Foxy tier lists are so dope dude he gives super convincing reasoning and isn’t just the same takes regurgitated over and over like the classic “Johnny have plus frame so is the best”
Great list! Never thought I'd see Lao in S Tier. Im a casual low level Lao player and love watching other Lao players. I also played Rassul's Lao and Liu and man. This dude cooks, but I was also able to learn better/quicker strings to use like you mentioned 2-1, F2, B3. Still practice, but Sektor has been my main kameo w/ Lao, but also like Sonya 2nd
Kenshi’s base kit isn’t opening up good players but when he does get a hit, he gets really strong offensive. Everyone hates on it but that’s how that archetype of character is supposed to be
Controlling space in this game is key ! That’s why top tier characters are so good ! Like scorpion for example , he controls the space better than the rest and he skips neutral instant , not necessarily the b3 !
@@VinylZGamingHub in most situations, scorpion gets to play the game in a way that he doesn't have to be close to you to get in. Most scorpions rely on their opponents mistakes. And all his combos do high damage because his spear is a meterless restand. Basically if you aren't patient in neutral.. you won't be able to beat a good scorpion, and you won't be able to play scorpion effectively
@@REThesNutz Doesn't mean he can't win even at a low level. Everyone has a skill ceiling. Also, please, type with proper English. No acronyms, abbreviations, etc. It makes it hard to take you seriously.
I love how when Homelander was released, people were afraid of his zoning, but now, they’re afraid of his mix and rush down which is both out of character and in character for Homelander since he’s not the greatest one on one but he definitely would just be a mix character just to spite his opponent 😂
Been playing peacemaker motaro since the day he dropped, nice to see a pros opinion because I've always thought it was slept on. proj reflect plus force field rotation, comboing safe mid eagley counterzone, full screen resetting torpedo, tail shot jailing into 22 mix, b2 "mix", super fun team.
Nice to see geras on your channel so high up! I'm a domoralize simp for sure. But he's reminded me what's so important to have and remember when playing him and it's led to great success. I put a bunch of new tech with him on my channel too that couldn't have been found if it wasn't for him inspiring me with the character.
this tier list has the best explanations i've seen. simple and woke to the truth of the game's core. your exposure of johnny's and ashrah's shortcomings are woke AF
Love the info in this video! Just a small suggestion-if you could speak a little more clearly, it would make your amazing content even easier to enjoy. Keep up the great work!
As for for Liu - ye his zoning is nothing special, but a regular EX fireball will eat up projectiles and remain active (and is quite large). Speaking of fireballs, air fireballs are crazy good when it comes to chip damage. I think A or A- would be fair, he has great damage that isn't execution heavy.. BUT... the fact that he only has ONE overhead (and it's the 2nd hit) in combination with his ONE low (also the 2nd hit) was enough to make me start focusing on other characters. Matchup advantage? IMO he has a decent advantage against Nitara compared to others. Reiko can be a fairly good matchup as well - assuming that you're destroying his shurikens with an EX fireball every now and then. One more thing - The new attack he was given is actually pretty good (B21). Despite being unable to combo off of it, it has a 10(?) frame startup, is _+4 on block_ not to mention both of its hits are mids.
Lius zoning is almost worth 0% chip per round, neutral jump low fireball, duck high fireball, flawless block ex fireball. You're not gonna get your own projectiles eaten by his ex fireball if you take your turn properly in the projectile war, that only happens if you attempt to steal a turn
li mei placement is crazy, how is she able to be a +2 bot if she’s chasing the entire cast & forced to throw out raw knees ☠️ also lacks kameo diversity heavily imo
@@AF0xyGrampayou chose lao, & you get no lantern combos or dmg over 35-40%, no meaningful poke or -7 punishes, no throw combos, etc. she doesn’t have good synergy with lao, i wish she did.
Foxy, thank you for a ligit crisp tier list 🫡. I’m just confused Ashrah Smoke and Shang lol everytime I fight those 3 they do the most random yolo unga bunga b/s 😂😂😂.
On Liu/Lao, I’d much rather run Liu against Omni man than Lao. Contests him better up close, can cover better airspace, and his armor actually works against Omni man gaps unlike Lao who dies for it? Feels weird seeing Liu that low
Foxy did not cook, he toasted to a crisp with this shit, ashrah in c tier, she’s s tier wtf?!, smoke should be at least top of b tier, cyrax needs to be in top 5, noob belongs in s tier, Takeda should be a c tier character, wtf is quan chi doing higher than Liu kang, Johnny cage, kitana, reptile, etc, Liu kang and Johnny destroy quan chi in the matchup
As a Ashrah player ion think I agree with her being so low. Now against good players it is kinda difficult to open them up, but people are usually so worried about the overhead on wake up that you can mix them with her low into Sareena blades. Plus her buttons have good range you can usually whiff punish alot of peoples moves. Plus she has some good anti airs so it’s pretty tough to jump in on her. I think she’s one of the characters that does well playing the patient game. What do yall think ?
Yeah you’re right about her having good anti air. Overhead is reactable, so the low shouldn’t hit because people are bothered about it. Because of her lack of ways to force people to chase her, there’s going to be less reason for people to jump at her, she’s chasing in a lot of matches, her buttons would be much better if she could force people to come to her, she just throws out a lot of high commitment moves while chasing the opponent, usually giving them more chance to choose the range being played, which is a disadvantage, that’s why you see her f2 being more detrimental vs better players.
@@flamingstrike1 well then press d1 before they can and you can just keep on repeating that and im pretty sure you're not even able to poke out of liu kangs f4
I don't agree with your Quan placement. Armor portal is decent, but there are plenty of easy ways to counter it. Opponents can jump away, walk away, block, throw (when armor isn't active), teleport away, poke special, use armor-breaking normals, and the list goes on. He has armor-able gaps in all of his strings, and still has has 900 base health. There wasn't a single Top 100 Elder God using him last season and some pros are dropping him for other characters. I think that speaks volumes.
Finally someone who understands Liu Kang is not great in this game like people keep saying. Like you said at the beginning he was really good. But now everyone knows how to face him. No low or overhead starters hurts especially when all the top tiers have mix ups like that. Even Ninjakilla thee best Liu player uses different characters in big tournaments. He is NOT top 5 not even close.
What do you mean every time? I’ve lost to Johnny once in tournament, when he was +3 on his 11. Not even the same version of the character and one time. You’re just saying shit to say shit at that point
@ hi foxy dont talking shit rn , i know you are a top top player , i was joking with that but if johnny is that bad why he was the champion of evo even after the parry and shadow kick nerfs ? Did you think that grand finals was a thing of a beef? i feel like that last match was a pure pure neutral game not because of johnny still top 1 since the nerfs . Like i see these players using 11 into a good mix with kam like 11 into down 1 into a rising star fan lift for full combo or 11 into 11 if u want to interrupt with ur own jab or 112 for cover the gap or 11 back dash into f3 idk man i think johnny isnt top 5 anymore because of the parry nerf but i think he is like top 10 bro for real , whats ur toughts ? And i mean still plus 4 on his jabs is crazy bro and dont forget the 44 string its plus 15 and plus 5 also is a scary string
Johnny was the only character that faught Peacemaker in that meta, thats why you saw him everywhere, if peacemaker didnt exist, Sonic wouldn't have needed to play Johnny. All those situations you just listed I showed examples as to why its Johnnys risk to play that way off his 11 in the video, check it out.
@ i know foxy but why even in evo , in evo PM was dead , and also grand finals was johnny. plus sonic shows he can fight PM with sindel even with omniman , btw as i say in evo PM was dead so why the final was a johnny mirror
his combos are long, boring, and uninspired. his gameplan is also atrocious. i leave EVERY shang tsung matchup. i aint playing against that BORING character kit.
Thing is I really don’t think people know how to play Shang in this game I met a really amazing elder god Shang player in King of the hill doing super unique high damage combos with character switches so it was even more impressive just like how you have to kinda approach sub zero unconventionally to make him unique in this game you have to approach Shang in that same way
Sub being a tier is wild id say cuz yeah cyrax gives him meter drain and 50% and Sonya making it all safe but other than that no other kameo gives him good combo extensions they only good ones for sub are just 50/50 kameos id say at least b tier
One of the worst tier lists I've seen. Just look at the characters he has below Sub Zero! Tells you everything you need to know. No way this guy actually plays this game. Gotta be just a spectator these days.
Johnny 1,1 was plus season 1 and early days of season 2 with the 9 frame mid it meant its still not your turn but it is very negative now, his parry is also nerfed bad is pretty nonexistent too risky so I agree. Standing 1,1 too risky aswell with a back dash into forward 3.
Geras and Quan are way too high, they’re both bottom 5 in this patch and definitely in the Conan patch Geras D1 is the main issue that makes him lose most of his MUs, he can’t D1 punish anyone even D1 check anyone because it whiffs so as a geras blocking someone else’s D1 or minus staggers have mind games that no other character has to deal with except maybe Lao to a lesser extent. Geras mids are either too slow (B1, 16 frames) or don’t reach (F1, 11 frames but no reach) so someone can do D1 into back dash buttons to whiff punish his F1/D1 or if Geras does B1 after blocking a D1, the opponent can do D1 into S1. he has no winning MUs and only goes even with Rain, PM, Kitana, Smoke, Shang, Quan, Omni Quans zoning sucks, orange portal is overrated and just boils down to him needing to throw if you can fuzzy block his mix which is mostly easy especially offline. S4/D+F4 whiff so easily, 900 HP, punishable D1, doesn’t have a string that’s confirmable and gapless. Has no winning MUs, loses to most of the roster and only goes even with some
sub isn't as bad as smoke but certainly isn't as good as liu kang because liu gets one of the best f4 some of the best projectiles and one of the best punish strings in the game
I disagree on Quan. Him not being able to punish D1s hurts him. He loses a clear guaranteed turn.. Plus any kind of staggering becomes immediately better against him.😐
That's the reason why i'm getting mad with my main. He's the worst character in the game, with a single overhead, no opening attacks, kameo clone is a russian roullette and he's very punishable being one of the most downframed sets in the roster.
Smoke and ashrah are def not botom 3 Kitana,liu and johnny are way better than this Quan isnt that high And lao is top 7? The rest of the list is fine i personaly would put omni man a little bit higher,shao,rain and lei mei a little bit lower
Boi you tweakin with Ashra and Liu Kang that low.. One thing I do agree with tho is that Sektor is top 5 and Takeda is way too downplayed. Dude better than people claim.
6:08 😬 😰 let’s not bring too much attention to her…I feel like if the online talk is true we’re almost out of the woods when it comes to balance patches, until then she can remain a somewhat quiet menace to society 😅🤣
39:22 ☠️ he's not faulty here, you can say groxy sounds like a hater (sometimes yes sometimes sometimes whatever) however where is dhe lie? 25:34 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀 fax. serious, fax.
Noobs armor is the worst in the game. I don’t see how scorpion is top tier with Ferra due to armor combos but I’m trash. He’s definitely brain dead. Also smoke being low I don’t get but maybe that’s just from me playing exclusively online and being old af. Great list.
*Timestamps*
Liu Kang : 0:23
Kung Lao 2:05
Raiden : 3:37
Geras : 4:35
Li Mei : 5:54
Kitana : 7:33
Mileena : 8:27
Tanya : 9:43
Scorpion : 11:24
Sub Zero : 12:41
Reptile : 15:03
Smoke : 15:46
Rain : 16:50
Johnny Cage : 17:50
Kenshi : 21:59
Baraka : 24:15
Havik : 25:03
Ashrah : 26:17
Sindel : 28:15
Shao : 29:03
Shang Tsung : 30:09
Nitara : 30:57
Reiko : 32:07
Omni Man : 33:16
Quan Chi : 34:12
Peacemaker : 35:13
Ermac : 36:10
Homelander : 37:19
Takeda : 39:37
Cyrax : 41:10
Sektor : 42:53
Noob Saibot : 44:20
Ghostface : 45:53
Ordering them : 46:30
hey, you missed Quan Chi.
Nice 1 Cheek Punisher 👌🏾
Foxy tier lists are so dope dude he gives super convincing reasoning and isn’t just the same takes regurgitated over and over like the classic “Johnny have plus frame so is the best”
Can we fight?
That's a 0 Tier for me, by the way...
Goxoraxasaxas is displeased
Foxy burnt down the kitchen trying to cook up this tierlist😢
Noob being in A tier is super valid, i agree with everything you stated about him.
Yeah he is for sure the most balanced khaos reigns dlc so far but Conan is coming out today so that could change
Great list! Never thought I'd see Lao in S Tier. Im a casual low level Lao player and love watching other Lao players. I also played Rassul's Lao and Liu and man. This dude cooks, but I was also able to learn better/quicker strings to use like you mentioned 2-1, F2, B3. Still practice, but Sektor has been my main kameo w/ Lao, but also like Sonya 2nd
Making a tier list right before the update is hilarious lol
katana gets a double buff and reiko gets his zoning completely taken away basically 😂
Kenshi’s base kit isn’t opening up good players but when he does get a hit, he gets really strong offensive. Everyone hates on it but that’s how that archetype of character is supposed to be
Controlling space in this game is key ! That’s why top tier characters are so good ! Like scorpion for example , he controls the space better than the rest and he skips neutral instant , not necessarily the b3 !
What makes scorpion so good in this game? I’m brand new to the series and just picked up the game
@@VinylZGamingHub in most situations, scorpion gets to play the game in a way that he doesn't have to be close to you to get in. Most scorpions rely on their opponents mistakes. And all his combos do high damage because his spear is a meterless restand. Basically if you aren't patient in neutral.. you won't be able to beat a good scorpion, and you won't be able to play scorpion effectively
@@VinylZGamingHubwith ferra you have a vortex. He's alright alone
Buff practice mode, invasions mode, towers mode, DLC release dates, krossplay, NRS comms, bugfixing, balance patching, FT3, shang tsung, MTX prices
Buff everything
Give specifics, please. Otherwise this is a wasted comment
@@MidKnighter someone doesn’t watch Foxy’s streams….
Homelander being easy enough for a baby to pick up is the most lore accurate thing to me lol
His combos r fkn hard to learn, have u even tried him?
@@REThesNutz Doesn't mean he can't win even at a low level. Everyone has a skill ceiling.
Also, please, type with proper English. No acronyms, abbreviations, etc. It makes it hard to take you seriously.
@@Jago-Shogun you mean like when you said "lol"?
I love how when Homelander was released, people were afraid of his zoning, but now, they’re afraid of his mix and rush down which is both out of character and in character for Homelander since he’s not the greatest one on one but he definitely would just be a mix character just to spite his opponent 😂
Foxy you're a great player but this tier list is dog water. Kitana, Cage and Liu Kang worse than 2/3 of the cast? And Ashrah bottom 3? K.
😂😂😂 Tier list is absolute shite
Liu Kang Kitana and JC in B tier is insane
It's not
any comment ending in "thats crazy" or "insane" is the most npc thing ever
@@Jago-Shogun your point?
Geras ,quan and sub in A i just lol
@ You have the mind of an npc, so your point is invalid
Been playing peacemaker motaro since the day he dropped, nice to see a pros opinion because I've always thought it was slept on. proj reflect plus force field rotation, comboing safe mid eagley counterzone, full screen resetting torpedo, tail shot jailing into 22 mix, b2 "mix", super fun team.
Shang at the bottom once again, sad to see man #BuffShang
Nice to see geras on your channel so high up! I'm a domoralize simp for sure. But he's reminded me what's so important to have and remember when playing him and it's led to great success. I put a bunch of new tech with him on my channel too that couldn't have been found if it wasn't for him inspiring me with the character.
Any base character they always give enough to compete
I love the metal gear music in the background
Great vid. Thanks for giving actual reasons and not just rambling.
Shang bottom 1 the goat has spoken🗣️🗣️🗣️
ashrah at c?
Listen?
Thanks for the tier list fox!
Ashrah f2 is actually a suicide button😂
very good accurate tier list!
This really opened my eyes and helped me see that I truly am a scrub. Thank you foxy. i will be better
this tier list has the best explanations i've seen. simple and woke to the truth of the game's core. your exposure of johnny's and ashrah's shortcomings are woke AF
Love the info in this video! Just a small suggestion-if you could speak a little more clearly, it would make your amazing content even easier to enjoy. Keep up the great work!
As for for Liu - ye his zoning is nothing special, but a regular EX fireball will eat up projectiles and remain active (and is quite large). Speaking of fireballs, air fireballs are crazy good when it comes to chip damage. I think A or A- would be fair, he has great damage that isn't execution heavy.. BUT... the fact that he only has ONE overhead (and it's the 2nd hit) in combination with his ONE low (also the 2nd hit) was enough to make me start focusing on other characters. Matchup advantage? IMO he has a decent advantage against Nitara compared to others. Reiko can be a fairly good matchup as well - assuming that you're destroying his shurikens with an EX fireball every now and then. One more thing -
The new attack he was given is actually pretty good (B21). Despite being unable to combo off of it, it has a 10(?) frame startup, is _+4 on block_ not to mention both of its hits are mids.
Lius zoning is almost worth 0% chip per round, neutral jump low fireball, duck high fireball, flawless block ex fireball.
You're not gonna get your own projectiles eaten by his ex fireball if you take your turn properly in the projectile war, that only happens if you attempt to steal a turn
Johnny is actually very honest
I honestly was playing Havik pre-patch and I got so sick of seeing him after KR that I dropped him. Now I’m playing Ghostface pretty much exclusively
Been playing sektor since she released was wondering why no one talked about how insane she was
li mei placement is crazy, how is she able to be a +2 bot if she’s chasing the entire cast & forced to throw out raw knees ☠️ also lacks kameo diversity heavily imo
Play her with Lao then you chase nearly nobody
Facts! Hate when ppl give these ridiculous takes when they don't even play the character. Li Mei is B tier at best.
I play Li Mei, genius
@WaveGawd912 you need to come to my stream and play me, you talk too much for someone who would clearly just get destroyed
@@AF0xyGrampayou chose lao, & you get no lantern combos or dmg over 35-40%, no meaningful poke or -7 punishes, no throw combos, etc. she doesn’t have good synergy with lao, i wish she did.
Foxy, thank you for a ligit crisp tier list 🫡. I’m just confused Ashrah Smoke and Shang lol everytime I fight those 3 they do the most random yolo unga bunga b/s 😂😂😂.
On Liu/Lao, I’d much rather run Liu against Omni man than Lao. Contests him better up close, can cover better airspace, and his armor actually works against Omni man gaps unlike Lao who dies for it?
Feels weird seeing Liu that low
People crying about this tier list being "wrong" but not actually giving any points as to why. Typical mk crybabies
Can we get a soundboard tier list now
Do a combo! You caint!
Foxy did not cook, he toasted to a crisp with this shit, ashrah in c tier, she’s s tier wtf?!, smoke should be at least top of b tier, cyrax needs to be in top 5, noob belongs in s tier, Takeda should be a c tier character, wtf is quan chi doing higher than Liu kang, Johnny cage, kitana, reptile, etc, Liu kang and Johnny destroy quan chi in the matchup
Crying but not actually giving any evidence as to what you're saying
@ no one is crying 🤣
@@skull_reviews4964cry harder scrub
Why though
I agree with this tierlist very solid just because you put mileena on a tier
As a Ashrah player ion think I agree with her being so low. Now against good players it is kinda difficult to open them up, but people are usually so worried about the overhead on wake up that you can mix them with her low into Sareena blades. Plus her buttons have good range you can usually whiff punish alot of peoples moves. Plus she has some good anti airs so it’s pretty tough to jump in on her. I think she’s one of the characters that does well playing the patient game. What do yall think ?
Yeah you’re right about her having good anti air.
Overhead is reactable, so the low shouldn’t hit because people are bothered about it.
Because of her lack of ways to force people to chase her, there’s going to be less reason for people to jump at her, she’s chasing in a lot of matches, her buttons would be much better if she could force people to come to her, she just throws out a lot of high commitment moves while chasing the opponent, usually giving them more chance to choose the range being played, which is a disadvantage, that’s why you see her f2 being more detrimental vs better players.
@ yea u right, it is pretty easy to play keep away against her.
It’s 1am in LA, still going to watch this!
Its 5:11 am in Miami rn and I haven't gone to sleep yet lol, bout to watch a tier list for a game I don't play, its really about priorities
@@Section8dcwe don't care. Get a job
It’s still a 0
i haven’t played in months but I remember scoprion being terrible and johnny being broken, what happened now?
What pause screen is that background music to it sounds so familiar??? Metal gear?
How’s sub zero better than Johnny??
Average sub downplayer
He is way better his options are better
Sub zero sucks in this game. Play him to see
@@jayizzultimate273 I main sub lmao, he isn't bad whatsoever
@@jayizzultimate273 cry harder
Onlinecale got everyone scared of Lao & l love it.
I've never played him, my opinion is because I also play Lao
Finally someone with common sense agrees liu kang isn't S tier as everyone seems to claim he is lmao
I’m a Liu main and I haven’t seen him in S tier on lists since like the first two months of the game.
@@peterevans2854 you'd be surprised of the amount of conversations i've had with people that say otherwise
@@flamingstrike1 tbf he has one of the best f4 in the game
@yomrwhite607 and yet u can just press afterwards with almost no mindgame behind it.
@@flamingstrike1 well then press d1 before they can and you can just keep on repeating that and im pretty sure you're not even able to poke out of liu kangs f4
I don't agree with your Quan placement. Armor portal is decent, but there are plenty of easy ways to counter it. Opponents can jump away, walk away, block, throw (when armor isn't active), teleport away, poke special, use armor-breaking normals, and the list goes on. He has armor-able gaps in all of his strings, and still has has 900 base health. There wasn't a single Top 100 Elder God using him last season and some pros are dropping him for other characters. I think that speaks volumes.
Sub-zero in a tier 🤨 🤨 🤨 🤨 🤨 🤨
yes and very cheap.
Yes he's very braindead and cheap with Cyrax. Yolo slide into 40% dmg takes no skill with Cyrax
Yolo slide isn't a good defense. If it's blocked, he loses 45%. Not worth it.
@ sure buddy
Finally someone who understands Liu Kang is not great in this game like people keep saying. Like you said at the beginning he was really good. But now everyone knows how to face him. No low or overhead starters hurts especially when all the top tiers have mix ups like that. Even Ninjakilla thee best Liu player uses different characters in big tournaments. He is NOT top 5 not even close.
So where do you place Conan?
Foxy saying johnnys not a deal but he gets mopped everytime by a johnny player on tourneys lol
What do you mean every time? I’ve lost to Johnny once in tournament, when he was +3 on his 11.
Not even the same version of the character and one time.
You’re just saying shit to say shit at that point
@ hi foxy dont talking shit rn , i know you are a top top player , i was joking with that but if johnny is that bad why he was the champion of evo even after the parry and shadow kick nerfs ? Did you think that grand finals was a thing of a beef? i feel like that last match was a pure pure neutral game not because of johnny still top 1 since the nerfs .
Like i see these players using 11 into a good mix with kam like 11 into down 1 into a rising star fan lift for full combo or 11 into 11 if u want to interrupt with ur own jab or 112 for cover the gap or 11 back dash into f3 idk man i think johnny isnt top 5 anymore because of the parry nerf but i think he is like top 10 bro for real , whats ur toughts ? And i mean still plus 4 on his jabs is crazy bro and dont forget the 44 string its plus 15 and plus 5 also is a scary string
Johnny was the only character that faught Peacemaker in that meta, thats why you saw him everywhere, if peacemaker didnt exist, Sonic wouldn't have needed to play Johnny.
All those situations you just listed I showed examples as to why its Johnnys risk to play that way off his 11 in the video, check it out.
@ i know foxy but why even in evo , in evo PM was dead , and also grand finals was johnny. plus sonic shows he can fight PM with sindel even with omniman , btw as i say in evo PM was dead so why the final was a johnny mirror
Kinda wish Foxy went more in depth with Sub Zero other than saying he is good because he won a tournament.
I like how include community opinions despite being a higher skill level than 90% of your audience
Crazy to see how they made one of the coolest Shang Tsungs ever in the entirety of MK History and then just left him to rot🥲
his combos are long, boring, and uninspired. his gameplan is also atrocious. i leave EVERY shang tsung matchup. i aint playing against that BORING character kit.
i think he's so fun to watch@@yeetnessmcfinn501
Thing is I really don’t think people know how to play Shang in this game I met a really amazing elder god Shang player in King of the hill doing super unique high damage combos with character switches so it was even more impressive just like how you have to kinda approach sub zero unconventionally to make him unique in this game you have to approach Shang in that same way
Smoke at C is crazy
Everyone put smoke low teir but I agree with them
Even after they buffed him- sadly I do agree he should be at C
Kenshi/Mavado seems like it would be a problem, honestly. Throw combo into sento means death.
Sub being a tier is wild id say cuz yeah cyrax gives him meter drain and 50% and Sonya making it all safe but other than that no other kameo gives him good combo extensions they only good ones for sub are just 50/50 kameos id say at least b tier
My horizonticles just dropped
One of the worst tier lists I've seen. Just look at the characters he has below Sub Zero! Tells you everything you need to know. No way this guy actually plays this game. Gotta be just a spectator these days.
Did you even listen to the video?
If you think I dont play the game, come to my stream and money match me, free money no?
@@AF0xyGrampasay less guy. But you gotta play Sub since you think he's so good. Good luck...you're gonna need it!
I did, and I got to Elder god in 80 games with less than 10 losses, any comment?
@@AF0xyGrampa yeah, bullshit
Buff Conan
He's so bad that he's basically unplayable right now!
Johnny 1,1 was plus season 1 and early days of season 2 with the 9 frame mid it meant its still not your turn but it is very negative now, his parry is also nerfed bad is pretty nonexistent too risky so I agree. Standing 1,1 too risky aswell with a back dash into forward 3.
Peacemaker also neutered.
Why is sub khameleon potatoes?
Peacemaker not B, but iiight cool
I AM HERE CEDRIC stop giving it away 😮
Smoke definitely ain’t bottom 2. Kitana definitely should be higher and Lui Kang. Ashra could be a bit higher also. Other than that it’s spot on.
Maybe Johnnie also.
Geras and Quan are way too high, they’re both bottom 5 in this patch and definitely in the Conan patch
Geras D1 is the main issue that makes him lose most of his MUs, he can’t D1 punish anyone even D1 check anyone because it whiffs so as a geras blocking someone else’s D1 or minus staggers have mind games that no other character has to deal with except maybe Lao to a lesser extent. Geras mids are either too slow (B1, 16 frames) or don’t reach (F1, 11 frames but no reach) so someone can do D1 into back dash buttons to whiff punish his F1/D1 or if Geras does B1 after blocking a D1, the opponent can do D1 into S1. he has no winning MUs and only goes even with Rain, PM, Kitana, Smoke, Shang, Quan, Omni
Quans zoning sucks, orange portal is overrated and just boils down to him needing to throw if you can fuzzy block his mix which is mostly easy especially offline. S4/D+F4 whiff so easily, 900 HP, punishable D1, doesn’t have a string that’s confirmable and gapless. Has no winning MUs, loses to most of the roster and only goes even with some
You put Smoke below Sub Zero but in the same tier as Nitara. Bro's obviously trollin'
typical scrubzero downplayer.
sub isn't as bad as smoke but certainly isn't as good as liu kang because liu gets one of the best f4 some of the best projectiles and one of the best punish strings in the game
@@starfire3287then explain to us why you think Sub is so good. I'll wait.
Thank you I hear Ashrah has the best buttons all the time. Her buttons ain't even top 5.
I disagree on Quan. Him not being able to punish D1s hurts him. He loses a clear guaranteed turn.. Plus any kind of staggering becomes immediately better against him.😐
What’s with the aoe2 music ?
15:04 ('tile's not* to be taken lightly.)
That's the reason why i'm getting mad with my main. He's the worst character in the game, with a single overhead, no opening attacks, kameo clone is a russian roullette and he's very punishable being one of the most downframed sets in the roster.
My goat noob didn’t make S tier😔
This is one of the most inaccurate tier lists iv seen
Gonna have to back up your reasoning on that
Smoke and ashrah are def not botom 3
Kitana,liu and johnny are way better than this
Quan isnt that high
And lao is top 7?
The rest of the list is fine i personaly would put omni man a little bit higher,shao,rain and lei mei a little bit lower
Yeah but what reasoning do you have, I have details for why characters like Ashrah & Smoke suck, what points do you have to argue mine?
Cage in B tier? I have seen enough.
Ok, got a point of argument to contest what I said about him? Considering what I said was proven & true, I'd be interested to hear.
floyd number one
Quan chi is not A tier I’m sorry 🤦🏽♂️🤷🏾♂️
when we deserved to get fookin educated on?
Boi you tweakin with Ashra and Liu Kang that low.. One thing I do agree with tho is that Sektor is top 5 and Takeda is way too downplayed. Dude better than people claim.
Johnny cage is so bad that Sonic fox used him to win final kombat. OK bro. Sure bro. Whatever you say bruv
😂 Exactly
You just blessed my feed
51:46 how tf did nightbot respond to the guy asking if there were any d tiers 🤣
Once you know how to fuzzy block Johnny he’s cooked.
It's all safe so you get nothing for guessing right anyways.
@@WaveGawd912 Yeah thats cap. You can at least poke out or armor.
💀terrible tier list bro
Still gettin bopped by Kitanas n shit bro? :)
@ yeahh😂😂
W sub zero placement. Character is great
Legit just skipped over Reptile, put him in B, no explanation. He’s definitely lower than that.
How do you have 20 chars in S tier? lol
Sub bottom 1
6:08 😬 😰 let’s not bring too much attention to her…I feel like if the online talk is true we’re almost out of the woods when it comes to balance patches, until then she can remain a somewhat quiet menace to society 😅🤣
Sad days shang being c tier.
14:00 what did he say here? My dumbass can't tell cause of his accent
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39:22 ☠️ he's not faulty here, you can say groxy sounds like a hater (sometimes yes sometimes sometimes whatever) however where is dhe lie?
25:34 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀 fax. serious, fax.
Tier list situation is crazy
whaddya know another bot 😂
Noobs armor is the worst in the game. I don’t see how scorpion is top tier with Ferra due to armor combos but I’m trash. He’s definitely brain dead. Also smoke being low I don’t get but maybe that’s just from me playing exclusively online and being old af. Great list.
Sub moving on up.. 🎶🎶
Cedric Fox
We still playing this in 2025 ?
One of the most played games on ps5
@ source trust me bro
@ You were hoping someone would validate this shit
@ I’m saying you’re talking out your ahh
@ Google is free. You know, you don’t have to be stupid in 2025