Are Trads Right?
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- Why do people leave the novus ordo and choose to attend the approved latin mass, or attend the sspx, or become a sedevacantist?
Why this relatively new attack on traditionalist groups?
Why does traditional Catholicism even exist?
Recentlly a priest gave me the traditional blessing for expectant mothers. Afterward he commented on how beautiful it was. The traditional blessings were all very beautiful. They were composed by men with deep faith, profound theological reflection, and greater understanding of the Scriptures than the protestants i grew up with.
Congratulations. ❤
When in doubt put trad in front of literally anything and then it browns a special gnostic thing only a select few know about.
That in a nutshell is Traditionalism.
@@michaelspeyrer1264 what did you say? Browns? What is your point? Speak up
@@michaelspeyrer1264Doesn’t matter how many people know about it, just like it doesn’t matter how many people “participate” in the novus ordo. This is man-centered not God-centered.
I am lucky to have a group of solid priests where I live, all of them offer the old rite of baptism, holy viaticum, and other very beautiful old rite forms. Young priest please learn it and offers it. It is a way in for people on the margins to see the beautiful and solid prayers and gifts of the older rite and form.
You shared a whole lot of truth in just under 20 minutes. From this grandma, who was around before the novus disordo came in, may God bless you!
I don't understand why "trad" is used as a pejorative... after all we believe that Sacred "Trad"ition is good.
not all of us, no
@@alddybalddy:
If you don't believe that Sacred Tradition is good then you must be a heretic.
Why should anyone here take notice of your opinion?
SSPX usurps the local authority of the local prince of the church-local bishop appointed by Rome.
Ordinary mission should coincide extraordinary mission.
SSPX needs to accept second Vatican council for a full communion according to Pope Benedict’s document of removal of excommunication of 4 SSPX bishops.
Did you know that SSPX followers went to conference in a diocese near Chicago this year which was organised by the local authority of the church?
Did you know that SSPX tribunal in the USA may annul a marriage just because one party becomes a novus ordo or becomes an apostate?
They need to get off of their high horse.
I loved how you explained Confession. I learned by the 3 B's. Be Brief, Be Brutal, Be Gone.
It is 3:45 am. I wake up every night at 3:00 am, or a few minutes after, every night. This has been happening for around six years. I usually watch a Catholic video. Then pray myself back to sleep.
I can’t bring myself to attend the NO mass. Only the TLM. I go every Sunday. If it was offered everyday, I would go more often. I’m grateful the TLM is close by. I love being around faithful people who want to obey the Father to the best of their ability. I don’t see this at the NO mass. I love to be on my knees in reverence and obedience to my Lord. I love to participate in outward movements of submission and adoration to my Father/ The Holy Trinity. I believe I am in His presence with the Saints and Angels. I’m sure the devil is watching, I don’t care. I’m glad he must submit to the commands of the Holy Roman Catholic Church. I am very, very grateful to be alive now and part of the only Church on Earth. I am not surprised by the confusion. It solidifies the faith by projecting the struggles humankind has with good and evil in its nature.
Lefebvre is a Saint, Bugnini is a man from hell. That sums up my choices about living as a Catholic pretty simply. If you are offended by the TLM, I highly suggest you study about the Freemason Bugnini who made up the NO mass, and pray much, much more than you currently do now.
a few months ago the priest would not come from behind the altar to give me Holy Communion the traditional way.
I kept beckoning/challenging him to come forward....he kept pointing to the woman who was giving communion in the hand........I shook my head but allas he remained stubborn
committing a mortal sin.
I am the only one in the NO mass to receive Communion while kneeling and on the tongue.
Next time I see that priest I will confront him ; it is my duty to do so.
Bishop Sheen said it is up to the laity to speak up ; restore and purify the church.
Good for you!
I've done the same in the past although in the past year I don't attend too many NO Masses anymore unless I have no other choice. It's too frustrating seeing the liturgical abuses.
The laity speaking up and keeping the faith was also part of one of the messages from one of the Marian apparitions; the laity would be the ones to stand up and defend the faith.
I think it was either Akita, Fatima or maybe Our Lady of The Good Event.
Somebody reading this will surely know.
@@capecodder04 it is a 3hr round trip to go every week to the Latin Mass
The town near me 20 mins, the bishop only allows 1 Latin Mass per month.
I haven't met him yet and make him an offer he can't refuse.
Good week-end
Yes! That priest is arrogant. He subsists from your donations. You are entitled to receive as you wish
Be kind. When at the NO. I do a spiritual communion
@@kathleenmay552 NO is a disaster and soul destroying. That priest will be confronted when I see him. It is our duty to save souls. What do u mean when u do a spiritual communion.......as a women R U given communion...................100% wrong
When I go to mass, I feel like an outsider. I loved the traditional Latin mass with its chanting and medieval polyphony. But now the mass is more like a social club, even twerking-type dancing in the aisles while the congregation is invited to sing spirituals and songs that resemble German beer garden melodies. The new Church reminds me of a Lutheran-Calvinist-Dutch Reform service performed in Catholic robes.
Are Trads right? Yes.
No, not in my opinion, which may I add, is as valid as your own. God bless you.
shocker 😑
The Catholic Church mass says the novus ordo is valid rad trads follow the eastern ortodox mentality 😅
@@prayinginthedivinewill7077A valid opinion can be incorrect.
@@prayinginthedivinewill7077 you believe in relativism?? Yikes.... actually no your opinion is not just as correct as ours in regard to the Faith. You're simply wrong since absolute Truth is real and connot be argued against... we can see the corruption V2 has caused within the Church. Open your eyes... you're a sheep being led by the blind....
The term traditional catholic or traditionalists came from St. Pope Pius X. It existed in the early 1900s, almost 50 years before Vatican II. It was to distinguish Catholics from the modernists.
"The true friends of the people are neither revolutionaries, nor innovators, but traditionalists." - St. Pius X
A traditional Catholic is someone who recognizes the handed-down teachings of the Church and clings on to the more ancient practices and customs which we know to be good. They are cautious with novelties and even reject the new practices/ideas that pose a danger or go against Catholic faith/morals. For example, a traditional Catholic would not like and even reject the irreverent communion in the hand where particles fall in the ground and female alter servers, even if it was approved. A non-traditionalist might accept such novelties and even like the new changes.
Amen!
Catholics vs. neocatholics
I'm grateful that I found your channel. I'm learning a lot. Have been going to parish in Tampere Finland for a year.
Bring back the true tradition.I’m so drawn to the old tradition it’s very powerful.
Comprehensive, balanced and true! Thank you for a great video.
I like that you haven’t severed the cord between the old and the new, especially as this can be quite tricky at the edges, but we must strive towards the ‘Universal’ church while constantly tugging the rope towards tradition which is vital to the recovery of lost souls.
God bless to all
Yes. They’re right. They’ve always been right. And always will be right. Because they are aligned with the deposit of faith.
SSPX usurps the local authority of the local prince of the church-local bishop appointed by Rome.
Ordinary mission should coincide extraordinary mission.
SSPX needs to accept second Vatican council for a full communion according to Pope Benedict’s document of removal of excommunication of 4 SSPX bishops.
Did you know that SSPX followers went to conference in a diocese near Chicago this year which was organised by the local authority of the church?
Did you know that SSPX tribunal in the USA may annul a marriage just because one party becomes a novus ordo or becomes an apostate?
Get off your high horse per favore!
Trads are right. Give it 50 more years and it becomes crystal clear to everyone
I converted from being a non practicing Protestant to the novus ordo. I thought that was going to be better than the Protestant church but was worse in my opinion. By luck I found a Latin mass church near my office in Lawrence Massachusetts and never looked back. I go to daily mass and both my wife and I couldn’t be happier. There is a Dominican brother at the church that told me “pray the rosary daily with your wife and Our Lady will not let you down”. That’s the truth!!
In my opinion and by my experience the novus ordo has been designed to be hated especially by men. The music is awful and the priests I had any encounter with gave me terrible advise. They are lay people in a Roman collar and leading souls to hell.
Not trying to be negative but just sharing my personal experiences.
I live outside Siena in Italy where you can still see what Christendom actually looked like. It makes the contrast when i return to NYC unbearable- ugly decay and pagan filth.
ST. AUGUSTINE: “Apart from those moments when the Scriptures are being read or a sermon is preached, when the bishop is praying aloud or the deacon is specifying the intentions of the community, is there a time when the faithful assembled in the church are not singing? Truly, I see nothing better, or more useful, or more holy that they could do.”
My Parrish is a minor Basillica NO and with a weekly Latin Mass. so thankful my priest is traditional minded. Even our NO English Mass has all the smells and bells. Also done in ad orientum at times. My kids prefer English because they understand better but they see the difference from other parish in my area.
The NO is irreverent inexcusable garbage.
Yes, that's why I like ordinariate as well! It's the traditional mass said in English, but I also like the different language
I find the parishioners in the Latin mass is far wiser than those in the modern mass.
They are more obedient to the faith
So why did Francis Crack down on it?? I think he saw a separatist attitude
@@glennlanham6309coz Pope Francis is our Holy father given by God and to be obeyed except in sin.
@@glennlanham6309 because the Catholic Church is once again under attack
A traditional Catholic is someone who recognizes the handed-down teachings of the Church and clings on to the more ancient practices and customs which we know to be good. They are cautious with novelties and even reject the new practices/ideas that pose a danger or go against Catholic faith/morals. For example, a traditional Catholic would not like and even reject the irreverent communion in the hand where particles fall in the ground and female alter servers, even if it was approved. A non-traditionalist might accept such novelties and even like the new changes.
the more ancient practices and customs which we know to be good are orthodoxy ☦
@@Hope_Boat orthodoxy has its own pros and cons, Without the beautiful liturgy and foreigness (along with a few well conserved customs like the mode of crismation) it wouldn’t be so attractive for most people who want straightforward and universal Christianity
@@Vinsanity997 If there is something that is neither straightforward nor universal it's the Roman Catholic faith. Full of contradictions, paradoxes, about-faces. On day the heretics are set on fire the next you kiss the Quran.
@@Hope_Boat the mask falls quickly Mr Boat
@@Vinsanity997 What mask? Did or didn't you change you policy against heretics?
i'm from the Church in Indonesia, i attend Novus Ordo rite, they still praying rosary outloud together in church before Mass, but only during May and October.
As a new convert, i confess my sins monthly, and my catechists also encourage the catechumens to back in my catechese time.
I'm going to say yes, i agree that people here are kind of foreign to Marian consecration here, but brown scapular are still popular.
This video uploader is mainly talking about USA and western countries. Developing countries have lots of church attendees
Totally agree. It was the change in the Liturgy that ushered all the craziness
They didn't stop with the liturgy of the Mass.....it was all 7 of the Sacraments, the Catechism, the Bible, Canon Law, the Lectionary and the Breviary....
An EXCELLENT defense of true Catholicism. Thank you.
Catholicism is attacked from all fronts, we must stay strong and pray
I'm guessing something you recently read, experienced or saw on UA-cam fired you up to make this video.
Great job and great channel which I just discovered about 2-3 months ago.
We have a lot of good Traditional Catholic UA-cam channels out there defending our position and spreading the word.
Dominus Vobiscum
Pax
Trad recovery
@@imisschristendom5293 It wasn't the VII "council" that was the issue. It was the antipope "elected" in 1958 who was it starter of the VII "Catholic" sect. Technically, the Holy See isn't vacant, but neither is it in the Vatican.
I'll be praying for you guys. ☦️✝️
The novus disorder is a religion for people of the world while Traditional Catholicism is the religion for the people of Our Lord.
In my book, Trads Are Right And Will Be Always Right.
As Saint Athanasius said:
(They Have The Buildings But We Have The Faith Of The Apostles.) That Settles It.
End Of Story.
Prob is a lot of radtrads are not traditional at all. If you read the early Church, they are the opposite of real traditionalists. Radtrads I notice are infected with the heresy of protestantism and secularism, they think they are right and the Church and authority is wrong, they suffer from pride, narcissism, malice, and disobedience. They claim to be Catholic but want to do away with the pope. They claim to be Catholic yet they are the first to become sedes, then orthodox, until they finally reach atheism. They suffer from the worst heresy, inciting division and apostasy. Real traditionalists from 1000 years ago will not consider these people traditionalists, look at taylor Marshall?
POPE BENEDICT XV (succeeded Pius X in 1912): “In the Church there is room for divergent opinions, and it is clearly the right of everyone to express and defend his or her own opinion. But in such discussions no expressions should be used that might constitute serious breaches of charity; let each one freely defend his or her own opinion, but let it be done with due moderation, so that no one should consider himself or herself entitled to affix on those who merely do not agree with their ideas the stigma of disloyalty to faith or to discipline. It is, moreover, our will that Catholics should abstain from certain appellations (designations) that have recently been brought into use to distinguish one group of Catholics from another. They are to be avoided... they give rise to great trouble and confusion among Catholics... There is no need of adding any qualifying terms to the profession of Catholicism; it is quite enough for each one to proclaim ‘Catholic is my name and Christian is my surname,’ only let them endeavor to be in reality what they call themselves.”
In my NO church the rosary is prayed every Sunday before mass
Aren't people trying to pray then?
That’s good but it’s not like that at every NO mass. That’s the thing. Every trad mass does though.
@@dannybraverman which is great, but when did that start
@@garyolsen3409 yes
Probably in the 30s-40s after the miracle of the sun
You gave me a lot to contemplate on. Thank you.
Thank you for defending our Blessed Mother
Deo Gratias. ArchBsp. Lefebvre was right.
It was good for Ireneus / It was good for Athanasius / And it's good enough for me / Gimme that old time religion, gimme that old time religion that's good enough for me
Thanks for this- it could be your best video yet! Keep the Faith- AB Lefebvre, Pray for us.
I believed the hermeneutic of continuity. Francis rejected it, clarifying the council was a rupture. If nothing else I'm thankful for that.
There is tradition and there is the traditionalist ideology. Traditional Christians exist in many many different forms, you have liturgical dances in some of the other Catholic Rites and in some you even have drums in the liturgical music... But well, I guess to be a traditional Christian you must simply follow the Latin Mass and the rubrics before the 1955 misal right? and you must follow the disciplinary decisions of popes before Vatican 2 but, which popes? well, you decide right? Confirmation was always understood as a sacrament that comes before first communion, but, who cares, there was a disciplinary change in the tradition and we all accepted it because the good popes were in charge right? any disciplinary change now is bogus bc of V2 right?
I personally attend the TLM in an SSPX Chapel with my family, but man, I am tired of traditionalists ideologs who believe they are the magisterium. Pray to God for true faith, so that you don't have to be crying because people take long in the confessional and Christ is pouring his mercy on them, maybe you can be saintly so that you don't have to go to confession...
Could you do a video on Our Lady as Co-Redeemtrix and Mediatrix ? It's certainly not talked about in the Novus Ordo but many traditionalists hold on to these doctrines.
We have only ONE mediator. No Co's
Mary is Co-Redeemtrix as she United her sufferings with Christ and worked with Christ for our redemption. It doesn’t violate Christ unique mediation of meriting redemption by his sacrifice on the cross because he is God and Man
Scott Hahn and Tim Staples's have excellent videos about this and Marian teaching in general.
Both of them are former diehard anti-catholic protestants and are now on fire Catholic apologists that know our faith very well.
@@garyolsen3409 No, we have one redeemer, who is Christ Jesus. Mary is our mediator to Christ just as Jesus is our mediator to the Father.
I believe the Franciscans were in favor of the doctrine and the Dominicans were not. I would urge prudence as if it’s not clear in the scriptures we place only another huge obstacle to Protestants and unbelievers by declaring it
I'm not even into RCIA classes yet, but I fell hard for Catholicism after a long journey from atheism to agnosticism, to Mere Christianity to protestantism and finally something I never thought I'd do - Catholicism. But I was surprised when I showed up to mass for the first time. Although it was definitely different in a good way from the baptist churches I'd known before, it felt just familiar enough to feel... watered down. This is all very new to me so I'm trying not to form opinions just yet but it seems to me that if we're to worship God and not each other, it seems odd to have the priests face us and not an altar. But I'm a neophyte, so what do I know? Anyway, your channel speaks to me and to a feeling I had but couldn't tease out. So thank you.
Never heard those council quotes before. I was appalled what it said about our Blessed Mother
I really DESPISE the term "trads"!!!!
I *wish* we didn't have to use this term - but I find we MUST use it to delineate ourselves as those who do not adhere to the false and/or grossly adulterated doctrines of Vatican II, the post-Concilliar Church, and the Novus Ordo. Only when Tradition - ALL of Tradition - is restored and all of aforesaid abolished can we return to the happy state of all being "Catholic."
@@christinevandegriend1773 Then use the terms 👉TRADITIONAL CATHOLICS, instead of "TRADS" as this is used more and more as a "STAINED" term with a NEGATIVE meaning by woke fans an other modernists!!!
@@christinevandegriend1773 I'm not Catholic, I'm Eastern Orthodox and I completely understand where you are getting at. Most of the Novus Ordo Catholics I talked to had little to no conviction in their stances when it came down to the crisis of the faith! Most of them were like: "Trads are problematic" "We can say the same for Archbishop Vignano" "Dr Taylor Marshall is bringing fear mongering into the Church" and I bluntly told them if you think Bishop Barron is the Venerable Archbishop Fulton Sheen of our times then *OH BOY* you are in deep trouble. Being good doesn't mean being nice, when our blessed Lord Jesus Christ went to the temple in Jerusalem seeing it desecrated, did he kindly tell them to leave? No... He drove them out! As a Orthodox Christian if any of you Traditionalist Catholics need help to drive out modernists and slap some heretics faster than St Nicholas did to Arius like in the good ol days, never hesitate to call on us for backup.
Christos Anesti ☦️✝️
We pray that the Church will return back to her Faith,the traditional Catholic faith and morals, every one can now see the cries of likes of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and others,about the revolution of Vatican 2 council.
Cane and Abel both sent sacrfices but both weren't pleasing to God. The New Order and the Latin Masses are both legitimate sacrifices but both aren't pleasing to God. Jesus was a perfect Jew persecuted by Jews. The traditional church is perfect Catholicism being persecuted by the Catholics. All previous councils validated existing church traditions and practices. Vatican II is the first and only council that subtracted from the existing church and replaced the majority of the practices.
When anyone or anything decides to capitulate to modernism, it is error.
1 Jn 2:15-17
Im sorry but i just came from Europe and have attended a NO mass ,it was beautiful, organ playing ,chants...i believe the problem is not NO mass but more the liberal mindset here in the United States, I also attend the english NO mass in the morning and church is half full with mostly the older generation however the afternoon mass in Spanish is jammed pack. Let us pray for the repentance of sinners for the conversion of the lost and stop the bickering amongst ourselves. Liberalism is our true enemy.
That's ignorant, the N. O. IS LIBERALISM if all you noticed was the external appearance you don't understand the crisis.
Here in Aizawl diocese, our bishop ordered that Every sunday 9:30 Rosary must be recited. And 10:00am the mass commences
The end of this video is just Wow 17:23 (touched my heart)
I'm getting confirmed this May; I'm leaving my anti catholic church; I would love to bring them all with me;
They really love Jesus Christ of Nazareth
If they could only realize that there is only one bride❤️🩹 and accept humbly their errors
I dream of an empty protestant building, and a full Catholic Church
Humbling ourselves in front of Jesus, Mary and Joseph, and be eternally grateful for confession and the Eucharist
But I'm very alone
In my own house I have to tone down my devotion 🫤 hide icons
My son is not baptize and I'm not allowed to bring him to mass with me
And the one Who is holding me, calls himself a Christian
And not to mention the process I had to go trough in order to get confirm (cringe)
It's a sad time for catholicism
Pray the rosary, confess your sin, go to mass, and bear fruits worthy of repentance
God Bless you and your family and Welcome Home!
As dysfunctional as it is right now it's the One True Church that Jesus Christ founded.
You probably already know this but keep praying the Rosary for the conversion of your family and the Blessed Virgin Mary will help you with that.
I'm 60 years old and I started praying the family Rosary around 1999 or 2000(per the suggestion of an old friend who was a convert) when my 2 boys were about 6 or 7 years old and because I wasn't grounded in my faith and I was your typical Novus Ordo watered down uniformed Catholic; I had no idea of the power of the Rosary and I gave up after only a week or 2 and I now believe that this was a grave mistake for myself , my family and my 2 boys.
@@capecodder04 God bless you 🙏♥️
Conservatism is dead, long live traditionalism
A couple months ago, someone set a fire in a side room during mass. The alarms went off right after the consecration. Fire department came, and there wasn’t any real damage, but it’s scary thinking that someone was in our church and clearly hates us. I don’t think they were caught and I worry sometimes what else they might do. We sit closer to an exit now.
The most ancient of the Trads are those in the Eastern Rites of the Roman Communion.
Traditionalism is not radical (Rad Trad). Blind adherence to the massive changes in our Lex Orandi is.
Definitely agree with the confession issues lol. Confession isn’t a conference.
It wasn't just the Mass Bugnini tinkered with. He also invalidated Holy Orders. That is the real crux of the issue.
I'm sorry, what?
He made the rite of ordination a carbon copy of the Anglican rite, which was deemed invalid by St Pope Leo XIII. You cannot however say that the post-Vatican II holy orders are invalid, because only the Pope has the authority to deem them so. However, the negative effects of the changes are perfectly clear and they are absolutely causing a large part of the apostasy we're seeing in the Church now.
Holy orders is still as valid today as it ever was.
All of the Minor Orders were completely abolished as well - tragic
@@hishamw6755 "Valid?" Yes. Stripped of all the parts that separate our Catholic rites and priests from protestant rites and ministers? Yes. The best and most powerful rite our Church can use for our priests? Absolutely not.
Love your channel. Keep it up 👍
Thank you
So, if I only have one Catholic Church near me, and they're so infected with NO / Vatican II and I prefer to experience traditional mass and practices, what do I do? Do I not go to that church, suck it up and just go? (Asking as a discerning convert-to-be).
Hi there, I'm glad that you are discerning to convert to Catholicism.
To answer your question, you still need to meet your Sunday obligation as well as continue to receive the sacrament of the Eucharist, otherwise you risk your salvation.
EWTN has an article about the Sunday obligation titled "The Obligation to Attend Mass on Sundays" if you want to know more.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church also talks about Sunday obligations in:
PART THREE
LIFE IN CHRIST
SECTION TWO
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
CHAPTER ONE
"YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND"
ARTICLE 3
7:22. This.
The novus is trying to make us Protestants. All my life I’ve had one Protestant or another try to lure me out. I always went to see what they had, and said no. They don’t have Jesus in the Blessed sacrament, and they don’t love the mother of our Savior.
But they also showed me that something is wrong in the Catholic church. And then Mother Angelica made the pieces fit.
Idk traditional Catholicism was traditionally right for 2 millennia up until 1960 so idk why anything would be different
the Third Secret... of Fatima (IN ITS TRUE FORM...) should have been released in 1960... just ask the BVM>>>> !!!!
I’m all for the TLM, but I am fortunate enough to have a diocesan TLM in a beautiful historic church. Amazingly, this parish never stopped saying the TLM. The rector is very faithful and wears a cassock. Even his NO Masses look like the TLM. That said, even with the rubrics followed perfectly, I think the NO needs revision, in my humble opinion. Why on earth would they alter such a beautiful Mass and replace it with that!
St. John Paul ll after granting the first Indult for the TLM had this to say, "The Church has a great treasury of prayers that we cannot lose". Annibale Bugninii removed 99% of the treasury of Catholic prayers.
John Paul isn’t t a true pope even less a saint.
John Paul is not a saint, he’s a heretic. Whoever deleted my comment here it is again.
No more official excommunications... except for Archbishop Lefebvre, SSPX, and Archbishop Vigano. 🤦🏻♀
Don't use the word 'trads." It's insulting. Sounds like something you would find in a river bottom. We're Catholics, or Traditional Catholics who adhere to the Roman Rite and pre conciliar teaching.
I agree with you in principle, but I think that he is using the word "trad" like the word "jesuit." Taking an enemy's insult and making it a badge of honor.
You are contradicting yourself.
@@sanjivjhangiani3243 maybe so, but I still don't like it. I'm just Catholic.
Are trads right ? Not really because they too are humans not any super humans. But traditional mass is beautiful ,Thats something coming from God and is heavenly. To my 3 year experience at traditional mass, I go there to experience and participate in the Holy mass. People are same like everywhere else has got all sort of problems like any other Catholic may be in a different way. These are two different things. One aspect
1. God providing ( always perfect)
2. Our response ( can be flawed )
We shouldn’t mix up both. God bless
There is a flaw in the premise of what trads think. Trads think it's a straight line to where we are today. The issue is that there were other ways. Latin and TLM are not the only way we've worshipped in the Mass. To be Catholic is to be traditional. It's in our 3 legs of the Church. Rad trads like a snapshot of the Church while ignoring other snapshots and times. It's closeminded.
What do you all think of the “interim mass” the missal of 1965? I’ve taken a gander at it and while I don’t claim to be an expert. I do believe it’s much better than the current Novus Ordo and actually attempts to follow Vatican II while trying to be reverent.
I recently commented on a different video, but you are aware that the decline started before the Novus Sauro so I’m not gonna bother going back to that one. I think most of the points you make here are absolutely correct. Peoples hearts beg for religiosity, they need more than just Tony Robbins. And one is either being Catholic or demonic in that regard.
I think it’s good to keep in mind though that the church is growing outside of the west . So to me, it is an implementation issue. And the problem is the lack of religiosity..
Hello. I appreciate your good cintents/videos. Can you please make a video refuting the idea that Cardinal Siri was elected pope in 1958 papal conclave? I can't find any solid repudiation of documented "evidence".
Society totally changed as well in the west. I thought the church had been growing in Africa and Asia over the past 60 years. When hard times come here in the west, saints will rise up and people will return to their faith. Obedience to the pope is key. I hope we become more traditional but I think trads are attached to the idea of solving modern problems with ritual.
We Catholics require more than just the word "valid,” as some schismatic groups mass is also valid. We need a mass that can humble us, a mass that can honor God in the best possible way, not just a valid way.
The title of your channel alone: "I Miss Christnedom" suggests something crucial. You cannot miss, or long for something that you have. I couldn't claim that "I miss my family" if I would be among them right that moment. Affirming something like this would be considered as very weird, odd, and out of place. Maybe I would be regarded as someone crazy.
It brings me back the memory of that quote by John Paul 2:
"John Paul II, Homily, Dec. 5, 1996, speaking of prayer with non-Catholics: “When we pray together, we do so with the longing ‘that there may be one visible Church of God, a Church truly universal and sent forth to the whole world that the world may be converted to the Gospel and so be saved, to the glory of God’ (Unitatis Redintegratio, 1.).”"
John Paul II, which I regard as one of the most notorious antipopes is also longing that "THERE MAY BE" (suggesting that there is NOT) "one visible Church of God, a Church truly universal". This is the claim to miss something that I should represent as a highest jurisdiction on the earth. This is very telling, and this should give you some food for thought.
Praying in assemblies with non-Catholics (doesn't matter if with Protestants, or pagans) has been condemned by Pope Pius XI in Mortalium Animos.
I believe in one, visible, universal Church of God - the Catholic Church.
I was born in the darkness of the eclipse of the Church that even someone regarded as "Pope" affirmed that it (the Church) doesn't yet exist, and prayer with heretics, and unbelievers of all kinds is an expression of longing that it may exist.
It exists, because each confessor of the true Faith of Rome constitutes visible member of the Church. Traditions of the Church are beautiful, but I am not here for Trad-alone, but for Truth-alone, and nothing but the truth. And as truth cannot contradict itself, I believe in one Infallible Magisterium represented by true Popes, and I reject clear contradictors of such Magisterium which "gates of hell" (disputations of heretics) will never prevail.
This is among many other reasons why Sedevacantists are right.
Christ be with you Trads!
Was it God's fault at 1/3 of the angels rebelled against Heaven? Was it Christ's fault that Judas rebelled and the disciples scattered when he was arrested? Correlation and coincidence do not necessitate causation.
Yes, that’s true,Bugnini what is the grand architect pun intended. Revising the traditional Latin mass. I suggest anyone who wants to understand what this man has done get the book. Annibale Bugnini reformer of the liturgy by Yves Chiron. It’s an excellent book. And it’s just under 200 pages. Thank you very much. Enjoy the program as usual and God bless.
Imagine trying to use the label "rad trad" as a pejorative, as if radical obedience to the historic teachings of the Catholic Church is a bad thing. But I guess it is a bad thing to those who reject tradition.
Novus ordo adorientam is the future of the Catholic church
The novus ordo, ad orientem in Latin was what Cardinal Ottaviani expressed grave concerns about regarding validity and offering God false worship, in 1969, just before it was published.
Dress the new mass up or down anyway you like. It’s not a propitiatory sacrifice, which is the fundamental, essential doctrine of the Traditional Mass.
A lot of the anti trad sentiment comes from Protestant converts to the Novus Ordo. The Novus Ordo resembles the Protestant services they grew up with and when they see the TLM they lash out because they don’t want to go back to that and lose their Protestant way of worship. They also left Protestantism in the expectation that they would escape division. It is for that reason they view anyone who doesn’t blindly obey every breath that comes from a man wearing a Roman collar as being a schismatic and a “Protestant”.
This is wrong guys. The implementation of Vatican 2 could still be poor apart from the documents
Its funny to saw on intro Church of Visitation of the Blessed Virgin Mary of St. Elizabeth at Saint-Petersburg
They are right but, they must obey the Pope. Which they don't do anymore. So, they are wrong.
Traditional Latin mass is still allowed except some bishops are not allowing them in their archdiocese. So what are Traditional Catholics wrong about again?🤔
"We have to be wrong for them to be right💪"
In the garden, the enemy understood that one sin would undo all of perfect creation. In the modern age, the enemy understood that out of thousands of pages of 'doctrine' published around the time of the Vat 2 council, only one error was needed to undo the fullness of truth on which the church based her authority to call all people to conversion and would lead the future church into deep disorder. That is what happened to the church. The first error led to more errors and is the reason for the decline in conversions, the mass exodus and the disorder of the modern church. If the church is not the fullness of truth, then there is no reason to be a part of the church and one faith is as good as another. The solution, therefore, would be to find the first error and for the leaders of the church to publicly admit their fault and correct the error. The modern church has lost its faith and the method to restoration is the same as it has always been...admit the mistake and ask God for forgiveness.
Can the Church promulgate errors on her teachings of Faith and Morals? If not, would that mean that the church that ratified the heretical council of Vatican II and the so-called new mass has defected, which is not possible according the the promise of Christ Himself?
Like Protestant?
Sorry if this is a dumb question (im new to Catholicism as I've only gone to mass a few times but I think I want to convert from Protestant to Catholic) but you kind of made it sound like there are still churches that do the old ways before the 2nd Vatican Counsel. Is that true and if so how would I find one that does? Thank you in advance to any who reply
It’s called the traditional Latin Mass, the old rite, or the Tridentine Rite. You can find these with the FSSP, some parishes do an old rite Mass or the SSPX. I sometimes go to FSSP Latin Mass. They have a website that tells their locations. You can do an internet search for Latin Mass too. The gospel and homily are done in vernacular (English in my case) but all the rest is in Latin. The sung Mass has Gregorian chant, the low Mass does not have any singing
You can attend TLM (look on Google map for latin mass)
Or attend an Ordinariate (traditional mass said in English)
Or attend an eastern catholic church (byzantine, ukrainian, marionite, Greek, coptic, etc)
You are the only Trad that I really respect. Thanks for the Video.
Only protestants hanging out on this channel.
The question MUST be rhetorical.
Hey, I've been watching your videos and have saved some for later.
I'm Iranian (23yo), so I can't convert here, or I'll die (at best, jailed for a decade, tortured and shunned). But that's not the problem; churches won't baptise muslim borns because they'll get shut down by the regime and the people involved will be persecuted. I have contacted the very few churches under Catholicism in Iran but they won't do it out of that fear. I still pray the rosary everyday (found a simple wooden rosary after a long search in the city) and study Catholic teachings and saints in any way I can (internet, ebooks, history of the Church, etc.) I plan to get baptized in a Catholic church if I get the chance to live in a free country. I also study the Marian apparitions.
My question is this: what do you think? I can't get baptized by a Catholic priest, I can't go to confession, I can't attend the Mass, I fall short in every sacrament even though I know them to be true and I know the Catholic Church is the One Church Christ Himself founded on Earth.
I know I can't claim to be a Catholic and I'm not; but it would be good to hear your opinion because from what I've seen, you have a pretty good knowledge of Catholicism.
It would be nice if you answered me❤
God bless you for recognizing and embracing the One and Only Apostolic Faith, the Catholic faith! I'm sorry to hear your country sucks so much that they don't even allow Muslims to be Baptized. I didn't know it was that bad. But you don't need to worry about whether or not you are legitimately a "Catholic" if you're not Baptized. This causes despair and we need to avoid becoming hopeless at all costs. Look up "Baptism of Desire" for a deeper understanding. *Recent doctrinal development has made clear that it is possible for one to receive baptism of desire by an implicit desire. This is the principle that makes it possible for non-Christians to be saved. If they are genuinely committed to seeking and living by the truth, then they are implicitly committed to seeking Jesus Christ and living by his commands; they just don’t know that he is the Truth they’re seeking (cf. John 14:6).* I would, however, continue to seek for a Catholic Church that will help you to receive the Sacraments as soon as possible. Don't give up on your search and getting to know the Catholic faith better! 🙏
@@agnusdeiii that helped me a lot. Thank you. I'm lucky to have such good brothers and sisters in the faith.
I agree the baptism of desire doctrine is true. And receiving the blessed Eucharist spiritually. If you watch Catholic masses on UA-cam during the consecration ordinary bread and wine is changed into the actual body and blood of our Lord Jesus. Called transsubstantiation. Usually there is a prayer posted for those not in attendance. You can say that prayer of spiritual communion. Since you are not Catholic and haven't received first communion I'm not sure how all that works. Maybe the desire to receive is all that is required since your in a country where Catholicism is illegal. It is no fault of your own. Bless you❤✝️🙏 Maybe someone else here has more knowledge regarding spiritual communion.I hope so.
@@Murlo. Thank you for the information. Appreciate it🙏🏻♥️
@@Shayan.junior how is it going
I am not Catholic nor do I believe the Catholic Church is God's church, but this was a very interesting video. I appreciate the history lesson about your church.
I never realized what a big deal The Vatican 2 was before I saw this.
Whats your thoughts on baptism through intent? I don't believe in it because the dogma is very clear one must be catholic to be saved. Also Jesus was very clear in the bible about baptism.
Do you mean baptism by desire?
@@capecodder04 yes
It's a heretical teaching and the way it's taught today departs significantly from what was implied by those who quote those scholars and early fathers
As a brand new Catholic, who admittedly has not researched this topic, how is this not saying that Jesus Christ is no longer leading His Church in truth? Isn’t it saying that the Spirit left the Church after Vatican 2? How can you reconcile feeling this way and still claim that the Church will not fail? (Not being disrespectful. I was raised believing that true Christians were oppressed by the Catholic Church but that Christ still led them, albeit invisibly and as a minority. This seems like the Catholic version of Baptist successionism). And, yes, I have been to a Traditional Latin Mass. It was beautiful but it means nothing to me when I can’t understand the language.
The Church Is Indefectible.
Even if there is only one Catholic left, The Church Remains.
That some infiltrators hold things hostage does not change The Faith.
I guess what I'm saying nothing is Promised to be easy.
The conflict Purifies Us Ultimately.
I like you very much, thank God for you
The issue with saying that people in Catjolic countries cannot practice their own peculiar faiths is that if freedom of religion is abolished, majority protestant countries (like the USA) would have the capacity to surpress catholic worship. Its happened before. Without freedom of religious choice, many americans might not be catholic at all
The Catholic position is this: only the Catholic religion enjoys that right
Protestants do not have the right under God to do that
V2 screwed everyone and everything up
There is also the Oriental/ Eastern Catholic which is also traditional.
Syriac and Coptic to name two.
What makes this any better than the protestant reformation. What this is telling me that if I don’t agree with the Church then I’m Ok to start a new church. You mention that the Mass has been the same since the 6th century. Why don’t you look back to Justin Martyr where actually VII went back to him which explained the way mass was to be done, he was the 1st Century. The truths you speak are that, your truth. I pray for the souls you are pulling away from the one true Church.
@scottritz7520 ..I'm sorry he has a point, if you disagree with the Catholic church and refuse to honor it you might as well start your own religion. I say it respectfully this makes no different than what Martin Luther did in the reformation.
@@scottritz7520So you are saying God set up the church for 1900 years so that it can fail the next 100. In other words the gates of hell finally prevaied against it, Intresting. I have news for you the Church had been infiltrated by evil from the very beginning remember Judas? Let's not forget all the antipopes, crusades, inquisition, molestation I can go on. The Latin Mass is a beautiful liturgy but in no way invalidates the NO. Your way of thinking actually is causing division. Think about it, the problem is not NO but more the liberal mindset that has infiltrated our society in general, also let me remind you that the Latin Mass was not the form of worship in early Christianity it was preached in its vanacular form, and guess what? The Eucharist was taken by hand. Ultimately if you claim to be catholic then you have to trust that the Holy Spirit is guiding the Church and if you take issue with the liturgy then write to your bishop and let him know but stop spreading division.
I Miss Christendom NEVER does anything BUT THE VERY BEST. Kudos to the BEST CATHOLIC UA-cam SITE.
Thank you very much
What do you think of Russian Orthodoxy? The country clearly is anti-western degeneracy and upholds Christian values. They just built Russian military cathedral and seem to be the closest thing resembling the monarchal Christendom you want. Even if you don’t like what I said. For the sake of my country I hope your traditional catholic movement gains traction :) ☦️
“Mary is hardly ever talked about”?? What are you on about, can you stop lying? I hear about Mary almost every week, we celebrate all the feast days, my church prays the rosary every day. Your statements about confession are false as well, there are long lines and they go fairly fast.
No Trad can exist by himself. One Trad cannot shift a whole community of Novos.
Trads might be right, but to assume that the Church would not decline after the 1960s is pretty naive...