@memes and funny stuff Honestly Jackie Jr asked for it. Time and time again Tony pushed him away from the lifestyle and he still kept trying to prove himself. He got himself killed.
@@astonwolfe1469 Holy Smokes, That's just kinda what I just wrote above in the comments. How could David Chase let this end up on the editing floor? We obviously lost a lot of premise to the prequel of Tony and Dickie live's before Tony became Boss of The DiMeo Crime Family. I wonder how much more ended up being cut out? You know what all? I'm gonna watch Many Saints of Newark again for the 5th time tonight after dinner... BTW, I knew exactly what to expect with MSoN, David Chase said many times that the prequel is gonna cover more about Dickie, than Tony. So when people who never faithfully watched The Sopranos except for the violent scenes then expected a combination of GoodFellas, Casino, GF1, GF2 & 3, then complained how boring MSoN was, just dont know how brilliant HBO The Sopranos really was. I was 25 in 1999, and i'm 50 now when the movie came out. I love The Sopranos series more now as a 50 year old, then I did when it started in 1999 when I was 25.
@@tommymc7535 I feel it can be somewhat redeemed with another movie. They stretched this out too much and didn’t get to what it was supposed to be about. Which was the creation of Tony Soprano
@@tommymc7535 it was bad some parts other parts it was pretty good the black gangster conflict Young Gandolfini’s acting,they should’ve kept the deleted scenes and honestly cut some mediocre scenes from the movie,and also get rid of toupee Silvio
I’m just now realizing, Dickie, was so pissed at him about that comment, because he killed his father. Damn man, I wish they woulda done more with this movie
Especially when Tony said “it’s just something you say…no one actually kills their father…” You could see the self loathing in Dickie’s eyes at that moment
Ray Liotta’s death was so early in the movie they didn’t have time to develop his character. Maybe Chase knew Liotta didn’t have much time left and rushed filming. I completely forgot he killed his father until you brought it up, it wasn’t memorable enough.
@@mkultra2456 Clearly you know nothing about character development. OP even said they realized only now the importance of why he was so pissed because it was a poorly directed scene. Last I checked nobody talks about that scene on any YT videos. They needed to flesh out Liotta’s character before his death.
There wasnt enough johnny soprano in this movie. He was the character i was most exited to see. I was so exited when they casted Bernthal to play him and he was in the damn movie for 3 seconds.
"I swear to God I could fucking kill him." Was also what Tony probably said to himself while dealing with Christopher. On top of that, what separated young Tony from Jackie Jr. was his willingness to hit a man his father's age back.
@YusufTalibsounds like a group of little balled kids that never grew up. We don't have that problem with the mafia in Texas because most people will shoot them for acting like a weird club with their special passwords. Oh no is the mafia not going to let us play in their tree house lmao.
Because Hollywood is obsessed with the notion of a sympathetic villain right now and doesn’t want to tell moviegoers what the Simpsons told people decades ago: some people are just jerks and fine with that.
@noyavush I would use the words “inside jokes” over trash to describe cult film. That said this film isn’t bad but rather the Sopranos doesn’t translate to short film. In the series, what happens here would be subplot for half a season.
Tons of instances of things like that in this movie. Why did no one say anything about Dickie screwing his dad's ex wife after he mysteriously died in the fire?
This was the difference between young Tony and Jackie Jr. Win or lose Tony was up for the fight and not going to let anyone lay hands on him without hitting back. Jackie froze when Tony smacked him. Tony's character was always a tough guy, Jackie Jr wasn't.
Not only is this scene riddled with quotes, but it greatly advances the depth of character for all those involved over the course of the entire Sopranos timeline. Not including this was an absolute miss.
Because David Chase has nothing to prove anymore. He had no real incentive to make the movie as legendary as the series was. He knew fans would watch the movie no matter what he wrote, so he wrote a mediocre script with little to no effort and he still made a shit ton of money doing it.
@@f-22fighterjet84 From what I've seen in his interviews David genuinely found the Newark race riots UTTERLY FASCINATING for some reason and wanted to write this script for some time. A true passion project. The only vehicle any studio would let him touch the material is a Sopranos sequel. If we believe what he's said in interviews he fought hard against the posters claiming it was the story that "made tony soprano"
If this is the flashback memory of when Tony said in therapy "if Carmella let me kick AJ's ass like my Dad kicked my ass he'd probably would've grown up with some balls" then I am hardly impressed. Those girly slaps don't count compared to the beatdowns in the original seasons
Dickie told Johnny to go fuck himself and Johnny didn't say anything. Johnny also popped Tony after anyways, I don't think he was that tore up about it
uhh, Dickie is essentially just a business associate - 'Uncle' is just a nominal term for 'this guy you see around sometimes.' Dickie isn't related to Johnny so I can see why there'd be a small issue.
The problem is that many scenes dealing with Tony’s home life were cut. If it was re-cut, it could be an exploration of how domestic violence creates abusers, but Chase seemed to give up with Tony’s story in the editing room. I didn’t want a 90 minute fangasm but The Many Saints doesn’t even work as a character study. Its writing is so muddled and unfocused that you don’t know who we’re supposed to be following half the time.
@@jackyzimmerman It's not trying to be a conventional movie. It was a TV show, it's like another episode and its pacing is identical to the show. I think he thought people would appreciate that. Tony is the main character of The Sopranos, but the film was oriented toward Dickie. Who was the main character in Pulp Fiction? This movie, even though it's not even in the same league as Pulp Fiction, assertains a loose a unhinged style. It's saying "this is reality, as uncinematic and jarring disconnected as it seems - this is your window to that time". And to all the small writing inconsistencies -- only fans care about that stuff. Writers don't remember that stuff about their own work because most of it is filler to get to the next story point or it's used to make something better that wasn't so great before. It doesn't mean that without it, things don't work. Retconning is fine on small details. And most people misunderstand the character's ages to begin with. It doesn't matter if they're retconned a bit. One or two conversations don't need to hold up to make the show functional. And vice versa, the movie changing them certainly doesn't make it bad.
@@StudioMod I absolutely agree with everything you said about writers not approaching a property the same way fans do. But The Many Saints, in my opinion, failed where Pulp Fiction succeeded. Pulp Fiction uses distinct chapters with strong establishing scenes to create clear plot threads, which eventually converge in a natural way. The Many Saints just sort of throws you into an ensemble cast and that tangles the threads from the start. I understand why some people enjoyed this movie. It takes bold steps away from The Sopranos we know and that expands the fictional world. But for me, the character work is where it really stumbled.
Wow this was a very good scene, this is what MSON should have been. More focus on dickie and his impact on Tony’s life and how they intertwined but instead we got a lesson on diversity and a deep look at dickies Oedipal complexity (eye roll) fukin wasted opportunity .
@@Pksoze ohhh virtue signaling much, you dullard I said a LESSON in it a lesson. I don’t need to be pandered to especially when in a 2 hour movie we focus on a character that’s not important to sopranos lore. And I am black dumbass. It’s not always about race you dope. I loved the movie tenet and the lead was black and it focused on him where as many saints of Newark spent to much time on stupid race riots.
@@cicolasnage5684 People who cry about so called virtue signaling usually have no virtue. And no you didn't go after the character you went after his race saying he was there for diversities sake whatever that is. And you know the race riots actually happened in Newark. Now they're getting shit on for being to historically accurate. And you're as black as David Duke Johnny dipshit.
They propped this movie up like we were going to see Tony become Dickie's protégé and find out how he got introduced to the mob. And what we got was 3/4ths a movie about a couple of characters we had never heard of and didn't really care about. Nothing wrong with introducing new characters outside of the established Canon, but don't sell the movie as something it's not. I felt like the whole movie was just setting up another movie or two to show more about Tony getting into the mob. Which sucks because I thought they had put together a pretty good cast, yet they hardly focused on the characters from the series. The Italian chick and her storyline with Dickie should've been completely cut from the entire movie. Just not good.
@@Pksoze What people are reclaiming is not the scenes of the riots or the new characters, they reclaiming that they literally did marketing saying it was a different story than the one they showed in the movie, that's not correct.
Why did people dislike this? It was a good prequel. It had good acting, the violence looked great. What were people expecting? If this had been an episode of the tv show, nobody woulda complained.
EFFING hollywood. I thought David Chase had more artistic integrity then to let some hollywood hack throw this scene onto the editing floor. God only knows how much premis was lost because of deleted scenes.
The actor that played Johnny in the series was so good, he was slick but brutal. Bernthal’s portrayal just comes off as a dopey thug with zero charisma.
Of course it's cannon. Just because the TV show and movie doesn't show something,doesn't mean it couldn't have happened.He didn't put it in because of time restraints
I like the subversion of Tony actually putting up an okay fight against Dickie instead of just trying to fight and getting his ass kicked by the more experience fighter. You could see him about to grab at his head and push him off before Johnny broke it up.
I love for one split second the camera goes behind Tony, giving us a glimpse of the monster he’s going to become. This movie may be flawed as hell, but these deleted scenes definitely are appreciated.
100% this scene should of stayed…it showed not a darker side of Tony but that he is a fighter, he stands back when his dad hits him but that’s not cause he’s his dad…his dad is the boss, just like father and son in the serious but Tony was a better father that did actually care I think I went a bit off track but this is what’s so amazing about this show and movie…you can talk about it forever lol
I actually loved how this movie showed the real Johnny Soprano and not the goofball in the flashbacks from the show. Really great contrast to show how memories can be different from reality.
I kind of felt it would have been more interesting to make Tony's father the main protagonist. His character was just more interesting in this movie than the latter. I didn't really know what to make of it at the end and didn't really know what it was all about.
That may have played into it but I think they got rid of most of the scenes where tony experiences abuse for some reason. If you watch the other deleted scenes tony is just a punching bag
Hey uncle Dickie , Cool ... Oedipus complex kinda shit ! ... Man those Greeks were far out ! Wanna have a slap fight or somethin' while I wait for my dad ?
If this were the series, ain't no way Tony'd turn down half a sandwich
Hahaha! Right?
@@philmorris2438 I was thinking the same thing
They should've thrown the sandwich in foreshadowing to Vito getting a sandwich thrown at him by Christopher. Like father like son
Especially if it was made with Gabagool, Provolone and Vinegar Peppers
get that egg salad sandwich out of his mouth!
Wouldn't be a certified Bernthal performance without a "lemme tell you sum"
Fcking Christ killa
Jackie Jr. would’ve never said that about his own dad, out of respect for his father…
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Who was his father? He never said.
Outta respect for my faatha, I would never say that about my faaatha - the famous golfer.
@memes and funny stuff Honestly Jackie Jr asked for it. Time and time again Tony pushed him away from the lifestyle and he still kept trying to prove himself. He got himself killed.
This scene had so much more personality than damn near the rest of the movie
Honestly it shouldve been a mini-series than a movie, im finding mad deleted scenes that should've never been deleted bout this film
Holy shit. Where was this
@@astonwolfe1469 Holy Smokes, That's just kinda what I just wrote above in the comments. How could David Chase let this end up on the editing floor? We obviously lost a lot of premise to the prequel of Tony and Dickie live's before Tony became Boss of The DiMeo Crime Family. I wonder how much more ended up being cut out?
You know what all? I'm gonna watch Many Saints of Newark again for the 5th time tonight after dinner...
BTW, I knew exactly what to expect with MSoN, David Chase said many times that the prequel is gonna cover more about Dickie, than Tony. So when people who never faithfully watched The Sopranos except for the violent scenes then expected a combination of GoodFellas, Casino, GF1, GF2 & 3, then complained how boring MSoN was, just dont know how brilliant HBO The Sopranos really was. I was 25 in 1999, and i'm 50 now when the movie came out. I love The Sopranos series more now as a 50 year old, then I did when it started in 1999 when I was 25.
The kid can't act
making it a movie was a stupid idea. movies are inherently inferior to tv series. there's only so much you can do with 2-3 hours
Now I see why Tony put hands on Christopher LOL
"YOU THINK YOURE ALONE IN THIS"
God damn this movie fucking sucked sooo bad. It’s honestly amazing. I might rewatch it in amazement of just how terrible a movie can be.
@@tommymc7535 I feel it can be somewhat redeemed with another movie. They stretched this out too much and didn’t get to what it was supposed to be about. Which was the creation of Tony Soprano
@@tommymc7535 it was bad some parts other parts it was pretty good the black gangster conflict Young Gandolfini’s acting,they should’ve kept the deleted scenes and honestly cut some mediocre scenes from the movie,and also get rid of toupee Silvio
@@tommymc7535 its underwhelming but its not that bad.
The “fuck you” to John was fucking perfect reflection of chris
Twas beautiful
I’m just now realizing, Dickie, was so pissed at him about that comment, because he killed his father. Damn man, I wish they woulda done more with this movie
I think this wouldve worked better as a tv show. Then they couldve fleshed out more characters and storylines.
Guilty conscience..it reminded him of his own sins.
Which is also why he got so mad at Johnny boy for bringing up his father at the end there
Especially when Tony said “it’s just something you say…no one actually kills their father…”
You could see the self loathing in Dickie’s eyes at that moment
Ray Liotta’s death was so early in the movie they didn’t have time to develop his character. Maybe Chase knew Liotta didn’t have much time left and rushed filming. I completely forgot he killed his father until you brought it up, it wasn’t memorable enough.
@@mkultra2456 Clearly you know nothing about character development. OP even said they realized only now the importance of why he was so pissed because it was a poorly directed scene. Last I checked nobody talks about that scene on any YT videos. They needed to flesh out Liotta’s character before his death.
There wasnt enough johnny soprano in this movie. He was the character i was most exited to see. I was so exited when they casted Bernthal to play him and he was in the damn movie for 3 seconds.
Sounds like someone is gay for johnny… freakin finoc
@@salatalar8343 im not gay. Its a blood pressure medication i was taking, it fucked with my head
@@magicargo1232 can u get a prescription from ur doctor? As a proof
@@salatalar8343 yeah, a letter from my doctor saying i dont like to suck cock
Yea he received zero character development whatsoever in the movie. His hair was in the toilet water. Disgusting
One thing I’ve noticed when tony fights. He has a signature move. Pushing people against a wall.
it's a Big Guy tactic. keeps smaller guys from getting loose and rabbiting.
@@newfiejesus "rabbiting". I dunno why thats a funny word to think about in the context of fighting.
@@awakenow7147 i mean if your going against a big guy you gotta keep distance and land shots
@@valveezy6672 I concur. I've just never heard the term "rabbiting" before
The Soprano Shove!
This did NOT deserve to be cut from the movie,
This scene does not have the making of varsity athlete
Just when they thought they were in.
They pulled them out
But it did…. Based off the fact that Dickie doesnt even acknowledge knowing who Carmela is when she is his first cousin.
@@Skeptic27 yeah she is his niece after all that's why it get cutted, but the most part it's really good.
@@guiltyhxc Godfather Part III(1990).
Even as a teenager, Tony's hands were made for punishment. You can tell Dickie felt like he just got punched.
Tony never had the makings of a varsity athlete, small hands that was his problem.
@@logancraddick7507 he wanted big hands, he comprised, became the friend with the stomach.
@@logancraddick7507 “I don’t wanna hear it again! End of subject!”
@@Grym0626 You don't like the way i talk? get out of my house!
Then the literal punisher walks in.
AJ: One of these days I will kick your fucking ass!
Tony: What's wrong with right now huh??!!!
AJ: 😐
🤣 aj has the makeing of a varsity athlete that's why.
He's so little, I couldn't even hit him if I wanted. Carmelas side of the family, their little people!
"I swear to God I could fucking kill him." Was also what Tony probably said to himself while dealing with Christopher. On top of that, what separated young Tony from Jackie Jr. was his willingness to hit a man his father's age back.
He also didn't always say "My fahda" everytime something didn't go his way.
Now that I think about it, AJ and Patsy had Tony killed.
Exactly. The way Jackie Jr pussed up in that restroom
@YusufTalibsounds like a group of little balled kids that never grew up. We don't have that problem with the mafia in Texas because most people will shoot them for acting like a weird club with their special passwords. Oh no is the mafia not going to let us play in their tree house lmao.
@YusufTalibYeah both Jackie April & Richie were dead so ain't nobody gonna protect Jackie Jr which is why he ran to the ghetto.
The deleted scenes amazingly portrayed Tony's dad as a jerk and explained a lot about his character. Why the f&$k were they deleted?!
prolly bc we alrdy knew he was a jerk
i do admit that shane didnt get enough screen time
David Chase said he wanted the movie to be exactly two hours long and got obsessed with the idea.
Because Hollywood is obsessed with the notion of a sympathetic villain right now and doesn’t want to tell moviegoers what the Simpsons told people decades ago: some people are just jerks and fine with that.
Johnny Boy wasn't a jerk in the show
@@noluntas he was and he was
“You outta your mind laying your hands on me?! Imma made guy!”
Fvck UA-cam
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I’m here outta respect for my father
A) dickie hit em
B) dickie was a hooer
C) He was on a lot of coke
@@attila_the_hunk9685 Dickie came at Tone with a chainsaw, he had a right to defend himself
Now we know how and why Tony became like he was.
@ᅠ ᅠ ᅠ ᅠ ᅠ ᅠ ᅠ ᅠ ᅠ ᅠ ᅠ ᅠ ᅠ ᅠ ᅠᅠ ᅠ ᅠ ᅠ noyavush the idea is that if it's believable and/or relatable it can really illuminate a fictional character
@ᅠ ᅠ ᅠ ᅠ ᅠ ᅠ ᅠ ᅠ ᅠ ᅠ ᅠ ᅠ ᅠ ᅠ ᅠᅠ ᅠ ᅠ ᅠ noyavush fight club, big lebowski, pulp fiction? All trash?
Yep
@noyavush
I would use the words “inside jokes” over trash to describe cult film.
That said this film isn’t bad but rather the Sopranos doesn’t translate to short film.
In the series, what happens here would be subplot for half a season.
noyavush put the list of 150 up bozo
Isn’t Carmela a first cousin to Dickie? You’d think that Tony or Dickie would mention something to that effect.
Tons of instances of things like that in this movie. Why did no one say anything about Dickie screwing his dad's ex wife after he mysteriously died in the fire?
@@artie649 Still good, still good. Tons of things I bit my tongue on just because we got something Soprano.....I can't complain.
That's why it was cut out.
@@jaysource8302 still strange why they would film it to begin with. Did the screenwriters forget that? Odd
Yes
I am like addicted to this scene. It's so funny. Typical, Dickie takes his guilt out on Tony over killing his Father because Tony just said it.
That’s true it makes sense
Wow props to you, that went over my head to be honest
WHY wasn't this in the movie??? It would've been so much better. Also, I like how Gandolfini walks like his father.
Cause they didn't want ppl complaining about a kid getting slapped
@@goldenboyboxer1353 sad times when art is being sacrificed to appease snowflakes
@@EP_mc You call sopranos art ?😂, no wonder why America is the way it is
@@mansagarus9226 I’m irish u sausage but media is art yes
@@EP_mc You act as if that’s better ? Only thing you’re good at is getting wasted at a pub or getting recked by the British
Well… now I know why Tony never really talked about his dad in the sopranos.
He was a saint!
Tony had such a outlaw mentality whether it was law enforcement or mob laws
@@cactusmalone wanna be a big bad guy, Cwistepha?!
It's that damn teen angst, they wanna be counter culture no matter what it is😅
Johnny: Whaddya say to him?
Tony: Go get ya shinebox
Tony said his son must be loyle to his capo.
That final slap. Priceless.
This was the difference between young Tony and Jackie Jr. Win or lose Tony was up for the fight and not going to let anyone lay hands on him without hitting back. Jackie froze when Tony smacked him. Tony's character was always a tough guy, Jackie Jr wasn't.
HOW COULD THEY NOT HAVE LEFT THIS SCENE IN THE GOD DAMN MOVIE. this is like, so important
I'm sure Georgie would love seeing this.
Loll
Tony was a prick tbh he picked on Georgie like a bully.
Why was this even a deleted scene? Lmao it's the best scene in the movie!
Haha I know right! Best scene in that f***ing movie, and they delete it 😂
Sick shit, the best scene of the movie isn’t in the movie.
@@lucasdamotta2931 😂 I know right, I think the scene wasn't "woke" enough for the movie lol
@@lucasdamotta2931 satananic black magic shit
@@erchipamogli3559 🤣🤣
Amazing how Gandolfini just looks and acts just like his dad- I mean just the way he walks reminds me of Tony’s walk ( his dads version of Tony )
James would had been proud of Michael.
Even as a lil brat, Tony always was ready for hands.
As Silvio said, Tony had problems with authority.
Only Tony Soprano would hit a made man back after he got hit
Dickie was never made
@@alexk6343 bruh…..😂
That last slap was perfect lol
lol tony was already tougher than dickie
The movie wasn’t that bad. But they could’ve done so much more though.
They should’ve made it into a show. There’s more story to tell here.
For a movie it was great but for a sopranos movie it could’ve done better
@@cactusmalone Maybe because he hadn’t seen the sopranos Idk just a shot in the dark.
Tbh I loved the movie
THERE WAS SOOO MUCH CUT FROM THIIS MOVIE THIS COULD'VE BEEN SO GOOD WTF.
Directors cut time!
Yeah. Anticlimactic that's for sure.
Maybe I set my expectations too high.
This should've been a 4 hour film. I don't think anyone of us would've minded
This really should of been a tv series. Too much story to put in just one movie.
It is good u prick u
Not only is this scene riddled with quotes, but it greatly advances the depth of character for all those involved over the course of the entire Sopranos timeline. Not including this was an absolute miss.
It’s like they knew this scene was actually good and couldn’t put it in to risk making the movie worth watching.
I don't think we'll ever really know why the movie turned out as it did
Because small hats with fat pockets intended to ruin the Sopranos legacy. Just like D&D did with GOT.
All I know is it never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
@@sinnersmakethebestsaints1890 so just for no reason basically?
Because David Chase has nothing to prove anymore. He had no real incentive to make the movie as legendary as the series was. He knew fans would watch the movie no matter what he wrote, so he wrote a mediocre script with little to no effort and he still made a shit ton of money doing it.
@@f-22fighterjet84 From what I've seen in his interviews David genuinely found the Newark race riots UTTERLY FASCINATING for some reason and wanted to write this script for some time. A true passion project. The only vehicle any studio would let him touch the material is a Sopranos sequel. If we believe what he's said in interviews he fought hard against the posters claiming it was the story that "made tony soprano"
A mini series would've been so good
Seriously
I agree
If this is the flashback memory of when Tony said in therapy "if Carmella let me kick AJ's ass like my Dad kicked my ass he'd probably would've grown up with some balls" then I am hardly impressed. Those girly slaps don't count compared to the beatdowns in the original seasons
This is not his dad, so it’s not.
No way Johnny gets pissed at Dickie for slapping Tony. Especially in those days.
Dickie told Johnny to go fuck himself and Johnny didn't say anything. Johnny also popped Tony after anyways, I don't think he was that tore up about it
uhh, Dickie is essentially just a business associate - 'Uncle' is just a nominal term for 'this guy you see around sometimes.' Dickie isn't related to Johnny so I can see why there'd be a small issue.
it wasn't just a slap they were actually fighting, that alone is worth raising a brow about
No I think even back in the 70's men would get pissed if a grown man hit his teenage son.
@@richiefranklin76 sure more things would slide but they weren’t fucking savages 😂
Honestly this should’ve been a mini series instead it could’ve been so much different
All of the deleted scenes are excellent. I have NO idea why they removed them. They're all Oscar level.
Lmao I wouldn’t go that far. I don’t think you quite understand what is required to be considered Oscar worthy.
@@marlinchen6315 i know what the academy looks for when nominating films to get an oscar, and this movie ain’t it.
@@isruliusStill going, this asshole 😂
James will be so proud of his son
This is scene is so good to me. This shows the type of way violence was used in Tony’s life and how it affected him.
The problem is that many scenes dealing with Tony’s home life were cut. If it was re-cut, it could be an exploration of how domestic violence creates abusers, but Chase seemed to give up with Tony’s story in the editing room. I didn’t want a 90 minute fangasm but The Many Saints doesn’t even work as a character study. Its writing is so muddled and unfocused that you don’t know who we’re supposed to be following half the time.
@@jackyzimmerman It's not trying to be a conventional movie. It was a TV show, it's like another episode and its pacing is identical to the show. I think he thought people would appreciate that. Tony is the main character of The Sopranos, but the film was oriented toward Dickie. Who was the main character in Pulp Fiction? This movie, even though it's not even in the same league as Pulp Fiction, assertains a loose a unhinged style. It's saying "this is reality, as uncinematic and jarring disconnected as it seems - this is your window to that time".
And to all the small writing inconsistencies -- only fans care about that stuff. Writers don't remember that stuff about their own work because most of it is filler to get to the next story point or it's used to make something better that wasn't so great before. It doesn't mean that without it, things don't work. Retconning is fine on small details. And most people misunderstand the character's ages to begin with. It doesn't matter if they're retconned a bit. One or two conversations don't need to hold up to make the show functional. And vice versa, the movie changing them certainly doesn't make it bad.
@@StudioMod I absolutely agree with everything you said about writers not approaching a property the same way fans do. But The Many Saints, in my opinion, failed where Pulp Fiction succeeded. Pulp Fiction uses distinct chapters with strong establishing scenes to create clear plot threads, which eventually converge in a natural way. The Many Saints just sort of throws you into an ensemble cast and that tangles the threads from the start. I understand why some people enjoyed this movie. It takes bold steps away from The Sopranos we know and that expands the fictional world. But for me, the character work is where it really stumbled.
Really good
@@StudioMod I don't think you're wrong about everything, but you try too hard to make excuses for the movie just because you like.
It looks set in the same universe as The Irishman. 2:21 I expect Pacino to walk in screen right and start breaking everyone's balls lol
I heard you paint Phil’s houses..
@@brandonhuynh4528I heard you make hamburgers, Kaz.
Wow this was a very good scene, this is what MSON should have been. More focus on dickie and his impact on Tony’s life and how they intertwined but instead we got a lesson on diversity and a deep look at dickies Oedipal complexity (eye roll) fukin wasted opportunity .
Diversity...what you're mad that there are black people in Newark...seriously.
@@Pksoze ohhh virtue signaling much, you dullard I said a LESSON in it a lesson. I don’t need to be pandered to especially when in a 2 hour movie we focus on a character that’s not important to sopranos lore. And I am black dumbass. It’s not always about race you dope. I loved the movie tenet and the lead was black and it focused on him where as many saints of Newark spent to much time on stupid race riots.
@@cicolasnage5684 People who cry about so called virtue signaling usually have no virtue. And no you didn't go after the character you went after his race saying he was there for diversities sake whatever that is. And you know the race riots actually happened in Newark. Now they're getting shit on for being to historically accurate.
And you're as black as David Duke Johnny dipshit.
They propped this movie up like we were going to see Tony become Dickie's protégé and find out how he got introduced to the mob. And what we got was 3/4ths a movie about a couple of characters we had never heard of and didn't really care about.
Nothing wrong with introducing new characters outside of the established Canon, but don't sell the movie as something it's not.
I felt like the whole movie was just setting up another movie or two to show more about Tony getting into the mob. Which sucks because I thought they had put together a pretty good cast, yet they hardly focused on the characters from the series. The Italian chick and her storyline with Dickie should've been completely cut from the entire movie. Just not good.
@@Pksoze What people are reclaiming is not the scenes of the riots or the new characters, they reclaiming that they literally did marketing saying it was a different story than the one they showed in the movie, that's not correct.
Jon Bernthal really nails the “hard-ass tough guy with a permanent scowl who talks like he’s taking huge dump” role
Does Tony not know that Dickie is Carmela’s cousin? If he did you’d think he’d refrain from mentioning that he made out with her once
Carmelas uncle I think
Dickie and Carmela are first cousins. So stupid that neither Tony or Dickie even acknowledge it.
@@cactusmalone he later died of Alzheimer's
@@UnhappyMerchant LOL!
This is not canon
2:29 Jon bernthal has always got something to tell somebody
0:48 When I visit my home country and people find out I'm single then proceed to play matchmaker.
😂😂😂 That last smack
Tony hit a made guy he’s got BALLZ
All this ova some hygenie WHOOAH
the books were closed I don't think Dickie was made ....anyway the movie was a dud....
I think robbing a made guys (La Mannas) card game took more gabagools but you right
@@frydza2091 Oooooh!!! 🤌🇮🇹🍝
You call that balls? Balls is looking a guy in the eye while you drive an icepick through his lung.
1:32 Dickie and Carmela are first cousins. How does Dickie not know who she is?
2:29
M'tellyew sumthin
He always fucking does this no matter what movie/tv series he's in i love it
Why did people dislike this? It was a good prequel. It had good acting, the violence looked great. What were people expecting? If this had been an episode of the tv show, nobody woulda complained.
As Sil told Tony years later....
Toonne..You got a problem with authority..
EFFING hollywood. I thought David Chase had more artistic integrity then to let some hollywood hack throw this scene onto the editing floor. God only knows how much premis was lost because of deleted scenes.
The actor that played Johnny in the series was so good, he was slick but brutal. Bernthal’s portrayal just comes off as a dopey thug with zero charisma.
"Let me tell you something"
-Shane
The real crime of this movie was letting us see Jon bernthal as Johnny boy and not using him more
Every scene with Tony was so much better than the rest of this film.
Whatdya asking him for... He never had the makings of a Varsity Slap boxer
Anton Cigurgh before he went found out about 1 million dollars in a case.
Haha f*** that's funny! He definitely has the Chigurgh hair 🧔♀️
@@soulsurfer639 I literally thought it was the same guy until i saw the face from up close.
@Alex Schmidt When uncle Dickie smacked him, I thought he was gunna pull out a quarter
This scene is cannon, no one can tell me otherwise.
Of course it's cannon.
Just because the TV show and movie doesn't show something,doesn't mean it couldn't have happened.He didn't put it in because of time restraints
It was too good of a scene to be put in that garbage movie 🎬
You can see why Tony grew up so tough, when he had a cold mf like Jon Bernthal as his dad.
Junior was a better father to Tony than his own father was.
That sandwich never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
Tony is strong as a bull already here
No soft drinks, no sandwich of choice. No wonder it ended badly.
I don’t remember this scene, I’ll have to watch it again
Deleted scene.
Shouldn’t Dickie know who Carmela is considering they’re literally first cousins, their parents are siblings
That last smack at the end LMFAO
THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN A LIMITED SERIES!!!!
Surprised Johnny didn’t start rubbing his head when he said let me tell you something
You could tell from the trailer there were many deleted scenes... makes no sense how this didn't make the cut...
I like how dickie has the same mannerisms as chris.
Well his father wasn't a saint after all 😂😂😂
I like the subversion of Tony actually putting up an okay fight against Dickie instead of just trying to fight and getting his ass kicked by the more experience fighter. You could see him about to grab at his head and push him off before Johnny broke it up.
Tony Soprano always seemed to be freakishly strong in the series.
I love for one split second the camera goes behind Tony, giving us a glimpse of the monster he’s going to become.
This movie may be flawed as hell, but these deleted scenes definitely are appreciated.
this version of johnny boy was so much darker than the johnny boy in the sopranos series... one of the few things i admire from the movie
Tony is getting knocked all over here.
100% this scene should of stayed…it showed not a darker side of Tony but that he is a fighter, he stands back when his dad hits him but that’s not cause he’s his dad…his dad is the boss, just like father and son in the serious but Tony was a better father that did actually care
I think I went a bit off track but this is what’s so amazing about this show and movie…you can talk about it forever lol
I guess when Gandolfini Jr gets older, they will do a reboot
We don’t want a reboot, we want to see him as young Tony.
@@rahatahmed6188 Nobody wants nowdays, but it is easier to remake something than creating something new (Movie/Series Industries Thinking)
Tony has a varsity jacket on.
Tony ratted on him right away , even from a young age
I actually loved how this movie showed the real Johnny Soprano and not the goofball in the flashbacks from the show. Really great contrast to show how memories can be different from reality.
Lmao, Tony was winning I think, bros strong 😂
No wonder tony was angry at everybody at that mob
He used to be a Christopher 🤣🤌🏽🤌🏽🤌🏽
Lol I feel bad for tony here he got slapped by his fav uncle plus his dad
If would have been interesting to know what Dr. Melfi would have made of this scene.
I kind of felt it would have been more interesting to make Tony's father the main protagonist. His character was just more interesting in this movie than the latter. I didn't really know what to make of it at the end and didn't really know what it was all about.
how is one scene 10 times better then the whole movie, and a better question why tf was it cut LOL
IT MAKES no sense tbh. dickie should have known who carmella was since they were cousins.
Little Tony never had making of varsity athlete either lmao
It gets cut out cause Dickie would have known Carmela was his first cousin
That may have played into it but I think they got rid of most of the scenes where tony experiences abuse for some reason. If you watch the other deleted scenes tony is just a punching bag
Dickie was just upset because he murdered his own father!
Hey uncle Dickie , Cool ... Oedipus complex kinda shit ! ... Man those Greeks were far out ! Wanna have a slap fight or somethin' while I wait for my dad ?
😂🤣😭LMFAO!!!
My dad would’ve stuck up for me too and then asked “what the fuck did you do” when we were alone along with the smack 😂
I don't remember this scene even being in the movie but it's actually a really good scene.
Right here Tony had the makings of a varsity athlete
Ahh shit..borko
Your gta character looks like a gay fresh of the boat Palestinian
@@kilokilo9034 what’d ya say?
@@kilokilo9034 😂😂😂
I'm so disappointed that this scene wasn't in the final cut.