You’d think that the recent changes to m1 feinting would change anything, but man, feels like it barely affects combat. If only feinting had a similar system to parrying where it can detect successful feints and removes endlag entirely as a reward.
@@Phantom-qv8gl you mean lightspeed reflexes? The point of saying feinting is useless is because it’s easy to react to due to the endlag; now softfeint an m1 into strong left, and now you have a hard to react to guardbreak and you can feint strong left on top of that as a mixup.
maybe you could've also talked about whiffing m1s, now that parry cooldown is bigger missing some m1s (like turning your camera away from your enemy as you're about to hit them) can throw some people off since your m1 sound will play but they'll miss their parry, effectively working as a feint
right! Perhaps I could’ve added that to the feinting mechanic section of the video, but I wanted to keep a balance of how much info I gave about each mechanic. If I make a more dedicated video on feinting, will mention intentionally whiffing m1s for sure
@@kirito-78 I wasn’t super knowledgeable about PvP when m1 feinting was meta, but I do remember seeing like a demo where the time to react to m1 feinting was super tough and like borderline unreactable, must’ve been crazy to play against
@@kirito-78tbh if they feint a lot they’re kind of easy to read especially if they’re heavy however many heavy users back then actually were really good at reading and planning ahead with their super armor sadly super armor is still kinda buggy and can still get cancelled by “multi hits” such as bleed ticks for some reason
verse 1 was so unbalanced i remember a compilation of many attacks and mantras having less than 150ms activation time which is by literal means unreactable unless you live next to the servers and you are on drugs
yoo this is the best guide ive seen so far any tips for players with higher ping? (I have 70 ping in my best servers I don't like ever get these servers but usually around 120+ for other servers 😭)
hi can you also explain dodge canceling and when is the best time to use it? i just started playing like a few days ago and i notice everyone in pvp doing it
oh yeah for sure, good on you for asking when you're this new to the game. The main problem with rolling normally and not roll cancelling by right clicking in the middle of the roll, is that rolling normally has huge amounts of endlag. What I mean by this, is near the end of the rolling animation, theres a period where you can't do anything, like parrying or attacking etc. This kills the momentum of whatever you may be trying to do, and your opponent can punish you for this endlag by movestacking a mantra (using a mantra in the middle of an m1 so that the mantra comes out very quickly after the m1 i.e. right after your dodge frames are gone and you're in the endlag part of your dodge). So, in order to remove this endlag you *usually* want to dodge cancel instead of just doing a full dodge in PvP. hope this clarifies it for you.
@@SpidersDW thank you for the reply :) so i should use it when i want to dodge basically? like dodging a mantra except i just cancel it to avoid endlag?
you can def make curved blade work, but most high elo players agree that the scaling and extra stat points from a hero blade due to not having to invest in medium make the heroblade a better choice. all crits are not viable at all really against good players, and the innate aftercut from curved is useless since the aftercut does less damage than inhale's aftercut, and you should be inhaling a lot on gale anyway
yes, and despite some people say I still think it’s really good to have in your kit. in current meta high posture f holders are so cancer to play against, without champions it’s 🪦
@@SpidersDW say i use rising shadow while m1ing right and i wanna wait for them to land so i can crit or whatever, sometimes ill use a mantra and it'll do an m1 right after i do it which can mess up my combos
@@zmuknukz5051 ik this is 3 weeks ago but i dont know if you know they added a new setting in options called input buffering which you could disable and it fixes it
I like most of these but I refuse to animation mask, that's some fatherless activity. Same thing with these inf combo builds people make with massive aoe, I'd rather lose then become that fatherless
You forgot running a crazy build which can drop you 100-0 in one combo! Because people only care bout winning it's build Vs build rn so why even make a vid like this.
I’m telling you, this is the wrong mindset to have. There’s a reason that not everybody who runs a cheese build is top 250, and a reason why none of the comp PvP UA-camrs run a typical cheese build. That’s because fights are NOT build vs build, and skill prevails
honestly id say as long as you're not lagging and getting consistent 60+ fps you'll most likely be fine. I actually don't really know if having higher than 60fps is important since that's the limit on my monitor, so you'd have to ask someone else.
@@SpidersDW it's pretty good, I have played on both 60(my pc) and 240(friend), the game just feels smoother, also it's easier to see animations, nothing more than that That and well for some reason network requests are tied to fps so a tiny advantage there compared to having low fps
Thanks spiders this video helped a lot. I’m right now trying to get to top 250 and these tips are really helping. Thank you
thank you spiders for letting us know the top 5 pvp mechanic you need to learn in deepwoken (guys stop saying im an npc its hurting my feelings)
of course 😆
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ur not real
@@ekans9193certainly more real than your father 😢😢😢😢
we love the dramaturgy by eve in the bgm
M1 baiting is really beneficial for me cuz I always go lightspeed reflexes, especially on greatsword builds I end up parrying their vent so much
Aint no way we got top 5 videos on deep now
You’d think that the recent changes to m1 feinting would change anything, but man, feels like it barely affects combat.
If only feinting had a similar system to parrying where it can detect successful feints and removes endlag entirely as a reward.
yeah the recent feinting changes are def not enough to make them viable imo, 0.2s endlag instead of 0.25 is still huge
The parry talent with intelligence that gives ur feints a parry makes it more viable as there is less risk when feinting
@@Phantom-qv8gl you mean lightspeed reflexes? The point of saying feinting is useless is because it’s easy to react to due to the endlag; now softfeint an m1 into strong left, and now you have a hard to react to guardbreak and you can feint strong left on top of that as a mixup.
maybe you could've also talked about whiffing m1s, now that parry cooldown is bigger missing some m1s (like turning your camera away from your enemy as you're about to hit them) can throw some people off since your m1 sound will play but they'll miss their parry, effectively working as a feint
right! Perhaps I could’ve added that to the feinting mechanic section of the video, but I wanted to keep a balance of how much info I gave about each mechanic. If I make a more dedicated video on feinting, will mention intentionally whiffing m1s for sure
The verse 1 meta…
@@dorshaldoes5055The counter to auto parry….
yo good growth on ur channel! keep grinding that content
thank you!
you gained 250 subs overnight...
Goated
thank you! Super grateful for the quick growth, I didn’t expect my videos to be received this well this quickly
if only m1 feints were like they used to be in verse 1, it was so fast and so much more useful
they were so strong back then, personally I prefer mantra feinting being stronger than m1 feinting, but I may be a little biased since I play gale
No it was UNFAIR.
I remeber fighting some macroing crypt blade spamming feint m1 every parry trade it wasnt fun at all
@@kirito-78 I wasn’t super knowledgeable about PvP when m1 feinting was meta, but I do remember seeing like a demo where the time to react to m1 feinting was super tough and like borderline unreactable, must’ve been crazy to play against
@@kirito-78tbh if they feint a lot they’re kind of easy to read especially if they’re heavy however many heavy users back then actually were really good at reading and planning ahead with their super armor sadly super armor is still kinda buggy and can still get cancelled by “multi hits” such as bleed ticks for some reason
verse 1 was so unbalanced i remember a compilation of many attacks and mantras having less than 150ms activation time which is by literal means unreactable unless you live next to the servers and you are on drugs
3:56 thanks for explaning that exploit 👌
damn you gained like 300 subs in like a day great video
the tip about being able to uppercut after parry stun made me actually able to land gale combos
goated video, you know what you're talking about
thank you! I made sure to practice and improve a lot before I started posting videos so that I could have helpful things to share
@@SpidersDW informative and helpful content, keep up the great work my man! I'm sure your channel will boom soon
@@toNieh thank you! I appreciate your kind words
idol goes hard in the background
ngl your gale heroblade build looks fun asl you should make a video on it
will probably make a vid on it soon, I’m waiting a little to see how impactful the tap dancer changes are on my build first
How are you asking for a reveal on a single attunment hero blade…
@@codeblue6925 🤷♂️stat allocations and talents can still be unique
Bro I'm not gonna lie they need to add endlag to mantra feinting it's so cheese
hope they don’t do this tho ngl, mantra feinting is so smooth rn
yoo this is the best guide ive seen so far
any tips for players with higher ping? (I have 70 ping in my best servers I don't like ever get these servers but usually around 120+ for other servers 😭)
Got tired of getting void walkered on so I’m learning pvp
nicee, i had a similar type of motivation to that when i was starting to learn PvP too
I fought a voidwalker a few hours ago and won, they are annoying...
hi can you also explain dodge canceling and when is the best time to use it? i just started playing like a few days ago and i notice everyone in pvp doing it
oh yeah for sure, good on you for asking when you're this new to the game. The main problem with rolling normally and not roll cancelling by right clicking in the middle of the roll, is that rolling normally has huge amounts of endlag. What I mean by this, is near the end of the rolling animation, theres a period where you can't do anything, like parrying or attacking etc. This kills the momentum of whatever you may be trying to do, and your opponent can punish you for this endlag by movestacking a mantra (using a mantra in the middle of an m1 so that the mantra comes out very quickly after the m1 i.e. right after your dodge frames are gone and you're in the endlag part of your dodge). So, in order to remove this endlag you *usually* want to dodge cancel instead of just doing a full dodge in PvP. hope this clarifies it for you.
@@SpidersDW thank you for the reply :) so i should use it when i want to dodge basically? like dodging a mantra except i just cancel it to avoid endlag?
@@yslwhite pretty much, you should just default to roll cancelling in PvP and only full roll if you have a specific reason to
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for sure :D
W eve lofi background music
yup xd
this video was enjoyable
glad to hear it :D
This vid has me edged up 🥰🥰
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why u put a clip of fighting me in the background
💀 idk you are man at least drop your username or guild or something
Whats your thoughts on curved blade? Hero blade just seems so much better than curved iun every way that I dont even see curved that muchy in 1700+
you can def make curved blade work, but most high elo players agree that the scaling and extra stat points from a hero blade due to not having to invest in medium make the heroblade a better choice. all crits are not viable at all really against good players, and the innate aftercut from curved is useless since the aftercut does less damage than inhale's aftercut, and you should be inhaling a lot on gale anyway
@@SpidersDW sad to see this weapon fall off compared to hero blades make legendaries great again 😭
The dramaturgy goes crazy
does #4 work if they have aggressive posture talent
Afaik aggressive posture doesn’t apply here since you don’t actually get hit while using this
Yo what happened at 4:56 why are you full hp and almost at sudden death 😂
this guy plays super passive and he's a shield user so our matches usually go to sudden death
is champion's wilthrow still useable after the change
yes, and despite some people say I still think it’s really good to have in your kit. in current meta high posture f holders are so cancer to play against, without champions it’s 🪦
@@SpidersDW I mean you can always pick strong left
@@yharonmybeloved5798 ya strong left is underrated for non strength builds. still does hella posture damage even at low level
so is m1 mantra good or bad?
if you mean using hitstun it's very good
using an aerial after getting parried still has a delay? you are just spacing and they can still swing first
theyre supposed to swing while youre backing up so you dont take damage during your aerial
@@fp-individual71 yea thats what spacing is
ngl this macro thing they added is really messing up the combat for me, what should i do to solve it?
im not sure, could you be more specific about how it is messing up combat for you?
@@SpidersDW say i use rising shadow while m1ing right and i wanna wait for them to land so i can crit or whatever, sometimes ill use a mantra and it'll do an m1 right after i do it which can mess up my combos
@@zmuknukz5051 ik this is 3 weeks ago but i dont know if you know they added a new setting in options called input buffering which you could disable and it fixes it
the eve lofi music goes HARd
Is it just me or is deepwoken too fast paced to think about a plan of what im going to feint😭😊
You said to avoid m1 feinting because of endlag, but what if we’re using lightspeed reflexes?
I was more so talking about m1 feinting as a mixup, but you’re right, using lightspeed reflexes can be a good use of m1 feinting
@@SpidersDW if your parry is on cd can you still parry with lightspeed reflexes?
@@Champ_7298 yeah
@@Champ_7298yes, though it grants no auto parry frames from successful parries
Though it does reset your parry cool down right afterwards
@@Champ_7298 yep, I’ve heard of some top players actually using this effectively when they’re parry is on cd. usually after being hit by showstopper
Bless up
very good undderated deepwoken ytber ngl
appreciate it, I’m glad you liked the video
Very good vido
thank you
#1 BOOSTING RAAAAAH WHERE MY BOOSTERS AT?????
no boosting ❌❌
Boosting is gay.
spiders... you should do an irl fight club and then we can see whos really the best!!!! just like deepwoken!
just like deepwoken !!
I did a teleport but i dont have any moves
I like most of these but I refuse to animation mask, that's some fatherless activity. Same thing with these inf combo builds people make with massive aoe, I'd rather lose then become that fatherless
atp I'd just consider it a part of the game ngl, it's unlikely the devs are going to completely fix animation masking soon
@@SpidersDW that's a good point, hopefully I won't have to start using it
Do more of these videos
Yup that’s the plan, if these types ofvideos continue to do well then I’ll make more of them
You forgot running a crazy build which can drop you 100-0 in one combo! Because people only care bout winning it's build Vs build rn so why even make a vid like this.
I’m telling you, this is the wrong mindset to have. There’s a reason that not everybody who runs a cheese build is top 250, and a reason why none of the comp PvP UA-camrs run a typical cheese build. That’s because fights are NOT build vs build, and skill prevails
I'm not making it out of 800 Elo man 💀
that useful
Step #6: Get a better pc!
honestly id say as long as you're not lagging and getting consistent 60+ fps you'll most likely be fine. I actually don't really know if having higher than 60fps is important since that's the limit on my monitor, so you'd have to ask someone else.
@@SpidersDW it's pretty good, I have played on both 60(my pc) and 240(friend), the game just feels smoother, also it's easier to see animations, nothing more than that
That and well for some reason network requests are tied to fps so a tiny advantage there compared to having low fps
dramaturgy
no
these are good tips 🙏
Dramaturgy
hop off gale before u talk
mald
bro died to 1 gale hero (his life is over)
never!
ww vid
should i sub? nah
should we care? nah
did anyone ask? nah
@@shingiaxiom6650 who tf r u with your goofy avatar
@@vesperian_ik yo edgy goku black ass is not talking 😅
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