Powering your projects using USB-C Power Delivery
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2024
- Let's take a look at several different options for powering your project using USB-C Power Delivery, ranging from ready made solutions to ICs you might include on your PCB. USB-C Power Delivery (PD) is a standard that supports up to 100W of power.
00:00 - Intro
00:22 - What is Power Delivery
02:57 - PD integrated Cables
04:32 - IP2721
07:43 - FUSB302
11:34 - STUSB4500
17:18 - Cypress EZ-PD BCR
19:54 - Sign-Off
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A piece of footage ended up on the editing room floor incorrectly! The IP2721 will accept the highest voltage the PSU offers that is less than or equal to what is requested
E.g. if it's configured for 20V, but the chargers max is 12V, it will take 12V
Can someone please tell me if this chord (USB 3.1 Type C USB-C to DC 5.5 2.5mm Power Plug Extension Charge Cable ) can be used to take power from an Anker battery bank and deliver power to the Atomos Ninja V which has a DC connector for powering it from the wall. Essentially I am trying to understand if a chord which is used to deliver power from a DC source to USB-C can be utilized to deliver power from USB-C to DC. Can power flow either way in this case? Thank you.
Hi
The IP2721 will charge my 90W laptop from a 12V Battery?
Also The FUSB302 will charge my 90W laptop from a 12V Battery?
@@Xiaoxiaoxiaomao neither turn a power source into a pd source. Search for XY-pds100 for something to do that, although I do not believe it will boost your 12v source
@@BrianLough The FUSB302 chip can actually be used on the source side, but obviously it needs different programming on the microcontroller, plus external circuitry for the power conversion.
Congrats on your instructables article, and thanks for this video. These modules are all new to me!
Just discovered your channel after watching Great Scott on USB-C. Lots of useful info in this video, thank you, subscribed.
Currently trying to migrate as much of my life as possible to USB-C PD!
Huge thank you for the excellent video and detailed explanation of the parts used. Keep up the great work.
Thanks Mike!
Nice in depth video 👍🏻
Proper information about usb-c PD is actually a bit of a search and really scattered over the web. So this was a really nice summary 👍🏻
Thanks p_mouse!
Bless you human, and your nose; I have a need for exactly one of those decoy cables you so helpfully mention.
This is so great, i see many possibilits
Your voice didn't let me leave without subscribing. Great video !!!
I love Brian's monotone, and factual videos. His T's are just the icing on the cake.
@@jamess1787 yep
accurate
Fantastic resource, thanks.
Extremely useful video!
this topic might be worth revisiting.
lots of new options on the market now.
incl ones where you can set the voltage by bridging some pads and i have some
that have a tiny set of dip switches for setting the voltage.
easily broken out to proper switches and with some usb-c connectors and a panel volt meter module you can easily make a small volt selector box.
i don't know if you do tutorial videos or anything like that, but i think it would make a highly satisfying project for beginners.
easy to do and the result is something you might use quite regularly.
and few things are more satisfying then making your own tools...
Great video. Good info!
One (important) thing to mention about the FUSB302 PDS-modules is that if they can' negotiate the set voltage (e.g. 12V) , they sometime take the next higher one (e.g. 15V) but does not show that with the led! This might be killing your project. I never use them in combination with a specific source without measuring first!
BE WARNED
I'll give this a test later, that sounds awful!
Thanks for a very informative video.
Your welcome, I appreciate you letting me know you thought it was useful.
Thanks for this great video. I read that also the cable is involved in the current and voltage negotiation.
Perhaps the STUSB4500 sticks to the specs exactly and the cable wasn't suitable for the 20V/2.4A.
Thanks for the shoutout and great video!
I think you can press and hold the Set button on that FUSB302 PD board to get it to start up in 12V by default.
Creat video and explanation. Thank you!
great video! Thank You alot!!!!
FUSB302 is an overkill for a trigger board. It's meant to be used for implementing a full-featured USB-C port on a general purpose computer, including things like alt mode support.
Excellent bro
One thing to mention, the Apple power supplies that come with laptops can also do USB PD but with a slight difference, it doesn't support all of them (12V & 15V are missing). So if you set your module to request a certain voltage, it might not match what the Apple one can supply. The sink modules ZY12PDS (looks like the FUSB302) supports a "request the highest voltage" mode that I use.
Yes, you can't rely on all chargers supporting all voltage levels, the mac charger is a very good example of that! I think the nintendo switch charger only does 15v as it's max as another example
You're right! I was just testing this out in depth. I have a 2021 M1 MBP 16" that came with a 140W USB-C wall charger, model A2452.
It only offers 140W (at 28V) over the USB-C to MagSafe 3 cable.
Using a regular USB-C cable, the PD options are 20V/15V/9V/5V. All at good amperage. But it skips the 12V level.
So when I use it to charge a powerbank (that I've verified capable of accepting 12V PD input), it charges at 9V instead. The charge wattage is about the same as a 12V PD source, it just uses more current.
What's really surprising is that on the Macbook side, the USB-C ports don't offer PD output!
They are dual role ports (DRP), so they can accept a charge PD input of ~100W, but they only offer 5V/3A output.
You would think that a modern, high powered Macbook Pro would offer the latest and greatest charging options to other devices.
I made a video exploring this stuff, as well as the PD capabilities of one of the DIY 16x18650 Powerbanks found on eBay. The audience on this video may find it interesting: ua-cam.com/video/yiObZhqfVC0/v-deo.html
Great video @BrianLough, thank you!
That's weird that it count output 12 and 15 volts if it can output 20
Dear Brian, thank you for sharing your knowledge with all us! I have a bit of a problem I thought you might help me to solve. Please would you be able to think of a solution for the following: I have a 5v 2.5A LED Light I want to get powered through a Usb C PD battery bank. I tried so many different approaches and the best I can get is the light working pretty stable, but at maximum of 70% brightness. The Power bank is Anker 10k with Usb C PD. Bought a cable that goes from Usb C to Usb A and another cable that goes from Usb A to DC 5.5mm that goes straight to the light. First I thought the battery is not good enough, then after reading a bit I started to feel the cable might have some resistors that are reducing the current which then gets not enough for the light. As an example I connected that same cable set I mentioned to my iPhone 11 Pro PD original charger and the light acts exactly the same as when it is connected to the battery bank. The iPhone charger output is 5v 3amp. This is why started thinking there might be something wrong with the cable. I am lost now! I would really appreciate if you can help me on this! Thank you so much in advance!
What would you recommend for powering leds...I like putting leds in my 3d prints but there's usually no room for batteries
I just found the HUSB238 which also is standalone PD Trigger! Seems like it meant for integrating it into cables, but sadly pretty bad availablilty. Only found one seller on Aliexpress for it
Hi, I am looking to power a mini pc with a rechargeable 19V battery. I was going to go barrel jack but I thought it might be fun to investigate usb c requirements. I am struggling to find something that accepts 19V but plenty for 20V, would those be essentially the same voltage for computers?
Hey man great video. Can you help me with the whole setup of "PD integrated cables. Actually I have a barrel ac adaptor laptop which I want to convert in type c charger. Can you please name ports and cables used by you around 3 min mark??. Thanks🙏
The WITRN cables can be re programmed for whatever voltage.
Hi, I am in a process of replacing the power input for charging the batteries of my prototype from a barrel connector to the IP2721 module. So if you can of course, I would like to ask you to let me know what are the distances between the + and - holes on the output of the module and the distance between them and the edges of the board, if possible also the size of the hole. Thank you very much!
Can this charging board be used instead of a battery when it is charged with enough voltage to provide as a power supply for (example) a solenoid valve that requires 12v?
Hello i would like to know and verify if the cable on 3:01 would still supply 5v to a device instead of 20v if i use a charger that doesnt support 20v and only 5v, 9v and 12v. Would it use 12v or 5v?
i know you mentioned this on the video but im just trying to make sure i understood it right. Thanks in advance!
Is the usb c connector on these modules an input only or can they output as well? Like if I input voltage to the screw terminals will it output voltage from the usb c connector?
I have an idea to charge my elictric scooter with pd
Its charger puts out 41v @1.9A
The conversion should be really easy but im struggling how to make sure i dont pump too much current
And i have never tried it but my guess is the bms could charge at lower amps if i held the voltage just right
Hi Brian, I have a good quality in car inverter, which outputs 20v, I want to use it to power my MacBook Pro through usb c. Would you recommend a cable mod or another option?
nice video once again could you send the link for the modules mentioned
The IP2721 will charge my 90W laptop from a 12V Battery?
Also The FUSB302 will charge my 90W laptop from a 12V Battery?
Do you have a video on how to take a 15V/3A (45W) charger & replace the barrel type plug with a USB-C connector? To charge a chromebook? Thank you
I am trying to get a sense of “power delivery” vs. “a charging cable”?. I am wanting to identify the difference between the two” and how would you be able to match up a cable that charging a flashlight?” Thank you for your video and your possible help.M
Thanks Brian for the great video. Very informative. I have a noobie question, my mini PC has a usb-C port but can only take video, is there a possibility of DIY to make it accept power as well ?
Hi Terry, I don't think that would be possible. Depending on the power input to the Mini PC, you could potentially use one of these devices to power it
What would I search for if I want a PD board that is a little larger with 4 mounting points on? Like a screw hole on all 4 corners? All I can find in PD boards like this are tiny boards with no attachment points on them.
I used the YZ12PDN and found it finicky. It doesn't seem to respond consistently. I can't figure the reason. The blue light starts flashing which means no pd support. Sometimes it works fine.
Brian, is there a way to control the power (on/off) from the power supply to the device being charged? Can I plug this into a smartphone and control the power through the USB-c port? I need to send 12v to an electronic lock to open and close it.
I have seen that plug in UA-cam videos before but holy crap I didn't really realize how huge it is compared to the North American plug.
Can someone please tell me if this chord (USB 3.1 Type C USB-C to DC 5.5 2.5mm Power Plug Extension Charge Cable ) can be used to take power from an Anker battery bank and deliver power to the Atomos Ninja V which has a DC connector for powering it from the wall. Essentially I am trying to understand if a chord which is used to deliver power from a DC source to USB-C can be utilized to deliver power from USB-C to DC. Can power flow either way in this case? Thank you.
Dumb question. Can I use the Male PD Cable Adapter for powering a 12v enclosure (2-3A), from a usb pd type c input from a motherboard? The MOBO can provide 5A
I have issues in charging my Vacuum cleaner with USB C, I have some more things to try out but it does not like that the PD does +50 watts, the charger is made to 33 Watts so although it begins fine with the charging it begins to fly into the heavens with the Effect 50-105 watts or so and then the robot stops and scream error. I have 20 Volts PD which is very close to the initial 22,5 Volts and it does seem to work, but the blasted release of watts is just no go for it.
Hi Brian, I’m trying to design a custom charging system for my DIY electric longboard with USB PD (and a step up converter), however in order to future-proof my setup, I want to try to make my system compatible with the new 240W PD standard (and be able to request the highest voltage above 12V). Do you of or know how I could search for similar boards to the ones you highlighted in this video, but compatible with the new standard?
Not that I know anything about longboards but my suggestion would be not to use usb C on it, or any skateboard or scooter.
Charging ports on these devices take a lot of abuse and usb C is too fragile and might break or corrode in humid environments or get clogged up with dirt.
Take a look at XT60 or if you really need more than 60W, you can use XT90 for 90W.
These connectors are a solid choice, most drones (DIY ones at least) use this standard because of its longevity and because it's relatively light.
It will not fail on you, that's for sure, the last thing you need is a fire caused by worn out connector.
Question for anyone knowledgeable on this topic.
I have an HP laptop that has a 4.5 barrel charger and a USB C port that does not allow charging. I'm using a USB C hub that is PD compatible with monitor, keyboard, mouse etc connected to it.
The issue is I have to connect the OEM 4.5mm barrel charger and the USB C hub cable. I'm thinking of building Y splitter that on one side is a female that would connect to the USB C hub and on the other side a male USB C data cable that would connect to the laptop and a 4.5mm barrel connector that would connect to the charge port.
Does this make any sense?
Do you see any issues with this idea?
Would I have to power the data side or I only need the data cables for that one?
Any recommendations?
Hi power meter you use black one some can explan why this ONLY works with quickcharges and not ulefone power 5 get ONLY up to 2.6 amp but say support up to 5.1 amp its also issue with xiomi ultra support up to 100 watt 20 volt 5 amp but is its same AS powerdelivery?
how do you connect a USB-C to a DC power supply can you make a video explaining that?
Hey everyone is there a device that is just like this but can reversed? So like an input output of USB-c port but with this switching voltage.
The part with the fixed Voltage at 4:50 isn't quite correct i have a PD integrated Cable (which goes up to 20V) and my powerbank only supports 15V and the cable doesn't default back to 5V it stays on 15V (measured with multimeter) :D
and my Samsung 25W PD Charging Brick has max 9V which the PD cable fully puts out :)
Anything new on the best option for DC to DC and PD stuff?
Does it charge a 4s Li ion 16.8 Volts battery pack with bms directly?
I plugin ip2721 to pps chager. And it cuts out supply voltage.
Is thisexpected result?
It works perfectly for apple pd chager…
Hi, I want to power a 18 volt bluetooth speaker with a 5 volt charger, is it possible?
So if i want the small IP2721 board at 20V, i need to get it fixed at 20V ? or do i need to change the select pin with an iron? Sorry for the noob question.
Yeah buy the one configured for 20v. I guess it would be possible to modify a 15v one to be a 20v one, but I don't think it would be worth the time
Are there USB-C PD ports that can be used for transferring data?
hey men thank u for make a good video..
can u help me. I wondering to know how to make SSD enclosure, what ic i use for that. and minimum components for build that. can u help me for got some reference for that.
Im sorry if my question is out of topic of your content.
I new nothing about USB-C until now....cheers!
Cheese! 👍🏻
Thanks Andy
I barely scratched the surface of what's involved in power delivery ( the actually protocol, which I still know very little about) but I thought it would be nice reference for people to have some options for powering their projects via usb-c
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I am looking to make a 20V 5A to charge devices via USB Type C
Can I charge 3S BMS li-ion battery pack using this trigger?
I have some issues with different types of this boards. I used them to power my LED Bike light (12V). For some reason the lights starts flashing for maybe 10 seconds when I start the Powerbank, after that it is woking fine. Do you have any idea why this board is not delivering continous power in the first seconds? I tried 3 different boards from aliexpress, 2 with a switch for different output voltage and one with fixed 12V. Do you have any idea?
I'm almost certain the negotiation phase happens at 5v, 10seconds sounds very long though! I can't say I've noticed anything like that before when testing
If I need to negotiate power delivery in the other direction (The Source being something of my own design and the sink being a cell phone) can these devices negotiate to give the cell phone the fastest possible charge.
It will probably be better to find dedicated PD charger/converter board for that.
👍🏻
Does "current negotiation" mean setting the maximum current that the PSU should give?
No, it's not like that. The psu advertises it's max current capability and it's up to the sink(device) to decide if that's enough. The psu will not limit the current at all
With chips supporting usb pd pps you can actually go into a constant current mode where you can first set a desired current, and then the psu tries to keep that current level by constantly adjusting the voltage in a range of 3,3V and around 20V (depending on the capabilities of that psu)
CTP2 DC Quick Charge Adapter. It should recognice power delivery type of your device and adjust settings besed of it.
I couldn't find anything with that name, do you have a link?
@@BrianLough www.aliexpress.com/item/4000315671112.html?spm=a2g0n.orderlist-amp.item.4000315671112&aff_trace_key=&aff_platform=msite&m_page_id=1465amp-le5YltJvKXl_ezxt1WXVlA1600083920991&browser_id=e6819362732540bb8f65675612cfe35f&is_c=Y
Hope the link works whole name is really long😆
Chinese namings are really ?
It got caught in the spam filter but I freed it. Thanks! Interesting looking module!
Can you do a video where you take a laptop charger (suitable V & A) & cut the barrel type plug off the end, & mount a USB-C connector? It's to make a chromebook charger! The USB-C has to be capable of handling approximately 15V & 3A.
Buy one of these, end of video 😅
a.aliexpress.com/_mODnELc
Can I also set a different Voltage then 5,9,12,15 or 20V?
No, the charges have fixed voltages they support, and the standard is only the ones you listed
I want to cut my very old samsung laptop power supply (is actually new, it is in a plastic sealed bag since ever) connector and solder one of these (probably the 7:36 one) to make it charge my Galaxy Tab S8 Ultra that supports 45w. Do you think it will work safely? Power Supply specs: 19V 2.53A 48W (it is kinda big).
No these do the opposite of what you want, they turn USB power delivery info just power. You want something to turn power into PD.
What if i bought IP2721 with fixed 20V and i connect it to my powerbank that only support up to 12V 1.5A PD...
Will the IP2721 with fixed 20V Only output the powerbank max supported PD output voltage which is 12V 1.5A or it will forced the powerbank to output 20V ????
Dont mind my grammar, Need answer asap Thank You❤️ Thank you💙 Thank you 💚
It will output the max voltage the power bank supports that is equal to or less than what it's configured for.
In your scenario it will output 12v
I'd love to see a similar small board with a 3-4 digit lcd, a potentiometer, and three switches. The first switch enables / disables the output, the second one enables / disables USB PD PPS for fine grade voltage control. And the third switch locks an once entered voltage, such that you cannot accidentally change it. When unlocked you can set the voltage with the potentiometer (Using an analog->digital converter inside a chip requesting the voltage from the source), and the lcd shows that dialed in voltage. For me, this would be the only board i'd find useful and safe enough to own and use. hopefully someone comes up with it. Otherwise i'd need to find a programmable usb pd (pps).chip + arduino control code to build my own one
Seems similar to the current Voltage and current boosters that you can set the voltage on
@@ArtyMars yes indeed. Just that with the board I wish the voltage is controlled directly by the power supply. That should be more power efficient and you probably get higher currents than if you go the route over 5V and a booster.
I'm not completely into the PPS standard and voltage regulation though. It could be an alternative to get like 20V 5A/8A via USB PD out and then have a separate Step-Down converter to fine control the voltage. But getting access to the full capabilities of an USB PD PPS power supply still seems nice for tinkering for me.
Hmm. Wonder if you could add this to a Nintendo Wii and force your PD board to only do 12v and now you have a standard power delivery instead of the brick that Nintendo gives you
maybe the i2c is there to let you control it with a microcontroller?
From looking into it more, it seems its for controlling it from a PC app using some adapter that they sell. Never dug into it too deep.
You've mentioned the ts100 quite often, are you creating your own custom soldering iron based of the ts100? just curious
dw checked your previous videos
Can you get 19V from USB C with a trigger board?
No, the trigger boards can only take what the power supply offers. 20v is the closest that will be offered
Technically you can do this with a power supply supporting "PPS" :)
My laptops and my monitor all use 19v do 20v is no good :(
Links just dont work, my DNS warns of untrusted address.
You showed a ZY12PDN module and called it FUSB302. Are you sure it‘s a FUSB302? Alex Whittemore found that the chip‘s pinout is similar but still different (see www.alexwhittemore.com/zy12pdn-reverse-engineering-part-1/). Do you have more information?
We don't know for sure I guess, but the working theory is it's still the fusb302 . Vbus is an input according to the data sheet for "attach and detach detection" so maybe that is just disabled or something.
I shared your comment on my discord and one of the guys said that he found some code in the firmware dump that suggests they might be bit banging the i2c, which means they could swap the two pins from the default of the mcu.
If you are interested in helping out or even keeping track of the progress, I'd recommend checking out the discord (link in the description)
@@BrianLough Thanks. That's good and bad news. Good: it's a FUSB302. Bad: I2C bit banging is used, making a replacement firmware more difficult than necessary.
"unless it's USB-C" -collective sigh
Open-source firmware for ZY12PDN: github.com/manuelbl/zy12pdn-oss
Buck converter with pd delivery next big thing.
Rather have a SEPIC converter, so the input voltage doesn't matter. Problem is the max current.
Yeah I agree, it's actually a project on my to-do list
@@BrianLough special for respberry pi4 😅
@@p_mouse8676ohh. Interesting thanks for mentioning.
@@p_mouse8676 4 switch buck/boost like LTC3780 is superior.
you so not explain how to use the powerbank, and so making a usb-c usb-c cable
He literally can't say three
I try my best 🌲
Can you pls write me your email? I have a question about PD charging laptop ...