Warframe 1999: A Lesson in Indifference
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
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What we know 1999: • What We Know Warframe ...
What we know whispers: • What We Know Warframe ...
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Because this video centers around the idea of overcoming apathy through the connections we forge with others, I feel it's only fair to dedicate this video to the person who helped me make it.
If you look at the large gaps of time between my uploads, it's safe to assume I haven't always been the most motivated. While I enjoy making videos, it can be incredibly time-consuming, tedious and demoralizing at times.
I had always worked on my videos alone, and because I lacked outsider perspective, I strived to make them absolutely perfect, and if they were anything less, they were garbage that wasn't worth the effort.
Being an incredibly small channel with less than 300 subscribers, you might think this is an incredibly strong overreaction. And you'd be right, but I couldn't change the way I thought.
Eventually, the stresses of life combined with my perfectionist mindset became too much, and I abandoned most of my projects and hobbies. Slowly, I started to become used to the emptiness of not pursuing any personal passion or goal, and drifted through most of my days on complete autopilot.
I was beyond lucky enough to stumble into someone who, without even trying, showed so much care and interest to my passions, my hobbies, my interests, the things that make me, me
You've probably noticed that the commentary in the last third of this video is much more profound and elegant, which is a direct result of their help. In fact, if it wasn't for the influence this person has had on my life, I might not have related to the themes in 1999 at all, and this video wouldn't exist.
So I want to thank you, for pulling me out of my own cycle of apathy, for motivating me to make my silly little videos, and for making the effort to see every part of me, even the parts I was so dedicated to hiding.
Thank you for healing things in me, you didn't even know needed to be healed.
I love these kinds of videos now can I request an interesting subject oddly nobody done yet. Warframe has many similarities with Buddhism the lotus is important in Buddha I know many other religions used it too but still I feel warframe has many relation of Buddha such as the lotus herself
identity crisis of 3 personality
Buddhism views the human identity as a construct that is transient and impermanent, and that clinging to it can create suffering. I saw something else related but at this moment I can't find it. I am not religious at any means as I learn more about Buddha I can't help that reminds me of warframe.
Oh right the color of the lotus purple is interesting.
Buddhism that represents spiritual transformation, enlightenment, and self-awakening
I'm sure there way more to dig this subject I be interested you research yourself to find some similarities.
@TheDragonfriday this is definitely an interesting connection. Thank you for sharing! By all means though, if you're interested in covering this yourself, I'd encourage it. I'd feel kind of bad taking the idea for myself
@@StrongGuySean haha no I don't mind, I never made a UA-cam video before. I am not qualified try to learn Buddhism. I just happen to saw some connections between Warframe. Since I Google what the meaning behind the lotus then learn the purple lotus is the rarest color of lotus. It an interesting stuff, such as the symbolism with lotus flower and tenno
It goes like this, this plant grows such an ugly place (the swamp mud) yet it able to grow and bloom beautifully in such conditions.
Much like the tenno from Umbra story remind me of this. An tenno sees an broken thing, it able to understand it and take away it pain.
anyways I'm sure there way more examples what the teaching of Buddhism. I'm not religious at all, I find it interesting a fun connection. Beside there is already a warframe monk I kinda wish it has a lore of at least who he was before become a warframe. All I can imagine an Orokin assemble and gathered all greatest warriors throughout the Galaxy to help figut the sentient. But turns out they are just ingredients of war.
Warframe teaches me on overcoming fear, anger and apathy but my laziness is the true man in the wall
Laziness is the endgame
@@wisnu7846 laziness is entropy
What is the difference between laziness and apathy?
@@clgr1323 being too "tired" to improve when you really want to
Lazyframe is endgame
Lazy frame sounds like a bad Warframe lazy town ripoff lmao
Even the scene at the end of the Finale shows us exactly who the Hex are. Quincy sticks around on the sideline because despite the strife between him and Arthur, he does owe him one, and he does care. Aoi is obviously still concerned both because he is her ex and also just because that's one of their own. Amir seems slightly aloof but is definitely still concerned. His looking around shows his anxiety. Lettie, of course, is the medic. Rushing in to save someone in need. But Eleanor? Eleanor is walking slowly, away from the group. Because she feels her condition has driven a wedge between her and the rest of the Hex.
I really like this take!
You might need to rewatch 19:05 She's further back than the others but she's not walking away from anyone she's slowly walking towards the group. we don't know if she's so far back because they've only just reached the other, and Lettie being Lettie ran as soon as she knew Arthur was in need. (now could be that you mean she's a ways from the group and walking slowly, but the way you've structured that statement is that she, Eleanor is walking off from the group not a ways from the group which is a distance from something.)
@@lyrium7945 theres a comma there. She is walking toward them slowly, she is away from the rest of the group.
@ that's not the issue the issue is you used Away not A ways, AWAY means to leave im going away for a week , im moving a ways to the left, or im going to sit a ways from that group. "But Eleanor? Eleanor is walking slowly, away from the group" . That use of away implies she's walking in the opposite direction, you want to say walking slowly, A ways from the group.
@@lyrium7945 That is perfectly understandable from Eleanor. She is Arthur's sister.
Any sibling in that situation would not rush in if it looks like he or she is dying, and only Lettie, being a medic, can help. It is even tougher for her, considering what happened a little earlier. Eleanor doing that shows she has plenty to deal with, more than Aoi.
I really like how old man yaoi is the lynchpin for saving the universe in Warframe
Its part of what makes warframe peak
@@TehCakeIzALie1 JoJo moment
I blame Stosh.
why are sci fantasy games so into old man yaoi in recent years
@xXx_Regulus_xXx because most gamers see non-old man yaoi as obscene. similar to how 99% of the other gay characters in games are lesbians.
Albrecht's only way of describing what wally is is that, something indifferent to the world, with no "care", that "feed" on our emotions and turn that agaisnt us. The power of love is thus not actually a dumb weapon, it's an actual poison to something like that. Loving something is caring about it, it's a stabilizing force, alike a beacon in the dark, something that protect us from the entropic emotional devastation that wally use to turn us into food. Strong bonds tame the void itself.
So yeah, getting pegged by Eleanor does hurt wally, as while the railing itself is actually not important, the reason why you are getting your back end absolutly anihilated and turned into a quivering mess by Eleanor IS important.
This might be the funniest comment on this video
I'm suddenly reminded of Athrun Vs Shura and it made me grin.😂
Thank you so much for this comment.
Preach, brother.
If anyone wants to know, I didn't write this, it's just a copypasta from r/memeframe
9:47 one of the coolest things that happened in warframe thus far, was hyped asf when drifter did this.
BEGIN. AGAIN.
also i 100% agree with the Kin messaging thing. i didnt want to be a degenerate and talk to the hex just to romance them, i talked to them as myself and worked way better getting to know them
i damn near teared up talking to quincy and amir about how amir was struggling with having to kill people and got amir to talk to arthur and quince about it and how he’s been struggling with it. if youre military you know what im talking about.
amazing writing from DE.
It... strikes ya hard, hits the soul... when ya have put someone who walked seconds ago, six feet bellow. 2009-2012 was something I won't ever forget. Military records might be smoked, but the memories aren't gone. So I, for one, think your spot on... 'cus it never really leaves you. You learn to adapt to the aftermath, functionally or in a disjointed way. For me, Amir wants to remain free from havin' blood on his hands... and if we could do so, I'd be all for it - my hands, and in turn, my drifters' hands are already coated in blood. Let's see what the future brings us?
And when you start thinking about how it is possible that the drifter did the time thing, it gets even more crazy.
Like we might just be in the void, 1999 being a duviri, conceptual place type deal. It would answer some Kin message questions from Elanor about how can the void reach the hex without a heart of deimos. Also the void tongue popping up sometimes and even the rap tap tapping in the mall's small tvs.
But that would also mean, that by technicality the Hex might not be fully real. Which is kinda sad.
19:50 Albrecht's arc up until now has truly embodied the Nietzsche quote:
“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”
The Indifference, or more specifically the man in the wall, is the conceptual embodiment of the abyss that stares back at us. And in order to fight that entity, Albrecht became a monster. He knows this and wants us to avoid the same fate as him.
"Because of this idea: That I cannot be sure. That in all that smoked commotion, in all that panic and fear, in that bending light and blinding dark... was it I who escaped? Or the other?"
I love this. Because even if Wally didn't replace Albrecht with a Void doppelganger, he still got him in another way. And he knows it.
This is brilliantly added on by this quote from his hidden notes: " The apparatus of logic would never yield an answer. Only resolute action remained. If I must be a demon, let me be an honest one. Let me prove my nature by what I do next.
Purpose. Let me leave such blazing footprints behind me as no unclean thing would dare to walk in."
I think in some ways, it may go further then that. I've heard the Void creates echos of emotions. I think that, by stealing the MITW's power, he cause him to shift towards being the Indifference. And us, by taking it with consent, and by learning love, to connect with other, we won't just be able to fight it back, but change it. I always found it weird that while we see the Indifference posses people, the only ones we see it directly take the form of, is us and Albrecht... The two people it came into contact with (us in the Zariman, and Albrecht when he stole his power.)
Much like how Albrecht experimented on others, the MITW experimented on us. Almost like it's an echo of Albrecht.
I like the idea that in the end we wont defeat wally with violence and anger but through love and compassion
Edit: damn if never had this many likes on a comment before
Me too, like I said, cheesy but powerful
@@StrongGuySean The common misconception about cheesiness and its correlation with bad experiences usually lies with the execution.
If the writing and the method sticks its landing, the cheese just adds to the sauce so MUCH! I daresay it wouldn't even be as good if it doesn't have that classic heartfelt touch and tried to be 'different'
I want Wally as my friend. My adoptive ELDRITCH GOD dad to help me.
@@Chrisbun1 unironically think we may be headed in that direction
@@StrongGuySean Good. It'd be fun having him around the ship wondering what wacky shit we're up to.
"None of this matters."
"Then why are you trying so hard to stop me?"
This exchange gave me a little mini-epiphany: If indifference needs to be spoken or expressed, it's no longer indifference.
I refuse to believe UA-cam isn’t hiding your content. This channel deserves so much more attention.
@@mistagween thank you so much!
thank you for the amazing videos :D
It's not. I just got this video in recommendations.
Stop thinking conspiracy theories that YT hides things, they don't get anything from that.
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Agreed…just subscribed
14:20 Rebecca calling out her millions of registered losers for their lack of game hits harder than Albert's Lex Prime ngl
With 12 little words giving an oblique glancing blow, Rebecca dropped a bigger nuke shot than a thousand thousand Kuva Brammas at max Blast/heat valence.
They should have given him a Lato Prime instead of a Lex.
You guys think Albrecht has a Lex incarnon plus Riven?
This is by far my favorite video on the subject of 1999 warframe lore. Truly shocked to see less than 50k views on this let alone 300. So much passion and heart. Well done!
Thank you so much!
@@StrongGuySeanstop whispering in the mic
7:31 because he WANTS you too, the other Scaldra were collateral, just bodies in the way, but her he specifically ASKS You to do it. It's all about the intent behind the action.
I never thought about that, that's a very good point
I also don't think he wants the drifter to do it. I think he did that as a test to see if the drifter is able to empathize or if they're too far gone.
@ Agreed, I just thought it was a little funny to be so hesitant when we have a kill count equaling the population of a small country
@@StrongGuySeanHonestly ever since we saw that version of Albrecht with the man in the wall at the end of Whispers I've had trust issues whenever I see him.
I never know which one I'm talking to, so when he asked us to execute the commander I originally assumed it was Wally.
I had thought of something similar. This sense that in most of the other cases the goons end up as obstacles who would throw themselves to their deaths regardless. Meanwhile the fact that Albrecht (Who we don't even know whether it's Albrecht or Wally talking) explicilty tells is makes it more suspicious, and a bit of a sense that Rusalka isn't even aware of what happened for the past Void knows how long she was possessed.
Edit/Addition: Like even the specific answer you can give "This isn't really Her" points to the explicit fact that it's more about how Wally is puppeting people into doing something they aren't even aware of. Yes, Rusalka is an individual we'd probably end up killing anyway, but the fact that she's literally possessed makes it more complicated. If she's going to die it should be for her own failings, not as collateral for being puppeted by someone else.
Glad to see the writing in the KIM messenger getting more appreciation rather than just being written of as a dating sim. As someone who is used to and enjoys fragmented storytelling style like that in From Software's games, Fate/Grand Order etc., I really loved what they DE did here. I'd add that its not just fleshing out the Hex and conveniently dumping lore; it also gives more character to the Drifter in a meaningful way. We see a lot of emotions from the Drifter based on how they interact with the Hex as well as their feelings regarding certain stuff like how they view the Operator or Dominus Thrax.
I haven't reached Pizza Party rank yet but its been amazing so far. Arthur wanting to teach the Drifter how to cook took me offguard ngl but it was nice to see him open up.
I wish I had a third option for my perception on the operator. Like, a physical embodiment of my inner child, perhaps? I mean, that's how I see him.
With how serious and on edge Arthur can be, seeing him joke around, actually having fun with everyone really adds in an extra layer to his character that I don't know how to describe other than lovely
Getting to see the less jerky side of Quincy is the most precious thing for me. He feels like a very real and close friend with the way he talks
@@umbela5646 yup. And I managed to get him and Amir to be friends. It was a sweet moment.
The biggest enemy to justice is laziness. When you think nothing can go wrong and you refuse to act, that's when evil thrives. The only way to fight evil is to never give up and always be ready.
I love the comparison and contrast between Drifter and Operator. In the Sacrifice, we learned that basic human empathy was a concept so foreign to the Orokin that they saw our ability to take away pain as a super power. But we always had that empathy, thanks to Margulis and Euleria.
By playing as Drifter, we are given the experience of building and discovering that empathy from the perspective of someone who has completely forgotten what it means to feel.
I dont remember who said it, but while watching a different video essay on 1999, someone said "The opposite of Love is not Hate, it's apathy, the complete lack of emotional response at all" and that stuck with me ever since. I feel like 1999 teaches us that love and hate can both drive us; both can be used constructively and destructively, but apathy is total destruction. There's nothing human left when emotion is taken out of the picture.
Beautifully written by yourself and your muse, ajd im glad i discovered your channel today ❤
Thank you so much!
The "opposite of love" quote has been around for a while, but when it makes you think about it for the first time it really highlights how similar love and hate are conceptually, which is also why intense love for someone can turn into intense hatred, because it's much easier to keep the intensity of the emotion rather than losing it.
@MFAN1100 didn't know that about the quote, but exactly! They might be opposing emotions, but love/hate and apathy/indifference are opposing levels of emotion indeed
Imma just say, right now, i think Wally WANTS the nuke to go off, and its never outwordly stated, but I truly believe the Orokin, or some of their ancestors, LIVED in Hollovania 1999. He's trying to alter the timeline to get all of his power back.
Dude making a sunk cost fallacy argument for murder. But otherwise, uh, yeah, this was beautiful.
LMAOOO
lol I didnt notice at first 💀
legalise murder
-Raiden
_Rusalka will remember that_
I absolutely love the idea of fighting a literal concept given form with the opposing concept, and I would probably never have given it that much thought on my own. Great video :)
It's been a major theme in Warframe for a long time now. All of our major victories in the story had been won with compassion, not strength alone.
The only thing I wished was different is being able to talk to the Hex after the bff status, I missed so many chats!
They should be fixing that soon! Expect it to be a talking point during the upcoming devstream.
If you want to look through conversations you've missed out on or want to explore other dialogue options, look up the "kimulacrum".
7:20 She hot. Plus her top is opened.
@@StrongGuySean Love that site; Even besides getting to see chats you've missed, that's been one of the few ways to get a loop of that rendition of The Great Despair until now
You can also forget your relationships at New Years. Allows you to redo the convos and romancing
He esitated because it was Entrati commanding him to do that, Rusalka was not trying to directly kill the drifter. So it makes perfect sense that he refused to kill her. Entrati: 1) made the man in the wall penetrate the origin system. 2) abandoned his own family, leaving them to rot with infestation on Deimos. 3) sent tons of innocent animals to the void, just to kill them and experiment them. 4) travelled back in time to give a serum to the Hex to "save" them, then to kill them all in the nuclear blast, and he wants us to help.
The man in the wall, on the other hand, saved the drifter and lotus both from Ballas' rage when he was going to make the Sun collapse.
It's more than understandable that the drifter refused to kill Rusalka. I would have done the same.
Not to mention the fact that Rusalka was also just a puppet/doorway for Wally, the only thing Albrecht seems to care about in that moment is getting rid of Wally, he would've given the same order regardless of who was on the ground.
8:58 Aoi dying by brain aneurysm is insane I was not expecting that during my play through
and radiation burns to top it off! i felt so bad for her
The greatest weapon against indifference is love. Because the opposite of love... *Is* indifference. Not hate. Not disgust.
Indifference.
Love, is an overwhelming cocktail of emotion. There's care, sadness, compassion, unity, desire... indifference, is an emotional void. Indifference is what you get when emotion dies.
Ok this is some next level quality. Coming into the video I didn't expect this amount of quality bcz of the view count. I just wanted to hear what you thought abt the quest. but the editing, story telling etc went beyond channels with millions of subscribers. It felt like I was hearing a international grade documentary. Didn't even realize how 23 min went like a flash. Keep up the good work my man.
Thank you for the kind words!
I think it's because Tenno who're genuinely out here for the story and the vibes are few and fa between.
And though consensus still gets passed around somewhat through forums about how good the quests can be, Tenno don't really go out of their way to look for well digested takes like these.
I really hope now that DE has stepped up their writing execution with these few quests while seamlessly mixing with the more common grinding community, more of these videos start getting more and more traction.
Hoping this channel becomes one of many giants should that content become meta.
I just hope DE don't ditch the Hex an simply move on leaving everything behind AGAIN
Agreed. Warframe has a bit of an issue of creating really cool and interesting characters only to show up in a one-off event 3 years later.
I'm hoping we get a questline with the hex that coincides with the origin system questlines personally
I feel like it wouldn't make any sense to leave them behind. Especially because we can romance them.
So a little bit of spoilers for the chats here, when you get in good graces with Quincy he basically fully believes that if you were to go back to the present to fight your battles, that you won’t forget about the Hex and he actively wants to help he wants to be brought into the present to help YOU because you’ve become part of the misfit family, The Hex.
Basically saying that if it’s possible to bring The Hex to the present somehow, every single one of them will gladly fight for you in your war, because after everything you’ve done for them, they don’t want you to suffer alone ever again and will fight with everything they have to prove that.
On a side note, I’m hoping after we get Techrot liches that we get more Proto frames, not only just for new characters with their own diverse personalities, but it’d also make way to rework other long forgotten/overshadowed frames such as Loki and Nekros (Nekros feels less necromancer to me and more gravedigger okay?)
@@o1theunknown more protoframes have been hinted at by DE
The "big naked dudes" are the hex.
Quite literally
Wait, what. That's fucking terrifying?
Excuse me?
Elaborate?
Wait tat makes sense
@@gadgaurd3139 , Entrati took the Titanic scale of the Grey Strain, the strength and versatility of WarFrames and the heart and memories of the Hex to create The Vessels.
I'm the sentimental type and saved the "true" ending to the mission via video and I remember my eyes actually glistening when the door opened and you saw the rest of the Hex alive. You were right, _you,_ the player, did that. I'm in love with what DE is doing with the ultimate through-line of Warframe being that love, empathy and compassion are the greatest powers we have through time, space and continuity.
"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not." - Dr. Suess, the Lorax
Excellent video, Tenno.
(Also yes, some of those communication choices were confusing for me too but I just attribute my accidentally bffing Lettie instead of romancing her to me (and by extension, my Drifter) being on the spectrum LOL communication is hard sometimes!! No answer feels like the right answer! Darn it, where are my emotion cards)
This is it, this is peak Warframe video essay. What a brilliant summary of the story’s themes and true emotional core! Absolutely looking forward to more.
Thank you so much!
9:02 HIS HEART EXPLODED.
I'm tired of hearing this lol, IK it's poorly communicated, but in round 2 you see him struggling with his heartrate. He was going too fast for his own heart.
Yeah true
Yeah, it just wouldn't make sense for every other Hex member to essentially fall to their own vices only for Amir to just get gat blasted by Albrecht
Honestly I'm surprised his heart didn't also explode when he got to use a Parazon. I think the sheer joy of using a Sci-Fi hacking knife would make Amir detonate like a bomb
It is kinda both. You can clearly hear Albrecht fire his Lex just as Amir dies, and it is pointed at him too. But, he follows it up with "He is ash in seconds, no need for misery". This most likely means that Albrecht knew Amir would have an heart attack, so instead of letting him go through the pain of a heart failure, he gave Amir the mercy of a quick, relatively painless death.
Albretch saying "carry this power with, tenno" was so beatiful and powerful
@@puesunadiscadaoque *carry this power with mercy
As someone who suffers from major depression, who was pushing away people by not listening and not working on my issues. This quest came out right after a time where I was at my worst. It didnt open my eyes or anything, it wasnt my saviour, that were those who cared about me. But it accelerated the the process of accepting that im not ok, that I do need help. Especially how the drifter talks about Duviri, its all too familiar when you take away all the Sci-Fi stuff. The Duviri Paradox and this quest still make me cry everytime. The Apathy and Self Pity that Depression nurtures is a slow killer, it saps you of everything that is you and leaves nothing but a husk behind. These quests perfectly show this.
Glad you're still with us, and I'm glad you're seeking help.
The Murmur would have torn open Earth in 1999 precisely how it tore open Albrecht's Labs in Whispers In The Walls.
The thing is immediately before the Drifter's loop activation, that attack from the Murmur was beginning. Which tells me Albrecht was wrong in how to stop the Murmur, and there was another breach that was active.
The Murmur are weak to rad damage so maybe that was his logic for blowing up the reactor
@@Muzza1993 Oh yes, their weakness to that is why he told us that.
I got the feeling that there was a separate breach that Albrecht did not know about.
“Get it?” (Busts a cap in me) 15:47
"what does this even mean" - me, at least 3x a quest since 2nd dream
@@terraglade Perhaps I simply view things differently, but they all made perfect sense to me up to the New War. THAT'S when I started having questions, too.
I have to add that I've been playing since early 2014, though - I WAITED OVER A YEAR for the Second Dream to even be added to the game, and it was cathartic. I've been snorting every line of lore like coke ever since. The War Within confirmed some theories the community had at the time and disproved others.
The Sacrifice was just an emotional cannonball.
@@operatorchakkoty4257 Most of the surface level lore you get told is quite understandable without many (or any) issues, the real head scratching starts when you actually look into the lore and start seeing the holes or contradictions. Or maybe that's just me.
Hard hitting, well spoken and written, smooth editing. Perfection gets in the way of done but Be righteous, tenno. Deserving praise. I'm mended up.
Thank you for the kind words, tenno
Simply profound, watching this made me realise so many aspects of what made that quest give me a warm tingly feeling at the end. Merci
I guess tiniest of nitpick, the giant naked guys were giant robotic vitruvian men things iirc. So, technically sci-fi but being controlled by sci-fantasy void magic.
You're right, sorry about that!
The Vessels are titanic, bio-mechanical, humanoid automatons, these simulacra were created as a last resort to defend the Origin System from the eldritch forces of the Indifference. The Vessels appear to be large-scale replicas of the human body, complete with functioning internal organs such as brains and blood vessels. Similar to the Warframes, they were cultivated from a unique Infestation w Infested Strain, this one being the Grey Strain. CnP straight from the wiki.
1:45 I think Rebecca taking the reigns was the perfect decision, but it's gonna take a little bit longer for the story to get explanations to the forefront.
Oh no I definitely didn't want to imply that I think Rebecca was handling the game or the story poorly. I actually like the direction she's taken the game. I just noticed a bit of a thematic shift around the time she took over.
I hope this video gets the favor of the yt algorithm and reaches all warframe players and specially DE. I think you nailed exactly what made this quest so special for me and I hope DE realizes this and keep it in mind going forward
Thank you so much!
Love this entire video!
I'm also just cracking up at the fact that some people had no game, were shite at flirting, just couldn't figure out the right tone, or were so ready to date some pixels, they messed up their romance chance!
I was nice to them, and I had the option to date some pretty quickly. Like what did some ppl do to the pixels, they were like "Get the hell away from me!"?
Had to actively limit myself down to just one; otherwise, DE would have had to code in an option for one massive murderific polycule, I had so much game with the Hex.
Thank you!
I love how i'm seeing the more existential type interpretation of the entrati/mitw dynamic being of a no win scenario and then perspectives like yours being more optimistic. i'll have to check your other content out.
Appreciate it! My other stuff really isn't that great, but I appreciate you check it out nonetheless!
This is probably the single best breakdown of not only the 1999 quest, but the driving factors behind the current Warframe story arc that I've seen anyone do. "Well done, lad. Well done."
Thank you!
A very thoughtful video that is much appreciated. I felt the very much the same about the quest. I didn’t care about the hex much, and it just seemed so disjointed. I also felt very satisfied when i saved them in the end. What I really didn’t put together is just how incredible a job DE did with their story telling in anticipating these reactions and holding off the fulfillment of the quest till several weeks later for me to really get to know these characters through those conversations. I am really blown away by this game. I have only been playing it for 110 days at this point and I just can’t say enough good things about this crazy fun and rewarding game!
Absolutely amazing video, it unraveled exactly why I hated then loved 1999, something about your ways to story telling aswell as the hope in your voice when you tie the lessons of this update to a deeper meaning overall has captivated me, I hope to see more incredible content like this from you in the future, may your channel and your videos prosper
@@Trixxforsaken thank you!
I've really wanted content like this about warframe for a while now. I'm glad to see someone talking about the game besides the mechanics of how to get a big number.
I think this massage, showing how important Human connection is, is now more important then ever
The message of compassion and human connection being important to stave off your indifference might be a cheesy one but I think it is certainly true to real life and poignant today especially.
We are more connected than ever by technology in theory, yet so many people ARE indifferent to what is going on in the world around them and are disconnected on a close interpersonal level. Our modern world's interconnectivity is a blessing and a curse in this sense and I believe we fall victim to making ourselves numb to extremely important things that impact us and those close to us.
Love it when UA-cam shows me small channels.
I appreciate seeing this kind of video, not just to see the perspectives and ideas of others who've played this game I love (for as few and far between they are that is, but this game's opaque-ness to new players is a topic for another time), but to see that the themes that mean so much to me keep resonating with people. Warframe is not the first game to express its themes of love and empathy, but I sure hope it won't be the last. I also go through so many cases of executive dysfunction in response to hardships sometimes (similar to what you mentioned in your pinned comment), but games like this have stuck with me for so, so long. Forgive the heavy-handedness, but...
They are the things that have helped me out of such dark times, helping me learn to stare into an ugly, broken thing like myself...
and take away its pain.
@goldtoonlink7822 thank you for the kinds words!
A wise man once told me that the opposite of love is not hate... it's indifference.
Guys will literally spend hundreds of hours on a videogame instead of going to therapy
thanks for the video btw
it's cinema
technically amir's heart exploded
the quest is banger
One thing i do find interesting is how Entrati chose the Drifter specifically. Not the operator. Since the operator would know the feeling of letting others in, to help others, to show compassion and empathy. More than the Drifter who was, as you said, jaded and apathetic due to their time in Duviri. It really goes to show how different the life of the tenno has changed based on whether they and the children of the Zariman were found, or were just left to die in the void.
I think the Drifter was chosen specifically because he was jaded and apathetic. They healed and helped the Hex, and in return they did for him.
Thanks for the video, it showed up a few days ago as recommended so I don't know what you did with the algorithm, but it worked. When I saw the title I knew that I would love it because I noticed that a lot of people don't usually understand the messages in all Warframe quests, well almost all, and I saw some comments about 1999 that showed me what I always considered about the game: "Warframe is a game that forces you to understand patience, and if you do and take your time (and I don't mean farming) you will be worthy to understand its beauty and feel it". Warframe never has problems with the plot of the island of content, as each island always explains stories related to everything else, you just need the patience and will to see them. 1999 just did the job for you, or more like... forced you to do it.
I have been struggling in my life because I thought everyone was, though not identical, similar to me. It turns out that I am way more than a rare kind of person, and that always rubs me the wrong way. The thing that you said in the video about "I don't know them, I don't care about them" is something that I really never understood because I never needed a reason to love someone. For me, everyone gave me something of value, even the ones who bullied me or despised me. As I see it, a tree always makes sounds when it falls, no matter if someone is hearing it or not.
Even though it wasn't 1999 the quest that helped me realize this, it was The Sacrifice, it helped me to put into words what I already felt before, I cannot be indifferent to others, but myself. It is difficult for me how hard it is to express the difficulty on how hard is to balance love and indifference, or in otherwordss, what is important and what is not. It sometimes feels like we have a limited amount of importance we can give things and we have to sacrifice something to have "more space to care".
I have just started to try to give myself some kind of importance like you seem to do to yourself. I loved the video, even if there are things that I don't share, and you helped me a lot inwithomething personal without even trying to. I wanted to share it with you with an honest comment to encourage you to go out there and be yourself. You don't know when you will save someone else's life.
For a world where self-love isn't the hardest task!
@@Shinom4ever thank you for the kind words and for sharing your story. Best of luck moving forward!
Man, you should have a lot more subscribers, you have done an amazing job, with your script and story telling. Thank you for explaining things, and that too in a very thought-out manner, it helped a lot.
Glad you enjoyed the video and thank you for the kind words!
i really hope we get more stuff to do with the hex and our chosen SO.
I mean, warframes have been confirmed being previously people since Umbra... Maybe even before that. And even that: were you really thinking DE wasn't gonna do anything with the humanoid design? I'm pretty sure Warframes have always, or almost, been human (or orokin) before being infected with a specific infested strain in the minds of story writers.
Edit: added a little bit to the ending.
True, just prior to the Sacrifice, it was unconfirmed but HEAVILY implied.
That was beautiful. I'm looking forward to seeing more from you, if this is a sign of things to come. Thank you.
Thank you for watching!
I will say, some of the dialogue options you get are like bad and worse and lowkey I don't blame people for picking the wrong one sometimes. There's a particularly infamous line with Eleanor and like, yes it's obviously bad, but the other line is also bad. It just sounds so dismissive and honestly cold when Eleanor is being vulnerable and scared to you. Like unless you knew about the hero virus thing, I can see someone seeing the choice, seeing that at least that line isn't being dismissive and go for it, only for it to blow up in their face. If you had the hero virus talk then yeah you should see why that blows up in your face, but without that you just have to guess correctly then. My point is, certainly you deserve it a lot of the time, but Drifter is bad at talking to people sometimes, and it feels like you're just trying to get them to say the least bad thing rather than something good.
You're 100% right. I do think some dialogue options corner you a bit. When I made that comment I was talking more about the obviously insensitive ones, but I agree with your point
I think it actually fits drifter. They weren't raised and normally socialised with other people , so them being not fully avare of that some things are inapporate to say and being bad at talking to people fits their character.
@6vhgbbh595 Yeap. Man's trapped in a world of his own making for.....God knows how long.
@@justingohchyihng9460we also don't know at what age drifter was isolated in divuri so they might be verbal but still a "wild child" .
Yeah, I had one of those too with her. Went with asking about the telepathy because I was thinking it meant in how different it felt to read one's thoughts compared to hearing them say it out loud. Not even in the sense of her actively intruding on their thoughts and well... apparently it was the wrong one
This is such a good video. Gives a lot of context and really gives me a new perspective of the depth of Warframe's story.
Thank you!
Oh my god, I was BRISTLING in the beginning of this video from the way you were talking about 1999 and The Hex. It was one of those things that was like, "I begrudgingly see your point but HOW DARE YOU." I perhaps got attached to the Hex way too quickly (I tend to get invested in characters in stories), so it shook me to find someone who DIDN'T love them immediately. But... damn, you really make a good point. Why SHOULD we care about these random people at first? We have to learn to, because love opposes the Indifference. And yes, I think DE really pulled it off. You genuinely lay this out so well, partially through your negativity in the beginning, lol!
I think there's not enough attention paid in fandom discourse to how closed off the Drifter was. Like, they tend to make light of the whole Zariman/Duviri thing, probably as a defense mechanism to avoid remembering how absolutely insane and traumatic it all was. But as much as we/the Drifter need to get the Hex to open up to us... the Hex are getting the Drifter to open up as well. It starts with Amir asking us questions so we get more comfortable talking about our awful past, to stuff like Quincey calling us "space trauma," which kind of mimics our own way of making light of it all. But then we talk death with Lettie, and the Indifference with Eleanor, and as Arthur slowly opens up and asks us questions, there's that moment where he's like, "You were a CHILD." And it feels like the Drifter has to stop joking for a minute and take a step back and... actually acknowledge how fucked up it all was. And that acknowledgement, and being vulnerable with the Hex and finding them offering understanding and safety... the Drifter finally stops holding everyone at arm's length, and this is why they start saying that Höllvania is the only place that felt like home. Even though they're from thousands of years in the future.
So yes, to the point in this video... We needed to befriend the Hex to save them, but in turn, the Hex also save us. And that's what'll give the Drifter the power to oppose the Indifference. And god damn, Albrecht seems to have NO morals, but he really is trying to fix everything he broke, isn't he?
"They had learned a way to see inside an ugly broken thing...and take away its pain."
It's such a shame your content isn't more widely recognized, this is one of the best videos I've seen in a long time, the UA-cam algorithm NEEDS to start appreciating your talent, and share it with more people!!
@@alyssakate7446 Thank you "stranger"!
dang, I enjoyed the quest from the get go, so I completly missed this angle. Your intial displeasure opended my eyes to thé meta narrative here.
Totally right too, when Aoi was stuck under that truck I messed around with emotes for a bit for a funny screenshot, cause I too was indifferent
That was beautiful. Thank you. Great content.
Thank you for watching!
This video essay is absolutely fantastic. The editing work and delivery as well as how you presented your argument was incredibly well put together to the point where I was in absolute shock to see that you are only (at the time of my writing this) at 941 subscribers. This sort of analysis and lore explanation video is something that I would've expected from a channel with a million subs. You have my subscription and I'm really excited and hopeful to see you do more of these! I recently got back to Warframe and there is so much warframe lore that the general Warframe UA-cam community has not grazed yet and I'm really hoping you cover more Warframe lore! Would also love to see Warframe lore theory videos from you if that's something you might be interested in producing!
@@AstraSilverhorn thank you for the kind words! I have some more warframe stuff I want to explore for sure, but no promises the next video or next couple will be specifically warframe related
As a longstanding player (Loki starter), Warframe’s story has always been about empathy. Factions grow in the story based off of that connection. We see how the people of Fortuna lift together, how the Entrati family empathize and give each meaning, how the people of Cetus hold faith as a community. Every quest too. The Sacrifice showed us in the literal sense as we learn the Tenno’s take away the pain of the “ugly broken thing” which mirrors their own experience. Now the Drifter does so here with his own experience of hopelessness and isolation with the Hex.
The overall message of Warframe to me: the pain we experience in life can turn us bitter and alone, or we can use them as ways to connect with others and be stronger for it.
The KIM messaging caught me up to so much I missed like the Cephalon lore that was dropped around when DE started doing seasonal content. But I was surprised how good it was written to the point to where I got kinda sad when I found out the messaging stops when you max out your affinity with the Hex. I legitimately missed talking to these people to the point to where I’m seriously considering resetting it even if I end up with the same romance with Eleanor.
1:48 i love that half of these rapid fire questions can be chalked up to "Because Ballas".
Really, really glad the Algorithm directed me towards your stuff. The Hex might be my favorite quest since The Sacrifice, and while TSD has…definitely shown its age, I didn’t think anything was going to come close to those emotional reveals again.
…but dammit, I want to fight for these friends I made, this found family, and you’ve done an incredible job of putting all these feelings I had into words.
Easiest subscription I’ve had in a while. Can’t wait to see what else you do.
Thank you so much! I think you articulated your point beautifully
AW man. I had no idea all this content was there, I thought the orignal failure at the core was the end :(
Excellent video, you earned a subscriber
Thank you so much!
This is the single best video to ever explain the story of 1999 and Warframe as a whole.
Thank you for the kind words!
reminds me of a quote: "the opposite of love isnt hatred, its apathy". goes a long way to show why caring deeply for eachother repels it, its the litteral antithesis to its whole being
Nice review/analysis.
This has been the best explanation of 1999 and Albrecht.
I knew I wasn’t crazy. I knew Albrecht had something in mind when he gave us the choice to leave or stay and save the Hex. He didn’t force us.
When we choose to stay, he shot us so then Drifter would wouldn’t hesitate in reverting the year. Bc that’s what I think caused Drifter to end up alone in the Zariman when they made deal. The hesitation to wanting it. And as a punishment for not truly wanting this was the consequence.
Even at the end of New year we, the Drifter gets to choose wether or not to fully reset the events (Kim dialogues). “Is this what you want?”
really well made video, if only the algorithm showed it to even more people who love warframe.
Returning newbie here.
Started playing warframe like 8 months ago with few friends, then dropped it at the quest where you build railjack (i was mr 7 i think).
Decided to give it a try again on christmas, and it was a damn good decision. The quests, gameplay, grind, all of it is so good. But, the most important thing for me in games is lore, and Warframe excels in that.
The New War, Whispers in the walls and now 1999, all great story quests.
Anyways, loved this vid. Great job and keep it up ❤
@@Voah_ thank you! And glad you came back around to see the rest of the game!
God this is such a good video, you deserve more attention.
Thank you so much!
they actually brought on a romance writer to write the chatboard convos.
Amazing job @StrongGuySean with this essay. Myself, a 1.9k hour player of Warframe, like you I was indifferent or apathetic for my own reasons towards the 1999 update. I was frustrated with the amount of content islands and wanted story connection. Truth be told even after I finished the mission and did bounties and interacted with the KIM System to learn about the Hex I still just didn't care because I forgot parts of the story.
@@werefox85 I definitely understand that since that system isnt everyone's cup of tea. Thank you for the kind words!
man the first time i did the kim system, i got all 6 links on the same day and did the finale first thing that day, it was hella nice and feelgood, it really drove home that apathy and indiffernce only holds you back
warframe needs its my name is byf to rise up and truly quantify things
Good to know you found that someone. Good to know you healed. Good to see what the healing made you do. And we're interested to see what you pull off in the future evermore.
Go ballin', stay hard, fren.
Really kind of you to say that! Thank you!
Dont forget the mini quest with the stalker and jade, quite literally forshadowing that love was gonna be a big plot point.
I've never known i would need a video like this, but the timing is quite perfect. Amazing video and it also made me look at 1999 differently. I never really looked at albrecht's POV of this and what he was trying to do the whole time, maybe he isn't that bad of a guy after all.
I'm glad you enjoyed it and thank you for the kind words! To some extent I do think Albrecht is damn-near irredeemable (the cavia and the animals that came before them being my primary example) but I dont think he's trying to redeem himself, just right as many of his wrongs as he can
@StrongGuySean I really don't think he gives a flying fuck about redemption except for one person. He wants to be redeemed in Loid's eyes.
Also I find it a bit funny that he basically lied through his teeth throughout most of the quest.
1. He didn't want the bomb to go off
2. He didn't want us to shoot the general
3. He didn't want to go to Tau
He said all these things to manipulate us into growing our heart so we could fight the indifference with love.
@@connormcconnell7805 Great take, I agree!
my heart didn't change at all, i wanted to save them since the start, nobody should die for any reason unless they just shouldn't live
“Open your heart to their suffering.”
- Kratos, the god of war
I embrace the cheese anime plot of beating the big bad with love and friendship. Great essay, man.
@@immorttalis thank you so much!
Absolute cinema indeed. Really good video!
Thank you so much!
Hard yes on everything you said, BUT ALSO “Great Despair” is an 11/10 masterpiece
@@peterw2880 no arguments here
"Time traveling magic man that just popped out of a zit" is not a phrase I every thought I'd hear and understand immediately 😂
I gotta say the Description first line got me really good.
for me the change from science to cosmic horror is like what they says about it, "science fiction needs to make sense", while cosmic horror are more open to things you dont need to explain because they are too alien to us.
maybe this isnt the video for it but i missed the part about the chatting system that lets you retell the whole warframe story through your own lense, brushing off things you dont care about and delve deeper into topics you feel strongly about, pretending to "tell a story" to npcs while solidifying the warframe lore in your own head.
its genius if you consider that people learn best when trying to teach others.
The picto chat messages almost made me drop my controller at one point. Quincy wanted me to tell him something that would make him hate me. And i got to answer what happened to their parents and what my tenno did. And as my tenno continued to explain what she did, i had to put the controller down otherwise i would have dropped it like my jaw. Still remains one of the most memorable moments in the game. Finally getting some info on two people we only know existed because of a borken picture frame.
"So that's it, the Poison to your plan"
*And what is that?*
"Love."
It’s so great the fact that it was called the indifference yet I never put the pieces together till after e quest.
My husband who also plays Warframe wasn't too keen on the hex or the whole relationship system either but after giving it a shot he came around and it turned that he actually really likes Arthur and Amir.
When 1999 first dropped my friend told me they didn't understand what yhe plan was and I responded with
"The concept of indifference is scary because it mean nothing matters, nihilism in a sense. And love conquers indifference because the exact antithesis of love is not hate, it's indifference."