This Mgomezulu is quality, yoh can criticize him all you want. The man is not reading at all, he's talking from the knowledge and facts as they are. Wow
Ratha is very smart. He is very intelligent. He allow you to say anything and everything that you want to say even if it doesnt help your client. Coz at the end of the day. He will make the judgement based on what is relevent
This 5 abanodabula. They will be found guilty. The defence team have nothing to work with. The accused have no defence against the state's witness. A guilty verdict or not guilty verdict sometimes doesnt mean that what is said happen or didnt happen.
What a smart man-aka-HARD DRIVE he knows his story flowing like a river touching all important points,everything is imprinted in his mind not reading a bible🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥!PLEASE Rams and others dont mess what Mngooo built,stay safe beloveds til Monday be SOBER 💋
Mngomezulu did nothing to help his client today. He never done enough to prevent the confession to be admissible in court. The judge will rule against the defence. The confession will be read in court.
Even though he is leading his client straight to a guilty judgement once the trial within a trial finish. Mngomezulu and the other defence team members, will lose this case
The judge was extremely happy listening, exchanging and even assisting Baloyi but now, he's annoyed I can tell u. He just HATES the defence with passion.
@@gugundimandenare7969Wena khona into e wrong ekhanda lakho, uphika ngisho into esiybonayo kwi TV ngoba ufuna uku sider nabantu who dismally failed to prove beyond a reasonable. You went as far as saying aka washo ama facts uMngomezulu meanwhile he was qouting the relevant acts and cases phambikwethu. Khona kungekho kahle ekhanda kuwe Akekho umuntu o reasoner kanjena.
Advocate Baloyi came with huge files and was reading through out his argument submissions whilst Advocate Mngomezulu came prepared, everything came from his head. This shows how much intelligent, wise and experienced Mngomezulu is. He is so smart, patient and great. Great Heads submitted. Hats off Mngo
😂Well done king mgomezulu,even baloi is humbled 😂😂😂😂,I see an interesting trial coming,Judge Ratha has no choice but to find confessions were obtained with duress,and forcefully so,torture no food,hand cuffs,not taken to court within 48 hours,Victorious character Mjiyakho,appointed by who?😅😂
For me Mngomezulu poked so many holes in state evidence than Baloyi. So to those who say Mngomezulu did nothing. You can see which side they're all a long. As for me I still maintain that these guys have got nothing to do with Senzo meyiwa murder case.
But also heard his family member hired Mjiyakho on his behalf. If he was not happy with him why blame the State instead of engaging with his own family.
Wena Ratha you think that it is ok to ignore that the accused did not wash for days and had to relate that to the magistrate who did not even say anything about a person denied a bath in his presence. And the magistrate said nothing to that effect. To you that was normal, sies! You are cruel maan khehla ndini!
Gininda already linked KK to the 5 accused. Wait for the case to unfold. You'll be shocked that other people who were in the house were also made to believe that it was a robbery and had no knowledge that it was a planned hit.
Ratha is defending his colleague Mjiyako he knows him very well, they are all together in this, if he can't see he is going to jail together with his Baloyi and Gininda the brigadier
Seriously, which case is the state dealing with Robbery gone wrong or a hit. Why were the suspects arrested for to be charged 4 months down the line with a case of a hit
It's dynamics of investigation. at the time when the statement was made allegations were different was that of a hit. So as the investigation unfold new evidence comes out. So they is nothing wrong with that. Gininda is a professional. He aline his statement with what was happening at that time. He knew on those statements that the gun was not a revolver but a pistol but he was not going to state his view without the backup of 212 Affidavit from the ballistic so he sticks to what the ppl inside the house has observed. Should he stated on his Affidavit that it was a pistilol he should have bben in trouble now as he was not and expect in firearms. So the statement is in line with what was happening at that time Kelly was a suspect but after NPA decided not to prosecute 6 individual but 5. It was not his dicision but that of the NPA. So he is indeed an standout police dictedtive. not a street dictedtive. He know how the law is applied In all aspects.
@@zwelimkhize3071You need to consult Google and look up the word professional. There is nothing professional about how this whole case was investigated.
That is what I have been asking, what was the role of Mjiyako in that court, no statement qouted from him by the presiding officer, and why would an accused/suspect not tell his lawyer that he did not bath, or why was that problem not related by Mjiyako himself to the
Because he is only terminated in front of the court or judge.. But behind the scenes they are still there and working together to bring down ginida and his partners in crime..
The defence is holding this trial within a trial with a straw, remember the statement were made voluntarily by the defence's to their witness, ....Up.to so far Mngomezulu is all over the show to dispute the statements...
How can you say the statement was made voluntarily while the accused were abused, have you ever being assulted by the police whereby you accept for something never done?
@@sindiswamabunda5627..It seems like you and Kabelo are suffering from an Artificial Deficiencies Hypertensional Disorder...I don't blame you for supporting Adv Mngomezulu's articulation...Democracy projects you guys to that....😂😂😂😂😂😂
The professional judge don’t do this showing his judgement before his verdict meaning his guilty and already made his decision but after mngomezulu submission he felt threatened being as unfair judge as always be
Ratha expects the defence to prove beyond reasonable doubt, when that is the onusof the state, excellent point Mngoms, it was the state that was suppose to bring Mjiyako to witness.
Thinking Mngomezulu did a great job is the funniest thing I’ve heard this week. The man has done very little to place doubt on the states case regarding the confessions. He delved too much into the case in its entirety instead of confined matters of the confessions.
Exactly. Instead he's made the state's case even stronger. His closing argument is all over the place. And mostly it's got nothing to do with the trial within a trial which is about the admissability of the confessions. He had to be reminded several times. Very weak.
It's important that you go read the requirements that are Needed for a statement to be admissible. The fact that cronjie conceded that she was afraid it's a lopewhole and he doesn't have to prove his client case beyond reasonable doubt. He only needs to create a single doubt and he goes home to celebrate. Which he already dd
@@matomewaynemehlape5974 Let’s not argue the obvious. Even if the court was to believe that Cronje and everyone in that room was scared, Ntanzi’s version is that he did not give a confession on the day in question, he only signed the documents because HE THOUGHT IT WAS FOR HIM TO GET A BATH, not because he was afraid of heavily armed policemen.
Is this judge RATHA the very same judge that we all relying to him that one day this court is going to come to the finalization of this case so he put up his judgement so the family of Senzo Meyiwa and the whole country gets justice for Senzo Ratha seem he is all about who knows the law better than who as he would keep on quoting 1960s law enforcements and boosting about his experience on this bench this is not the lectures classes now he can do better than all this I hope this court gets all the facts of who killed Senzo Meyiwa its been 10 years now this case is overdue weather these accused before this court are guilty or not we all hoping for the fair judgement by arresting the right people it can all happen if this court would unveil all these cover ups and twists we hoping all these investigators,judges,colonels,sergeants,brigadiers,witnesses,including eye witnesses,police ministers advocates etc all these people knows the law and its protocols but they haven't found who killed Senzo yet..this is really exhausting what Senzo Meyiwa did bathong its sad for his family.
Ramosepili is always used to dispel the defence opinions, the "I have seen the highlights and notes" consideration in a minutes of paging the judge files is a typical example of that
He is busy applying his mind while he gets an opportunity.Nb he does not need to listen to the interpreter interpreting the long session they all just had it is not for his benefit only for wasteing time interpreting what the accused do understand anyways. So he is using his time wisely.
Watching from Botswana but what I can say is Advocate Mgomezulu is top notch
But he is arguing on technicalities not the confession, the AVLs etc are not proving much
@@gugundimandenare7969 That will be decided by the court not us
This Mgomezulu is quality, yoh can criticize him all you want. The man is not reading at all, he's talking from the knowledge and facts as they are. Wow
Hey he's not reading but he remembers everything date and times and places❤❤❤❤
U Drwamazinyo uhlangnaphi nomzimba?
U Ntanzi aka sue I State.
But akusho ukuthi amaphoyisa abhala u ocorence book iliqiniso.
Umbuso uyacela note that they buy I Judge ngesitayela ,ababoshwe bonke, kuyiwe kwa Kelly Khumalo😅 nababekhona bapheywe baboshwe qha.
🎉mngomezulu is very powerful he held the state by it's balls today!!
Yes yes yes congrats MNGOMS
Hello ADVOCATE MNGOMEZULU... I bambe kanjalo 👊👊.
Mngo can argue with ratha all day till he keeps quite 😂
Aibo and he keeps his cool in the process😂
This is the mngooooo l know...😂😂😂😂
Ratha is very smart. He is very intelligent. He allow you to say anything and everything that you want to say even if it doesnt help your client. Coz at the end of the day. He will make the judgement based on what is relevent
This thabo is against the defense
@@NiphoMakhanya-hk8mtmnisi is the coolest and mngo true can keep his cool shame ratha lo uzomelwa inhliziyo
Khuphuka Mngomezulu ngithembe wena usindise izingane zabantu ezingabulalanga
This 5 abanodabula. They will be found guilty. The defence team have nothing to work with. The accused have no defence against the state's witness.
A guilty verdict or not guilty verdict sometimes doesnt mean that what is said happen or didnt happen.
Ngonezulu said Mnyayako is nobody to the defense. 😂😂😂😂😂😂. Ratha was put to his place
😂😂😂😂😂
I liked when he said maybe it was Ntanzi style to look down and keep quiet after Ratha said It was Mjiyakho's style to keep quiet
What a smart man-aka-HARD DRIVE he knows his story flowing like a river touching all important points,everything is imprinted in his mind not reading a bible🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥!PLEASE Rams and others dont mess what Mngooo built,stay safe beloveds til Monday be SOBER 💋
🕺🍻🍺🥂🍾
@@Dinols haha i said be SOBER 😲
@@mrsboingotlopolitebucksch4682 we are thirsty 🫣
@@mrsboingotlopolitebucksch4682 we are thirsty
Haibo Mngomenzulu was moping with the state mos 😢...so this guys was not reading anything but telling the state 😮
Mngomezulu did nothing to help his client today. He never done enough to prevent the confession to be admissible in court.
The judge will rule against the defence. The confession will be read in court.
@@thaboshabangu then we are following a different case me and you
Straight and this are just minor aspects that he is going to argue about more is still coming
Mngomezulu looked confused
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Baba wethu Mngomezulu siyakuthanda thina
Even though he is leading his client straight to a guilty judgement once the trial within a trial finish. Mngomezulu and the other defence team members, will lose this case
@@thaboshabanguweeeee zungu khuzeka 😂😂😂😂
@thaboshabanguzungu wish the defense to lose which is not going to happen mngomezulu is doing very well here even Ratha agrees with him
@@khanyilekhanyile436 u zungu uphethwe ngumona kanti akayaz umona awuzomsa ndawo into entle iyanconywa
Angithi ubala nami lapho💃💃💃
Free Ntanzi ,arrest Kelly
Hamba nabo Mngo
If the magistrate herself felt threatened how about the arrested person who to make confessions ….1st time I hear Mgomezulu trying very hard 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
Tjho😮 I rest my case, Adv Mgomezulu talked without reading anything. He just code. He still knows dates and names well done ADVOCATE0❤
Best lawyer ever seen before 🎉🎉❤❤
All aspects of this trial within a trial.Job well done Mgo.
The judge was extremely happy listening, exchanging and even assisting Baloyi but now, he's annoyed I can tell u. He just HATES the defence with passion.
Yey you can say it again!😅
Not true, support without bias please,, be objective, don’t see things that are not there
@@gugundimandenare7969Wena khona into e wrong ekhanda lakho, uphika ngisho into esiybonayo kwi TV ngoba ufuna uku sider nabantu who dismally failed to prove beyond a reasonable. You went as far as saying aka washo ama facts uMngomezulu meanwhile he was qouting the relevant acts and cases phambikwethu. Khona kungekho kahle ekhanda kuwe Akekho umuntu o reasoner kanjena.
Ths case is soo addictive 😢😩🤕#soifeel!...yeeeey best stories got no writers 🙌,but the sad part is soo many lives are affected,,,
Long time waiting dis moment🎉
N me 2
Well done Mgo 👏 Yuu Ratha trying to distract you,you kept your cool .
Siyacwila iState, kuyaphela ngaso
I wish that was true but I don't trust this judge
Yes labantu abanacala
Angeke kuphele cause this stupid fudge is on their side mara we all can see the is no case against the accused
Lol the judge trying to intimidate mango by showing them his notes😂😂😂😂
I was surprised. Like Moloi ga a tswareile
They didn't bother to go through those 30000 pages as he claim 🤣🤣🤣
Mngomezulu 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Advocate Baloyi came with huge files and was reading through out his argument submissions whilst Advocate Mngomezulu came prepared, everything came from his head. This shows how much intelligent, wise and experienced Mngomezulu is. He is so smart, patient and great. Great Heads submitted. Hats off Mngo
😂😂😂siyakhala indeed Ratha scratching head
Baba Mngomezulu🔥🔥
1928 ngimfisela konke okubi emhlabeni, this judge is too cruel to be sitting in any chair of any sort.
He's an experienced and very knowledgeable judge who can see through lies and he's not influenced by hearsay.
😂Well done king mgomezulu,even baloi is humbled 😂😂😂😂,I see an interesting trial coming,Judge Ratha has no choice but to find confessions were obtained with duress,and forcefully so,torture no food,hand cuffs,not taken to court within 48 hours,Victorious character Mjiyakho,appointed by who?😅😂
This judge yooh haikhona yesterday he was assisting Baloi but 2day is fighting Mngomezulu yooooh haikhona
Akuhambanga kahle😂😂😂
Ibambe ngezihluthu
Thank you Mngomezulu for coming on this case. We needed you❤
For me Mngomezulu poked so many holes in state evidence than Baloyi. So to those who say Mngomezulu did nothing. You can see which side they're all a long. As for me I still maintain that these guys have got nothing to do with Senzo meyiwa murder case.
Me too
Me too 😢
They killed Senzo and they are going down
Even DNA says they have nothing to do with it
Kelly knows who killed Senzo
King Mngomezulu 🎉🎉🔥🔥🔥🙌🙌🙌🙌
Big ups Mr Mgomezulu👌🏾
Who hired Mjiyako to be Ntanzis lawyer?
We going there kusazoshuba
Ntanzi himself
But also heard his family member hired Mjiyakho on his behalf. If he was not happy with him why blame the State instead of engaging with his own family.
He’s already said it that he only found out later that he wasn’t sent by any of his family
Wena you always hijack people's comments why not write yours uyadika
Wena Ratha you think that it is ok to ignore that the accused did not wash for days and had to relate that to the magistrate who did not even say anything about a person denied a bath in his presence. And the magistrate said nothing to that effect. To you that was normal, sies! You are cruel maan khehla ndini!
Yima njalo baba Mngomezulu
Bt let keep it in our mind that this is the retired judge out of no where and the judge is former pirates player and senzo is a former pirates player
I think the judge has already made a decision.
Sadly
He said (lingat nginigwebela esakeni) meaning he knew already that is going to sentence them
“Mr Rampasele” 😂😂😂 this judge is butchering people’s names
Hamba Mngomezulu ❤
Translation not make sure😂😂😂😂😂
@@jackmoseri1235 😅
Intelligence shown at the highest level and we as a nation gather to witness.🙌🙌🙌
Do we even have mjiyakho people in this world njheee
Yooooh the judge is speechless Mngo closed his mouth
Our own Barry Roux..Big Ups Chief👏👏👍
Is Ratha engaging with Mngomezulu or is Mngomezulu delivering his heads of arguments 🤔
Mngoms is too brilliant, presented without having an outline to remind him, when Baloyi had to read all the court notes. ♨️♨️♨️♨️
RATHA HES TRYING TO SCARY THE DEFENCE🙆
Usile lomkhulu
Syabonga Dlakadla
Mngomezulu 👏👏
Why is the state protecting those who were in the house,
The mastermind will come from the house relax
Gininda already linked KK to the 5 accused. Wait for the case to unfold. You'll be shocked that other people who were in the house were also made to believe that it was a robbery and had no knowledge that it was a planned hit.
Baba Mngo you're a genius you remember each and everything without looking at a script or is it written on the screen maybe like a news reader 🤔
Mngomezulu was on fire todat🔥🔥🔥oRatha bakhipha nama file wo 5000 pages 😂😂😂. Sibonga Mr Mngo khuphuka nabo sir, our man of the match🎉🎉🎉
State forget that they said 'they drive with ntanzi the whole day because he was bored,
Yaa mngo mixes number acc 1 and no 2 most of the time thays a big mistake
Its immaterial
Kudlalwa Ngathi Lana Judge is defending state hayibo
How I hate it when Ratha mispronounce the names
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥Mngomezulu
Ratha is defending his colleague Mjiyako he knows him very well, they are all together in this, if he can't see he is going to jail together with his Baloyi and Gininda the brigadier
Seriously, which case is the state dealing with Robbery gone wrong or a hit. Why were the suspects arrested for to be charged 4 months down the line with a case of a hit
It's dynamics of investigation. at the time when the statement was made allegations were different was that of a hit. So as the investigation unfold new evidence comes out. So they is nothing wrong with that. Gininda is a professional. He aline his statement with what was happening at that time. He knew on those statements that the gun was not a revolver but a pistol but he was not going to state his view without the backup of 212 Affidavit from the ballistic so he sticks to what the ppl inside the house has observed. Should he stated on his Affidavit that it was a pistilol he should have bben in trouble now as he was not and expect in firearms. So the statement is in line with what was happening at that time Kelly was a suspect but after NPA decided not to prosecute 6 individual but 5. It was not his dicision but that of the NPA. So he is indeed an standout police dictedtive. not a street dictedtive. He know how the law is applied In all aspects.
@@zwelimkhize3071You need to consult Google and look up the word professional. There is nothing professional about how this whole case was investigated.
Mix up n only want to find these young man guilty for crime they never commited
Detective
@@DominicNdlovu-tv9tp
It'll never happen . Truth will always prevail.
5 accused r innocent you're right
Mngomezulu ke ⭐
State is winning here thank you mr Baloyi he didn't prove that allegation that this guys were beaten😂
My brother why would they dispute that now,if it was done voluntarily???
That is what I have been asking, what was the role of Mjiyako in that court, no statement qouted from him by the presiding officer, and why would an accused/suspect not tell his lawyer that he did not bath, or why was that problem not related by Mjiyako himself to the
Mfethu!!
Where is Limpompo and Mapumalanga😂😂
How is Ramosepele still consulting with accused 1? He was terminated earlier
Because he is only terminated in front of the court or judge.. But behind the scenes they are still there and working together to bring down ginida and his partners in crime..
He is terminated on paper😂 it seems like Rams are still in partnership with adv Mngo
That is the strategy the defence using
Lelijaji alibophe lama phoyisa.
Wuuuu Mngo ate Ratha alive😂😂😂
Mgomezulu is very intelligent,
Mgo has cornered the state in this case one or another he will come up tops
The defence is holding this trial within a trial with a straw, remember the statement were made voluntarily by the defence's to their witness, ....Up.to so far Mngomezulu is all over the show to dispute the statements...
How can you say the statement was made voluntarily while the accused were abused, have you ever being assulted by the police whereby you accept for something never done?
@@kabelokatjedi3801Seems like this one is delulu and doesn't even know why there is a trial within a trial.
@@sindiswamabunda5627..It seems like you and Kabelo are suffering from an Artificial Deficiencies Hypertensional Disorder...I don't blame you for supporting Adv Mngomezulu's articulation...Democracy projects you guys to that....😂😂😂😂😂😂
The professional judge don’t do this showing his judgement before his verdict meaning his guilty and already made his decision but after mngomezulu submission he felt threatened being as unfair judge as always be
LeliJaji izolo lokhu belisiza ubaloi, namhlanje selilwisana nomngomezulu, sithule nje siyabuka, ngabe iyozala nkomoni
Why is the judge raising his voice when he is addressing Mngomezulu?
The judge talks the same you are just biased and trying to taint him
Yet he don't want that when mshololo does it to him mxm boring this one envelope and it black
Mngomezulu am proud
akayontsango akatshsywa Mr.Ngomezulu take yr time before u criticize him 🤝
Ratha expects the defence to prove beyond reasonable doubt, when that is the onusof the state, excellent point Mngoms, it was the state that was suppose to bring Mjiyako to witness.
Ratha. Stop interfering pls my lord
Thinking Mngomezulu did a great job is the funniest thing I’ve heard this week. The man has done very little to place doubt on the states case regarding the confessions. He delved too much into the case in its entirety instead of confined matters of the confessions.
Exactly. Instead he's made the state's case even stronger. His closing argument is all over the place. And mostly it's got nothing to do with the trial within a trial which is about the admissability of the confessions.
He had to be reminded several times. Very weak.
It's important that you go read the requirements that are Needed for a statement to be admissible. The fact that cronjie conceded that she was afraid it's a lopewhole and he doesn't have to prove his client case beyond reasonable doubt. He only needs to create a single doubt and he goes home to celebrate. Which he already dd
@@matomewaynemehlape5974 Let’s not argue the obvious. Even if the court was to believe that Cronje and everyone in that room was scared, Ntanzi’s version is that he did not give a confession on the day in question, he only signed the documents because HE THOUGHT IT WAS FOR HIM TO GET A BATH, not because he was afraid of heavily armed policemen.
When are they back in court again?
Monday
Is this judge RATHA the very same judge that we all relying to him that one day this court is going to come to the finalization of this case so he put up his judgement so the family of Senzo Meyiwa and the whole country gets justice for Senzo Ratha seem he is all about who knows the law better than who as he would keep on quoting 1960s law enforcements and boosting about his experience on this bench this is not the lectures classes now he can do better than all this I hope this court gets all the facts of who killed Senzo Meyiwa its been 10 years now this case is overdue weather these accused before this court are guilty or not we all hoping for the fair judgement by arresting the right people it can all happen if this court would unveil all these cover ups and twists we hoping all these investigators,judges,colonels,sergeants,brigadiers,witnesses,including eye witnesses,police ministers advocates etc all these people knows the law and its protocols but they haven't found who killed Senzo yet..this is really exhausting what Senzo Meyiwa did bathong its sad for his family.
Hamba ke uyoba yijaji wena
If was a member of these accused if they going down I would make between Kelly and Longwe are also doing down somewhere stru 🤞
The confession made b4 magistrate will be accepted based on the comments of the judge
This judge is baised,defence is against ijiako representing the accused ,how can they call him as their witness,
😂😂😂 When Ratha dissagree with what is being said he use his 🖋️🖋️🖋️🖋️.that noise says a lot
Ramosepili is always used to dispel the defence opinions, the "I have seen the highlights and notes" consideration in a minutes of paging the judge files is a typical example of that
Not much about the confessions. More about arrests.????
Don't be a fool. If the arrest was unlawful the everything that comes after is nonsense.
@@noxolosabulela340True
@@noxolosabulela340I think this one is Zungu n Kelly's crew
The accused are going down!
3:59:22 why is the Judge so defensive....
I hate this biased judge shame,sekwanele especially kwi defence..
Romasepile is never ready for anything
😂😂😂😂that one always look surprised and confused
4:03 mgo its on point 👉
Mngo 🎉
I hate how ramosepele is suckering up to this dirty old man
Ratha is busy today,he is not even listening
He is busy applying his mind while he gets an opportunity.Nb he does not need to listen to the interpreter interpreting the long session they all just had it is not for his benefit only for wasteing time interpreting what the accused do understand anyways. So he is using his time wisely.
Mgomezulu forgot to mention 3M that ntanzi was promised
Mngomezulu was fire 🔥
Free Ntanzi
Not so fast, remember photo of bag with money in their phones similar to KKs.
1:53:27
When Ratha gets angry the chair shakes 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Y didn't defense subpoena Mr Miyako?
Because they know their client is lying
Khuphuka lapho dlakadla