Great video swaggle. However, the chart does not adjust for consumer inflation. Consumer inflation is 15-20% overall since 2020. I think these % should be adjusted over time on a chart to show the true real values. Could be a good chart to look at instead of the prices without inflation adjusted. Inflation is out of control and we can't ignore how much of an impact consumer inflation has had on book prices. Most people not realizing a lot of books are now less real value than 2020 with consumer inflation adjusted.
What kind of idiot would ever think that comics are recession proof? They are literally the first thing getting axed from the budget for anyone going through a tough time.
I think that was the old school mentality of those who got comic books for cover price that are now worth thousands of dollars, but that’s absolutely not the case anymore since most new stories aren’t even worth the paper it is printed on.
Thank you for continuing to do this, it's useful information for a lot of collectors. I love reading and collecting comic books, but I'm also interested in the 'money' aspect as I just find it fascinating. I wouldn't recommend to anyone about investing in comic books, but it's an interesting aspect of the hobby. Hope you had fun at San Diego!
I've dipped my feet in both comics and sports/pokemon cards. For the most part comics collecting is focused on already released books. There aren't new characters that gain traction every year. With older books, the only real catalysts have been movie and film news. There are a lot of crazy shenanigans and similar issues with card collecting, but they naturally have an influx of new players or characters ever year that generate hype, and vintage stays relevant. Maybe a good video would be comparing the indexes of the different hobbies.
Thanks for the vid. Made some good points. I'd be interested in seeing a list of the best comics/ exclusive variants that were available at the SDCC. Sounds like a great event, but so many are unable to attend.
If there's a significant stock market crash, we may see a "Dead Cat Bounce" in the collectibles market. This could happen because some collectors may shift some of their cash into comics and other collectibles, not necessarily expecting high returns but because they are unfamiliar with other assets. The vendor's responses in your @Swagglehaus SDCC video identified that, despite the downturn in the comic book market, there's still demand for collectibles, even during economic uncertainties. This is definitely up for debate, but it has some potential validity.
Comics have been in a bear market for at least 2-3 years now. If unemployment goes up in a meaningful way then we’ll talk about a crash, because it will get very ugly.
@@Ken-g1x4t fully agree. Not sure why my comment is getting deleted. I hope it’s not Swaggel because I’ll just unsubscribe. Sick and tired of being ‘deleted’ for having an opinion. I hope it’s just the algo
the collectible market is all down...people would prioritize necessities instead of collectibles...economy is still bad...inflation rate is going up quickly...so people have no extra money for collectibles
great content - and you point out something that is very important. Doom-mania isn't likely to happen - any more than Madame Web mania should have. Dr. Doom in FF5 is $$$$... and most heavy duty collectors have one. And, now that spec is tired out - and there so few fools trying to part with their money (after about 30 movies, 30 tv shows, and 30 animated shows created hundreds os=f "spec" books - 98% of which dropped back to pre-spec pricing, there are very few people who will line up to drink the kool-aid this time. With spec dead, I don't think that prices for Doom (who has been in, I dunno... 500 comics at this point) aren't going to go through the roof. Marvel Superheros 20 will have a bump - and maybe Sup Villain Team Up - but the other 480 Doom appearances are likely going to gravitate about where they are.
These are great as always. If you collect something, as a hobby, continue. The hobby is relaxing and fun, a distraction. If you are into stocks and bonds, be shrewd. There is no overlap unless something you own just happens to rise organically, and if it does, does it stay ahead of inflation? Pure dumb luck? Good fortunes to everyone.
Will be interesting to see a report in Oct, Nov, as the Holidays approach how comic sales go. World is a mess right now with big market corrections. My guess is it has to filter into comic sales. Many cant afford food, car insurance, rent, mortgage, etc. etc. etc.
I stopped buying graded books, I've found that I prefer them raw. I only buy slabs if they are signature series as I feel like those deserve to be slabbed.
Bought some stocks today and I will be buying stocks over the next few weeks if the market continues melting. Unfortunately, I will be using some of my comic money for this, so my comic spending power will be lower over the next few weeks. Other people probably think the same way which could lead to softer comic prices, but who knows for certain.
They've always been long term investments,10yrs+ we just had a boom past 5or so years w movies etc which caused casual flippers and anyone who saw an easy buck venture into the hobby but as soon as it started to drop they all bailed leaving just the avid collectors again,like it always does..until the next wave in a decade or so just the way its always been.But super happy to have so many of the"buy any hot modern and slab/flip it dudes go away!".Levels the books for the real collectors
How do you bring in new readers and collectors? How about producing comics that people actually want to read as well as collect especially from the big 2 publishers.
Odd. Im still doing very well moving books. Of course, ive been lucky enough to buy my stock at very low prices allowing me to cut great deals...but as a whole I haven't had any kind of drop in business and im not moving massive keys or anything. I don't feel any crash at all.
I don't think it is nostalgia pushing up the copper/modern books and not the silver/bronze. I think it is simply affordability. Basically every single person buying Infamous Iron Man #1 right now would trade it in a second for Fantastic Four #5 if they could even remotely afford it. Which... I think is also an indicator of the market as a whole likely to keep going down. Personally I wouldn't be surprised at all if 90% of everything hits 2018 numbers or lower over the next year or two unless some massive world changing events occur to stop it (which even then, it's probably more likely the massive world changing events accelerate the decline.) But who knows? Just hope everyone is being careful with their money.
The comic book market is in freefall and is set to plunge even further over the next 12-15 months. This isn't speculation-it's a fact backed by undeniable sales trends. If you have the disposable income, now is a prime opportunity to buy and hold. In fact, waiting another 4-6 months could yield even better deals. However, this is a disastrous period for flippers, local comic shops, and similar ventures. Most of them will struggle to survive the tough economic conditions ahead.
What makes you believe that buying and holding will pay off? I agree with your comment, though I'm not so confident that there will ever be another boom period for comics.
These UA-camrs are full of sh!t Only buy the biggest best key you can afford of a *household name* I've been saying this for years. Why buy a wall full of fodder when you can have 1 spidey #1 or a nm98 9.8 or a GA tec in higher grade. Save your money buy one good book, ignore these *DEALERS* thier only interested in themselves!!!
I think it's because collectors need more of a regular adrenaline hit. Your strategy is exactly right for investment purposes, but not so much for fun.
@@TT-fq7pl I agree, yes long term & one Grail boring but affective for investing, or buy multiples of one book if you're going to spec with the best roi, the moment you buy ih181's and tos 39, DD #1's all great books don't get me wrong, but might aswell buy one low/NG af15 imo. For me personally a poor man on a budget 1 nm98 9.8 or several slabbed average grade books will (is already) bringing me long term joy as a future ih181.
The funniest thing is Silver Surfer in new Fantastic Four movie is a girl. Once again Marvel doesn`t care about their long-time fans. Sell Fantastic Four #48.
Great video swaggle. However, the chart does not adjust for consumer inflation. Consumer inflation is 15-20% overall since 2020. I think these % should be adjusted over time on a chart to show the true real values. Could be a good chart to look at instead of the prices without inflation adjusted. Inflation is out of control and we can't ignore how much of an impact consumer inflation has had on book prices. Most people not realizing a lot of books are now less real value than 2020 with consumer inflation adjusted.
What kind of idiot would ever think that comics are recession proof? They are literally the first thing getting axed from the budget for anyone going through a tough time.
You gonna endure the crisis with stoicism or you gonna soil yourself?
I think that was the old school mentality of those who got comic books for cover price that are now worth thousands of dollars, but that’s absolutely not the case anymore since most new stories aren’t even worth the paper it is printed on.
Love these episodes. Bring moooarrr spreadsheets and charts!
Thank you for continuing to do this, it's useful information for a lot of collectors. I love reading and collecting comic books, but I'm also interested in the 'money' aspect as I just find it fascinating. I wouldn't recommend to anyone about investing in comic books, but it's an interesting aspect of the hobby. Hope you had fun at San Diego!
I've dipped my feet in both comics and sports/pokemon cards. For the most part comics collecting is focused on already released books. There aren't new characters that gain traction every year. With older books, the only real catalysts have been movie and film news. There are a lot of crazy shenanigans and similar issues with card collecting, but they naturally have an influx of new players or characters ever year that generate hype, and vintage stays relevant. Maybe a good video would be comparing the indexes of the different hobbies.
Thank you - very informative. Appreciate it. Looking forward to your insights on SDCC - especially “wall pricing”.
Thanks for the vid. Made some good points. I'd be interested in seeing a list of the best comics/ exclusive variants that were available at the SDCC. Sounds like a great event, but so many are unable to attend.
If there's a significant stock market crash, we may see a "Dead Cat Bounce" in the collectibles market. This could happen because some collectors may shift some of their cash into comics and other collectibles, not necessarily expecting high returns but because they are unfamiliar with other assets. The vendor's responses in your @Swagglehaus SDCC video identified that, despite the downturn in the comic book market, there's still demand for collectibles, even during economic uncertainties. This is definitely up for debate, but it has some potential validity.
As an analyst, I love these videos. Keep up the good work, Swag.
Comics have been in a bear market for at least 2-3 years now. If unemployment goes up in a meaningful way then we’ll talk about a crash, because it will get very ugly.
That will be good. I have a lot on my wish list. If it means my other books go done hard so be it
This is kinda meaningless.. the numbers i mean. Try selling a book for fmv. Noone has any money lol.
@@VolkswagenGamer me too. Hulk 1 AND X Men 1 are at the top of the list
@@Ken-g1x4t indeed. But sellers are not capitulating with those big keys, not on eBay anyway
@@Ken-g1x4t fully agree. Not sure why my comment is getting deleted. I hope it’s not Swaggel because I’ll just unsubscribe. Sick and tired of being ‘deleted’ for having an opinion. I hope it’s just the algo
the collectible market is all down...people would prioritize necessities instead of collectibles...economy is still bad...inflation rate is going up quickly...so people have no extra money for collectibles
I cant wait till im old enough to feel ways about stuff 🚀
Love the video. Comics will probably go down in value another 20% until the end of the year.
great content - and you point out something that is very important. Doom-mania isn't likely to happen - any more than Madame Web mania should have. Dr. Doom in FF5 is $$$$... and most heavy duty collectors have one. And, now that spec is tired out - and there so few fools trying to part with their money (after about 30 movies, 30 tv shows, and 30 animated shows created hundreds os=f "spec" books - 98% of which dropped back to pre-spec pricing, there are very few people who will line up to drink the kool-aid this time. With spec dead, I don't think that prices for Doom (who has been in, I dunno... 500 comics at this point) aren't going to go through the roof. Marvel Superheros 20 will have a bump - and maybe Sup Villain Team Up - but the other 480 Doom appearances are likely going to gravitate about where they are.
Go Woke, Go Broke. Imagine what our comic book riches would have looked like if 2021, 2022 and 2023 had MCU content that was as good at D&W.
These are great as always. If you collect something, as a hobby, continue. The hobby is relaxing and fun, a distraction. If you are into stocks and bonds, be shrewd. There is no overlap unless something you own just happens to rise organically, and if it does, does it stay ahead of inflation? Pure dumb luck? Good fortunes to everyone.
Will be interesting to see a report in Oct, Nov, as the Holidays approach how comic sales go. World is a mess right now with big market corrections. My guess is it has to filter into comic sales. Many cant afford food, car insurance, rent, mortgage, etc. etc. etc.
We should say thank you for not being greedy and asking for money for this valuable information 😅
Comics are meant to be encased & displayed on a wall...🤯
I stopped buying graded books, I've found that I prefer them raw. I only buy slabs if they are signature series as I feel like those deserve to be slabbed.
Bought some stocks today and I will be buying stocks over the next few weeks if the market continues melting. Unfortunately, I will be using some of my comic money for this, so my comic spending power will be lower over the next few weeks. Other people probably think the same way which could lead to softer comic prices, but who knows for certain.
When the stock market crashed in 1929 it took till 1953 for it to recover
@@chi-tn maybe not war bonds 😔
Even in bad economic times peoplle will buy collectibles yo escape realitu
People only buying comics because they are trying to make money are going to lose their shirts.
Agreed by the best comic you can afford the biggest key you can afford on a budget & hold long term.
Comics are just more fun :))
People losing jobs, fear, what cost of living hasn’t gone up?
Im surprised by the sideways movement in this graph, it seems like the bottom dropped out this past month on all the IG sales Ive seen
buy buy buy
It's gonna keep dipping, hold off still
Who still invests in comic books? Talk about bad investments.
This dude, who has had more girls, and who will continue to have more girls, than you will ever get. ::kicks you into a fire::
@@seminolewind158
What's it got to do with girls? Comic books except for a few are a bad investment. Next year's prices will be even lower.
They've always been long term investments,10yrs+ we just had a boom past 5or so years w movies etc which caused casual flippers and anyone who saw an easy buck venture into the hobby but as soon as it started to drop they all bailed leaving just the avid collectors again,like it always does..until the next wave in a decade or so just the way its always been.But super happy to have so many of the"buy any hot modern and slab/flip it dudes go away!".Levels the books for the real collectors
How do you bring in new readers and collectors? How about producing comics that people actually want to read as well as collect especially from the big 2 publishers.
People are reading Manga.
Well, the market will take care of itself, I don’t worry about having new people entering the market.
Dont invest what you cant afford to lose, goes for stocks, metals, ammo, etc.
excellent
Odd. Im still doing very well moving books. Of course, ive been lucky enough to buy my stock at very low prices allowing me to cut great deals...but as a whole I haven't had any kind of drop in business and im not moving massive keys or anything.
I don't feel any crash at all.
How are you moving them, and how are you acquiring cheap stock? Are you Ebay or Whatnot, yardsale or store?
I don't think it is nostalgia pushing up the copper/modern books and not the silver/bronze. I think it is simply affordability. Basically every single person buying Infamous Iron Man #1 right now would trade it in a second for Fantastic Four #5 if they could even remotely afford it. Which... I think is also an indicator of the market as a whole likely to keep going down. Personally I wouldn't be surprised at all if 90% of everything hits 2018 numbers or lower over the next year or two unless some massive world changing events occur to stop it (which even then, it's probably more likely the massive world changing events accelerate the decline.) But who knows? Just hope everyone is being careful with their money.
The comic book market is in freefall and is set to plunge even further over the next 12-15 months. This isn't speculation-it's a fact backed by undeniable sales trends. If you have the disposable income, now is a prime opportunity to buy and hold. In fact, waiting another 4-6 months could yield even better deals. However, this is a disastrous period for flippers, local comic shops, and similar ventures. Most of them will struggle to survive the tough economic conditions ahead.
What makes you believe that buying and holding will pay off? I agree with your comment, though I'm not so confident that there will ever be another boom period for comics.
secured deeds of trust on Real estate and Comics is where I dwell for investments
🐻🐻🐻
These UA-camrs are full of
sh!t
Only buy the biggest best key you can afford of a *household name* I've been saying this for years.
Why buy a wall full of fodder when you can have 1 spidey #1 or a nm98 9.8 or a GA tec in higher grade.
Save your money buy one good book, ignore these *DEALERS* thier only interested in themselves!!!
I think it's because collectors need more of a regular adrenaline hit. Your strategy is exactly right for investment purposes, but not so much for fun.
@@TT-fq7pl I agree, yes long term & one Grail boring but affective for investing, or buy multiples of one book if you're going to spec with the best roi, the moment you buy ih181's and tos 39, DD #1's all great books don't get me wrong, but might aswell buy one low/NG af15 imo.
For me personally a poor man on a budget 1 nm98 9.8 or several slabbed average grade books will (is already) bringing me long term joy as a future ih181.
The funniest thing is Silver Surfer in new Fantastic Four movie is a girl. Once again Marvel doesn`t care about their long-time fans. Sell Fantastic Four #48.
Why I agree about Marvel, why would you sell FF 48? Only flippers have that mentality and flippers are the scourge of the comic collecting world.
If that's your mentality then you're in the hobby for the wrong reason.
@@adamlata3869 Who is?
@@JDRamos213 the guy saying to sell ff4 based on the MCU. Dude is a speculator and not a collector so he can take a hike as far as I'm concerned
@@adamlata3869 so true