Excellent video thanks Reece. You're very creative and it's a pleasure to watch. What was that board shape like for winging lift-off in very light winds? What what foils do you typically use on it?
Hey! I find this shape is really nice surf foiling or towing behind a boat, where the takeoff involves slicing through the water. Wingfoiling it doesn't make that much difference on the takeoff because it involves more bouncing the board up and down, instead of moving it through the water. Once you're up on it though, it keeps speed really nicely on touchdowns.
@@reeces_shredlab Hey! Understood, thanks. What's your thoughts on the best light air wingfoil board shape? Lots happening in that space now, and much talk about using SUPfoil boards for light air winging. But I'm finding that for using a small foils (in light air) that in addition to higher water speed, a significant amount of lift angle is very briefly required on the small foil, and the longish SUPfoil boards often don't allow this. To cope with bouncing the board better at high-ish water speeds, I'm wondering if a single concave stubby/square front underside shape progressing into a flat rear might work. Also I'm curious what foil kit you were using in the above video.
Impressive montage, I’ve had a downwind foil board 3d shaped, it’s similar to the Kalama E3. Next stage glassing in carbon. All the best, your shredding
On this board I just lapped overtop and didn't worry about a clean "cut line". There are a few loose strands visible, but the carbon from the deck blended well into the bottom. It's not very noticeable unless looking closely. On more recent boards I've been layering up several lines of masking tape along the lap line. 3 or 4 layers thick. Then after glassing you can sand down to the tape without digging into the carbon underneath. It's been working very well for super clean sharp "cut laps". More like sand laps haha. Can't see the tape for a normal cut lap through the carbon, much less cut the tape while the board is curing in the vac bag.
Really good stuff you’re doing here… I like how you can program it to customize to your specifications. I am a Surfer, Kite Surf, primarily, but who would like to combine both. I’d be interested to find out if it’s possible to create a design which incorporates a twin tip and a surfboard. There’s a real need for it and I can tell you firsthand the ocean rodeo tried to do it, but I think there is room for improvement in the real idea here I love surfing but I love Kitesurfing….’ I would love to have a twin tip surfboard so that you can surf a wave but then also have the ability to do transition tricks as you would on a twin tip.
It works really well! It has super low resistance on touch downs, I've glided well over 5 meters through the water on it. My previous boards I could really feel the drag on touch downs and I would almost immediately lose all my speed. I only changed the rocker line for the second one.
@reeces_shredlab it's a bit like the bustles on the latest America's Cup boats. American Magic in particular had a very big bustle they could ride for a bit in half foiling, half displacement mode
Excellent! Would be curious knowing overall cost of the board, especially for carbon fiber and epoxy resin? Do you have seller to recommend to buy from them?
Hey the overall cost is about $600 CAD for all raw materials. Maybe $500 if you use the cheap insulation EPS foam like I did in this video. I havent used the insulation foam since, and would recomend getting proper high quality EPS foam, it helps durability alot!
@@reeces_shredlab Thanks for your reply. Though my current project differs, it gave me insight into the techniques being used in the carbon fiber build process.
Very clever design with the "fin" in the front... What's the idea for foilsurfing? For wingfoiling would be a good design for upwind (not foil) sailing when wind suddenly dies...
I probably sleep too much actually haha. I didn't put any stringers in this one because the board is so thick it will be plenty stiff enough already. It would add extra weight and be kind of a pain to shape on the machine as well. The board has been holding up great, still no issues to this point without stringers. I know some people are doing dual stringers, one under each foilbox to support them. Then you don't have to do as much after shaping to stop the box from breaking. Could be worth trying.
Loving your stuff dude. I’m on version 2 of my first foilboard build after I crushed the first iteration under too much vacuum. Curious how much vacuum you pulled on yours
Wow impressive ! Congrats ! May I ask what rocker you had for that first board, and what rocker you ended up on your second one ? So cool, hoping to do the same !
Cool! The second board has 5" of nose rocker in the rail. If the tail of the board is touching the ground, the bottom of the rail at the nose is 5" above the ground. Hopefully that makes sense haha. Or just 2.5" of tail rocker and 2.5" of nose rocker. Hope the shaping is going well, sorry for the delay I was travelling for a bit.
Shaping out of foam will be much less time consuming, and probably decently cheaper. But I haven't shaped a wooden hollow core before so I can't say for sure what it will cost. It's called a CNC machine!
The epoxy used to glue the foam boards together is not the same that the one for reinforcement with fiberglass and carbon fiber right ? Also, Does the CNC machine have difficulty shaping when encountering epoxy?
Actually yes, I used the same epoxy for every step of the way. And no, such a thin layer of epoxy, like between the sheets of foam does not cause any issues with my shaping machine.
I used the purple insulation foam in this video, but I wouldn't use it again. It was still too soft and got compressed after a few months of use. I ended up using some weird combo of plywood to disperse the load and high density pour foam. I would try and find a super hard material, maybe even balsa wood or something similar. And use carbon or wooden stringers to connect it to the deck.
Hey bro how'd you get your vacuum to hold vacuum all night? Is there some kind of relay switch I need for my vacuum pump? Or can I just leave it on all night?
I have a vacuum regulator setup that I wired into my pump and pressure pot. Stops the cheap pump from overheating, check this video out at around 1:20: ua-cam.com/video/BFg_-QFx7YE/v-deo.html
How do you set the registration after flipping the board? Do you have any advice for someone thinking about building their own cnc? Did you draw any inspiration from eg the MPCNC community?
I use a laser level to help line up the tip of the tool with my origin point on the board. And no I've never heard of the mpcnc community haha. I mainly just pulled info off of forums, UA-cam, and made it work with the parts I was able to get my hands on.
Thanks! Just off Amazon, they sell sheets of it in different colours: www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B09T6P6R5Y/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1&psc=1
Hey Dave, No I don't unfortunately. I do have a few other videos up on my channel explaining how I built the machine. Hopefully those can help you out a little.
Hey, Yes some people are using XPS. The issue with XPS is getting the epoxy to properly bond to the foam. The upside of XPS is water will not absorb into the foam on dings. The downside is the epoxy will also not bond to the foam well. The surface is not "grippy" enough and leads to delamination. I've seen a few guys working on a way around this. Seems like the best way is to puncture the foam with a spiked roller where you will be glassing. This will provide mechanical holes for the epoxy to fill into and grip the foam.
Hi ,is better ,when use carbon or kevlar carbon , on last layer one glass 150gr or similar to use for sending and do good finishing, because is better don't send the carbon, specially on the edge, i use a 200 grams glass ,buy good work
Hey Robert, Yes I agree, I've been putting a thin layer of fiberglass on the sharp areas of the board, like the rails. It gives a sacrificial layer for sanding and also has better impact resistance when my heels hit the rail. Seems to help a lot with cracking.
Interesting. So that's how boards are "shaped" nowadays. Maybe soon, AI will do the rest of the build and everything else at the tip of keyboard nudges. Still, a nice outcome....good use of tech, tools, and friends.
Awesome work Reece, got to have good skills to be able build boards like that. I wish I could do it too.
The webcam clip at the end is too good. Well done
mega cool board💯💯💯💯
super board👍👍👍👍
please do more and show us so that everyone knows your impressions and opinions
Thanks! I'll continue putting stuff up for sure!
Respect for your building and riding skills!
Thank you sir
Excellent video thanks Reece. You're very creative and it's a pleasure to watch. What was that board shape like for winging lift-off in very light winds? What what foils do you typically use on it?
Hey! I find this shape is really nice surf foiling or towing behind a boat, where the takeoff involves slicing through the water. Wingfoiling it doesn't make that much difference on the takeoff because it involves more bouncing the board up and down, instead of moving it through the water. Once you're up on it though, it keeps speed really nicely on touchdowns.
@@reeces_shredlab Hey! Understood, thanks. What's your thoughts on the best light air wingfoil board shape? Lots happening in that space now, and much talk about using SUPfoil boards for light air winging. But I'm finding that for using a small foils (in light air) that in addition to higher water speed, a significant amount of lift angle is very briefly required on the small foil, and the longish SUPfoil boards often don't allow this. To cope with bouncing the board better at high-ish water speeds, I'm wondering if a single concave stubby/square front underside shape progressing into a flat rear might work. Also I'm curious what foil kit you were using in the above video.
Impressive montage, I’ve had a downwind foil board 3d shaped, it’s similar to the Kalama E3. Next stage glassing in carbon.
All the best, your shredding
Awesome! Have fun with it.
Okay all jokes apart this is a very cool video, so satisfying
Awesome video and shape. How did you handle the lap joint?
On this board I just lapped overtop and didn't worry about a clean "cut line". There are a few loose strands visible, but the carbon from the deck blended well into the bottom. It's not very noticeable unless looking closely.
On more recent boards I've been layering up several lines of masking tape along the lap line. 3 or 4 layers thick. Then after glassing you can sand down to the tape without digging into the carbon underneath. It's been working very well for super clean sharp "cut laps". More like sand laps haha. Can't see the tape for a normal cut lap through the carbon, much less cut the tape while the board is curing in the vac bag.
Really good stuff you’re doing here… I like how you can program it to customize to your specifications. I am a Surfer, Kite Surf, primarily, but who would like to combine both. I’d be interested to find out if it’s possible to create a design which incorporates a twin tip and a surfboard. There’s a real need for it and I can tell you firsthand the ocean rodeo tried to do it, but I think there is room for improvement in the real idea here I love surfing but I love Kitesurfing….’ I would love to have a twin tip surfboard so that you can surf a wave but then also have the ability to do transition tricks as you would on a twin tip.
You're thinking something like a twin tip, but with volume for surfing? So a Symmetrical surfboard with straps essentially?
Good to see some "out of the box thinking." My page shows you exactly how to do what you are asking.
sick mate, shaping machine looks good!
what brandof epoxy did you use?
Entropy Super Sap CLR
How did the Bow 'Fin' work? Did you change the design of it in the 2nd build? Thanks for posting!
It works really well! It has super low resistance on touch downs, I've glided well over 5 meters through the water on it. My previous boards I could really feel the drag on touch downs and I would almost immediately lose all my speed.
I only changed the rocker line for the second one.
@reeces_shredlab it's a bit like the bustles on the latest America's Cup boats. American Magic in particular had a very big bustle they could ride for a bit in half foiling, half displacement mode
Fun project! she's gona track straight when it hits the water :D
Straight and fast haha
Excellent! Would be curious knowing overall cost of the board, especially for carbon fiber and epoxy resin? Do you have seller to recommend to buy from them?
Hey the overall cost is about $600 CAD for all raw materials. Maybe $500 if you use the cheap insulation EPS foam like I did in this video. I havent used the insulation foam since, and would recomend getting proper high quality EPS foam, it helps durability alot!
@@reeces_shredlab Thanks for your reply. Though my current project differs, it gave me insight into the techniques being used in the carbon fiber build process.
Awesome! Goodluck.
Very clever design with the "fin" in the front... What's the idea for foilsurfing? For wingfoiling would be a good design for upwind (not foil) sailing when wind suddenly dies...
Thanks, ya the idea is for foilsurfing, trying to get the board moving through the water as fast as possible before lift off.
do you not sleep? awesome work. Is there no need for a stringer with carbon layups?
I probably sleep too much actually haha. I didn't put any stringers in this one because the board is so thick it will be plenty stiff enough already. It would add extra weight and be kind of a pain to shape on the machine as well. The board has been holding up great, still no issues to this point without stringers.
I know some people are doing dual stringers, one under each foilbox to support them. Then you don't have to do as much after shaping to stop the box from breaking. Could be worth trying.
Loving your stuff dude. I’m on version 2 of my first foilboard build after I crushed the first iteration under too much vacuum. Curious how much vacuum you pulled on yours
Hey Kevin, I usually go to 7 or 8 (inches of mercury i think?).
Great video dude 👍
Thanks!
what did the weight of the board come out too?
Wow impressive ! Congrats ! May I ask what rocker you had for that first board, and what rocker you ended up on your second one ? So cool, hoping to do the same !
Cool! The second board has 5" of nose rocker in the rail. If the tail of the board is touching the ground, the bottom of the rail at the nose is 5" above the ground. Hopefully that makes sense haha. Or just 2.5" of tail rocker and 2.5" of nose rocker. Hope the shaping is going well, sorry for the delay I was travelling for a bit.
Awesome build! Where did you get full size EPS sheets?
Just from my local hardware/building supply store, it's just the normal 4'x8' EPS sheets they use for insulating houses.
Whats better economicly , doing one like that or one in out of wood ? Also whats the name of the machine at the beginning
Shaping out of foam will be much less time consuming, and probably decently cheaper. But I haven't shaped a wooden hollow core before so I can't say for sure what it will cost.
It's called a CNC machine!
@@reeces_shredlab okayy thanks bro
The epoxy used to glue the foam boards together is not the same that the one for reinforcement with fiberglass and carbon fiber right ? Also, Does the CNC machine have difficulty shaping when encountering epoxy?
Actually yes, I used the same epoxy for every step of the way. And no, such a thin layer of epoxy, like between the sheets of foam does not cause any issues with my shaping machine.
@@reeces_shredlab kingg
how much does the board weigh? What tipe of Eps do you use? Thanks
wouldnt it be possible to create a small ground effect, like in racing boats? or would that be too miniscule?
I don't see why not, start shaping the hulls to fly!
Did you put braces in of high density foam you used for the box all the way through to the deck?
Hey Bido, Ya I did, high density connecting the foibox to the carbon on the deck.
@@reeces_shredlab nice thanks for the reply. Is it just purple foam insulation board?
I used the purple insulation foam in this video, but I wouldn't use it again. It was still too soft and got compressed after a few months of use. I ended up using some weird combo of plywood to disperse the load and high density pour foam. I would try and find a super hard material, maybe even balsa wood or something similar. And use carbon or wooden stringers to connect it to the deck.
@@reeces_shredlab think 4lb density pour foam is enough or go with 6lb?
6lb over 4lb for sure. The more dense the better.
nice work, but I think it would be better to glue the boxes with fiber inside, it's much stronger
what kind of cnc you use ?
Hey, That's a good idea to stiffen it up. It's a custom machine that I built myself.
@@reeces_shredlab thanks, good job
Hey bro how'd you get your vacuum to hold vacuum all night? Is there some kind of relay switch I need for my vacuum pump? Or can I just leave it on all night?
I have a vacuum regulator setup that I wired into my pump and pressure pot. Stops the cheap pump from overheating, check this video out at around 1:20:
ua-cam.com/video/BFg_-QFx7YE/v-deo.html
How do you set the registration after flipping the board?
Do you have any advice for someone thinking about building their own cnc? Did you draw any inspiration from eg the MPCNC community?
I use a laser level to help line up the tip of the tool with my origin point on the board.
And no I've never heard of the mpcnc community haha. I mainly just pulled info off of forums, UA-cam, and made it work with the parts I was able to get my hands on.
Hello. What software do you use to design the board and generate the GCODE? Have you ever used BoardCAD?
Shape 3d for the shaping and Fusion 360 for the G code. No I've never used board cad.
Hi, where did you get the underwater wing mount rails?
Hey, those are futures strong boxes, you can find them at most surf shops or order them from futures fins
How much if you would make one of those for sale ?
Nice dude! Where did you get the large grippad?
Thanks! Just off Amazon, they sell sheets of it in different colours:
www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B09T6P6R5Y/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1&psc=1
@@reeces_shredlab thanks for the quick reaction! Keep on building!
Hey do you have any cnc plans available because im trying to build myself one
Hey Dave, No I don't unfortunately. I do have a few other videos up on my channel explaining how I built the machine. Hopefully those can help you out a little.
Where did you get the vacuum controller?
buildyourcnc.com/item/electronicsAndMotors-pneumatic-hydraulic-vacuum-pump-controller-sensor-redfrog-v1
nice reece! Is there anything you can't do??
Thanks Jim haha
Sick design! Where can I buy one?!?!
take my money!!!!!!
weight? Thanks...
what did you use to tape the vacuum bag together? or how did you seal it?- Thanks- Joe
I use a combo of blue tuck tape and window gasket tape.
Does someone use XPS?
Hey, Yes some people are using XPS. The issue with XPS is getting the epoxy to properly bond to the foam. The upside of XPS is water will not absorb into the foam on dings. The downside is the epoxy will also not bond to the foam well. The surface is not "grippy" enough and leads to delamination.
I've seen a few guys working on a way around this. Seems like the best way is to puncture the foam with a spiked roller where you will be glassing. This will provide mechanical holes for the epoxy to fill into and grip the foam.
what size board?
dimensions?
4'11" x 22" x 3.7" x 40L
Hi ,is better ,when use carbon or kevlar carbon , on last layer one glass 150gr or similar to use for sending and do good finishing, because is better don't send the carbon, specially on the edge, i use a 200 grams glass ,buy good work
Hey Robert, Yes I agree, I've been putting a thin layer of fiberglass on the sharp areas of the board, like the rails. It gives a sacrificial layer for sanding and also has better impact resistance when my heels hit the rail. Seems to help a lot with cracking.
Thanks for posting the video I now got all the evidences needed to sue you for assault.
In all seriousness, good job DOPE video!!
Much appreciated petite Jeremi, please don't sue me :(
Interesting. So that's how boards are "shaped" nowadays. Maybe soon, AI will do the rest of the build and everything else at the tip of keyboard nudges. Still, a nice outcome....good use of tech, tools, and friends.
Awesome 👏
You are awesome would like to share with you brother, how can I reach you?
Hey Tony! You can fire a message to me on Instagram and we can go from there? @reece_myerscough