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  • @IIseasquareII
    @IIseasquareII 3 роки тому +29

    Keep these Battlytics videos up, man! This is seriously the best presented and most well executed gameplay analysis I've seen for any tabletop wargame. Seriously underrated content.

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks 🙂 much appreciated!!

    • @jessemarcus
      @jessemarcus 3 роки тому +1

      @@DeathfromAboveWargaming In their particular fields (is vs is and clan vs clan) which is better in what it does....the Cauldron Born or the Bushwacker?

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  3 роки тому +1

      Good question. The CB has more punch with the mighty gauss but also costs quite a bit more… the machine guns are wasted space on the BW, but the AC10/erllas is a nice tandem!
      Hard to say…

  • @jimbelaco4
    @jimbelaco4 2 роки тому +6

    The mythology is that there was a magic cauldron which the Irish possessed, and you could steep a slain warrior in it, which would return the dead to life so that they could fight again.
    The Chronicles of Prydain, by Alexander Lloyd, was a fantasy series based on Welsh mythology that depicted the idea really well and gave rise to the notion of the Cauldron Born as immortal.

    • @richmcgee434
      @richmcgee434 2 роки тому +2

      Those same books were the basis for the old Disney film the Black Cauldron, which is still a pretty good watch even 37 years after its release. Not a wholly faithful adaptation and takes some liberties with the original myths, but worth a look if you wanted to familiarize yourself with the basics of the legend. There are several gaming companies that offer 28mm cauldron-born minis for various fantasy or RPG uses - notably Alternative Armies and Brigade Models.

    • @jimbelaco4
      @jimbelaco4 2 роки тому +1

      @@richmcgee434 Totally underrated film.

    • @richmcgee434
      @richmcgee434 2 роки тому +1

      @@jimbelaco4 Well, not by me, but I get the drift. Like most fantasy films I kind of ruined it for myself by reading the books first, but as an adaptation goes it's pretty good and holds up very well on its own.
      I didn't walk out of it regretting how much was left out the way I did with Princess Bride - which is still a good film but man, people who haven't read the book are shorting themselves.

    • @jimbelaco4
      @jimbelaco4 2 роки тому +2

      @@richmcgee434 I feel you entirely. "That was good, but man, you need to read the book" is real energy.

  • @jasonduncan2814
    @jasonduncan2814 3 роки тому +11

    I'm one of those guys who always calls Clan 'mechs by their proper Clan names...but "Cauldron Born" is so much cooler sounding that "Ebon Jaguar".
    Anyway, I'm a big fan of the A and B configurations. The A has ER larges to fence with ranged foes and the good old UAC/20 beatstick for in-fighting. The B is like a poor man's Warhawk C. It can't afford to alpha strike, but it has a gun combination for every range band and hit number. The newer configuration G from the ilClan guides is also a lot of fun. It is a no-nonsense machine with two big slap-your-face guns and no need to say sorry afterward.
    Keep up the videos! The Battlytics series is awesome.

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  3 роки тому +1

      Have not looked closely at the G but will check it out! Thanks for watching 🙂

    • @BlitkriegsAndCoffee
      @BlitkriegsAndCoffee 3 роки тому +4

      I find its sort of a mix about which name is better. Fenris sounds a hell of a lot more intimidating than Ice Ferret for example and fits the units role as a hunter better. Whereas I prefer Fire Moth to Dasher and find things like the Dire Wolf/Daishi to be a wash.

    • @jasonduncan2814
      @jasonduncan2814 3 роки тому +3

      @@BlitkriegsAndCoffee I agree about the Fenris/Ice Ferret. The Clan name is certainly more poetic, but a sun-eating wolf-god is going to win out every time. I’m of a similar opinion on the Vulture/Mad Dog. That being said, I saw a dire wolf skull at a museum when I was a little kid and that night I dreamed about being stalked by one. For my own part, that name will always be intimidating!

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  3 роки тому +2

      I am definitely guilty of picking/choosing the name I like better for clan mechs. I just cannot say “Mad Dog” out loud haha

    • @jasonduncan2814
      @jasonduncan2814 3 роки тому +1

      @@DeathfromAboveWargaming I still say “Mad Dog”, I just get quiet and mumble it out like Ash saying the magic words in Army of Darkness ;-)

  • @brianhenry152
    @brianhenry152 3 роки тому +4

    I always thought the Cauldron Born was a really intimidating looking mech. This new sculpt really holds to that look.

  • @uialion1740
    @uialion1740 3 роки тому +4

    Considering that the Cauldronborn is a very squat 'Mech - even according to Sarna it has the Low Profile design quirk - the low leg armour is not unsurprising. And as I recall the reason it was made to 'replace' the Hellbringer was that the older OmniMech still runs Standard armour as opposed to Ferro. The lighter mass of the new armour on the Cauldronborn just allows for more mass allocation to weapons. Yay weight saving technologies!

  • @louiskemner3216
    @louiskemner3216 2 роки тому +2

    I'm partial to the Cauldron-Born E, and I use it all the time in my Clan forces in games (often a company vs a binary). The E variant feels like an improvement over the prime, and has high-tech weapons like the HAG 20 and ATM 12. That ATM means the Cauldron-Born can do some damage from afar, then do a LOT of damage up close, as opposed to an SRM 2! And the large pulse and HAG 20 have pretty good range on par with any LRM launcher. Plus it retains an ER medium laser just because. Great variant, and it puts most of the others to shame.
    All that said, though, I also like the D variant.

  • @jasonames145
    @jasonames145 3 роки тому +4

    Congrats you got to 5K !

  • @shaneflickinger
    @shaneflickinger 3 роки тому +3

    This is another clan mech that I've never really paid that much attention to because I thought it was weird looking. It always looked too squat to be that fast to me, but battlelytics is proving me wrong once again! The B configuration looks interesting to me, definitely a lot of pew pew. Thanks Aaron!

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  3 роки тому

      You got it! Love giving you some fresh ideas 😆 hope it serves you well on the table top!

  • @thinecunninglinguist9195
    @thinecunninglinguist9195 2 роки тому +1

    Coming from the battletech/roguetech video game, I adore the Ebon Jag. A build with a UAC/20 and some ER MLas (basically config A) lasted me into late game and I cored many assault mechs with it. I am looking forward to running it on the table, even if UAC rules aren't super devastating. Some of the official clan designs suffer from eclectic mixes of weaponry or lack of design focus.

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  2 роки тому +2

      Agree on that last point! It’s too bad it doesn’t always translate in the table top.

  • @mathewkelly9968
    @mathewkelly9968 2 роки тому +1

    The lb-x ammo in the arm saves this mech from the expected ammo deaths ....... lucky clanners being able to have CASE anywhere

  • @sharlin648
    @sharlin648 3 роки тому +3

    I've always liked the Cauldron, but for gods sake, remove the SRM-2, add an ER Small and Artemis for the LRM instead of that bomb of missiles! Great video, really good stuff, superbly researched as always!

  • @wanttobeprivate7466
    @wanttobeprivate7466 3 роки тому +2

    One thing I'd like to see on Battlytics would be a "How much armor do you *really* need there?" episode or maybe mini series. I see lots of mechs score varying levels of death/death spiral to headshot or CT, motive hits, engine crits, etc. I know they go up against the beefy 10 damage chunks from the Awesome's PPC, but maybe some tests could be run against alternate weapons like AC2/5/10/20, LRM's, SRM's, lasers etc as a stand alone. One theory I've been kicking around is that it's likely statistically irrelevant to have 9 points of armor on the head, 8 would likely do in almost every case because even a PPC/AC10/Clan ER Large only does 10, and a cockpit with 8 armor + 3 structure would survive, and most incidental damage that would turn that into a kill would also do so for a 9 armor + 3 structure cockpit, for instance a stray SRM2 or Machine gun or AC2 hit. I can't think of many 1 point hits outside of LRMs with abysmal clustering or LB Autocannons using cluster rounds. Maybe HAGs but I have never played with them. Is it worth it to drop that one point of head armor to up armor the CT? Just one hypothetical such an episode could answer (potentially).

  • @kenkrajniak7916
    @kenkrajniak7916 3 роки тому +1

    Love the Cauldron Born, one of my favorite ‘Mechs.

  • @Abb0able
    @Abb0able 3 роки тому +2

    I liked the mw4 model allot more then all the other tabletop and lore depictions i've seen

  • @Sigmar_Heldenhammer
    @Sigmar_Heldenhammer 2 роки тому +1

    The ebon jaguar is one of my favorite mechs, first mech I bought in MWO, although I can't stand the guass rifle, rolling with a ppc, two u-ac 5s, an lrm 10 and srm10.
    Decent brawler and skirmisher.

  • @matthewbirdsall9518
    @matthewbirdsall9518 3 роки тому +1

    Just finished that Cauldron-Borne in Smoke Jaguar Alpha Galaxy colors. Looks like I should do a few more?!?! Great work and useful insight.

  • @lesjames2478
    @lesjames2478 3 роки тому +3

    I really like the battlytics videos. I think it would be interesting to use the alpha strike battlytics engine you worked on and determine what role ithe unit you are analyzing is best suited for in Alpha Striike as a part of future videos.

  • @subtlewhatssubtle
    @subtlewhatssubtle 3 роки тому +3

    My theory is that the SRM-2 on the Prime was meant to be for inferno loads before they remembered who was going to be using this Mech.

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  3 роки тому

      Hahah definitely possible 😆

    • @richmcgee434
      @richmcgee434 2 роки тому +2

      Heh. SRM-2 mounts might as well be officially re-named to "Inferno launchers" at this point. :)

  • @basecoat1966
    @basecoat1966 3 роки тому +3

    Cauldron Born: What results from giving the BushWacker a dose of FEV from Fallout.

  • @TheArtofFencing
    @TheArtofFencing 3 роки тому +2

    I would really like to see the gauss distribution based on weight class. It seems like the efficiency score favores heavier mechs and it would be great to see. Maybe do a video comparing different curves of different roles. Is the standard deviation on clan or is higher? Is the mean of the distribution on lights always lower than assaults? That would a cool thing to see!

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  3 роки тому

      Email me if you want to run this analysis! I can pull the raw data!
      I do think the efficiency being better on heavier mechs speaks to what I call the overweighting of speed in the BV calc. It is very evident in clan mechs… so lights natively get penalized more because they fit even less.

  • @Zeeke01
    @Zeeke01 3 роки тому +1

    Imho the Ebon Jaguar/Cauldron Born is definitely a good workhorse of a mech, it is a solid frontline mech that can get within arm's reach, smack the crap outta enemies, then either retreat or take the punishment.

  • @Actalzy
    @Actalzy 3 роки тому +4

    The Prime makes me twitch a bit because it is so all over the place. It feels like someone ran through a warehouse of weapons and pulled out whatever was in stock from each category of weapons.

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  3 роки тому +2

      Yah some of the loadouts are very “fluff” or narrative driven, but leave a lot to be desired in the game. SRM-2s in general should be found on elementals and tiny hovercraft only 😁

    • @jogro9769
      @jogro9769 3 роки тому

      @@DeathfromAboveWargaming honostly srm 2 on mechs is more of special ammo thing.

  • @plasmaboy7916
    @plasmaboy7916 3 роки тому +2

    better than i thought. team it up with a pair of Black Lanners and a pair of Thors

  • @NonApplicable1983
    @NonApplicable1983 Рік тому +1

    I like Infernos in that SRM-2.

  • @madcat3525
    @madcat3525 3 роки тому +2

    Great video! Enjoy watching DFA videos. Is it possible for you,Kevin, and Thom to do a video on how you think Wave 2 will impact the game. Thanks for all the hard work.

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  3 роки тому

      Thanks for watching - maybe we can hit on it in the unboxing. Whenever that happens 😁

    • @madcat3525
      @madcat3525 3 роки тому +1

      I like to see what mechs you loooking forward to playing and painting,maybe even if you put decals on them.
      @@DeathfromAboveWargaming

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  3 роки тому

      All of them lol

  • @Funkin_Disher
    @Funkin_Disher 3 роки тому +4

    10:20 yeah didnt it earn its IS name specifically because of how difficult it was to put down? Cauldron-born is about as close as you get to literally calling it a zombie mech.

  • @_Dogberry_
    @_Dogberry_ 3 роки тому +5

    Question: I’m just a guy looking to get into battle tech tabletop and I know I wanna go clans, unfortunately missed the wave one release: is this wave two going out to stores or just kickstart backers? Thanks guys.
    Update! Called another location store that I thought didn’t have the box, THEY DID! Clan Smoke Jaguar Alpha Galaxy is coming to rumble! Now to figure out to actually play the tabletop game….

    • @vandalnoire3844
      @vandalnoire3844 3 роки тому +6

      So in theory everything from the Clan invasion KS will be available in ur local game stores....someday...probably after the Ape uprising where you no longer spank the moneky....but the monkey spanks you. One place you can keep an eye out to order them tho is Ares Games and miniatures and remember to treat your primate brothers well...for the uprising is coming.

    • @lesjames2478
      @lesjames2478 3 роки тому +4

      all the force packs from the KS will eventually be released for general retail. Fear not, it is just a matter of time before restocks'resupply hits and just a matter of time before everything is available for normal purchase.

    • @Faceless_One
      @Faceless_One 3 роки тому +5

      Both,but Bakers of the Kickstarter get there Stuff earlier. When Wave 2 hits the Store is unkown to me . But (depending where you life) you could buy the Wave 1 Clan Packs right now.

    • @madcat3525
      @madcat3525 3 роки тому +2

      you might want to check different stores out for preordering.

    • @_Dogberry_
      @_Dogberry_ 3 роки тому +1

      @@Faceless_One I’m in NE Ohio

  • @kathilmechworks4895
    @kathilmechworks4895 3 роки тому +3

    Pick another favorite. My clan RP characters mech. I never use the prime, but use the A a ton. One of the only mechs to truly use the U-AC 20 well. Sit it out at long rage with the EL LL's then when they get too close run in and use the big punch. Not much lasts against it.

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  3 роки тому

      Indeed the UAC/20 is monstrous!

    • @kathilmechworks4895
      @kathilmechworks4895 3 роки тому +1

      @@DeathfromAboveWargaming Feels good to get that double tap but you have to be patient. This is not a line breaker. Find a nice spot to protect the legs and snipe with the ER LLs. Let them get close the pounce on the target with the uac. Jaguars claws indeed

  • @androssthered1157
    @androssthered1157 3 роки тому +1

    The only mech I wish Catalyst did that wasn't made is the Arctic Wolf. What a monster...I may have to go to one of the other sites for that mech. If they have it.

  • @WolfHreda
    @WolfHreda 7 місяців тому

    There are only two Clan 'mechs whose IS names I 100% prefer over their actual Clan names. The Cauldron-Born is one of them, and I can never remember the other until I hear it.

  • @steveguziec8050
    @steveguziec8050 3 роки тому +1

    I never gave this mech a second thought because I always associate it with the Smoke Jaguars.... and who really likes the Jags.... lol
    However, after watching this and seeing all clans have access to it I do not hate it, as much, now. lol

  • @richmcgee434
    @richmcgee434 2 роки тому

    Don't really care for the prime config but there are some good variants - which is pretty much a given with an omni, there's bound to be something useful you can do with any given chassis. Aesthetically, this might be the most "looks one of Reaper's CAV models" in the game, although it certainly has competitors for that.

  • @mr.gunzaku437
    @mr.gunzaku437 3 роки тому +1

    The Prime is over-sinked and dropping the LB-5X for an ERPPC/ERLL or LPL is a much better idea. Add a TC and some armor.

    • @ChristopherJohnson-np4dv
      @ChristopherJohnson-np4dv 2 роки тому

      What you're looking for is Cauldron-Born F configuration (from the Rec Guide series); 2 ERPPC, 2 ATM 6's with three tons of ammo (one for each type), a targeting computer and five extra heat sinks so it can run and fire both PPCs and one of the ATMs at neutral heat or both ATMs for +4 heat (allowing different firing patterns for the missiles based on opportunity without ever getting over +4 heat).
      Analysis on the Battletech forums has called it "near perfection in Mech Form." Super accurate PPCs to rip off armor and force PSRs at any range, ATMs to crit seek (or push a single 15 point PPC hit into PSR range).

  • @dannyevilcat
    @dannyevilcat 3 роки тому +2

    My favorite mech!

  • @stormcrow28
    @stormcrow28 3 роки тому +2

    Ah, the Smoke Jaguar's replacement for the Loki. The Cauldron Born is a nice Omni, though a couple of the configs are a bit wonky.

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  3 роки тому

      Haha I feel like that is true for a lot of clan mechs!

    • @stormcrow28
      @stormcrow28 3 роки тому +1

      @@DeathfromAboveWargaming I think it also comes from the earlier TROs. 3050 was a pretty mixed bag for units, and FASA was conservative on the first 16 Clan Omnis except for the units at the end of the weight classes (Puma, Ryoken, Mad Cat, Daishi.) Later designs, variants and new Ommi configs didn't suffer as much from that conservatism, which is why you have such huge swings in performance between Mechs.

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  3 роки тому

      You are a vault of knowledge my friend!!

    • @stormcrow28
      @stormcrow28 3 роки тому +1

      @@DeathfromAboveWargaming I'm a vault of something, anyway.

  • @lukedudley5030
    @lukedudley5030 3 роки тому +3

    The name comes from ancient celtic mythology and is a magical cauldron that can feed all but will produce zombies to help in battle when need (if filled with blood if I'm correct)...great mech n great informative vid :-)

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  3 роки тому +2

      Ooo love it! And obviously has to be filled with blood. I would want it no other way. Hahaha

    • @Piterdeveirs333
      @Piterdeveirs333 3 роки тому +4

      You may be thinking of another celtic cauldron myth. Cauldron born were the literal corpses of fallen Irish soldiers who were brought back to life so they can keep fighting Bran the Blessed. One of Brans men disguises himself as an Irish corpse so he could destroy the cauldron

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  3 роки тому +1

      Also seems like a reasonable story.

    • @Piterdeveirs333
      @Piterdeveirs333 3 роки тому +1

      @@DeathfromAboveWargaming Irish myths are weird man

  • @Jfund12
    @Jfund12 Рік тому +1

    I think the C variant turns it into a Fire Support mech.

  • @androssthered1157
    @androssthered1157 3 роки тому +1

    Yaaaaassssss one that I actually have! Hopefully we will see it in a video crushing some freebirth scum.

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  3 роки тому +2

      As soon as I can get one in my hands and painted 😁

    • @androssthered1157
      @androssthered1157 3 роки тому +2

      @@DeathfromAboveWargaming loving the kickstarter mechs. Keep up the great work guys.

  • @KeystoneCarcajou
    @KeystoneCarcajou 3 роки тому +1

    Last time I faced one of these....I scrapped its gyro. though he was facing down a Royal Crockett and two Royal Thunderbolts.

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  3 роки тому

      The majority of those royal variants are no joke!

    • @KeystoneCarcajou
      @KeystoneCarcajou 3 роки тому +1

      @@DeathfromAboveWargaming Yeah.....The Stalker makes absolutely no sense, but the Thunderbolts, Warhammer, Catapult, Black Knight and Hussar are solid.

  • @sharlin648
    @sharlin648 3 роки тому +3

    Please please do the Kingfisher next, I also have a theory, the fluff for this mech goes on about how tough it is. Yet it tends to be packed with explodium and has a (Clan) XL engine. The Kingfisher's fluff does not mention how bonkers tough it is and the name seems odd for its looks/role. Could it be that they made a mistake and got the names/fluff mixed up?

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  3 роки тому

      I will get it on the list! Lots of great wave 2 options!

    • @Boseeinsteinshake
      @Boseeinsteinshake 3 роки тому +2

      I might be mistaken, but wasn't the Kingfisher outfitted with a standard egine? I remember it having a very low pod space for a Clan Omni of its tonnage.

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  3 роки тому

      You might be right! I’d have to check sarna/the TROs.

    • @sharlin648
      @sharlin648 3 роки тому +1

      @@Boseeinsteinshake Correct :) The Kingfisher's a real zombie, standard engine, but uses Endo and Ferro which cuts down on space, but they almost always have a weapon in their chest, one has a large pulse, another variant has a bloody ER PPC :p so unless you core it or rip a leg off, it will always be able to shoot.

  • @fistofthetiger1591
    @fistofthetiger1591 Рік тому +1

    They need to bring back Blaine Lee Pardoe. He's the *Whole Reason* we have any of this new resurgence in Battletech.
    As for the CB, it's way better than the Hellbringer, but that armor is terrible. For some reason I see a Warhammer build but with LPL, MPL, no SPL, sorry, it stinks. Then a SSRM6 and lots of DHS.

  • @death2all79zx
    @death2all79zx 3 роки тому +3

    Ebon Jaguar! LOL

  • @kevincollier4147
    @kevincollier4147 3 роки тому +1

    With all the heat sinks this thing has, replace the LBX5 with a PPC and medium lasers

  • @stevenhernandeznon-profitf968
    @stevenhernandeznon-profitf968 3 роки тому

    Yes!

  • @shellbackbeau7021
    @shellbackbeau7021 3 роки тому

    I wish the boxsets were available

  • @everyonethinksyoureadeathm5773
    @everyonethinksyoureadeathm5773 3 роки тому +1

    Ebon Prime. that SRM 2 with its ammo is a waste.
    Strip it, add the armor and whatever left to ammo for the Gauss and LBX.

  • @mathewkelly9968
    @mathewkelly9968 2 роки тому +1

    These Clan mechs and pilots are scary until you look at the BV imho

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  2 роки тому +1

      10,000% agree. From a lore perspective where it was 5v8 … yah they are scary. But a BV balanced 5v8 leaves the clans at a massive disadvantage. 🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @mathewkelly9968
      @mathewkelly9968 2 роки тому

      @@DeathfromAboveWargaming my first game with my new minis at 15000 TV was my 9 mechs vs 4 omnimechs was almost too easy . But my opponent loves his clanners

    • @mathewkelly9968
      @mathewkelly9968 2 роки тому +1

      @@DeathfromAboveWargaming a Victor , Marauder , Archer , Rifleman , Wolverine , Phoenix Hawk , Valkyrie , Raven and an Urban Mech he lent me to use Vs a Daishi , Timber Wolf , Thor and some later clan medium i dont remember the name of . The Rifleman died , the Victor was on the ground with a hip and gyro critical , the phoenix hawk was sans an arm and the Wolverine and Marauder where a few shots off being in major trouble the rest minor damage or untouched Vs 4 very dead clanners .

    • @DeathfromAboveWargaming
      @DeathfromAboveWargaming  2 роки тому +1

      It is unfortunately similar to a lot of my experience (and also battle reports). A little extra range and speed only gets you so far. A good tactical player can really make great use of greater numbers, especially when the clan mechs are way overpriced to begin with.

    • @mathewkelly9968
      @mathewkelly9968 2 роки тому +1

      @@DeathfromAboveWargaming im thinking some the less fancy 2nd line clan mechs is actually the way to go with clans if you want to win

  • @Funkin_Disher
    @Funkin_Disher 3 роки тому

    Oversinked and that terrible srm2, but otherwise a very solid mech

  • @jessemarcus
    @jessemarcus 3 роки тому +1

    God its original art was soooooo horrible