the analysis about the colonial hangover was so spot-on. that's not just a pakistani problem though, and India overcame it by getting over the "spinning pitches bad" mindset. i'd think pakistan needs something similar.
No player is bigger than the game . The message has been delivered to the players now that they will also think 200 times before forging grouping in the team. Also, kamran scored significant runs speak volume for giving form batters a run. Baber is a classic player but not in form . He needs to take rest and work on the things that went wrong. Moreover, i don't think there's any semblance of a bad thing dropping any player in middle of the series that has a bad run in recent years.
@@muhammadaurangzeb7079 agreed. He was closely involved in pitch curation in UAE too a while back if Im not mistaken. Aaqib Javed knew exactly what he was saying and doing. Hes not the sexy popular 90s star but hes got both courage of his conviction and analytical sense to go with it.
I never said he wasn't clear. I said his logic is severely flawed and one result doesn't make it right. Selectors involved in pitch curation is the kind of idiot move I was criticizing. There has to be a separation and balance of powers not ONCE MORE having a few men make all the decisions. And Sarah if Aqib wasn't a 90s star he wouldn't have had the career he has constantly failing upwards.
@@BattaFast well, I would give him 5-7 test matches before calling his strategy flawed or a master stroke because no one can claim that they predicted that we will beat this English team by 150 runs even on a minefield.
Been following this podcast since the 2023 World Cup, seeing a genuine smile on your faces for the first time. Happy for you guys, I hope merit prevails in the system and Pakistan cricket gets strong like before. Btw India ne comeback maar dia hai😂
Excellent episode guys, as always, big fan here. On ramiz raja though, old clip from 2018 where rambo is justifying the non selection of fawad alam for pak's tour to england for two test matches. the reason he gives is that 1) fawad alam does not have the technique, 2) fawad was not playing the PSL, 3) fawad had not spent enough time in the domestic FC, where he gives examples of players like hussey who had spent many year before getting picked. fawad was averaging more than 50, heck he was in the all time best FC average list from all over the world. he had made his FC debut in 2003, so he had already spent close to 15 years toiling and topping every batting chart in the domestic. not getting selected based on PSL is just wow (and amply confirms a legend's statement where he said that his 12 year old son knows more about cricket than ramiz). in my view khan sb really undid the good work that he did with the appointment of ehsan mani and wasim khan by appointing ramiz right after them. ua-cam.com/video/tn41wv5W2vk/v-deo.html
Ahmar, please consider that Baber will never win you matches as he stats pads, every innings he plays is like a net session where he bats slowly to preserve his average. The momentumn of his innings never improves/fails to put pressure on the bowlers once he is set; a trait all A list batters have. Baber is not out of form, he just averaged the highest in the recent ODI Cup; his issue is that he has been 'found out' he can't play pace, the moving ball, the spinning ball or under any match pressure; the only supposedly match winning innings I have seen him.play was the 100 v NZ in 2019 WC, however even in that innings he played anchor and it was Haris Sohail who hit Santnar pit pf the attack and shifted the momentumn. Furthermore he fails to improve his batting and has been left behind due to his own arrogance.😊
I used to have a respect for Ramiz Raja, despite his commentary quirks, listening to his channel. Since his disastrous and damaging spell as PCB Chair has been unveiled and the specific impact on home pitches, I can't stand him. Home results give team a cushion when away results are poor so why tf would you screw up your team's chances of victory in this delusion about bettering Australia? Does any other team change their pitch dynamics specifically for other countries pitch conditions? Ahmer was spot on 👏🏽
Hey guys Great job! This is the best analysis I have heard about this match on UA-cam. In fact it might just be the only substantial analysis after this match as the sugar crash has not yet kicked in. Please keep up the good work
i feel so seen listening to you guys. the tragedy of pakistan cricket is that it is one of the last solid outlets of pakistaniat left. one of the few things we feel proud of and claim. and we expect consistency emerge out of a system very much embedded in the same kafkaesque chaos that consumed the pakistani identity and consumes our lives. truly postmodern because there is nowhere for anger to go. talking about the pcb at a systemic level brings up all the same thoughts and helplessness we associate with the rest of our national condition. the pcb is not fucking up, it is working as intended. it just doesn't work for us or it's players. pakistan cricket will not be FIXED until pakistan is. when is that happening? players are visible and they suffer the weight of it all. by now we have all seen the script. they will look to keep this working and glorifying the way it works for as long as can be. when it doesn't, heads will roll again. literally how fascism distracts people from the problems capitalism creates by giving them an easy outlet. although I'm happy seeing us win, seeing babar go makes me angry beacuse these guys were supposed to be our golden generation. we mired them in a shitty system and politics, never gave them the resources, used them as propaganda for completely random ego stuff (rambo and babar), and discarded them when they inevitably didn't become what we never let them be. need a hug man.
Aaqib Javed ko 21 topon ki salami as far as Imi concerned. He had the courage to do what was required. You wanted a win? the whole country was crying for a win but we werent making the choices or game plans that would have let us win. So theek hai, they did what was needed to show you how to win. I dont see it as a danda - I see it as doing what was required to align pitch conditions with your 20 wkt taking bowlers. And let them show what they can do. Its not danda, its good cricketing sense. Why are we upset with it? Dont we want to win?
The people in management are themselves clueless about the talent / ability of fringe and domestic players. From chairman saying there is no one to replace the main players only for KG to come and score 100 and Ajju saying there are no spinners in Pak that can take 20 wickets , only for Sajid and Nouman taking 20 alone. People knowledgeble about cricketing pyramid should be running sports and not people who rely on trial and errors.
So let me get this right, we won the game but the big story is why Babar was dropped? i think that is where the issue is. Stop making fake idols out of players, no one is bigger than the game. Either that or we as fans are so toxically cynical that nothing is goo enough, so i guess we have been getting what we deserve in the last 3 years and however many months we didnt win a home test.
@@BattaFast well its not "sporting" to play on a used pitch in the first place, so either we don't call it sporting or we don't complain about the process, there has to be consistency, both things were bad but need of the hour, desperate times call for desperate measures, no one is asking to replicate this, but take it as an exception to the rule and move on.
Every time you listen great wasim bhai he is always telling you that how they did good on these pitches and Lack of practice Match practice has ruined Pakistan cricket especially in longer format of the game Wasim bhai retired in 2003 I think he also played for PIA that year or the previous domestic season
Ahmer had a very good point about why we should disrespect the kind of conditions we have here and the type of cricket that we play in these environments? why should we try and be someone else? I want to elaborate on this point and go a step further... If Im not wrong, Pindi used to be a seaming and sporting surface where there was something for everybody, the faster men on first two days and then the spinners and batters would come into play... Same used to be the case with Karachi where the fast men would often get help specially on day one atleast if not more... Yes we have had absolute batting paradises in Karachi as well but apart from that we have had surfaces where every cricketing skill have had a role to play. Is it not possible that we have different kind of tracks in different grounds around the country similar to Australia lets say where there`s pace and bounce in Perth, spin in Sydney and seam and bounce in Melbourne, Hobart, Brisbane etc... Why do we have to try and make similar surfaces all across the country? Again I don`t want to sound like Ramiz`s colonial complexed commentary that we should be blindly following Australia but I want to highlight that by having unique playing surfaces across the country, our cricket is only going to grow as our international and domestic cricket will be played in challenging environment rather than a docile conservative environment.
Guys, look at Carse? A Durham lad whose tall and strong. He bowled line & length at 135-140 kph. Got a few to seam both in and out. This is what is required on spinning, dead pitches. Wasim, Asif, Amir, Waqar & especially Shoaib made the ball talk. This is what class pacers do. Where have they all gone? Perhaps been murdered by T20 cricket.
100 agree! If you want to give KG a chance due to his prolific run in the domestic season, who’d you drop to pick him? If not Babar then someone else. No one should be indispensable!
Babar Azam did not rest against Netherlands how can you expect him to rest voluntarily? Also if Pakistan was going with bowling friendly conditions it made sense to take out Babar who was failing on roads. Why would you want to further put preasure on him by playing him on this pitch?
Ahmar is actually Og OMAR from the Wire Stays under the hood usually but when is in action goes on a rampage. Has zero belief in the system but still contributes to it in one way or another. Knows everything is gonna work the same way and educates others about the inner workings. I could go on!
The only flaw in your argument regarding Ramiz’s impact contributing in not winnings for next 3 years is that before Ramiz, fast bowlers won us test series against South Africa and Bangladesh
Usman good see you guys happy and yes nobody noticed that these slow dead spinning pitches Produced World class Fast Bowlers with skills for Pakistan especially reversing the ball and bowling fast these were only weapons on which bowlers used to take wickets this is the only Raaz that Pakistan produced wonderful ballers
Buhat utaleiye babar aur Rizwan key..tum logon ko poor domestic cricketers sey khaas masla hai koi. You just can't see them doing well and replacing these so-called greats. Babar is not even close to Asad shafiq as a batter for Pakistan. Let alone to say that he is one of the best we ever had, you are saying he is better than Salim Malik, Javaid, Zahir, Inzi,Yousuf,Majid,Hanif, forget about winning us matches the guy couldn't read a Googlie or play a left armer. You are hyping up Rizwan because you don't want them to prepare a backup wicket keeper hassebullah. Shame on you.
Slight exagetation on rizwan being flawless when he cost us the USA game because of his keeping and he also gave like 50 byes in Australia. Yes he is a great keeper but just not make him the goat based on 1 game
These are the two most morose commentators on cricket . The fact that Aqib came in and made some changes and delivered to some extent should be appreciated and not made fun of . Have these guys given any solution to any problem ? their whole thing is about crying when they lose . Have these guys ever played any sport ever in their life ? Not sure why I even bother listening to them .
These guys especially Ahmer like to take the easy way out - bash PCB because it's easy to do since they can't present any technical analysis on the cricketers performances and go by emotions like how can you treat Babar like this ? Cricket hi Babar and Babar hi cricket wali mentality hai inki
Who's gonna play against South Africa, KG is good against spin, but I am not sure about him playing Kagiso Rabada in SA. Babar needed rest, sure, but PCB messed everything up.
21:50 Rameez was chairman from September 2021 to December 2022. Probably the worst chairman PCB has ever had under whom we lost 4 and drew 4 tests at home. But it’s unfair to blame Rameez for pitches against Bangladesh and the first England test 18 months after his ouster. There have been several other chairmen since then and new team management / administrations. They have all been equally clueless.
Osman on the money. No Rizwan for captaincy, Iove the guy but I wouldn't want to wish Pakistan's captaincy on a keeper like him. PCB is a mess and Rizwan needs to play just as a cricketer and for KP in domestic or whatever the domestic is now.
While we can all enjoy this victory but it’s all short term. PCB is giving too much power to the selectors and letting them choose playing 11 is simply mind boggling. Will they be accountable if results start going agaisnt us? What’s the role of captain and coach? What exactly Aqib and co will do when Pak plays in next in South Africa? Do we have the fast bowlers our batters to do the job? But for now let’s all enjoy Gulab Jaman
Appreciate Osman for that Rizwan shoutout. No one observed this when he first began but Riz back then had the fastest hands for any wicketkeeper ever. I don’t like his Saya corp side and the ganging up with Babar to but it’s true that a dogshyte Sarfraz was unfairly preferred over him for too long.
Pakistan cricket board should have been proactive during the 10’years isolation. Should have worked in stadiums and pitch infrastructure but did nothing, stadiums look ugly.
Ghustakhi maaf, but I disagree with your view on dropping Babar signalling to youngsters that a lack of form will see you. Out very soon. Babar got a long ass run with this bad form. AND Babar ka dressing room politics wala angle bhi hai jo aap overlook nahi ker sakte. Pakistani players ka na ana merit per hota hai na jana. So they dont act like professionals either, coz professionalism se zyada politics makes or breaks their careers. Lets not whitewash that. Babar’s many coaches have said on record he doesnt listen to their batting tips. Wasim bhai kya Hollioake kya.
@@BattaFast ironically Babar’s endless run as an all-powerful captain was meant to end just these ‘insecurity’ concerns only for him to pay it back with ‘roti gang’. 😂
@@BattaFast Nai, more like, if someone is innately insecure, no amount of keeping him in the side will make him secure. He kept himself secure at the cost of the team, the wins, the yari dosti selections... sab secure ker ke bhi kuch na hua. Are you suggesting that we mollycoddle him and not drop him? What message does that send to the performing batters waiting in the wings? like K.G? Too big to fail ala Big American Corps? Heres an alt way of looking at it: The pitch was going to turn and a struggling Babar would have failed again and dug himself deeper in misery. Horses for courses wali lens se dekhain, tau isnt it okay that he was dropped for a pitch that wasnt going to help him help Pakistan?
Love you guys, don't get me wrong but you guys have been sounding like Saya corps employees for a while now. No player is bigger than Pakistan and the game itself.
Sorry man I will always prefer backing players over board officials and ex players who actively harm the team. Yes no player is bigger but actively destroying systems and processes is not exactly some sign of genius. You have 70 years of evidence of how much that negatively impacts cricket.
Sure this is not the way to run a team. Drastic changes are never good. Changes were forced on the team and coaching staff and they didn’t have much say. But what is our winning formula? Isn’t this our best bet against SENA teams? Shouldn’t we stick with this approach now that finally we have a workable formula? Sure we can tweak a bit, replace Zahid with a pacer who can reverse. At home, 2 pacers with two spinners and overseas maybe 3 pacers and one spinner. Keep rotating pacers to divide workload.
The only reason I watch the podcast is osman. Almost everything Ahmer says seems off. He does not seem to have that sort of an interest in the game anymore but makes things along as the time goes
Same pitch pindi me ban jaye Pakistan toss jite ya no jite no problem lekin Pakistan apni bat first me 400 touch kr le toh easily Pakistan jit lga series kyoki reality y hai ki sbse weak team toh England h test cricket ki jiski only socail media p hype h otherwise wtc cycle third chl rhi h England performance kiya nhi h
In defense of Gillespie, hes relying on local intel (Azhar Mahmood et al) and the reputation of the players. Coming in as a foreign coach (or even a local one) would you expect Shaheen and Naseem to be dogshit in all the games they played? Or that half the batters wont fire (Babar se le ker Rizwan tak)? So Gillespie x Shan relied on the template they had and the reputations they had to work with. Egotistical giants in the room,, and we're languishing at the bottom of the WTC table with such firepower. Aaqib ne sahi kiya. Ok enough of my lambay chitthay comments. Im over the moon that we broke the hoodoo and won. Its like drawing blood from stone. Somehow we did it. We're not total losers at home. Thori optimism is okay.
@@BattaFast Lol I meant ke you guys sound so afsurda here. Kafi soag ka mahol banaya hua hai despite the win. What would have been your plan to win this 2nd test (from pitch to selection and everything in between)?
Ahmer's colonial analysis is so spot on and yet heartbreaking to listen to. We keep making the same mistakes over and over again, and in the past 3 years of uncertainty over Pakistan cricket, our impetus was to get angraiz coaches and an angraizi speaking captain to save us from ourselves. The lack of self respect in this whole paradigm is truly heartbreaking. What is more, if not for the niceness of Ahmer, and if he was a bit more confrontational, we would see in full display Osman's shilling for that method of thinking. Osman, dare I say, is the Ramiz Raja of cricket analysis.
Meh aap Dhona koh aik bhat bhattatha khu? Not sure if this is the right nomenclature? Jho bhe. Unless we create athletes we will be left behind. I have 3 sons I feed them chicken breast. Mashallah they’re 6ft + and go to the gym yaar. Aap logh chai pehte rehthe koh. Charro l yaar
Usman Samiuddin saying Rizwan is the best keeper? Dhoni vibes? Life may ye bhi sunna tha. Banda har grab par uchalta hai aur jan nick hota hai tu dunia ko maloom hojata hai magar rizwan kandhay uchka deta hai.
Sometimes I really start to question Ahmer's sexuality From calling Naseem shah hot in PSL to Fapping on Ben stokes, Every once in a while some hot dude seems to get his attraction Very shady guys 😵💫💀
Usman is going viral all over Pakistani social media on Ramiz and Babar pitch story 🎉 ... FINALLY battafast is getting much needed attention 🎉
the analysis about the colonial hangover was so spot-on. that's not just a pakistani problem though, and India overcame it by getting over the "spinning pitches bad" mindset. i'd think pakistan needs something similar.
Sangakarra’s urdu is pretty good!!
Finally got to see my two favorite ”UA-camrs “ happy 😂😂❤❤❤❤
Hope you guys never get bored of this pod. Keep it up!
No player is bigger than the game . The message has been delivered to the players now that they
will also think 200 times before forging grouping in the team. Also, kamran scored significant runs speak volume for giving form batters a run. Baber is a classic player but not in form . He needs to take rest and work on the things that went wrong. Moreover, i don't think there's any semblance of a bad thing dropping any player in middle of the series that has a bad run in recent years.
@3:40 bro random theories tou aap ke favorites phainktay thay, Aqib was pretty firm and clear on what he wants to do LOL
@@muhammadaurangzeb7079 agreed. He was closely involved in pitch curation in UAE too a while back if Im not mistaken. Aaqib Javed knew exactly what he was saying and doing. Hes not the sexy popular 90s star but hes got both courage of his conviction and analytical sense to go with it.
@@Sarah_0112 exactly
I never said he wasn't clear. I said his logic is severely flawed and one result doesn't make it right. Selectors involved in pitch curation is the kind of idiot move I was criticizing. There has to be a separation and balance of powers not ONCE MORE having a few men make all the decisions. And Sarah if Aqib wasn't a 90s star he wouldn't have had the career he has constantly failing upwards.
@@BattaFast well, I would give him 5-7 test matches before calling his strategy flawed or a master stroke because no one can claim that they predicted that we will beat this English team by 150 runs even on a minefield.
@@BattaFastaquib is still better and more professional than the othee stars who keep getting new.posts in Pcb like ur fav Misbah
great rizwan analysis in the end, esp with such little good writing and analysis of rizwan the player and person out there.
Playing 4 pacers or 3 spinners doesn't sit well with me. Why can't we have 2 spinners and 2 pacers like Misbah era? There needs to be a balance
Not just misbah it's what everyone does in Asia
Been following this podcast since the 2023 World Cup, seeing a genuine smile on your faces for the first time. Happy for you guys, I hope merit prevails in the system and Pakistan cricket gets strong like before. Btw India ne comeback maar dia hai😂
Top notch!!!.
This is what unbiased and non-agenda driven analysis looks like
Excellent episode guys, as always, big fan here.
On ramiz raja though, old clip from 2018 where rambo is justifying the non selection of fawad alam for pak's tour to england for two test matches. the reason he gives is that 1) fawad alam does not have the technique, 2) fawad was not playing the PSL, 3) fawad had not spent enough time in the domestic FC, where he gives examples of players like hussey who had spent many year before getting picked. fawad was averaging more than 50, heck he was in the all time best FC average list from all over the world. he had made his FC debut in 2003, so he had already spent close to 15 years toiling and topping every batting chart in the domestic. not getting selected based on PSL is just wow (and amply confirms a legend's statement where he said that his 12 year old son knows more about cricket than ramiz). in my view khan sb really undid the good work that he did with the appointment of ehsan mani and wasim khan by appointing ramiz right after them.
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Ahmar, please consider that Baber will never win you matches as he stats pads, every innings he plays is like a net session where he bats slowly to preserve his average. The momentumn of his innings never improves/fails to put pressure on the bowlers once he is set; a trait all A list batters have. Baber is not out of form, he just averaged the highest in the recent ODI Cup; his issue is that he has been 'found out' he can't play pace, the moving ball, the spinning ball or under any match pressure; the only supposedly match winning innings I have seen him.play was the 100 v NZ in 2019 WC, however even in that innings he played anchor and it was Haris Sohail who hit Santnar pit pf the attack and shifted the momentumn. Furthermore he fails to improve his batting and has been left behind due to his own arrogance.😊
Yaar jeetay raho such an honest and original povs
Lmfao Ahmer on India’s 46 all out is all of us 🤣🤣
Great conversation guys as always ! Hope the momentum continues in Pindi much needed for Pakistan !
I used to have a respect for Ramiz Raja, despite his commentary quirks, listening to his channel. Since his disastrous and damaging spell as PCB Chair has been unveiled and the specific impact on home pitches, I can't stand him. Home results give team a cushion when away results are poor so why tf would you screw up your team's chances of victory in this delusion about bettering Australia? Does any other team change their pitch dynamics specifically for other countries pitch conditions? Ahmer was spot on 👏🏽
Hey guys Great job! This is the best analysis I have heard about this match on UA-cam. In fact it might just be the only substantial analysis after this match as the sugar crash has not yet kicked in. Please keep up the good work
i feel so seen listening to you guys. the tragedy of pakistan cricket is that it is one of the last solid outlets of pakistaniat left. one of the few things we feel proud of and claim. and we expect consistency emerge out of a system very much embedded in the same kafkaesque chaos that consumed the pakistani identity and consumes our lives. truly postmodern because there is nowhere for anger to go. talking about the pcb at a systemic level brings up all the same thoughts and helplessness we associate with the rest of our national condition. the pcb is not fucking up, it is working as intended. it just doesn't work for us or it's players. pakistan cricket will not be FIXED until pakistan is. when is that happening? players are visible and they suffer the weight of it all. by now we have all seen the script. they will look to keep this working and glorifying the way it works for as long as can be. when it doesn't, heads will roll again. literally how fascism distracts people from the problems capitalism creates by giving them an easy outlet. although I'm happy seeing us win, seeing babar go makes me angry beacuse these guys were supposed to be our golden generation. we mired them in a shitty system and politics, never gave them the resources, used them as propaganda for completely random ego stuff (rambo and babar), and discarded them when they inevitably didn't become what we never let them be. need a hug man.
Aaqib Javed ko 21 topon ki salami as far as Imi concerned. He had the courage to do what was required. You wanted a win? the whole country was crying for a win but we werent making the choices or game plans that would have let us win. So theek hai, they did what was needed to show you how to win. I dont see it as a danda - I see it as doing what was required to align pitch conditions with your 20 wkt taking bowlers. And let them show what they can do. Its not danda, its good cricketing sense. Why are we upset with it? Dont we want to win?
Honey Singh with the analysis
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Ah … waiting for your cast … to see your smiles … a big congrats to you guys !!!
The people in management are themselves clueless about the talent / ability of fringe and domestic players. From chairman saying there is no one to replace the main players only for KG to come and score 100 and Ajju saying there are no spinners in Pak that can take 20 wickets , only for Sajid and Nouman taking 20 alone. People knowledgeble about cricketing pyramid should be running sports and not people who rely on trial and errors.
Excellent points. It is rooted in the self loathing and inferiority complex of those in charge.
So let me get this right, we won the game but the big story is why Babar was dropped? i think that is where the issue is. Stop making fake idols out of players, no one is bigger than the game. Either that or we as fans are so toxically cynical that nothing is goo enough, so i guess we have been getting what we deserve in the last 3 years and however many months we didnt win a home test.
It's not about idols it's about processes. Bad processes lead to bad results. What won the match was playing spinners on a sporting track.
@@BattaFast well its not "sporting" to play on a used pitch in the first place, so either we don't call it sporting or we don't complain about the process, there has to be consistency, both things were bad but need of the hour, desperate times call for desperate measures, no one is asking to replicate this, but take it as an exception to the rule and move on.
Très magnifique
Every time you listen great wasim bhai he is always telling you that how they did good on these pitches and Lack of practice Match practice has ruined Pakistan cricket especially in longer format of the game
Wasim bhai retired in 2003 I think he also played for PIA that year or the previous domestic season
It's good to see this conversation. I would suggest using Hindi/Urdu more to make it for mass viewership.
Ahmer had a very good point about why we should disrespect the kind of conditions we have here and the type of cricket that we play in these environments? why should we try and be someone else? I want to elaborate on this point and go a step further... If Im not wrong, Pindi used to be a seaming and sporting surface where there was something for everybody, the faster men on first two days and then the spinners and batters would come into play... Same used to be the case with Karachi where the fast men would often get help specially on day one atleast if not more... Yes we have had absolute batting paradises in Karachi as well but apart from that we have had surfaces where every cricketing skill have had a role to play. Is it not possible that we have different kind of tracks in different grounds around the country similar to Australia lets say where there`s pace and bounce in Perth, spin in Sydney and seam and bounce in Melbourne, Hobart, Brisbane etc... Why do we have to try and make similar surfaces all across the country? Again I don`t want to sound like Ramiz`s colonial complexed commentary that we should be blindly following Australia but I want to highlight that by having unique playing surfaces across the country, our cricket is only going to grow as our international and domestic cricket will be played in challenging environment rather than a docile conservative environment.
Guys, look at Carse? A Durham lad whose tall and strong. He bowled line & length at 135-140 kph. Got a few to seam both in and out. This is what is required on spinning, dead pitches. Wasim, Asif, Amir, Waqar & especially Shoaib made the ball talk. This is what class pacers do. Where have they all gone? Perhaps been murdered by T20 cricket.
Did you guys do a whole show without mentioning Kamran Ghulam? Lol Bro just admit that you've over hyped Babar and over played PCB admin issues
100 agree! If you want to give KG a chance due to his prolific run in the domestic season, who’d you drop to pick him? If not Babar then someone else. No one should be indispensable!
Babar Azam did not rest against Netherlands how can you expect him to rest voluntarily? Also if Pakistan was going with bowling friendly conditions it made sense to take out Babar who was failing on roads. Why would you want to further put preasure on him by playing him on this pitch?
Ahmar is actually Og OMAR from the Wire
Stays under the hood usually but when is in action goes on a rampage. Has zero belief in the system but still contributes to it in one way or another. Knows everything is gonna work the same way and educates others about the inner workings. I could go on!
Hahahahaha best compliment ever
The only flaw in your argument regarding Ramiz’s impact contributing in not winnings for next 3 years is that before Ramiz, fast bowlers won us test series against South Africa and Bangladesh
Usman good see you guys happy and yes nobody noticed that these slow dead spinning pitches Produced World class Fast Bowlers with skills for Pakistan especially reversing the ball and bowling fast these were only weapons on which bowlers used to take wickets this is the only Raaz that Pakistan produced wonderful ballers
Buhat utaleiye babar aur Rizwan key..tum logon ko poor domestic cricketers sey khaas masla hai koi. You just can't see them doing well and replacing these so-called greats. Babar is not even close to Asad shafiq as a batter for Pakistan. Let alone to say that he is one of the best we ever had, you are saying he is better than Salim Malik, Javaid, Zahir, Inzi,Yousuf,Majid,Hanif, forget about winning us matches the guy couldn't read a Googlie or play a left armer. You are hyping up Rizwan because you don't want them to prepare a backup wicket keeper hassebullah. Shame on you.
Slight exagetation on rizwan being flawless when he cost us the USA game because of his keeping and he also gave like 50 byes in Australia. Yes he is a great keeper but just not make him the goat based on 1 game
These are the two most morose commentators on cricket . The fact that Aqib came in and made some changes and delivered to some extent should be appreciated and not made fun of . Have these guys given any solution to any problem ? their whole thing is about crying when they lose . Have these guys ever played any sport ever in their life ? Not sure why I even bother listening to them .
These guys especially Ahmer like to take the easy way out - bash PCB because it's easy to do since they can't present any technical analysis on the cricketers performances and go by emotions like how can you treat Babar like this ? Cricket hi Babar and Babar hi cricket wali mentality hai inki
i love your podccast! But this is something irrelevant to it.... please tell us the name of the opening remix song!
Kundi na kharkha. Whole version on our page
Who's gonna play against South Africa, KG is good against spin, but I am not sure about him playing Kagiso Rabada in SA. Babar needed rest, sure, but PCB messed everything up.
21:50 Rameez was chairman from September 2021 to December 2022. Probably the worst chairman PCB has ever had under whom we lost 4 and drew 4 tests at home.
But it’s unfair to blame Rameez for pitches against Bangladesh and the first England test 18 months after his ouster. There have been several other chairmen since then and new team management / administrations. They have all been equally clueless.
hell yeah ahmer wear and feel your best bud
Osman on the money. No Rizwan for captaincy, Iove the guy but I wouldn't want to wish Pakistan's captaincy on a keeper like him. PCB is a mess and Rizwan needs to play just as a cricketer and for KP in domestic or whatever the domestic is now.
While we can all enjoy this victory but it’s all short term. PCB is giving too much power to the selectors and letting them choose playing 11 is simply mind boggling. Will they be accountable if results start going agaisnt us? What’s the role of captain and coach? What exactly Aqib and co will do when Pak plays in next in South Africa? Do we have the fast bowlers our batters to do the job? But for now let’s all enjoy Gulab Jaman
100% agree with colonized mentality!
Appreciate Osman for that Rizwan shoutout. No one observed this when he first began but Riz back then had the fastest hands for any wicketkeeper ever.
I don’t like his Saya corp side and the ganging up with Babar to but it’s true that a dogshyte Sarfraz was unfairly preferred over him for too long.
Rizwan is not a #4 player in odi should bat at 5 or 6
Pakistan cricket board should have been proactive during the 10’years isolation. Should have worked in stadiums and pitch infrastructure but did nothing, stadiums look ugly.
guys have you tried asking Rambo to join you in an episode? he might say yes!
Ghustakhi maaf, but I disagree with your view on dropping Babar signalling to youngsters that a lack of form will see you. Out very soon. Babar got a long ass run with this bad form. AND Babar ka dressing room politics wala angle bhi hai jo aap overlook nahi ker sakte. Pakistani players ka na ana merit per hota hai na jana. So they dont act like professionals either, coz professionalism se zyada politics makes or breaks their careers. Lets not whitewash that. Babar’s many coaches have said on record he doesnt listen to their batting tips. Wasim bhai kya Hollioake kya.
Sorry I can't believe that a long history of selection induced insecurity in Pak players will magically not apply in this case.
@@BattaFast ironically Babar’s endless run as an all-powerful captain was meant to end just these ‘insecurity’ concerns only for him to pay it back with ‘roti gang’. 😂
@@BattaFast Nai, more like, if someone is innately insecure, no amount of keeping him in the side will make him secure. He kept himself secure at the cost of the team, the wins, the yari dosti selections... sab secure ker ke bhi kuch na hua. Are you suggesting that we mollycoddle him and not drop him? What message does that send to the performing batters waiting in the wings? like K.G? Too big to fail ala Big American Corps?
Heres an alt way of looking at it: The pitch was going to turn and a struggling Babar would have failed again and dug himself deeper in misery. Horses for courses wali lens se dekhain, tau isnt it okay that he was dropped for a pitch that wasnt going to help him help Pakistan?
Leg spin and reverse swing was our strength thats what wins u matches in Australia its just our batting always failed
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Demerit points possibly for pakistan
Love you guys, don't get me wrong but you guys have been sounding like Saya corps employees for a while now. No player is bigger than Pakistan and the game itself.
Sorry man I will always prefer backing players over board officials and ex players who actively harm the team. Yes no player is bigger but actively destroying systems and processes is not exactly some sign of genius. You have 70 years of evidence of how much that negatively impacts cricket.
batta spin
Sure this is not the way to run a team. Drastic changes are never good. Changes were forced on the team and coaching staff and they didn’t have much say.
But what is our winning formula? Isn’t this our best bet against SENA teams? Shouldn’t we stick with this approach now that finally we have a workable formula? Sure we can tweak a bit, replace Zahid with a pacer who can reverse.
At home, 2 pacers with two spinners and overseas maybe 3 pacers and one spinner. Keep rotating pacers to divide workload.
The only reason I watch the podcast is osman. Almost everything Ahmer says seems off. He does not seem to have that sort of an interest in the game anymore but makes things along as the time goes
He seems like the guy who watches 15 minutes here and there and makes up his mind
Sawal yay hai keh series jeet saktay hain keh nai?
Same pitch pindi me ban jaye Pakistan toss jite ya no jite no problem lekin Pakistan apni bat first me 400 touch kr le toh easily Pakistan jit lga series kyoki reality y hai ki sbse weak team toh England h test cricket ki jiski only socail media p hype h otherwise wtc cycle third chl rhi h England performance kiya nhi h
Pindi me spin mushkil hai@@narendrashekhawat3038
Bhai sab aitchisonian ramiz raja ki tarah nai hotey
In defense of Gillespie, hes relying on local intel (Azhar Mahmood et al) and the reputation of the players. Coming in as a foreign coach (or even a local one) would you expect Shaheen and Naseem to be dogshit in all the games they played? Or that half the batters wont fire (Babar se le ker Rizwan tak)? So Gillespie x Shan relied on the template they had and the reputations they had to work with. Egotistical giants in the room,, and we're languishing at the bottom of the WTC table with such firepower. Aaqib ne sahi kiya. Ok enough of my lambay chitthay comments. Im over the moon that we broke the hoodoo and won. Its like drawing blood from stone. Somehow we did it. We're not total losers at home. Thori optimism is okay.
Thori optimism is OK after saying Aqib ne sahi kiya 😭😭😭
Sorry but believing whoever he did to convince himself you don't need spinners in Asia is hubris and naivety
@@BattaFast Naivete and perhaps an over-appreciation of the pacers.
@@BattaFast Lol I meant ke you guys sound so afsurda here. Kafi soag ka mahol banaya hua hai despite the win.
What would have been your plan to win this 2nd test (from pitch to selection and everything in between)?
Ahmer's colonial analysis is so spot on and yet heartbreaking to listen to. We keep making the same mistakes over and over again, and in the past 3 years of uncertainty over Pakistan cricket, our impetus was to get angraiz coaches and an angraizi speaking captain to save us from ourselves. The lack of self respect in this whole paradigm is truly heartbreaking.
What is more, if not for the niceness of Ahmer, and if he was a bit more confrontational, we would see in full display Osman's shilling for that method of thinking. Osman, dare I say, is the Ramiz Raja of cricket analysis.
my most favorite book ever "between the world and me" he is an absolute artist " Ta-nehsi Coates" i was so excited to hear u talk about it
upload krne se pehle India vala part hata lete lol
yar bht khench daite ho video ko.
Meh aap Dhona koh aik bhat bhattatha khu? Not sure if this is the right nomenclature? Jho bhe. Unless we create athletes we will be left behind. I have 3 sons I feed them chicken breast. Mashallah they’re 6ft + and go to the gym yaar. Aap logh chai pehte rehthe koh. Charro l yaar
Come for cricket analysis, stay for Ahmer Bhai's Ta-Nehisi Coates 'Between the World and Me' (peak Obama era) analogy ❤
Usman Samiuddin saying Rizwan is the best keeper? Dhoni vibes?
Life may ye bhi sunna tha.
Banda har grab par uchalta hai aur jan nick hota hai tu dunia ko maloom hojata hai magar rizwan kandhay uchka deta hai.
Sometimes I really start to question Ahmer's sexuality
From calling Naseem shah hot in PSL to Fapping on Ben stokes, Every once in a while some hot dude seems to get his attraction
Very shady guys 😵💫💀
Love you guys,, following ahmer from very long time Karachi khatmal on Twitter, love your work,, Usman is absolute gem of a person,,