Some of the best albums I've ever found were in thrift shops. Tapes, or cd even records. Now every time I see a sale or anything I stop and look thru the music. You normally will find a good 90 percent trash but you WILL find gems. Garunteed
I can remember purchasing this on cassette when I was 17 I'm 47 now. Never heard of the band but took a chance on the Name and never regret it one bit . VIVA SMASHING PUMPKINS✌🍻🌮
Im also 47 now. A friend introduced me to sp with this EP... When the drums and clean guitar set in on rhinoceros the heavens opened up... Young corgan was a genius
1993, aviation hangar, Bermuda, building lockers, co-worker shows up with this & Gish, life changed forever. He introduced me to Primus during that time as well. He had the music and I had the boombox. Needless to say, he was the best co-worker ever.
In the 90s when buying a record was a gamble, and usually a good one. Bought this and The Pixies and Sonic Youth blind with recommendation from the muso behind the counter. It was creative times with The Pixies on the old record player and a new cartoon on tv called The Simpsons. I had no idea what these musos looked like- no photos. In New Zealand it was like The Beatles in the early 60s- genuinely alternative.
Cool story....glad you found them....but your country has so many great alternative/psychedelic/freak folk bands and artists too! Alastair Galbraith, The Dead C, Birchville Cat Motel, Peter Wright, and so many more...check out labels like Pseudo Arcana and Last Visible Dog Records, although LVD is no longer in existence unfortunately....try Discogs....
Among the few things I'm gonna take with me when it will be time to go, there will be the final solo of "Rhinoceros" at 5:14 and the interlude of "Blue" at 7:50. Man, they kill me. They make me wanna die and they make me wanna live forever. Oh, melancholy. How I hate loving you.
It's amazing what the sound of a guitar will do to the human brain. Always been a huge fan of Billy Corgan even when my other friends were listening to other bands. I'd love to meet him in person.
Me and a friend were walking around Minneapolis in 1990 and saw a flier for Smashing Pumpkins on the door of 1st Ave and 7th St entry. We had to see them on name alone. It was awesome. As we stumbled out I looked at my digital watch and it was 11:11 11-11-90. I been seeing 11:11 twice a day more often than not since.
I used to take this cassette from my sister's case and sit in her car and listen to it. The year was 1993, I was 13, the car was a 1980 Oldmobile Cutlass. Lol. 11:17 during Slunk is awesome! If you have never heard it, look up "Tribute To Johnny". Really good instrumental.
'Slunk' is just pure epic. They were given the label of 'alternative,' but the song is kind of heavy to fit that genre. I played it for my headbanger roommate at the time and he was like, "fucking A, man." (A positive review.) Lol.
Dude. DAMN. Not that I haven't heard these songs before, but I never knew they were a pre-Gish EP. And together they are just great. Thank you for this.
I loved this music back then without having a clue what is about, now i still relate much stronger, as i lose connection with people, i gain stronger bond with music
Been a fan since early 1992. Love this band. Even named my daughter Lily after the song. My GMA was Lillian so was originally for her but in 1995 when MCIS was released I had to give her name pumpkins influence.
I wouldn't call Smashing Pumpkins hated in the slightest. The most hated alt rock band is easily Nickelback. Black Eyed Peas get a ton of hate too, and another is the Insane Clown Posse, I've even heard a lot of hate for Nirvana - most of it around the time of the film The Wrestler. People aren't fans of Billy Corgan's neurotic behaviour, but that doesn't translate to hate for Smashing Pumpkins. The only time I saw hate for the band was when Kim Gordon (Sonic Youth) called them pussies, and back in the day people didn't like Disarm's potential pro-life message.
Kim Gordan has won so many awards from her peers and their respect. Yeah, whatever, she can't name call anyone. She's like one of those sucker fish and lives at the bottom of the ocean. She ain't special. She need to get Courtney's name out her mouth.
@@adiemissworld sonic youth can't write a great song even if their life depends on it. It worked much better for them "experimenting" with guitars and having a snobbish attitude.
Especially when Siamese Dream came out there was a fair bit of negative commentary by indie figures about the instrument playing, the musical style, and the production, not to mention the switch to Virgin Records. Steve Albini, Kim Gordon, Pavement, Mark Arm, Kim Thayil and Kim Deal all had negative things to say about them or about Corgan in print during the 1991-1994 period--not to mention the many Nirvana sycophants that populated the British music press at the time. After Mellon Collie, when the Pumpkins simply became global rock stars, those earlier conversations about indie credibility were forgotten.
People’s main problem with him seems to be that he deviates from the acceptable (liberal) orthodoxy. Sure, there’s the conspiracy theory stuff, but I also can’t blame him there with how much we are constantly lied to by the corporate news and entertainment media. This didn’t used to be a controversial opinion among alternative types, lol. I’m not a conservative, btw, I’m just into acceptance and tolerance of different ideas.
@@rogermoss1976 If you read the recent interviews, he is very, very open about his emotional and even spiritual journey through all the corporate shit of the 90's. He basically had to learn the hard way and with zero guidance how to deal with fame, money, success and record labels' horrible way of using musicians as products for profit back in the day. The fact that he is alive and producing music today is nothing short of a miracle.
@@taffysaur People thought Billy was a pretentious cunt and that his music was inorganic and formula-driven way back in the 1990's. Has ZERO to do with Corgan's middle-age political ramblings.
Smashing Pumpkins 1996 Lafayette La 2007 Asheville NC 2022 New Orleans La Zwan 2002 St Louis Mo 2003 Chicago Il 2003 Houston Tx Those were the times I specifically went to see them But my first time was Lollapalooza 1 New Orleans La I believe was either 1991 or 92 I forgot. Also went to Woodstock 94 and 99. Unfortunately I had no camera and lost all my tickets and everything to 94 :( unless it's in a box somewhere I forgot about but I was robbed 2 times because people knew I collected stuff. Fortunately they didn't steal everything
its really pointless cause Rhinoceros is on the Gish LP & Blue is on the B-sides & cover LP called Pisces Iscariot. out of all the pumpkins songs you would think they would have replaced the first 2 songs since you can find them on other releases.
@@grimabsolssbm what I mean is, instead of putting Blue on Pisces Iscariot they could've put an alternate version of Blue like the one on the Gish reissue. they have so many good songs they could've put different ones on the Lull ep instead of Rhinoceros (Gish) & Blue (Pisces Iscariot.)
Before "Mellon Collie" there was no "The", it was just- Smashing Pumpkins, smashing being a verb. Their name with "the" turns smashing into an adjective. That represents their "corporate sellout", nothing that followed was ever quite as cool. Pisces Ischariot, fittingly, i feel is their best LP, the last one before mellon collie. The track "Blue" from this EP is on that album too.
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I got this at a salvation army in middle school, best dollar i ever spent
I need that back please, I meant to sell James Iha's album by mistake.
Hell yeah man that's cool. I also found a few gems there as a young teen
Some of the best albums I've ever found were in thrift shops. Tapes, or cd even records. Now every time I see a sale or anything I stop and look thru the music. You normally will find a good 90 percent trash but you WILL find gems. Garunteed
LOL, well spent dollar
I found mine in an alley!
I can remember purchasing this on cassette when I was 17 I'm 47 now. Never heard of the band but took a chance on the Name and never regret it one bit . VIVA SMASHING PUMPKINS✌🍻🌮
We were the same age listening to the same tape.
Yep my girlfriend at the time had this. I'm 46
Im also 47 now. A friend introduced me to sp with this EP... When the drums and clean guitar set in on rhinoceros the heavens opened up... Young corgan was a genius
Jimmy Chamberlain is my favourite drummer.
Dude, of all time ever. Yes. So damn fun
me too !!
same
that snare!
1993, aviation hangar, Bermuda, building lockers, co-worker shows up with this & Gish, life changed forever. He introduced me to Primus during that time as well. He had the music and I had the boombox. Needless to say, he was the best co-worker ever.
😊
Wow. This is a hidden treasure from the 90's.
In the 90s when buying a record was a gamble, and usually a good one. Bought this and The Pixies and Sonic Youth blind with recommendation from the muso behind the counter. It was creative times with The Pixies on the old record player and a new cartoon on tv called The Simpsons. I had no idea what these musos looked like- no photos. In New Zealand it was like The Beatles in the early 60s- genuinely alternative.
Cool story....glad you found them....but your country has so many great alternative/psychedelic/freak folk bands and artists too! Alastair Galbraith, The Dead C, Birchville Cat Motel, Peter Wright, and so many more...check out labels like Pseudo Arcana and Last Visible Dog Records, although LVD is no longer in existence unfortunately....try Discogs....
Among the few things I'm gonna take with me when it will be time to go, there will be the final solo of "Rhinoceros" at 5:14 and the interlude of "Blue" at 7:50.
Man, they kill me. They make me wanna die and they make me wanna live forever.
Oh, melancholy. How I hate loving you.
Well said. Same here for 20+ years now. 👍
It's amazing what the sound of a guitar will do to the human brain. Always been a huge fan of Billy Corgan even when my other friends were listening to other bands. I'd love to meet him in person.
@@Miguel-yx9zg didn't they release a new album?
I love you
Janes Addiction has tons of moments like these. I love this EP. And Gish.
I have this cassette in my time capsule tucked away safely for my son.
Lovely sentiment - thank you.
can i be your son
When only this and Gish were out the SMASHKINS were sort of like a secret club that you had to know about. What a cool time that was..
Me and a friend were walking around Minneapolis in 1990 and saw a flier for Smashing Pumpkins on the door of 1st Ave and 7th St entry. We had to see them on name alone. It was awesome. As we stumbled out I looked at my digital watch and it was 11:11 11-11-90. I been seeing 11:11 twice a day more often than not since.
I got this when I saw them as a promo, I just put together a nice drum kit and played 99% of it from memory..and it felt soo good...
I remember hearing Rhinoceros one late night on college radio in 7th grade in my bed and I felt like I was levitating.
I have this CD. Got it for like $6, the record shop didn’t know what they had. Such a underground smashing pumpkins record
I used to take this cassette from my sister's case and sit in her car and listen to it. The year was 1993, I was 13, the car was a 1980 Oldmobile Cutlass. Lol. 11:17 during Slunk is awesome! If you have never heard it, look up "Tribute To Johnny". Really good instrumental.
So you're as old as that car, cool!
@@guitaristssuck8979 lol, I like how that’s what you got from that. Yeah, I’m a bit wordy sometimes. 😆
'Slunk' is just pure epic. They were given the label of 'alternative,' but the song is kind of heavy to fit that genre. I played it for my headbanger roommate at the time and he was like, "fucking A, man." (A positive review.) Lol.
damn i love this record.
Yes
I realized how amazing this is... Bye June and Blue are so good songs... This sounds like gish, just positivity.
legendary insane drumming in these songs..
I saw them down town Houston, before they got big. I knew it was going to be good. I grew up with them ,a part of me love them.
The guitar in blue starting at 7:44 defines the unknown of innocence, and then that may never be clear.
Killer EP, and owned it since it came out,👍
gem
Dude. DAMN. Not that I haven't heard these songs before, but I never knew they were a pre-Gish EP. And together they are just great. Thank you for this.
Yeah the context makes them so much more special ❤
They were always so raw...like velvet. You could depend on their song uplifting and bringing you back down as well. Music lacks that now
Sounds great
There's not much that can stand above SP.
Thanks for the upload!
Killer my man, sounds fimiliar with me playing it on cassette still and GISH on CD in Bayfield Ontario 👍
I loved this music back then without having a clue what is about, now i still relate much stronger, as i lose connection with people, i gain stronger bond with music
Same here
Happy 28th birthday LULL.
i'll just replay this again, thank you.
0:00
1:09 of rhinoceros reminds me of the scene in my own private Idaho, when Mike was standing at the news stand.
thank you !
Been a fan since early 1992. Love this band. Even named my daughter Lily after the song. My GMA was Lillian so was originally for her but in 1995 when MCIS was released I had to give her name pumpkins influence.
One of the most underrated bands of the 90s
Beautiful.
Word to favorite album word
My girlfriend gave me Gish for my birthday in 1993 and when we broke up a month later, Lull and Siamese Dream helped heal my heart.
Îmi pierd mințile de ceva vreme, dar acea muzică însorită întunecată, printre multe altele, mă ajută să plutesc, să-mi țin capul deasupra apei
I bought 2 CDs from this album, from both Record Labels that released it.
I still own this and the 89 self titled cassette yet no cassette player. Basically art pieces now that I will never part with.
Has a "Maids of Gravity" feel to it......btw....love love love the Maids of Gravity
Ok the riff on Slunk sounds like it come right off a Soundgarden album
D'Arcy used to call Rhinoceros "that slow song"
EP not an album, but still a cool release
I wouldn't call Smashing Pumpkins hated in the slightest. The most hated alt rock band is easily Nickelback. Black Eyed Peas get a ton of hate too, and another is the Insane Clown Posse, I've even heard a lot of hate for Nirvana - most of it around the time of the film The Wrestler.
People aren't fans of Billy Corgan's neurotic behaviour, but that doesn't translate to hate for Smashing Pumpkins. The only time I saw hate for the band was when Kim Gordon (Sonic Youth) called them pussies, and back in the day people didn't like Disarm's potential pro-life message.
Dude people only read into surface level all the time.. disarms is about more than that.
Kim Gordan has won so many awards from her peers and their respect. Yeah, whatever, she can't name call anyone. She's like one of those sucker fish and lives at the bottom of the ocean. She ain't special. She need to get Courtney's name out her mouth.
Except that Nickelback aren't alternative at all
@@adiemissworld sonic youth can't write a great song even if their life depends on it. It worked much better for them "experimenting" with guitars and having a snobbish attitude.
Especially when Siamese Dream came out there was a fair bit of negative commentary by indie figures about the instrument playing, the musical style, and the production, not to mention the switch to Virgin Records. Steve Albini, Kim Gordon, Pavement, Mark Arm, Kim Thayil and Kim Deal all had negative things to say about them or about Corgan in print during the 1991-1994 period--not to mention the many Nirvana sycophants that populated the British music press at the time. After Mellon Collie, when the Pumpkins simply became global rock stars, those earlier conversations about indie credibility were forgotten.
"Most hated alt-rocker"
Skip the Nickleback reference
People love to hate success. I've read a lot of shit lately about Billy Corgan, but who can deny he is a genius?
He's kind of fucked up, but oh, the music! @@biodumb
People’s main problem with him seems to be that he deviates from the acceptable (liberal) orthodoxy. Sure, there’s the conspiracy theory stuff, but I also can’t blame him there with how much we are constantly lied to by the corporate news and entertainment media. This didn’t used to be a controversial opinion among alternative types, lol.
I’m not a conservative, btw, I’m just into acceptance and tolerance of different ideas.
@@rogermoss1976 If you read the recent interviews, he is very, very open about his emotional and even spiritual journey through all the corporate shit of the 90's. He basically had to learn the hard way and with zero guidance how to deal with fame, money, success and record labels' horrible way of using musicians as products for profit back in the day. The fact that he is alive and producing music today is nothing short of a miracle.
@@taffysaur People thought Billy was a pretentious cunt and that his music was inorganic and formula-driven way back in the 1990's. Has ZERO to do with Corgan's middle-age political ramblings.
If I ever get to see them again I hope they play Slunk but the Chump version. Also Jesus Loves His Babies.
Smashing Pumpkins
1996 Lafayette La
2007 Asheville NC
2022 New Orleans La
Zwan
2002 St Louis Mo
2003 Chicago Il
2003 Houston Tx
Those were the times I specifically went to see them
But my first time was Lollapalooza 1 New Orleans La I believe was either 1991 or 92 I forgot.
Also went to Woodstock 94 and 99. Unfortunately I had no camera and lost all my tickets and everything to 94 :( unless it's in a box somewhere I forgot about but I was robbed 2 times because people knew I collected stuff.
Fortunately they didn't steal everything
🌱🌸💙😀
meow. 9:15
Never heard this. Was this meant to be a demo?
EP
its really pointless cause Rhinoceros is on the Gish LP & Blue is on the B-sides & cover LP called Pisces Iscariot. out of all the pumpkins songs you would think they would have replaced the first 2 songs since you can find them on other releases.
sphere 528 At the time, Pisces Iscarot wasn’t out.
@@grimabsolssbm what I mean is, instead of putting Blue on Pisces Iscariot they could've put an alternate version of Blue like the one on the Gish reissue. they have so many good songs they could've put different ones on the Lull ep instead of Rhinoceros (Gish) & Blue (Pisces Iscariot.)
Billy said it was supposed to be a single (Rhinoceros single, presumably) but the record company tricked them and released it as an EP.
Obscure by that you meant readily available? and for $4.00 USD
I think he means not widely known.
BIen
Before "Mellon Collie" there was no "The", it was just- Smashing Pumpkins, smashing being a verb. Their name with "the" turns smashing into an adjective. That represents their "corporate sellout", nothing that followed was ever quite as cool. Pisces Ischariot, fittingly, i feel is their best LP, the last one before mellon collie. The track "Blue" from this EP is on that album too.
Ok Boomer.
Not true. Their first demo tape was “The Smashing Pumpkins”.
Ummmm...
Mellon Collie is a masterpiece..
Fuck the word " The "
LOL, check out Patrick Bateman over here
Mellon collie maby best album after dark side!!Amen
This is copywritten
They were always so raw...like velvet. You could depend on their song uplifting and bringing you back down as well. Music lacks that now...
Nailed it. I feel so inspired and so ill forgotten by Billy's music.
Reminds me of crying after a rough day at school, looking up at my ceiling at midnight