I never was a big fan of survival conditions although we had often good results when it was blowing. At least the videos where impressive. The only thing I hate more are the "standing in no wind" type of conditions. How about you?
interesting to see! im hitching to say mor foil rake and get a bit more weight back ... but that reduces chances of pitch pole but increase the chance of going flying out of control, its a tough beast this n17! good job on not capsizing!
awesome! thanks for sharing. so you decided to set foil rake close to zero or zero downwind for a safer ride under those conditions. makes perfectly sense.
I have tried to memorize the basic foil setting. The lift on the rudders is set to a neutral position. More important in weavy conditions. In strong wind but flat water you can try out a little bit of a nose down trim (More lift on the rudders) so that the boat does not jump and you have an auto leveling mechanism. More lift on the rudders is usually faster but harder to control. Upwind: We have quite a lot of lift on the leeward daggerboard. That really helps to get a stable platform and it is way faster. Usually we sailed with 1,5-2,5 leeward an 0 on the windward side. Downwind is always a battle for control. It is more important to have the ability to prevent the boat from foiling when you don't want it to fly. Usually we used a little bit more lift then Zero. More like one to one and a half. When trying to find the setting we started with almost no lift and increased the foil rake until the bows stoped diving, but not more. The ideal setting would be that the boat just wants to foil when the platform is completely level and both, crew and helm, are standing behind the daggerboards. If you increase the heal and /or the crew runs forward the boat should not foil. What helped me a lot is to accept that a foiler sometimes does strange things. Sometimes the boat will jump and you have to find a way how you prevent yourself from flying forward. Sometimes there is no smooth way of sailing a foiler... Well, so much for the, kind of, safe way of sailing in 20+ knots. If you want to go fast, you have to go fast. Let me explain, foiling gets more stable when you are foiling faster. When the boat just starts to foil it is much more likely that even a small ventilation will result in a drop. When you go fast, you have much more wiggle room. So the only way is, pedal to the metal and balls of steel. Unfortunately there is not much in between. Either you go F18 style with a little bit of lift to prevent the bows from diving. Or you go all in, high risk, high reward, full foiling like in 15 knots of wind. Thats the reason why unlike in the Nacra 17 MK1 even high skilled sailors having major injuries. There is no 95% speed but safe option with the MK2. It is either 100% speed or slow.
Thank you for posting that video. Fun to watch. It looks like you were going very fast for the conditions. When I make a video of my Mk1 Nacra 17, the video usually looks much less intense than my memory of the actual conditions. Your video has so much wave action that it looks sped up from reality. I know it wasn’t, so do you remember the actual conditions as being more intense than what the video captured?
@@gimmewindmorewind4612 Thank you very much! I think that the speed experience has to do with a lack of control. Especially on the foiler. I always had a problem with waves. Wind never was a huge problem, as long as you trust on what you have learned in medium wind conditions you can work your way up to heavy wind. I never had that confidence in what feels like mountains of water. But the GoPro isn't particularly good at capturing the conditions. When I was sailing I often thought that the boat next to us is really looking spectacular and astonishing fast. Barley realizing that our boat must look very similar 😳 Here is the official video from that day capturing the 49erFX and 49ers. ua-cam.com/video/TryGonRrjPY/v-deo.html If you want I can upload a video of us sailing the Mk1 in horrible conditions next throwback thursday. What do you think?
born2sail Thanks for your detailed response, and that official video. The conditions in your video look MUCH more intense to me because of the greater speed and the offshore swells. I’d love to see the MK1 video you mentioned if you have time to post it. Cheers!
I never was a big fan of survival conditions although we had often good results when it was blowing. At least the videos where impressive. The only thing I hate more are the "standing in no wind" type of conditions. How about you?
interesting to see! im hitching to say mor foil rake and get a bit more weight back ... but that reduces chances of pitch pole but increase the chance of going flying out of control, its a tough beast this n17! good job on not capsizing!
awesome! thanks for sharing. so you decided to set foil rake close to zero or zero downwind for a safer ride under those conditions. makes perfectly sense.
I have tried to memorize the basic foil setting. The lift on the rudders is set to a neutral position. More important in weavy conditions. In strong wind but flat water you can try out a little bit of a nose down trim (More lift on the rudders) so that the boat does not jump and you have an auto leveling mechanism. More lift on the rudders is usually faster but harder to control.
Upwind: We have quite a lot of lift on the leeward daggerboard. That really helps to get a stable platform and it is way faster. Usually we sailed with 1,5-2,5 leeward an 0 on the windward side.
Downwind is always a battle for control. It is more important to have the ability to prevent the boat from foiling when you don't want it to fly. Usually we used a little bit more lift then Zero. More like one to one and a half. When trying to find the setting we started with almost no lift and increased the foil rake until the bows stoped diving, but not more. The ideal setting would be that the boat just wants to foil when the platform is completely level and both, crew and helm, are standing behind the daggerboards. If you increase the heal and /or the crew runs forward the boat should not foil.
What helped me a lot is to accept that a foiler sometimes does strange things. Sometimes the boat will jump and you have to find a way how you prevent yourself from flying forward. Sometimes there is no smooth way of sailing a foiler...
Well, so much for the, kind of, safe way of sailing in 20+ knots. If you want to go fast, you have to go fast. Let me explain, foiling gets more stable when you are foiling faster. When the boat just starts to foil it is much more likely that even a small ventilation will result in a drop. When you go fast, you have much more wiggle room. So the only way is, pedal to the metal and balls of steel. Unfortunately there is not much in between. Either you go F18 style with a little bit of lift to prevent the bows from diving. Or you go all in, high risk, high reward, full foiling like in 15 knots of wind.
Thats the reason why unlike in the Nacra 17 MK1 even high skilled sailors having major injuries. There is no 95% speed but safe option with the MK2. It is either 100% speed or slow.
Thank you for posting that video. Fun to watch. It looks like you were going very fast for the conditions. When I make a video of my Mk1 Nacra 17, the video usually looks much less intense than my memory of the actual conditions. Your video has so much wave action that it looks sped up from reality. I know it wasn’t, so do you remember the actual conditions as being more intense than what the video captured?
@@gimmewindmorewind4612 Thank you very much! I think that the speed experience has to do with a lack of control. Especially on the foiler. I always had a problem with waves. Wind never was a huge problem, as long as you trust on what you have learned in medium wind conditions you can work your way up to heavy wind. I never had that confidence in what feels like mountains of water. But the GoPro isn't particularly good at capturing the conditions. When I was sailing I often thought that the boat next to us is really looking spectacular and astonishing fast. Barley realizing that our boat must look very similar 😳 Here is the official video from that day capturing the 49erFX and 49ers. ua-cam.com/video/TryGonRrjPY/v-deo.html
If you want I can upload a video of us sailing the Mk1 in horrible conditions next throwback thursday. What do you think?
born2sail Thanks for your detailed response, and that official video. The conditions in your video look MUCH more intense to me because of the greater speed and the offshore swells.
I’d love to see the MK1 video you mentioned if you have time to post it. Cheers!
Oops. I see that you already DID post that other video. Thank u