The 3 internal styles were created about the same period, somewhere in the second half of the 19th century (probably it started around the years 1850-1860's). Taiji, Xingyi, Bagua... Yang Luchan, Li Luoneng and Dong Haichuan were of the same generation. Their generation and the two generations after them created all the internal principles and most of the internal practice. Only Yiquan/Dachengquan was created later during the years 1930's-1940's, by mixing some of the principles of Xingyi and Bagua, and exchanging some stuff with Taijiquan.
Nice to see Frank telling stories. Back in 1994, I was learning tai chi and figuring out my teacher wasn't as good as his reputation. I read a couple of Frank's articles about Ba Gua in Inside Kung Fu and checked out the school. On a Sunday afternoon, I sat and watched and qigong class, a tai chi class, and a ba guy class. There was a woman named Tiffany in all those classes. Her pit bull hung out and watched all 3. He was completely chill the entire afternoon. Then the Hsing I class started. Tiffany and 3 other people stood in San Ti, and Frank started explaining to me what it was. Very quickly, the dog started going ballistic. Frank stopped the class, we all stood in a circle, held hands, and breathed. The dog calmed down, Tiffany took him home, and I decided this was the art for me. After 8 months I chose a direction, but I always enjoyed my time there. Frank is good people.
In case you are still looking, Byron Jacobs "Dragon body, Tiger spirit" is probably among the best books on Xing yi you could find. Highly recommended!
Correct, and even Dai style's 5 elements are different than what evolved into the Xingyiquan that is largely popular. The biggest difference I notice between Dai and the later style was Dai style's short striking methods.
@@bigwavesun Yes, Dai Family is more short ranged compared to most Xingyi styles since it follows the real ancient principles of Xinyi Liuhe Quan. Even Guo Weihan's Wu Xing Quan (Li Luoneng's "teacher"), looks exactly similar to that of the Dai Family compared to his "disciple". I wanted to add something base on my research on Xinyi (Xinyiba, Xinyi Liuhe, Dai Shi, Xing Yi and Yi Quan). According to several Dai Style practitioners, there was a routine that became the mother form of the Dai Family known as San Quan (Three fists) which is the basis of 5 elements and is only taught to student's who are deserving to learn this ancient form.
@@giuseppienad3413 thank you for sharing friend. After studying Dai from video observance I found their short striking very similar to Wing Chun's use of short strike though more varied and based on dantian movement. I am not sure if Dai clan were exponents in previous styles, but I have heard they previously studied Praying Mantis style which had similar short striking. The hole goes deeper with Xinyi/Xingyi.
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The 3 internal styles were created about the same period, somewhere in the second half of the 19th century (probably it started around the years 1850-1860's). Taiji, Xingyi, Bagua... Yang Luchan, Li Luoneng and Dong Haichuan were of the same generation. Their generation and the two generations after them created all the internal principles and most of the internal practice. Only Yiquan/Dachengquan was created later during the years 1930's-1940's, by mixing some of the principles of Xingyi and Bagua, and exchanging some stuff with Taijiquan.
Really nice walk-through of the origin and development of this art. Thanks!
Thanks for the support Ron
Nice to see Frank telling stories. Back in 1994, I was learning tai chi and figuring out my teacher wasn't as good as his reputation. I read a couple of Frank's articles about Ba Gua in Inside Kung Fu and checked out the school. On a Sunday afternoon, I sat and watched and qigong class, a tai chi class, and a ba guy class. There was a woman named Tiffany in all those classes. Her pit bull hung out and watched all 3. He was completely chill the entire afternoon. Then the Hsing I class started. Tiffany and 3 other people stood in San Ti, and Frank started explaining to me what it was. Very quickly, the dog started going ballistic. Frank stopped the class, we all stood in a circle, held hands, and breathed. The dog calmed down, Tiffany took him home, and I decided this was the art for me. After 8 months I chose a direction, but I always enjoyed my time there. Frank is good people.
great to hear from you Patrick, keep up the good fight
Enjoyed these podcasts while they lasted.
Very cool loved the story of mah San
wonderful!
Thanks for your support David 🙏🏽
I enjoyed the video. Thanks
Awesome, thank you!
What is a good book on xing yi?
In case you are still looking, Byron Jacobs "Dragon body, Tiger spirit" is probably among the best books on Xing yi you could find. Highly recommended!
@@Tomas33392 I bought it when it came out on Kindle, thanks
I live in Southeastern Michigan I'd like to try to find an instructor. Can anybody point me in the right direction? Xing yi quan
Did Frank ever get a chance to feel Kenny Gong's shingyi?
@@lasherthirteen7456 wow I vaguely remember there was animosity because the two... Anymore details?
Actually Ji Longfeng didn't taught 5 elements fist. Five Elements Fist emerged during the creation of Dai Style Xinyiquan
Correct, and even Dai style's 5 elements are different than what evolved into the Xingyiquan that is largely popular. The biggest difference I notice between Dai and the later style was Dai style's short striking methods.
@@bigwavesun Yes, Dai Family is more short ranged compared to most Xingyi styles since it follows the real ancient principles of Xinyi Liuhe Quan. Even Guo Weihan's Wu Xing Quan (Li Luoneng's "teacher"), looks exactly similar to that of the Dai Family compared to his "disciple". I wanted to add something base on my research on Xinyi (Xinyiba, Xinyi Liuhe, Dai Shi, Xing Yi and Yi Quan). According to several Dai Style practitioners, there was a routine that became the mother form of the Dai Family known as San Quan (Three fists) which is the basis of 5 elements and is only taught to student's who are deserving to learn this ancient form.
@@giuseppienad3413 Wow, great information. I would love more information on San Quan if available.
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@@giuseppienad3413 thank you for sharing friend. After studying Dai from video observance I found their short striking very similar to Wing Chun's use of short strike though more varied and based on dantian movement. I am not sure if Dai clan were exponents in previous styles, but I have heard they previously studied Praying Mantis style which had similar short striking. The hole goes deeper with Xinyi/Xingyi.
There is more of the history of Marshall Yue Fei
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