This video made me realize the reason why the elves of LotR seem to be so tied to forests/trees. Seems obvious looking back but I never saw the link between them together until now: both are effectively immortal, only dying as a result of external factors.
The bit at 3:00 is a little misleading. Leaves don't "pump up" positive pressure like a bike tire. That would cause flow in the wrong direction. The evaporation from the leaves causes a region of low pressure which sucks up water. What's fascinating is that trees taller than 33 ft have to create negative pressure (less than a vacuum) to overcome the hydro-static force. This is possible in a liquid like water only because of intermolecular forces. Derek from Veritasium made an amazing video about this 5 years ago called "The Most Amazing Thing About Trees".
Good stuff guys. You know how most fruit trees are clones, so the original tree had a piece cut off of it so could you in fact call the fruit tree in my backyard actually really old because part of it was from a older tree. Which came from an even older tree and so on who knows how old the original tree was that the first cutting was taken from. And the tree/cutting was alive the whole time and they're all from some really old tree. Is this considered old or new or... am I making any sense.
After many generations, it'll definitely not count as the same tree because the original species will become extinct due to the genetic mutations adding up. For example, humans and chimpanzees share a common ancestor, but that common ancestor is extinct, even though they successfully reproduced all along. The extinction boundary is blurry because species is just a man-made concept.
Yeah mate, that's what I realized today too. Complexity does not equal quality; trees evolved latter than land walking amphibians (and reptilians too?); banana has more genes than humans. And now, that trees are immortal while animals still not? Hypothethis: that's cause trees have reached their theoretical best form, and since immortality is the last thing to evolve, we are yet to evolve it.
They have techniques they use to measure the rings using tools called borers without killing it! Here's a good read about that if you're interested! www.scienceabc.com/nature/how-to-calculate-the-age-of-a-tree.html
+The Good Stuff G'day, Well, I do live in the Forest..; if that helps...(?). And I only sawmill Windfall Trees, and I use trespassing Sheep for Archery-Practice ; because for 27 years I've been paying Council Rates on 100 Acres of Endangered Species Sanctuary.. Therefore, I'm priviledged to see some unusual things..., like, a fortnight ago when I was permitted to video a "Walla-Battle" ; as two big Bucks decided which is the current local Alpha-Male, by fighting two "Rounds" of 3 minutes each, with a 1-minute pause for breath between bouts. To see it, either backtrack me to my Uploads, or title-search YT for, "Duelling Swamp-Wallabies...; Marsupial Dominance Dynamics...!" At 03:08 Ericsson Flop-Ear actually performs an Aerobatic manouvre ( called an "Immelman Turn") to recover from delivering a Flying-Kick which happened 4-Ft up in the Air...; he half-loops to being fully-inverted from the Recoil, & then half-rolled off the top to land on his feet, while Little Old Mr Whitetail was thrown backwards 10 ft to hit a Shed-wall..., and slide down to the ground. Spoiler Alert..., both the Battlers later visited me (separately) to show off minor Bite-Marks, and be videoed being handfed ; both basically unharmed, despite having swapped Man-Killing Kicks for 6 minuets only the day before. Enjoy, ;-p Ciao !
Imperial system, still... OK, why not, but at least, please, translate in metric system for the rest of the world (just a small text over the pictures of the trees for example). Otherwise, really interesting video.
BUSHCRAPPING I know, I still use them (Bachelor's in Science, kinda had to learn them) but that doesn't change the fact that metric is a much simpler, more elegant system than imperial, which most of the rest of the world as well as the math and science community use, since dividing by 10 is much cleaner than, for example -12"/1', 5,280'/1mile, 16oz/1pint.
People like you are the reason units have to be converted in the first place. You resist change. I'm an American so I know how you feel. I am much more familiar with imperial. However, I would much prefer that people just stop using imperial once and for all so we can get this transition over with.
A tree can only function properly as part of a forest. The Hidden Life of Trees by Peter Wohlleben. BTW a tree thought to be about 500 years old is proven by carbon dating to be close to 10,000 years old.
I believe that... I am a tree. I have plenty of evidence to support that. I float on the water, I sleep like a log, and I am as dumb as a wooden plank.
*As a Treestorian and Arborist determining final ages and causes of tree deaths of over 15,000 trees around Chicago. Very few ever died from effects of changing climate or old age, and most are mortally wounded by overzealous maintenance pruning. Along with construction compacting soil by vehicles driving over root systems, and excavation damaging vital portions of root system.* _99% of common nursery grown trees within just last five years, arrive with "born at original grade level" rootflares already too deep in rootball (Caused during "Uppotting" in larger pots) before even permanently planted, if not corrected with rootflare excavations first._ By replanting youthful Meristems produced from lengthening branch tips collected on 450 yr. old growth trees. Continued propagation of original living organism can keep woody animal alive indefinitely. Great numbers of varieties & cultivars planted along parkways today belong to 1-4 mother cloned specimens. Thus keeping original tree organism spread throughout city, alive for another 100+ years. And so on, and so on. By cutting a tree down, original root system can keep regrowing from stump using a method called Coppicing. Such as White Ash trees whose species proven to live out 600 years, have been kept alive and revitalized through coppicing for over 1500 years now. Most valued miniature Bonsai trees have continued to survive over 1500 years, after regularly root pruned and branches headed back. Which then continue to reproduce youthful meristems perpetually.
Is a square-mile colony of quaking aspen that is genetically identical the same organism? If so, then it will live for as long as the environment it grows in remains favorable.
Really it’s as long as the environment allows life to be possible, even if only one tree can sustain life, the entire forest still lives… or well… are each tree called branches??? You get the point.
I can imagine another reason for trees not living forever is probably external biological interference such as parasitism, disease etc. I mean if you are alive in one place long enough and drought, flooding, landslides, fire, lighting or some other physical process doesn't end up taking you out probably parasites or diseases would infect you eventually.
That's exactly right! Disease and parasites would be included in those external factors that could end the life of a tree. Some diseases, such as sudden oak death, we don't even fully understand at the moment!
@@TheGoodStuff I think sudden oak death may be caused by many cells of the same tree racking up so many different mutations over tens of thousands of cell divisions, causing them to not be able to work with each other. That means there's organ failure and the tree dies.
A tree once told me: '' , .'' Sadly I did not hear or understand the wisdom of its words... :( But I know they have much more to tell, if given a common language. :)
Trees grow older in adverse growing conditions, not perfect ones. All the oldest bristlecone pines grow in nutrient-limited and water-limited environments. The 'perfect' conditions for an old-lived tree is stable, adverse conditions, where the growth rate is slow but the likelihood of external damage is diminished.
Makes sense, I mean, most things that live a while live average lives, people over 100 live ordinary lives, some smoke every single day, so I wouldn’t doubt that the best way to live would just be how your meant to live (smokin ain’t included I just gave example of livin even if the odds don’t make sense)
Would ideal external conditions still prevent internal causes of death? Do trees even have that? Like humans can exercise and eat well and still just randomly get cancer. Can that happen to a tree?
I'd say no because a hypothetical tree millions of years old would have been considered a new species because it has racked up so many genetic mutations that it couldn't pollinate with its former self if it traveled back in time, even though it never had a "normal" death.
"Up until now, nobody knows [if a tree lives forever]". Purely with mathematical reasoning I can say: we will never ;-). It's called the Halting Problem ;-).
Yes a tree can live for ever anything can we can maybe but just for 275-300 then we would just become mindless zombies that wouldn’t be able to talk or comprehend speech
Definitely no organism, let alone tree, can be considered to live forever, even under ideal conditions. That is because the original species will be considered extinct due to genetic mutations. For example, humans and chimps share a common ancestor that is now classified as extinct, even though the lineage never ended. Even "living fossils" aren't counted as part of the original species because genetic drift changed them so much that they couldn't reproduce with the original if they traveled back in time. Just imagine that a hypothetical 10-million-year-old tree has different branches with leaves that evolved to be different species, which I think linchens formed in a similar manner, though billions of years earlier and over hundreds of millions of years. After all, species is a man-made concept.
I am a tree. And I approve of this channel.
This video made me realize the reason why the elves of LotR seem to be so tied to forests/trees. Seems obvious looking back but I never saw the link between them together until now: both are effectively immortal, only dying as a result of external factors.
😮🤯
I found this video quite ... intreeguing.
Sorry that was a bad pun, I should just *log* out.
please...just leaf
just trying to *spruce* up the comments section.
FutureNow this is the most pearfect comment chain.
MaKo52 I’m trying to make another one, but I’m stumped
they come with fire, they come with axes, gnawing biting breaking hacking burning.
yes my fav lotr character is treebeard. fite me.
wiped clean w iceages
"Akuuuuuuu!" "Yes, it is I Samurai Jack. How incredibly observant you are..." Aku The Master of Darkness.
Now I feel like hugging a tree.
Dr.Science yeah that’s the point
Don’t hug an old tree, you never know if you carry a tree disease lmao
My tree friend watched this and wanted to tell you thanks for the awesome video, but he can't type
I wanna be that guy who helps a tree live forever...
... could lead to me living forever too.
So, that's a plus.
The bit at 3:00 is a little misleading. Leaves don't "pump up" positive pressure like a bike tire. That would cause flow in the wrong direction. The evaporation from the leaves causes a region of low pressure which sucks up water. What's fascinating is that trees taller than 33 ft have to create negative pressure (less than a vacuum) to overcome the hydro-static force. This is possible in a liquid like water only because of intermolecular forces.
Derek from Veritasium made an amazing video about this 5 years ago called "The Most Amazing Thing About Trees".
Good stuff guys. You know how most fruit trees are clones, so the original tree had a piece cut off of it so could you in fact call the fruit tree in my backyard actually really old because part of it was from a older tree. Which came from an even older tree and so on who knows how old the original tree was that the first cutting was taken from. And the tree/cutting was alive the whole time and they're all from some really old tree. Is this considered old or new or... am I making any sense.
After many generations, it'll definitely not count as the same tree because the original species will become extinct due to the genetic mutations adding up.
For example, humans and chimpanzees share a common ancestor, but that common ancestor is extinct, even though they successfully reproduced all along. The extinction boundary is blurry because species is just a man-made concept.
I still found it amazing that sharks have been on this planet longer than trees.
Wait w h a t
Yeah mate, that's what I realized today too. Complexity does not equal quality; trees evolved latter than land walking amphibians (and reptilians too?); banana has more genes than humans. And now, that trees are immortal while animals still not? Hypothethis: that's cause trees have reached their theoretical best form, and since immortality is the last thing to evolve, we are yet to evolve it.
I can't find any video about this topic from the Turkish UA-camrs and I'm here :D Thanks💜
How do they know that the oldest tree is 5067, without killing it?
They have techniques they use to measure the rings using tools called borers without killing it! Here's a good read about that if you're interested! www.scienceabc.com/nature/how-to-calculate-the-age-of-a-tree.html
+The Good Stuff
G'day,
Well, I do live in the Forest..; if that helps...(?).
And I only sawmill Windfall Trees, and I use trespassing Sheep for Archery-Practice ; because for 27 years I've been paying Council Rates on 100 Acres of Endangered Species Sanctuary..
Therefore, I'm priviledged to see some unusual things..., like, a fortnight ago when I was permitted to video a "Walla-Battle" ; as two big Bucks decided which is the current local Alpha-Male, by fighting two "Rounds" of 3 minutes each, with a 1-minute pause for breath between bouts.
To see it, either backtrack me to my Uploads, or title-search YT for,
"Duelling Swamp-Wallabies...; Marsupial Dominance Dynamics...!"
At 03:08 Ericsson Flop-Ear actually performs an Aerobatic manouvre ( called an "Immelman Turn") to recover from delivering a Flying-Kick which happened 4-Ft up in the Air...; he half-loops to being fully-inverted from the Recoil, & then half-rolled off the top to land on his feet, while Little Old Mr Whitetail was thrown backwards 10 ft to hit a Shed-wall..., and slide down to the ground.
Spoiler Alert..., both the Battlers later visited me (separately) to show off minor Bite-Marks, and be videoed being handfed ; both basically unharmed, despite having swapped Man-Killing Kicks for 6 minuets only the day before.
Enjoy,
;-p
Ciao !
well *obviously* they used an Ent to ask it how old it is you moron.
WarblesOnALot - What the fuck.
That "are you a tree" question hit me so suddenly
Fluttershy: "I'd like to be a tree."
🌟 Thanks! Really enjoyed that!! 👍 👏 🙌
I'm an Ent myself. I wish I knew where the Entwives went....
I am Groot
Imperial system, still...
OK, why not, but at least, please, translate in metric system for the rest of the world (just a small text over the pictures of the trees for example).
Otherwise, really interesting video.
SGUnity or just get us into the lovely base 10 system the rest of you lot enjoy
just learn conversions, its not that hard
BUSHCRAPPING I know, I still use them (Bachelor's in Science, kinda had to learn them) but that doesn't change the fact that metric is a much simpler, more elegant system than imperial, which most of the rest of the world as well as the math and science community use, since dividing by 10 is much cleaner than, for example -12"/1', 5,280'/1mile, 16oz/1pint.
People like you are the reason units have to be converted in the first place. You resist change. I'm an American so I know how you feel. I am much more familiar with imperial. However, I would much prefer that people just stop using imperial once and for all so we can get this transition over with.
I find it funny how you say "rest of the world" referring to those using imperial when almost every country uses metric.
Holy shit he knows I'm a tree.
Yes, I am indeed a tree
A tree can only function properly as part of a forest. The Hidden Life of Trees by Peter Wohlleben. BTW a tree thought to be about 500 years old is proven by carbon dating to be close to 10,000 years old.
I want to live in that giant tree. I'll dress up as a wizard and brew potions in it
Doubt the tree would be a fan of a crazy chemist living inside it lmao
I believe that... I am a tree. I have plenty of evidence to support that. I float on the water, I sleep like a log, and I am as dumb as a wooden plank.
the faint guitar song nearing the end of the video is 'less words' by old earth =D
*As a Treestorian and Arborist determining final ages and causes of tree deaths of over 15,000 trees around Chicago. Very few ever died from effects of changing climate or old age, and most are mortally wounded by overzealous maintenance pruning. Along with construction compacting soil by vehicles driving over root systems, and excavation damaging vital portions of root system.* _99% of common nursery grown trees within just last five years, arrive with "born at original grade level" rootflares already too deep in rootball (Caused during "Uppotting" in larger pots) before even permanently planted, if not corrected with rootflare excavations first._
By replanting youthful Meristems produced from lengthening branch tips collected on 450 yr. old growth trees. Continued propagation of original living organism can keep woody animal alive indefinitely. Great numbers of varieties & cultivars planted along parkways today belong to 1-4 mother cloned specimens. Thus keeping original tree organism spread throughout city, alive for another 100+ years. And so on, and so on.
By cutting a tree down, original root system can keep regrowing from stump using a method called Coppicing. Such as White Ash trees whose species proven to live out 600 years, have been kept alive and revitalized through coppicing for over 1500 years now. Most valued miniature Bonsai trees have continued to survive over 1500 years, after regularly root pruned and branches headed back. Which then continue to reproduce youthful meristems perpetually.
Hey! I'm a tree! My last name is MineTREE (min-e-tree - like mineral or Yosemite).
What did the math teacher say when he turned into a plant
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.
.
Gee-I'm-a-tree
oh my GOD
Is a square-mile colony of quaking aspen that is genetically identical the same organism? If so, then it will live for as long as the environment it grows in remains favorable.
Yes, the 'trees' are just different stems of the same plant, most of which is underground as roots.
Really it’s as long as the environment allows life to be possible, even if only one tree can sustain life, the entire forest still lives… or well… are each tree called branches??? You get the point.
Have you guys missed the never dying tabacco plant created with crispr?
Trees: the real millennials.
Bambu Fan lol, more like: multi millennials
Isn't that the same case with lobsters?
Answers: yes, yes and yes.
To one of your questions... I am most definitely a tree :)
I can imagine another reason for trees not living forever is probably external biological interference such as parasitism, disease etc. I mean if you are alive in one place long enough and drought, flooding, landslides, fire, lighting or some other physical process doesn't end up taking you out probably parasites or diseases would infect you eventually.
That's exactly right! Disease and parasites would be included in those external factors that could end the life of a tree. Some diseases, such as sudden oak death, we don't even fully understand at the moment!
@@TheGoodStuff I think sudden oak death may be caused by many cells of the same tree racking up so many different mutations over tens of thousands of cell divisions, causing them to not be able to work with each other. That means there's organ failure and the tree dies.
A tree once told me: '' , .''
Sadly I did not hear or understand the wisdom of its words... :( But I know they have much more to tell, if given a common language. :)
Trees grow older in adverse growing conditions, not perfect ones. All the oldest bristlecone pines grow in nutrient-limited and water-limited environments. The 'perfect' conditions for an old-lived tree is stable, adverse conditions, where the growth rate is slow but the likelihood of external damage is diminished.
Makes sense, I mean, most things that live a while live average lives, people over 100 live ordinary lives, some smoke every single day, so I wouldn’t doubt that the best way to live would just be how your meant to live (smokin ain’t included I just gave example of livin even if the odds don’t make sense)
Good video. IMO eliminating the background music would have made it even better.
Would ideal external conditions still prevent internal causes of death? Do trees even have that? Like humans can exercise and eat well and still just randomly get cancer. Can that happen to a tree?
I'd say no because a hypothetical tree millions of years old would have been considered a new species because it has racked up so many genetic mutations that it couldn't pollinate with its former self if it traveled back in time, even though it never had a "normal" death.
I...am...Groot!
We got ourselves another tree!
I really like Sam as host!
Thanks! Sam does too (this is Sam).
I have a secret, I'm a tree 🌳 😢 i was hiding between human for centuries but you caught me red handed. Congrats 😭😭😭😭
I love old trees and interested to measure their ages.
Is there any instrument or device or method to calculate the age of old trees?
Cut them down and count.
yes, unlike what mark said they have boring techniques nowadays to measure the age of trees without killing them.
If you cut it down, then you'll never know
Yes. I’m a tree
Trees need to be cared for its what they call pru
3:40 the Austrian oak
"Up until now, nobody knows [if a tree lives forever]". Purely with mathematical reasoning I can say: we will never ;-). It's called the Halting Problem ;-).
"Are you a tree? Let us know in the comments." Lol
im definitely a tree. i provide shade.
Great evidence to support your true nature.
Are you a tree? Comment below
Soooo we have a tree in Sweden that is 9´558 years old.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Tjikko
Yeah but... can't anyone just edit an article in Wikipedia like...
Ok now we have a tree in Brasil with 69.420 years
@@Nick-jx7py ua-cam.com/video/jgspUYDwnzQ/v-deo.html
Done
I am, in fact, a tree.
you are what you eat therefore i am tree
“shout out to the trees!”
Are you a tree? 🌲
1st Stupidity Award 2017 for the category "Stupid questions"
Yes Xd
I am a tree
Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor!
Yes, i´m a tree!!
they lived forever until the mushrooms learned to eat them duh
Since I was little I assumed that they could...
A banyan tree ( ficus banghalensis) can live forever.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say no.
Well, hello there young saplings.
Trees... They, are, us...
I AM A TREEEEeEEeeeeeee!!
Am tree. Not sure how old but wide af so maybe hit me up for the next tree based episode
Yes, I'm a tree.
I'm a 240 year old blood orange tree
Alt wie ein Baum
Möchte ich werden
Genau wie der Dichter es beschreibt
I am not a tree but I wish I was.
I used to be a tree. Then I took some aging to the trunk.
I am not a tree, in any of the places.
Trees made humans
wait tree's watch us?
Maybe... I am a tree
Am I a tree? I don't know. Maybe?
If so what kind of tree am I?
I identify as a lodge pine
But seriously, good vid. It's also a good thing to know that older trees are better carbon sinks as we can focus conservation on old growth forest.
I'm actually a fungus. The plant and animal bias on this channel is insulting.
I absolutely agree with you.
I clicked on the ad
So Groot is immortal then?
He got smashed to mulch and still managed to nuke a god. So I'd say yes.
WHEN WILL ADA APPEAR IN A GOOD STUFF VIDEO.
I'm making like a tree and leafing this comment section.
i am a tree
IM A TREE
I... am.... groot
I just imagined I was a tree given centiance... Shut up I've been up all night and it's 9 in the morning.
Ents can be mean...
Huh, The more you know
i am a tree and i am 200 years old
I am groot
i am Groot
So basically we don't know.
I’m a tree.
Am tree
My
Yip im a tree
Soon to all be burnt to the ground. So sad
Yes a tree can live for ever anything can we can maybe but just for 275-300 then we would just become mindless zombies that wouldn’t be able to talk or comprehend speech
I am tree.
Definitely no organism, let alone tree, can be considered to live forever, even under ideal conditions. That is because the original species will be considered extinct due to genetic mutations. For example, humans and chimps share a common ancestor that is now classified as extinct, even though the lineage never ended. Even "living fossils" aren't counted as part of the original species because genetic drift changed them so much that they couldn't reproduce with the original if they traveled back in time.
Just imagine that a hypothetical 10-million-year-old tree has different branches with leaves that evolved to be different species, which I think linchens formed in a similar manner, though billions of years earlier and over hundreds of millions of years.
After all, species is a man-made concept.
I am a tree