Mara this Judge lacks logic maahn... he's version of how busy the garage was at the time is plain stupid... all these events happened when were were on level 4 Lockdown during Covid times... nx! He is so hellbent on leading and agreeing with Baloyi without being impartial 4:28 nx. I HOPE THE DEFENCE TEAM WILL REBUTT THIS BS VERSION KA JUDGE
I feel like the defence let the accused person’s down. They could have called the doctor to comment on Ntazi’s health, heart conditions etc. They could have also called a family member or friend to talk about the scars on his face. They could have called a fellow mine employee etc
My Lecturer in a Litigation Skills class once said " if you cant persuade a judge in your written arguments in just 10 pages, then how can you in 100 pages?" 50 pages of heads in trial within trial? 😂😂
You can not shy away from the fact that this trial within a trial had so many witnesses over 30 if I recall. This is not a shoplifting nor assault case which are normal straight forward cases
My brother was once assaulted by police officers that he didn't have any visible injuries. The court didn't believe him until one of the police officers confessed before he passed away that he wanted to apologise to my brother and all the people he had wronged.
Indeed the police knows in court they will believe their story after, Judges and Magistrate prosecutor as well they that is what happened but they turn their blind eyes just to convict the accused
So ?🤷🏾♂️who cares after all he did confess and point things that are true ..and clearly true ! You whr once moered when you wher Yong until you talk the truth let’s just put law aside a little bid …
The state's closing argument 👌 Adv. George Baloyi covered all the essential evidence that proves the confessions and poiting outs were done voluntarily. He managed to also show loopholes in the Heads of argument submitted by the defence . A seasoned advocate for the prosecution ❤
@sibusisobrian5038 he actually said a lot about the AVL. For example how the AVL supports that the Toyota fortuner was parked at Engel garage from 19h00 on the 18 June 2020 until early hours of the 19th,... most of the points he argued were supported by the AVL report.
In this case we needed a Young judge who will put the puzzles together cause clearly this old Ratha is confusing matters he can't even separate story sika accuse 1 and 2. Yoh liyanyanyisa le khehla eli biased. Weater he admits those confessions the public knows the truth.and what annoys me kakhulu to they busy him and Baloyi claiming that its justice for the public nxxxx 🤬🤬🤬🤬. really killers are walking amongst us while they want to keep innocent ppl in this case im jail 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬to you baloi and ratha
Adv G Baloyi is covering important aspects of the trial within a trial even if he has read more that 10 pages ...what he says resonates with the evidence led and the remarks from the judge on certain aspects tells me that he is following well what Adv Baloyi is saying.7/3/2024
You sound excited by Baloyi's articulation on heads of arguments, you seem to forget that the defense counsels are yet to run through theirs. At that point you may compare and say what you have said here above. For now, hold your observations back and allow time to pass
@Themba I stand with you on this one. He was even making reference to submissions made by the defense in their Heads of argument. My opinion is that he buried their case with points he raised. A very seasoned advocate that one ❤
Mazisebenze izinkantolo zase Mnzantsi Africa. Zizenobulungisa. Uma benganacala mabadedelwe, kanti uma benecala mabohlwaywe. Simubonile uRatha engayivumeli video eyaqoshwa ngokungekho semthethweni.
if ntanzi wanted to talk on his free will why whould gininda put 9 police to go with ntanzi who is willing to be arrested for what he wants to tell them
Inasmuch as I want to believe that the accused are innocent but there a lot that is a lot of discrepancies eg how do you point a crime scene if you were not the participant, surely pointing out comes with the entire plan, secondly why should Ntanzi say he was home doing membeso ceremony yet it was not so, 3rd the Capitec Bank Statement
@@Wele1012 If you remember what number 1 said about pointing out you will not ask that question. He said he never directed the driver he was driven to a place and directed on where to face and where to point.
What if he just used it as a ploy to escape. They believed he was a dangerous criminal who work with a group of criminals. There has been many cases where suspects tried or escaped police custody. He could have led them into an ambush. So their protocol woukd be high level of security. Better safe than sorry.
Well done mr Vaseline. U r so brilliant nd yo heads of arguments are straight to the point. Cant wait to listen to Mngo heads of argument that guy doesn't understand the law🤣🤣🤣🤣
If Ntanzi was going to do confessions freely and voluntarily why was he taken to 2 peace officers Colonel Raphadu did the confessions of Ntanzi? Judge Cronje did the confessions of Ntanzi? Kuzushikishu Fudu soon
Mara this Judge lacks logic maahn... he's version of how busy the garage was at the time is plain stupid... all these events happened when were were on level 4 Lockdown during Covid times... nx! He is so hellbent on leading and agreeing with Baloyi without being impartial 4:28 nx. I HOPE THE DEFENCE TEAM WILL REBUTT THIS BS VERSION KA JUDGE
Now you're saying because of Covid people didn't move around. This Nkabis lied to us, very clear!
I feel like the defence let the accused person’s down. They could have called the doctor to comment on Ntazi’s health, heart conditions etc. They could have also called a family member or friend to talk about the scars on his face. They could have called a fellow mine employee etc
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Baloi, you are heartless adv, you'll be published mark my words, where is mahumela,basob baba
Monaster
I wonder when will this come to an end?
My Lecturer in a Litigation Skills class once said " if you cant persuade a judge in your written arguments in just 10 pages, then how can you in 100 pages?" 50 pages of heads in trial within trial? 😂😂
You can not shy away from the fact that this trial within a trial had so many witnesses over 30 if I recall. This is not a shoplifting nor assault case which are normal straight forward cases
Your lecture was probably referring to those simple cases
😂😂clearly you didn’t understand your lecturer .most probably you must have failed your lessons didn’t you
He has to engage the different counsels rebuttals. The more rebuttals they & the client make the more he has to cover.
The suspect in your lecture case was probably a minor. Not izinkabi.
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the Judge and the prosecutor on the same side
They are both corrupt
Its allegedly that Baloyi and Chicco are siblings can Ntanzis and Sibiyas family demands DNA of these two.
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How can someone who is claiming to have been assaulted by the police be expected to report to the same police who are assaulting him?
This is just a waste of time to listern to the court procedings bcos this old man is already captured by baloi ghininda nd chicco
My brother was once assaulted by police officers that he didn't have any visible injuries. The court didn't believe him until one of the police officers confessed before he passed away that he wanted to apologise to my brother and all the people he had wronged.
Indeed the police knows in court they will believe their story after, Judges and Magistrate prosecutor as well they that is what happened but they turn their blind eyes just to convict the accused
How many police officers n how many times just asking
I believe you, coz i know it from apartheid time; they called such assault "binne kualé" inner injuries
VELE THEY WERE ASSAULTED AND SO IS MTHO THWALA BUT HE NEVER CHANGED HIS STORY
Ratha is something else he can't even hide his feelings about this case. He put words into Baloyi's Mouth
True
It's not putting words into Baloyi's mouth😂 it's called the court engaging counsel. The court will also engage the defense, as they argue their case
When Ntanzi was narrating the story of a plastic bag put in his head, my brother said he is believing him because that's what happened to them.
So ?🤷🏾♂️who cares after all he did confess and point things that are true ..and clearly true ! You whr once moered when you wher Yong until you talk the truth let’s just put law aside a little bid …
@@SonOfTheSoil834uyahlanya wena. They must do it to you and come back here and tell us Le nonsense oyishoyo manje
@@SwaziTshabalala-zp4by That's hearsay 🤔🤣🤣🤣
Hes busy claiming uyamamele yena, umamela inyongo🤬🤬🤬🤬
The state's closing argument 👌
Adv. George Baloyi covered all the essential evidence that proves the confessions and poiting outs were done voluntarily. He managed to also show loopholes in the Heads of argument submitted by the defence .
A seasoned advocate for the prosecution ❤
he said nothing about AVL evidence
@sibusisobrian5038 he actually said a lot about the AVL. For example how the AVL supports that the Toyota fortuner was parked at Engel garage from 19h00 on the 18 June 2020 until early hours of the 19th,... most of the points he argued were supported by the AVL report.
Manje ratha usesithathamanje isinqumo nakhu engasawabon ama possibility wokuthi ashawa abafana egarag😂😂 lelikhehl jesu
😂Baloi ulwa ngish eselelephansi ozankosi bake benza kuban waba nemigqa engath eyewashi ay baloi ndoda lwana kodua ekugcinin iqiniso Lizovela uyaphakath uzosho mase kuboshwe wena ukuth ngath iwashi
South African justice system is a joke. Worse with that grandpa who's un useful
In this case we needed a Young judge who will put the puzzles together cause clearly this old Ratha is confusing matters he can't even separate story sika accuse 1 and 2.
Yoh liyanyanyisa le khehla eli biased. Weater he admits those confessions the public knows the truth.and what annoys me kakhulu to they busy him and Baloyi claiming that its justice for the public nxxxx 🤬🤬🤬🤬. really killers are walking amongst us while they want to keep innocent ppl in this case im jail 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬to you baloi and ratha
Adv G Baloyi is covering important aspects of the trial within a trial even if he has read more that 10 pages ...what he says resonates with the evidence led and the remarks from the judge on certain aspects tells me that he is following well what Adv Baloyi is saying.7/3/2024
You sound excited by Baloyi's articulation on heads of arguments, you seem to forget that the defense counsels are yet to run through theirs. At that point you may compare and say what you have said here above. For now, hold your observations back and allow time to pass
That in itself doesn't do away with the fact that G.Baloyi articulates important aspects of the case in a case within a trial
@Themba I stand with you on this one. He was even making reference to submissions made by the defense in their Heads of argument. My opinion is that he buried their case with points he raised.
A very seasoned advocate that one ❤
The confessions will be admitted. 8/3/2024
Yeah the states case is very well articulated
I just love this Mr interpreter more especially he is respective of everyone he pardons with respect.
He is supposed to be my husband ❤❤
In the words of a wise man, "it's a f***d up situation for the defence "...
10/03/2024
Defense let's show the statw how corrupt they are...!!!
Ukhona umuntu ungavuma kalula nje ukuthi ubulele laba bangazo dlala ngathi ayikho lento e submit ngu Baloi umbhedo nje.
Yabon lobhuti ne ratha lakhe 🤞kudlalwa ngabany
Mazisebenze izinkantolo zase Mnzantsi Africa. Zizenobulungisa. Uma benganacala mabadedelwe, kanti uma benecala mabohlwaywe. Simubonile uRatha engayivumeli video eyaqoshwa ngokungekho semthethweni.
aiy uDlakadla ukhuphuke kakhulu la
if ntanzi wanted to talk on his free will why whould gininda put 9 police to go with ntanzi who is willing to be arrested for what he wants to tell them
Idefencer ayikusho lokhu kuma argument wabo
Inasmuch as I want to believe that the accused are innocent but there a lot that is a lot of discrepancies eg how do you point a crime scene if you were not the participant, surely pointing out comes with the entire plan, secondly why should Ntanzi say he was home doing membeso ceremony yet it was not so, 3rd the Capitec Bank Statement
Exactly
@@Wele1012
If you remember what number 1 said about pointing out you will not ask that question. He said he never directed the driver he was driven to a place and directed on where to face and where to point.
What if he just used it as a ploy to escape. They believed he was a dangerous criminal who work with a group of criminals. There has been many cases where suspects tried or escaped police custody. He could have led them into an ambush. So their protocol woukd be high level of security. Better safe than sorry.
Manje Judge ulokhu ekhalisa okwe mpongo why?
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Rata is our enemy guys more than both Baloyi and Gininda combined
the judge will not consider the defences heads then he will be reviewed and so on
Waw my Judge already see no sense on the version of the accused
Ninjani kwenzekani azikhale bo
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He covers the question of an OB from Eracton because he doesn't have it.
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Morning family
INPRINTS BY A WATCH CAN NOT LAST TO THIS DAY ADV BALOYI BE HONEST...YOU A CAUGHT THAT IS ALL. WHERE ARE THOSE CLOTHES????
😂😂Uyazilwela ubaloyi ngamangaa Kodu ekugcineni Lizovela iqiniso. Mele naye agqoke ozankosi asitshele kuth ngath iwash
😂😂😂 really. Everyone with a watch would ne having those imprints
Also today Mr blue seal is still reading the bible
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And he is making sense and to me he is dismantling the defense
Yes, he reads the bible written by accused no.1
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@@bulelanitom6967can u say this again. Mgo is not his size😂😂😂
Well done mr Vaseline. U r so brilliant nd yo heads of arguments are straight to the point. Cant wait to listen to Mngo heads of argument that guy doesn't understand the law🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yhooo kwaze kwanzima ke kuwe ma ucabanga kanjlo shame ziseningi idomu la ngaphandle shame
@@KhanyiNalamy words exactly..😅😅
You are laughing at your own misunderstanding of the law...
Aibo to say Mngomezulu doesn't understand the law?? Awupake Mr R350 haw!!
1 day uyokhala ngoba lokhu kuba brilliant kwakhe okuncomoyo kuyokwenzeka kumuntu osondelene nawe yilapho oyibona khona ukuthi unhloboni yomuntu Vaselina wakho lona omncomayo
If Ntanzi was going to do confessions freely and voluntarily why was he taken to 2 peace officers
Colonel Raphadu did the confessions of Ntanzi?
Judge Cronje did the confessions of Ntanzi?
Kuzushikishu Fudu soon
❤❤❤❤❤❤😂Mngo,Ziyakhala manje
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