Blind Test: Technics SL-1200G vs SL100C (SL-1500C) - Lossless Files - Vinyl - hana

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  • @altadefinicionhd2022
    @altadefinicionhd2022 3 місяці тому +6

    As I mentioned on your Facebook, the test was not fair, as the price difference is huge.
    But after listening to the samples of Madonna's song, I notice that both sound very similar.
    This test makes one thing clear: where the investment should be made is in the cartridge, and not in the turntable, as that is where there are clear differences with tighter price margins.
    Excuse my English. I use Google Translator.

    • @luisrodriguez8639
      @luisrodriguez8639 3 місяці тому +2

      Estas demasiado equivocado, yo prefiero un Linn Sondek con un cartucho AT-95 shibata que ese SL1200 SL100 con un 2M Black

    • @altadefinicionhd2022
      @altadefinicionhd2022 3 місяці тому

      @@luisrodriguez8639 Disculpa, pero me parece que el que estás equivocado eres tú.

    • @luisrodriguez8639
      @luisrodriguez8639 3 місяці тому

      @@altadefinicionhd2022 Hace tiempo tenia un SL1200mk2, luego un Thorens y luego un Linn Sondek, yo se lo que hablo

    • @altadefinicionhd2022
      @altadefinicionhd2022 3 місяці тому

      @@luisrodriguez8639 Seguro que sí. Pues nada, disfruta con tu giradiscos y tu cápsula. Un saludo.

    • @Grimwriggler
      @Grimwriggler 3 місяці тому

      @@luisrodriguez8639Agreed i have a Linn sondek with a 60s Pickering V- 15 and it is superb

  • @carloslaurenzmastering
    @carloslaurenzmastering 3 місяці тому +1

    Very interesting comparison! Interesting how close they are but...
    B sounds better overall. It has a wider stereo image, better definition of instruments, layers and space. The highs are a bit smoother and the lows are a tad better defined.
    Thank you HiFisquarepants!

  • @Grimwriggler
    @Grimwriggler 3 місяці тому +1

    Great test , both sound fantastic , B just has it

  • @6Rhyme
    @6Rhyme 7 днів тому +1

    The difference what i hear is the same if i change my 3mm mat to 6mm version.

  • @stereo-nomad
    @stereo-nomad 3 місяці тому +3

    I used a pair of Focal Utopia 22 for this comparison and even then it was so close but B ultimately triumphed with better vocal imaging and instrument separation. While A was slightly more compressed sounding in comparison?

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому

      Thank you :) This is how the voting goes:
      A: 5
      B: 20
      No winner: 2
      This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel

  • @MacXpert74
    @MacXpert74 3 місяці тому +3

    Both sound good and the difference is subtle. But I think B sounds a bit more detailed and has better demping with better (micro) dynamics. The sound seems 'sharper', if that makes sense. Also the stereo width seems a little better on B. So my guess is B is the 1200 G. If not, than the 100C is a really great deal! 😅

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому +1

      Thank you :) This is how the voting goes:
      A: 5
      B: 20
      No winner: 2
      This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel

    • @MacXpert74
      @MacXpert74 3 місяці тому

      @@HiFisquarepants Thanks for the update, I look forward to the reveal. It would be funny if we're all wrong! 😂

  • @aidanpallister7784
    @aidanpallister7784 3 місяці тому +3

    I think this a a great example of the diminishing returns of this hobby. B sounds better to me and more enjoyable to listen to, but not by much. My guess would be that B is the G and at 4 to 5 x the cost of the 100c it’s a pretty modest difference in sound. If B is the 100c, I’m buying one tomorrow!

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому

      Thank you :) This is how the voting goes:
      A: 5
      B: 20
      No winner: 2
      This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel

  • @Innersensefr
    @Innersensefr 3 місяці тому +4

    B all the way, more detailed and spaced ❤

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому

      Thank you :) This is how the voting goes:
      A: 5
      B: 20
      No winner: 2
      This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel

  • @packgrog
    @packgrog 3 місяці тому +2

    Just from the first sample alone, on an M1 MacBook Air's speakers, I could tell that "B" was far smoother, deeper, and more spacious sounding. "A" sounds brighter, harsher, flatter, and more "digital" sounding. No contest, not at all subtle. Subsequent samples just confirm this.
    I suspect that something like a SDS mat between platter and rubber mat on the SL100C could close the gap a bit and make the differences more subtle. Better feet could probably help as well. Assuming that both decks are using identical cable connections for this test, the biggest improvements seem bound to be mechanical. I'd be very curious how close you could get the SL100C with mods sounding to the 1200G without mods, without completely breaking the bank. That's what I've tried to do with my 1210GR and APM Achromat, Isonoe feet, and changes to torque setting (the SL100C *SHOULD* be operating by default at the lower torque setting, I believe).
    Thank you for this! Extremely useful comparison.

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому

      Thank you :) This is how the voting goes:
      A: 5
      B: 20
      No winner: 2
      This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel

  • @owlnswan4016
    @owlnswan4016 3 місяці тому +2

    I just played "Like a Virgin" from the 24/192 samples - "A" sounds like a record. There's nothing that bad about it. "B" sounds like real music in comparison. I almost don't hear a record being played in comparison, for lack of a better phrase. Everything just comes to life better, with a wider, more open image with better depth, greater rendering of the different colors and textures, dynamics, musical cohesiveness, the rhythm tightness snap and swing, etc., and its all just more engaging. Wow. It sounds amazing...and this is from a 1980s 14 bit digital recording, though a beautifully produced and engineered one.
    I hope you transferred the whole album with "B".

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому +2

      Thank you :) I'll record full LPs with the Umami Red ;)
      This is how the voting goes:
      A: 5
      B: 20
      No winner: 2
      This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel

  • @BeMJDivinityInMotion
    @BeMJDivinityInMotion 3 місяці тому +2

    Both sound excellent 👏. I can't explain what but there's "something" that makes me vote for B as my favourite 😍🤩

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому

      Thank you :) This is how the voting goes:
      A: 5
      B: 20
      No winner: 2
      This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel

  • @OldMusicOnVinyl1
    @OldMusicOnVinyl1 3 місяці тому

    The difference is subtle, but B sounds bigger and more detailed overall. It's the most drastic in "Peaches en Regalia" -- on B you can really make out the snare drum much better than the other turntable.

  • @stephenburbank7283
    @stephenburbank7283 3 місяці тому +4

    A is the 100c B is the 1200g.

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому

      Thank you :) This is how the voting goes:
      A: 5
      B: 20
      No winner: 2
      This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel

  • @mtemura1822
    @mtemura1822 3 місяці тому +1

    B sounds better and extended on both extremes while A sounds compact and compressed in comparison.

  • @nickdiba7512
    @nickdiba7512 3 місяці тому +3

    If you let the comments show, of course everybody will say the same thing the ones before said. Nobody wants to be the only one to be "wrong".

    • @pompeyjim
      @pompeyjim 3 місяці тому

      @@nickdiba7512 It's almost like that's how people behaved during the alleged thing a few years ago 🤔

    • @OldMusicOnVinyl1
      @OldMusicOnVinyl1 3 місяці тому

      Yeah, people have to be careful with blind tests. I listened before reading the comments to make a better judgment.

  • @IrenESorius
    @IrenESorius 3 місяці тому +2

    I cant tell them apart,, 😅.
    What pick up is it?
    It sounds really really good.
    Cheers from Sweden,, ☕😋🍰

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому

      Thank you :) hana MH
      This is how the voting goes:
      A: 5
      B: 20
      No winner: 2
      This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel

  • @kisnemet
    @kisnemet 3 місяці тому

    It seems the playback speeds are different. B is spinning faster than A (checked the samples in audacity)

  • @pompeyjim
    @pompeyjim 3 місяці тому +1

    Not listening on the best system here but B sounds better. Edit.. Certainly on round one and two it does. The vocal on round teo really stands out. On my system, round three there's not much in it. Seems like better mids on B in round one and two.

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому

      Thank you :) This is how the voting goes:
      A: 5
      B: 20
      No winner: 2
      This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel

  • @littlejoe2010
    @littlejoe2010 3 місяці тому +1

    B sounds fuller, but A has a more laid-back depth to the soundstage - B is better

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому

      Thank you :) This is how the voting goes:
      A: 5
      B: 20
      No winner: 2
      This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel

  • @matthewbof
    @matthewbof 3 місяці тому +2

    Based on musicality i definitely prefer b

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому

      Thank you :) This is how the voting goes:
      A: 5
      B: 20
      No winner: 2
      This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel

  • @gsherlock
    @gsherlock 3 місяці тому +1

    I think B is the G, more impact, clarity and depth.

  • @manuel7873
    @manuel7873 3 місяці тому

    Vamos a jugar
    Claramente suenan diferentes
    Me quedo con el B
    Y sea cual sea cada uno, para mí ninguno es 5 veces mejor/peor que el otro
    Esperando el desenlace

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому

      Gracias por participar :) Así van las votaciones:
      A: 5
      B: 20
      No winner: 2
      Este domingo desvelaré cuál es cuál en mi canal secundario :)

  • @theomindschrddr7983
    @theomindschrddr7983 3 місяці тому +3

    Certainly B is the G

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому +1

      Thank you :) This is how the voting goes:
      A: 5
      B: 20
      No winner: 2
      This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel

  • @UltrafineDeluxe
    @UltrafineDeluxe 3 місяці тому +2

    I prefer B but it's close enough that I'm not sure it isnt placebo.

    • @packgrog
      @packgrog 3 місяці тому +2

      I don't think it's close at all. Sample B by a mile.

    • @owlnswan4016
      @owlnswan4016 3 місяці тому +1

      @@packgrog Yes, agree. Wow.
      To anyone using a computer to play these. Put the files in an audio editor and setup a multitrack session where you can instantly solo one file vs the other. The more you play them in such a comparison, the difference shown is all the more impressive.

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому +1

      Thank you :) This is how the voting goes:
      A: 5
      B: 20
      No winner: 2
      This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel

  • @dani_corbelli
    @dani_corbelli 3 місяці тому

    Me quedo claramente con el B, parece tener mayor escena, definición y control de graves que el A que tiene un grave retumbón y mucha sonoridad pero que parece algo más enmascarado y menos claro. Puede que el B sea el 1200G y el A el 100C. No obstante donde difieren realmente es en el tacto y las prestaciones, la sensación de calidad al manejarlos. Por experiencia.

    • @dani_corbelli
      @dani_corbelli 3 місяці тому

      Por otro lado hacer esta prueba en el teléfono y con unos cascos sencillos no da mucha resolución. Lo ideal sería haberlo probado en el equipo con alta resolución.

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому

      @@dani_corbelli Gracias por participar, Dani. Puedes decargar los archivos de alta resolución sin pérdida y reproducirlos en tu equipo: drive.google.com/file/d/1GPLtNgcyiVrIj9bHvaNrD3ZczkMOAvqz/view?usp=sharing

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому

      ua-cam.com/video/8JomkvtRM1M/v-deo.htmlsi=k0bWCBqnfnUCrFDu

  • @brianmorecombe2726
    @brianmorecombe2726 Місяць тому +1

    Just buy the one that costs less.I have.

  • @ThresholdZhor
    @ThresholdZhor 3 місяці тому +1

    Me gusta mas el B aunque en las bajas frecuencias es un poco mas debil

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому

      Gracias :D Así van las votaciones:
      A: 5
      B: 20
      No winner: 2
      This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel

  • @alexcarranza2688
    @alexcarranza2688 3 місяці тому +1

    B is the one for me. 😅

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому

      Thank you :) This is how the voting goes:
      A: 5
      B: 20
      No winner: 2
      This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel

  • @tzahy4968
    @tzahy4968 3 місяці тому +1

    B its my favorite!

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому +1

      Thank you :) This is how the voting goes:
      A: 5
      B: 20
      No winner: 2
      This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel

    • @tzahy4968
      @tzahy4968 3 місяці тому

      @@HiFisquarepants o.k i will follow you! Love your comparison! You are the best!

  • @adrianroberts7478
    @adrianroberts7478 3 місяці тому +2

    I hope A is the 100C 😉

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому

      Thank you :) This is how the voting goes:
      A: 5
      B: 20
      No winner: 2
      This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel

  • @zardportugal
    @zardportugal 2 місяці тому +2

    B is better all the way.

  • @Mike-76
    @Mike-76 3 місяці тому

    Hola, creo que prefiero A. Pero está la cosa muy igualada. En algún tema prefiero B , pero creo que A suena más “aireado” y algo mejor en general.
    Salud! 👍🏻

  • @suleymancakr6724
    @suleymancakr6724 2 місяці тому

    What about Technics SL1200MK7

  • @wm2357
    @wm2357 3 місяці тому

    I don't think I can tell the difference, I'd be happy with either.

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому +1

      Thank you :) This is how the voting goes:
      A: 5
      B: 20
      No winner: 2
      This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel

    • @wm2357
      @wm2357 3 місяці тому

      Thanks for all the work

  • @eugeniogarcia3426
    @eugeniogarcia3426 3 місяці тому

    Yo prefiero el B. Me suena más completo y equilibrado.

  • @paolotessarini2720
    @paolotessarini2720 3 місяці тому +3

    I prefer A, more balanced. B sounds more inconsistent, smaller & flatter. That said, i want a 1200G too !!!

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому +1

      Thank you :) This is how the voting goes:
      A: 5
      B: 20
      No winner: 2
      This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel

    • @paolotessarini2720
      @paolotessarini2720 3 місяці тому

      @@HiFisquarepants Can't wait !

  • @adrimdgo3817
    @adrimdgo3817 3 місяці тому

    En el primer round prefiero el A, luego me suenan igual ambos.

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому

      Gracias, Adri :) Dentro de un rato desvelo cuál es cuál.

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому

      ua-cam.com/video/8JomkvtRM1M/v-deo.htmlsi=k0bWCBqnfnUCrFDu

  • @seaslyd
    @seaslyd 3 місяці тому +1

    B

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому +1

      Thank you :) This is how the voting goes:
      A: 5
      B: 20
      No winner: 2
      This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel

  • @makimakipapura7543
    @makimakipapura7543 3 місяці тому

    Can it play 78rpm

  • @thomasdix8453
    @thomasdix8453 2 місяці тому

    On my MacBook , A sounds better, yet, not a great system used to evaluate 😅

  • @josejlfb
    @josejlfb 3 місяці тому +3

    They sound exactly the same. I must be going deaf. 😢😢

    • @queputaleche
      @queputaleche 3 місяці тому

      You aren't José. I downloaded the files, ploted the spectrum, and overlayed the images, and they are 99,9 % the same, and the 0.1 % difference is in the almost inaudible region. We may not hear all, but I can see pretty well.

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому

      Thank you :) This is how the voting goes:
      A: 5
      B: 20
      No winner: 2
      This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому

      ua-cam.com/video/8JomkvtRM1M/v-deo.htmlsi=k0bWCBqnfnUCrFDu

    • @queputaleche
      @queputaleche 3 місяці тому

      @@HiFisquarepants por qué no puedo ver mi comentario?

  • @REX4340
    @REX4340 3 місяці тому

    A is clearer so guess thats the more expensive deck.

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому +1

      Thank you :) This is how the voting goes:
      A: 5
      B: 20
      No winner: 2
      This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel

  • @manowire2112
    @manowire2112 3 місяці тому +2

    B is better on my system.

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому

      Thank you :) This is how the voting goes:
      A: 5
      B: 20
      No winner: 2
      This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel

  • @eltucamote3903
    @eltucamote3903 2 місяці тому

    A=g b=c l prefer c

  • @RT-ri8lb
    @RT-ri8lb 3 місяці тому +2

    Just using a good pair of over ear B&W headphones bluetoothed from a decent tv I think B is the G. Space and air, separation, dimensionality the give away. Curious to see the dollar difference in the rigs. Differences are slight but noticeable. Thanks for all your great content!

    • @-x21-
      @-x21- 3 місяці тому +1

      SL-100C was 999 USD and the 1200c was 4299 USD.

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому

      Thank you :) This is how the voting goes:
      A: 5
      B: 20
      No winner: 2
      This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel

  • @aikineo
    @aikineo 3 місяці тому

    A is more well-rounded

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому

      Thank you :) This is how the voting goes:
      A: 5
      B: 20
      No winner: 2
      This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel

  • @jerryandlisa27
    @jerryandlisa27 3 місяці тому

    B

    • @HiFisquarepants
      @HiFisquarepants  3 місяці тому

      Thank you :) This is how the voting goes:
      A: 5
      B: 20
      No winner: 2
      This Sunday, I'll reveal which is which on my secondary channel