Mmmmmm... MUTT Hilts Motorcycle - What am I missing? Ride-on Review
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- Опубліковано 31 жов 2018
- Birmingham Based Mutt Motorcycles, imports cheap Chinese Japanese Clones and makes them cool and desirable and expensive.
But I'm pretty sure their awesome. What am I missing?
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great review. reviewing while riding gives so much more insight into the bike as you pick up on things as you go. appreciate you taking to faster roads as well. all important aspects covered and very informative. hugely helpful Dick thank you
I appreciate how informative you are when you ride.
probably the best review on this bike I have heard in a while...I've tested this one in Portugal and almost bought it...then my conscious told me to hold on and wait to get my motorcycle license first (in many countries you can ride a 125cc with a drivers license) and spend a bit more money on a Triumph.
I love the new definition of “appliance”
Looks a great little bike. Cool review 👍
Fab review mate, Very fluent and a voice that you don't get tired of..most reviewers annoy the shit out of me and try to be funny, but you are quite natural and at least take the care to know a bout the bike...well done !
Great review! Convinced now getting a grey hilts 125. Thank you.
Great video - best review I have seen
Great video, thanks for posting
A great review, Dick, thanks. Glad you liked the bike. A lot of what you said chimes in with my feelings about my Sinnis Apache, (which has a different frame and forks, but same engine etc). I do find my machine a bit lacking on a dual-carriageway road (queues of lorries waiting to pass me!) but on normal country roads it’s great. Mutt certainly have the right look, but your bike was nearly 2x the price of mine... thanks again, I enjoyed this video. Les
Leslie Austin Thanks for the comment. I know the Mutts are on the high end for these bikes, but the plus side is there is not the endless list of mods and upgrades that most Sinnis and Herald owners slowly tick off. I am happy to pay Mutt to do the modifications for me. I have too many custom projects distracting me.
Ride safe.
There is so much to be said for a frugal bike that gets you down the road and still be fun enough to ride just for the fun of it.
Great review!
Those little Suzukis are great small-disp motors. The DR200 was my learner bike, and I often consider picking up one of the VanVan 200s as a city hooligan bike now that they're available stateside.
Fantastic review . Great job buddy
Glad you liked it!
I bought an FSR! Been riding it now 4 months and I bought the bike off the back of this video. The Hilts wasn’t for me, but it got me looking into them. I decided to go for the FSR as it looks more to my liking but more importantly to my side as I’m only 5’ 8” and I prefer to be able to put both feet comfortably on the floor. Anyway.. thank you for the superb review, really really enjoyed it and watched it soo many times I’ve lost count. I helped me in going for a Mutt. Thanks again and all the best!
How has ur bike been? Looking to buy one soon
Im very interested in the Mutt Fat Sabbath, love what they done with these bikes.
Such a fulsome review, but it seems well deserved. It was enjoyable viewing. Not so much the appliance of science, more the appliance of taste, engineering and economics. I think this review will be regular viewing for me (I'm not sad, just saving). I'm getting a 125 to pass my licence. Now, I'm only 63, and I intend to get a Vulcan S soonest. However, when I'm old, I will revert to a 125. I look forward to riding of into the sunset on a Mutt ;-))
Nice.
Thanks for the comment.
I think that's a cracking looking bike....not sure I'd part with
3500 for it though...especially with a soaking saddle...but aesthetically very good. Thanks for the usual informative and laid back review.
What is a soaking saddle? thanks
WhoIamIsNotImportant A wet one.
Weird time to flex
You can get half the price if they're secondhand
I love the look as well. Here in Canada, I was looking at the Suzuki TU250x for a similar look and feel. I found a dealer in Oakville Ontario! Thanks for opening my eyes Dick!
Ladybug Adventures thanks for the comment! Glad you found a dealer. Go and check it out. A bit jealous as they don’t offer the TU here in the UK. Let me know how you get on and how you find it!
Ride safe.
You really are in my old stomping ground when I was young in this one.... Best, Pete.
ptrisonic Harrow on the Hill?
@@DickWhistles I noticed that when he went past BMI Hospital
Outstanding, you really nailed it. Fun bike, if you don;t need to count pennies. Even if you do, it might be worth saving a bit longer. This is how you should spend some time.
Great review & I really like the look of these bikes. Would like to see how the Mutt 250 compares as I am considering one as my next bike. My Enfield Bullet 500 is becoming a little heavy for me now so going back to something lighter may be just what I need to keep me on two wheels.
It's so perfect for my energy and future lifestyle styles...
I really like the way these look.
Great review thanks
Thanks for watching!
Just bought this bike yesterday. Got my CBT in a week and a half. Can't wait to hit the road for a spin! Fell in love with it first time I saw it. Haven't ridden a bike since 1990. Wish me luck! 😄
Good luck! Ride safe!
@@DickWhistles cheers mate. By the way, where are you from exactly? I lived in Michigan and then Chicago for a few years. Good fun but crap beer and too hot in the summer. 😄
On the verge of doing the CBT myself in the coming months and get this as a starter looks insane!
@@jez6208 originally from the NYC area. My wife, Fannie has ties to Chicago. I’ve visited a bunch.
Interesting, I have not heard of these bikes stateside yet. I have the same feeling riding my Royal Enfield Classic Chrome 500. Fun to ride, light, looks great and relatively inexpensive. The older I get the more appreciate the ride and less I need the horsepower.
Thanks for the comment. I don't think you'll see these Stateside. They are too small for the American market (maybe you'll see a 250 or 400 of some iteration). But you definitely won't see a Mutt. The entire success of these Chinese clone bikes is the initial import, repackaging and then selling on domestically. Unless Mutt sells a license and has a American shop to repackage them... which is not impossible, but unlikely.
The entire reason Enfiled produced the twins was to penetrate the US market.
Ride safe.
Suzuki has a couple of 200cc bikes on the market that are still Japanese-made.. The VanVan is retro scramble-tastic, and the DR200 is a proper dual-sport. A few other Chinese 125s available here, too. One of the best Retros is the Sym Wolf 150 Classic, which is made in a Taiwanese factory that used to do licensed Honda copies (much nicer f&f than many Chinese bikes on the US market) - it's literally just a rebadged CB!
Gregory Steffensen That’s good to hear. The small displacement Suzuki badged products here are a mix between Japanese and Chinese made. The Vstrom 250 is Chinese manufactured. The VanVan is a 125 over here and for a long time was the only “cool” learner legal bike. Big devoted following. Glad to hear the DR is still available - gem of a bike.
Jerry, you'll find the same base bike sold in the US by Cleveland CycleWerks, and yes there's even 125cc models in their range.
clevelandcyclewerks.com/
Alex Thanks for the assist. I was about to drop you a line, as I knew you’d know!
Good review
i just bought an original 1982 suzuki gs125 and it feels so much mroe solidly built than modern day bikes
Definitely buying one! Thank you! Can’t wait to drive it on Harrow on the hill 😂
Glad you liked the video. If you have your full license, and looking for a small displacement bike, look at the new Royal Enfield 350s. They are the same money and much better bikes.
Ride safe.
Top review. The Royal Enfield Meteor comes to mind - I'm thinking that paying more for a Mutt 250 is a hard sell in comparison, even if you don't get a great deal more power from the Meteor's extra cc's (and as you mention the price of their 125's isn't far behind). When the engine's this cheap, Suzuki replica or not it I think it puts a price ceiling on a little bike like this even with Mutt's styling. If they lowered the price by £7-800 then I'd be more interested.
I mentioned this before on your channel, but if you ever get to the States again, you'll have to ride the Suzuki TU250X. A really wonderful retro styled bike. It's my favorite.
Mike K I remember! Looks like you’re going to have some riding buddies.
All the best.
I'd like to try a shot of one of their 250s
Great review! Been looking at getting this bike for my commute to work from Maidenhead to East London, approx 33 miles with a dual carriageway. I'm not an experienced rider and don't have a full license but your review has given me some confidence with choosing this bike for this journey at my experience level. I'm still totting up whether the time will be better over the train but at the moment it's 1hr20 door to door and the ride seems to match that (not incl. motorways) on Google Maps, but I assume being on a motorbike it may be quicker as I'll have the ability to weave through some of the heavier traffic. At a cost of £3500 compared to my £4000 annual train ticket its looking quite favourable. Just to have the freedom alone along with a bit of fun. I'm strongly considering it. Thank you again for your very comprehensive review! It's helped me a lot.
Did you get the bike in the end?
@@shawndooley7778 Unfortunately not... I did a bit more research and the consensus was that a journey that long wouldn't be sustainable using a 125. I was still planning on getting it just for a local run around mode of transport but due to a personal situation with my accommodation I don't have anywhere to store it at the moment.
I wanted to hate any bike named Mutt, but now you've told me the origin of the name: The Great Escape character played by the late great (and greatest of all actors), biker in the real world Steve McQueen, I have to love the thing.
If you look at the promo stills of his jump scene, the bike used did magically transform, mid sequence, from the stolen '40s German bike into a '70s dirt bike, so definitely very similar to this model. The lads in Brum did a good job.
And I well remember my 1975 CB125 making a respectable 70mph with a blown silencer, and sounding even better than the Mutt. Really miss that bike. Hoping my Varadero is as much fun when I finally fix it.
Moderate Fkr Thanks for the comment. I do have a 1975 CB125s I am currently looking to sell... in case nostalgia gets the better of you...
Very tempting DW, but I'm only buying wrecks that need either restoring or customising into StreetFighters or CaféRacers right now. I need to finish and sell something before I can buy another bike. You can send me the details and some pretty pics if you think I might be tempted ;))
I just bought a Mutt Hilts and noticed this video is in my old home town, Harrow on the Hill 🙌🏻
Chris Foran congrats! Small world!
An American riding in England! I like that
Great review, thank you! What camera and helmet combination are you using? Image looks amazing
Dick, this is the most animated I've heard you in any review, and that says a lot about the bike.
Alex Thanks for the comment. I don’t think I’m anymore animated than say the Duke 390... but I was animated and I do like this bike... a lot. I’m going to need to ride your Sinnis as a comparison...
@Alex Did you see his XSR review?
Dick Whistles hey dick how did it compare to the sinnis?
@@danblack6295 He's not ridden it yet...
Great bike! I got mine a few months ago to pass my test. Will be putting it on sale soon in the Midlands UK
Have you put it up for sale yet?
@@harrrybailey putting it up tomorrow on eBay. Seems like a good time as the sun is shining 😎
@@mokinaces Will keep and eye out for it!!
Thanks...it's got linked brakes then...cheers
Hey Dick, thanks for the great vid. Hoping to get this as my first bike, but im yet to visit a dealership to size one up in person. Just for reference, how tall are you? Does this have a genuine effect on the ride. (fyi, i'm 5'10") cheers, keep up the good work.
Did you ever buy it? How is it for size?
Just for reference, you dont need to get these bikes with knobblies. They do more tourer versions of this that look absolutely stunning.
Is there any kind of fuel gauge? And is it customizable?
Time to bring the Mutt out again and come on a ride with a bunch of us I think Mr Whistles.
Alex What’s the plan?
Nice bike
Named after a character in a Steve McQueen movie and can't get one in the states! What the hell!
Makes my pretty jealous honestly. I really want a modern 125 but the grom and z125 don't appeal to me at all.
@adrianna Doesn't look like it's sold in the US either, am I wrong?
Hi what part of UK was this filmed in. Thanks, greetings from London England. I am looking at these as I want to get a petrol bike to complement my Ebike collection.
errol kim Thanks for the comment. This was filmed in West London. Happy to meet up and let you take a look. I am curious myself about E-Bikes.
Ride safe.
@@DickWhistles hi cheers i live in London, West also, Richmond and before that Greenford. Ebike is cool but range is an issue. I've got loads I could tell you just ask .
What's better this or a bullet hero or a hanway 125 scrambler ?
Hey, if you really want something *fun* to ride, you should try out the Skyteam Monkey 125, the little one based on the original.*
I had one and it blasted up to 60+ in no time at all, weighs nothing more than you can lift alone and does amazing numbers in terms of consuption, so just try it.
Seats are comfy as well, and you will keep riding it for hours and hours.
Jan Erik Kristiansen off to Google...
Thanks for the comment.
I'm looking at the 250 but with trials treads as they deffinately are better on the road but still look the part.
Dual carriageway aka Divided highway😂 Man you have been there too long. It looks like a cool place to explore on a bike. Didn't think London looked like that.
Harrow on the hill is a nice area 👌
@@SgtRosier Looks it, I bet I costs a hill of beans to live there.
Great looking machine but the cross brace obscures the speedo, unless you have mounted the camera low ...
Anybody notice how many times he neutralised his indicators, haha we all do it.
Neil Goldsmith oh see dee
I'm looking the dealer in Canada? How do I get one?
It would be interesting if you could compare this bike with another Chinese/British bike. AJS have a similar type bike, Japanese engine, built in China to British specifications.
Cassandra One Thanks for the comment. I have a friend who has a Euro3 Sinnis. So I can definitely ride that for a video comparison.
Stay tuned.
What Sinnis do you have?
at 6 foot 1, do you think id be too tall to ride it, because I absolutely love it
zac bell as a man of average stature, I can’t speak from experience. However, I have a friend who is 6’3” and absolutely loved his Mutt. So I would encourage you to try one out.
Dick, you have a very nervous habit tapping the indicator cancel button every half minute. Stop it! I had target fixation on your left thumb throughout this video! :o)
Where is this place? It looks lovely to ride around!
Harrow on the hill
You think this bike can handle 100km long ride with passenger up and down the hill?
LMAOOOO I WASN'T READY FOR THIS LOL HIS VOICE WHILE RIDING
Could someone please let me know if this bike has full gear indicators please , thank you for your help
It does not.
10 minutes in... Holy shit that's Harrow!
Right on.
I can hear the vibrations in your voice throughout the video.
Louis Cachia those aren’t vibrations from the engine, rather the rough suspension.
Thanks for the comment.
Of ALL the places this video could've been, it's in MY area!
Rameez Malik let’s go for a ride.
@@DickWhistles I haven't got one yet, still researching, but when I do, I'll hit you up!
Rameez Malik let me know.
5:47
"You have to get used to riding with knobby tyres on the pavement".
No, you don't, cos you ain't meant to be on the pavement :) lol j/k
Would you recommend this for a novice rider? Something as an introductory bike?
Bree Eades Absolutely! It is a cracking little bike. Manageable and usable. It is also fun for experienced riders as you grow as a motorcyclist. I was just out on it today and it is great.
Thanks for the comment. Let me know if you pick one up!
Dick Whistles thanks again! I’m looking at getting one shortly as my first bike. However in Australia we only have the 250cc so it will have a little bit more guts than the 125cc.
I will have to remember to let you know what my experience is!
Thanks for the review!
@@breeeades3636Hey! Did you end up getting a Mutt? I’m in Aus and weighing up a 250 FSR for my first bike
13:02 Jaguar shoots off, says -No you don't!
Shoots off cause he was on the wrong lane and knew it
I considered staying with the 125 license for about ... 5 seconds.
Lars A G did I? If I did, probably meant front and rear.
Thanks for catching that and the comment.
Mmmmmm indeed. Having been dragged up on DT125's and the other 125cc 2-stroke trailies, the absence of those style bikes means I would naturally find this the most visually attractive of the current offerings. Assuming I haven't missed one of the 'big' manufacturers doing one still. Would I buy one as a 17 year old? I'd probably go with an MT-125 or similar, slightly older, for around the same price and rather than one of the race replicas. 3 extra ponies is not to be sniffed at mind...
will M Thanks for the comment. I hear you about the Japanese Contemporary 125s, but they are incredibly tall and of wanting to buy new your paying even more than this overpriced Chinese clone.
As always, I appreciate your insight.
Ride safe.
I'm thinking of buying one of these as my first bike I love the look but am worried the bike will be rubbish quality and fall to bits. Are they well made?
bobby ray of the family smith thanks for the comment. Although, I haven’t experienced any issues as yet, the chatter on the owner forums is that the electrical system is rubbish. I heard talk of the starter assembly being crap, and 40% of batteries are bad.
I took mine for a ride today and had an absolute blast on it.
At which one are you looking?
@@DickWhistles the hilt or the mongral I want a retro looking bike that's good for learning
@@DickWhistles thanks for the reply I'm just looking for a cheap to run bike for commuting but one that Looks nice. I want one that looks retro cafe racer style but a actual Classic bike wouldn't be suitable for daily commute
bobby ray of the family smith Mongrel is cheaper, but the Hilts and the other models have a bit better geometry with higher bars and better seat. Mutts are cracking little bikes. Can’t wait for my next ride.
lexmoto valiant.. why double the price?
Did you take it over 50 mph?
How’d it handle?
I’ve had it well over 50 for sustained hours. It handles fine. Please have a look at my videos where I took the Mutt on a Classic Trials Event. ua-cam.com/video/sFuOHQKOkgI/v-deo.html
Would this be a good choice for a first motorcycle? Or are there other bikes that would be better?
It’s a fine first bike. There are better bikes. And less expensive bikes.
@@DickWhistles thank you for the quick reply
nice , but why so expensive
Hi, how tall are you?
What do you think guys? One of those Mutt Hilts Motorcycle or a Brixton?
Cant decide
Max ! I don’t know anything about the Brixton bikes. I see they are about a grand less expensive. Worth a look. I am very happy with the Mutt. Let me know what you decide.
Thanks for the comment.
@@DickWhistles
I prefer the Brixton right now , but only because there are more dealers around, and they are cheaper.
In germany we just have 1 Mutt dealer i guess.
but the mutt seems to have a better quality , especially in the Cockpit.
Mutt also ships , so0 testing both is the best :)
Where can I get a bike that looks like this yet can go quick???
Luke Rhoden Triumph, Royal Enfield. Honda, Yamaha.
Hilts named after the character Steve mcqueen played in the great escape
Gold star.
I have been to France on my Sinnis 125 twice 400 miles both ways motorways no problems 50 to 60 most of the way .
Keith Dainton nice.
Hi Keith, can I ask you- did you take much luggage? I feel confident that a 12hp 125cc could keep me at 50-60mph for hours it it was unladen, but what happens when you carry a tent, bag and other stuff? Is that what you did? Also, without wishing to be too personal, are you a fairly light person?
I fancy dipping my toes into motorbike camping/touring, but I dont have an A2 licence, and I just want to have a sort of cheap dabble to see if I still like it, before taking the plunge and taking my test for an A2 bike.
@@bigtoe333333 hi I had a top box and a bag on the back seat I am 12 stone also I have done loads of two up trips on my 125s over the years with no trouble not as far as France mind you. Also being my only transport I take all my fishing gear for a fews days fishing and camping even went to France carrying my fishing quiver and rods on my back. Lol
Cheers Keith, that's really helpful to know. I was thinking about the 15hp 125cc bikes for a bit of extra poke on A roads, but I cant find a 15hp bike that has the retro style like the Mutt, so its reassuring to know that longer trips are at least possible on a 10/11hp machine.
I want one in 400cc.
is the shifting 1 down 5 up?
Four up
Does anyone make a bike that is 125 and looks like this that can reach 70mph?
My Hanway will do 70. Just.
looking for a dealer here in philippines...
If you owned this would you change the tyres?
GrooverErn I do own this. And I haven’t changed the tires. It’s fine as is. Just have to be aware. If I was doing long commuting miles? Probably.
Thanks for the comment.
@@DickWhistles thanks, I have never owned a bike before and now looking for a fair weather commuter 125cc 6 miles each way.
GrooverErn if you don’t mind the higher than comparable price, you’ll have a blast on it.
Let me know what you get. If you’re around London you can take a closer look at mine.
How tall are you?would it be suitable for a 6ft rider?
I am taller than my father, but shorter than my son...
I have seen 6ft and taller riders on them. The two I know love their bikes. Just know l, these bikes are compact.
I’m 5’7”...
Haha awesome cheers👍🏼
almost identical with daytona rock ii 125...
Don't forget....you are in the UK! It's illegal to ride on the pavement 😜
No sure to what you are referring.
@@DickWhistles You mentioned pavement in your narrative in the video. Pavement in the US means the road. In the UK it is the sidewalk
What city is this?
Somewhere in England
Can I ask...does this bike have ABS?
6:17 just watch the video complete ;)
Looks a bit like a Yamaha TW200; probably similar performance.
Mutt should read dog!
Nice bike but if you're going to ride it in the wet junk the tyres! Good road tyres may not look as cool but could save your life. Bit pricey.
splodge 57 Thanks for the comment. I agree with all that you say.
If mutt added the tyres and there a good brand they maybe reasonable in the wet. A lot of Chinese bikes come with tyres made of plastic. Even these days a 50/50 is still better than the tyres we had in the 60/70/80's. I think the bogart road tyres are probably worse in the wet than my TCK80's
thanks splodge 57 , i live in the isle of skye , and here it rains a lot . your point about the tyres is an important detail as i am thinking of getting one of these.Although the weather can be crap , it would be perfect for our CRAP roads up here..i take it you mean the tyres can lose their grip on banking in wet or slippy conditions ? i am used to that possibility as i ride on fat nobbles on mountain bikes i have used over the years .i understand the weight difference,i assume if you dont put her to far over then she wont put you down .in some cases ? thanks again..
he doesnt really give it much throttle though
What are the other British Chinese Japanese Clones? Thanks
Damn Sung Thanks for the comment. Mutt, Heritage, Herald, Bullit, Sinnis, Lexmoto - off the top of my head.
Ride safe.
c"est qu'une mash
Max speed?
Valerio Scipioni I’ve had her at 65. Probably could do more. It did feel like the doors were going to come off.
Anyone making something like this in the US?
Cleveland CycleWerks are your people - clevelandcyclewerks.com/
brischultz I was about to say I’d ask my Moto-buddy Alex, but he beat me to the punch. Let me know if you find one in the US. I’d be curious to know your thoughts.
Lovely drive. Where is it?
Damn Sung Thanks for the comment. Harrow on the Hill, London, England.
Dick Whistles oh. Lovely.