yes hunter has easy movement and rotatiom but he has to sacriface alot more to survive, mage has like 4 best def cd in the game and doesnt have to be scare of death on high keys
How do you do that? Frost mage is on the same level of difficulty as BM hunter until +21s.
Also that is plain wrong with the amount of buttons between demo and Frost mage.
Also Fire mage has less buttons to press then Frost mage what makes Fire harder to play is the buffs where you need to press things not the rotation itself.
hej brácho ty si uplně mimo bro
Please, stop encouraging new/inexperienced players to pick up Balance Druid. They are straight up one of the worst specs in the game in low keys.
A boomie who doesn't know what they're doing will deal tank dps and spend half of the key dead because they're made of tissue paper.
Balance Druids don't start to come online until the mid teens (when mobs live long enough for them to flex their muscles) and can't survive repeated mistakes without active defensive usage (something new/low key players WILL NOT DO). That does not make for a beginner friendly experience, especially once you start getting flamed.
I think the rest of this video is fundamentally solid, but content creators need to play with and/or talk to beginner and intermediate players if they want to make videos like this. Players who have been pushing +25 and higher for multiple seasons/expansions will develop a skewed idea of what a "beginner" is, what skills they have, what they need and how to best help them. It's rough out there, new players deserve the best information we can give to help them succeed.
Yeah I was looking through the comments for exactly this after watching. Recommending balance druid to a beginner is just TERRIBLE advice.
lol what is easyiest class for a 5 year old?
For all 9 people who started playing wow this year..
Everyone is playing Ret, acting like it was their first ever main.. cringe
Ever hear a speaker or headphones that has a slight wiring issue and is has that scratchy/vibration sound to it? Ya, this guys voice. Love the videos and info but omg. If its on purpose, please stop.
Mage hard? Rofl
Lol bm hunter has easy rotation but everything else are specific at high key. Ppl only see the easy part of the class but not the harder part. Not saying it’s hard but it’s not as easy as it allow a beginner to keep trolling to high key. So please stop intro noobs to our community XD we have enough bad names