I just want to extend my deepest gratitude for you two!!! I am an old lady who just began growing food this year (2020):-) I am doing hugels, composting, absolutely no chems, and 90% of what I am doing I learned from you!!! I feel like a kid again;-) I could go on with cool stories of how I am recycling every bit of biomass my existing permaculture provides, and so much more:-) I have now watched every Edible acres video and looking forward to your fall offerings 🥰 Please hang in there through this drought, what you are doing is wonderful and needful, our food supply is so degrades, and the abuses from huge agro practices are heartbreaking.
So so happy to see this! We love to share our journey with folks and to know that it has a positive impact with some people really helps keep the motivation up. Thank you for sharing and happiest of growing to you!!
This guy has inspired me over the last few years. I bought 2 1/2 acres a year ago. I drove a point well for water this past weekend. I use a small “suitcase” generator to power the well pump when needed as I have no electricity at the property. I was pretty proud to drive down 33 feet and finally hit water, it was a learning experience and everything I used can fit in the trunk of a car. I am so happy with the water quality, it ran clear and bright from the start, not a bit of cloudiness and tastes excellent, (Yes I will have it tested after I pump several hundred gallons) Yesterday I planted Hinnomaki gooseberry, Rovada Currant, Koralle Lingonberry, and Ben Sarek Black Current. Today I will plant Mountain Ash Rabina and Shipova trees. Tomorrow 3 varieties of strawberries.
Thank you for this really interesting video. I wasn't aware that I could take cuttings from roots so this had completely opened my eyes. Thank you for sharing your knowledge here with the rest of us. Its a brilliant way to share the love around and to educate the world as to the benefits of permaculture. We can't all access your amazing products but we can all learn from what you share. Thank you from Tasmania Australia :)
Root cutting propagation isn't a universal way to propagate, but an excellent tool to be aware of, and to know that it isn't as complicated as some folks suggest...
I planted some from cuttings in the fall of 2012 and just started pollarding mine. They're almost split-rail size ( large post). They are sending up shoots up to 20 ' away.
Any chance we could get a little update on how successful this project has been? Just curious how many of those cuttings have sprouted new growth. I planted four 12-18" whips last spring (2018) and they're all 7-9 feet tall already with a couple clones sprouting from the roots already. I can't get over how fast they grow!
I wish I could say we got massive numbers, but the reality is that I ran out of time to keep up with the weeds in these beds and so there are a few that were able to push through but this season has been hard for me to keep up with all the moving parts. Enough to grow a few out, but definitely not the numbers I had hoped for!
dont have time, but are these the ones with the thorns,,,,,uggggg,,,,they make us crzy, we have a thicket with these things,,,,,will have to check into this more,,,,,happy day to u two
Perfect timing! I was just researching this yesterday! It's fall here in Australia - should I wait until Spring to attempt to propagate cuttings? Thank you - very helpful video!!
I'm not professional... But I've found in general for root cuttings to work well you would ideally have warm soil that can help promote callousing and growth. Spring is our appropriate window where we live in a cold climate. Perhaps you can try some now and some in the spring?
Lessons learned: they like pretty warm soils to start rooting well and they need follow up and management to keep up with weeds if they are going into a weedy bed (both things I DIDN'T do so I lost them in this round unfortunately)
@@edibleacres thanks for the reply! Have you tried rooting cuttings (sticks/branches NOT roots)? I am trying that, as well. Trying to make a living fence from black locust.
Thanks for asking. I should have shown that. I cut them for the most part in the same fashion, but some were way too thick so I just put extra long fatty pieces like that on their sides and buried them. Call it lazy or call it a highly calculated experiment, I'm happy either way :)
@@edibleacres, I'd go with highly calculated experiment. I often tell folks that my gardening is just a long string of annual experiments. Dang! It just occurred to me! Can you imagine how many backyard scientists are conducting gardening experiments across this country? Wonder what it would look like if we all lived in the same area? Gads! We'd be fighting over free resources; wood chips, leaves, grass clippings, food scraps. Arguing over the best way to make compost. Maybe it's a good thing we're spread out. :) www.backyardgrowers.org/our-story-and-impact www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2018/04/18/1480986/0/en/Gardening-Reaches-an-All-Time-High.html www.farmerfoodshare.org/farmer-foodshare/2017/6/15/gardening-boom-1-in-3-american-households-grow-food www.gardentech.com/blog/gardening-and-healthy-living/an-american-timeline-home-gardening-in-the-us
Do you have any black locust root that you could sell? Just need a couple. Thus far I have not found any that will grow here in Montana.(zone 3/4) Thanks for your good work!
I've planted out everything I got. Hoping for them to take well, and if they do I'll have nice plants available for the fall... We'll do a follow up video and share notes.
I have a black locust tree (upstate ny)that produces saplings about 15 feet from the main tree , can I dig them up when they go dormant ( November) and transplant or should I do it in the spring
I hear you, and surely the soil conditions and light competition has influence. That said, I've looked closely at many many locust groves, hoping to find something 'special' and this patch has trees that are incredible in how straight and branchless they grow. I've spoken with other forestry people from the area and this patch has become a known location for some of the best genetics we know of.
We had tall Black Locust where I grew up and a neighbor cut one down and measured it at 95 feet tall, and ours reached the same level but started farther down a hill, so they were essentially taller by maybe 10 feet more, and they still had more to go. They were incredibly strong and straight, but all the Black Locust around Rotterdam New York were like that unless they were alone in the open.
I tried selling seedlings and cuttings years ago and got zero response. This was about 5-6 years ago. My feeling is many more people know of this amazing species now. I came to this sight because I've never seen a video titled shipmast locust. I've only heard the term from a man that has mature shipmast locust on his property and he told me the history. That's not what I'm growing, but it is a good cultivar.
When we dig up younger trees from nursery beds we are able to get roots that way, or from larger trees we can find small root sections if we poke around a while.
You want everything covered in soil, but it can be a small amount of soil covering the part you want to have the shoots emerging from... But nothing should be sticking out.
@@edibleacres if you use corrugated cardboard as part of the mulch, might that help? BTW, I would certainly volunteer for the work crew as you decide to do this again. Our Restoration team will be wanting a few rows of this shipmast variety. Are you familiar with John D Liu and the Ecosystem Restoration Coop camps? They seem to be expanding autonomously. You might like them. Enjoy your week! 🌲😎🌲
You can try in the fall for sure, but I've personally had better results in the spring when the soil is warming. Maybe try both? The trees are almost certainly not fully dead...
@@edibleacres Pulled a bunch of root cuttings and planted them out in a small nursery similar to what you did. I might as well try in the spring as well, thank you!
I don't have personal experience with this, but it doesn't seem unreasonable... I can say that taking root cuttings in later spring, and putting them in a communal container in a very warm space like a high tunnel or greenhouse has hugely positive results... Try both!
I saw something today that I wanted to ask you about. I saw a felled black locust with a "tree" growing from the felled tree. Any suggestions on propagating from that "tree" or any of its branches?
@@AB-zf6me I discovered a young black locust growing near our wood pile. We don't have any black locust here on our farm so I wondered where it came from. When I examined it, I discovered that the tree had grown from a cut log that was lying on the ground, almost buried under other logs! Someone had given us these logs. There are roots coming out the bottom of the horizontal log and a huge branch/trunk coming out the top of the log. When it goes dormant I'm going to try to dig it up and transplant it. It's right next to our barn at the moment. Sounds like you had a similar experience.
Could you talk more about not having a light mulch like compost? My thought is that as long as it's not too thick, heat penetration should still be fine and provide all the other benefits (less weeds, nutrition, etc.). I'm not sure I'm correct, though.
I should have... Basic story is that the season really got away from me and the bed got swamped with weeds before they had a chance to really take... I lost them due to over-loading my projects... :(
@@edibleacres Thanks for the update! Next time you do something like this is there anything you might try differently to make the weed issue easier to manage?
I have a question. I did a cutting on a hybrid poplar tree and had new growth that came out one side of the cutting. Can you tell me how can I get growth on all sides of the cuttings? I am concern with the current cutting because it only grew a stem out of one side of the cutting. It so unbalanced that I can image how this tree could support itself with the growth coming out one side at an angle. I would appreciate anyone's help on this subject?
That seems like a reasonable thing to try. I'm going to use it quite a bit for our dwarf sour cherries in the spring. Any plants that tend to sucker a bit naturally should be reasonable candidates.
I planted some from cuttings in the fall of 2012 and just started pollarding mine. They're almost split-rail size ( large post). They are sending up shoots up to 20 ' away.
@@edibleacres I was down your way looking for some shipmast cuttings but didn't have the time to find any. I had a contact who filled me in on some cool history of the cultivar in the area. Cayuga area.
I just want to extend my deepest gratitude for you two!!! I am an old lady who just began growing food this year (2020):-) I am doing hugels, composting, absolutely no chems, and 90% of what I am doing I learned from you!!! I feel like a kid again;-) I could go on with cool stories of how I am recycling every bit of biomass my existing permaculture provides, and so much more:-) I have now watched every Edible acres video and looking forward to your fall offerings 🥰 Please hang in there through this drought, what you are doing is wonderful and needful, our food supply is so degrades, and the abuses from huge agro practices are heartbreaking.
So so happy to see this! We love to share our journey with folks and to know that it has a positive impact with some people really helps keep the motivation up. Thank you for sharing and happiest of growing to you!!
This guy has inspired me over the last few years. I bought 2 1/2 acres a year ago. I drove a point well for water this past weekend. I use a small “suitcase” generator to power the well pump when needed as I have no electricity at the property. I was pretty proud to drive down 33 feet and finally hit water, it was a learning experience and everything I used can fit in the trunk of a car. I am so happy with the water quality, it ran clear and bright from the start, not a bit of cloudiness and tastes excellent, (Yes I will have it tested after I pump several hundred gallons) Yesterday I planted Hinnomaki gooseberry, Rovada Currant, Koralle Lingonberry, and Ben Sarek Black Current. Today I will plant Mountain Ash Rabina and Shipova trees. Tomorrow 3 varieties of strawberries.
@Andy great start, best of luck🍀
Sounds like you are getting into some amazing projects. Kudos! So glad to have you as part of the community here.
Thank you for this really interesting video. I wasn't aware that I could take cuttings from roots so this had completely opened my eyes. Thank you for sharing your knowledge here with the rest of us. Its a brilliant way to share the love around and to educate the world as to the benefits of permaculture. We can't all access your amazing products but we can all learn from what you share. Thank you from Tasmania Australia :)
Root cutting propagation isn't a universal way to propagate, but an excellent tool to be aware of, and to know that it isn't as complicated as some folks suggest...
I was just wondering how to propagate these. Thanks for another informative video! Now to find a stand of ship mast locust!
Fingerlakes NY. Long island ny.
Your friend has some beautiful trees.
I planted some from cuttings in the fall of 2012 and just started pollarding mine. They're almost split-rail size ( large post). They are sending up shoots up to 20 ' away.
Whoa cool! Those really looked like some superior genetics.
Any chance we could get a little update on how successful this project has been? Just curious how many of those cuttings have sprouted new growth. I planted four 12-18" whips last spring (2018) and they're all 7-9 feet tall already with a couple clones sprouting from the roots already. I can't get over how fast they grow!
I wish I could say we got massive numbers, but the reality is that I ran out of time to keep up with the weeds in these beds and so there are a few that were able to push through but this season has been hard for me to keep up with all the moving parts. Enough to grow a few out, but definitely not the numbers I had hoped for!
Very interesting! Cant wait for the future follow up video.
I had no idea that such trees could be root propagated, kinda thought that would only work with "spreading" plants, great video as always:)
Black Locust is a tree that spreads, generally because of root disturbance. So we're mimicking/facilitating this natural behavior here in a way.
Thanks for the info, I never knew:)
dont have time, but are these the ones with the thorns,,,,,uggggg,,,,they make us crzy, we have a thicket with these things,,,,,will have to check into this more,,,,,happy day to u two
Thank you for this video.
Did you ever do the update video?
Perfect timing! I was just researching this yesterday! It's fall here in Australia - should I wait until Spring to attempt to propagate cuttings? Thank you - very helpful video!!
I'm not professional... But I've found in general for root cuttings to work well you would ideally have warm soil that can help promote callousing and growth. Spring is our appropriate window where we live in a cold climate. Perhaps you can try some now and some in the spring?
I just did this.. have 1 of 5 coming up in a container... 😍😍😍
Did this work well? I just tried this today...crossing my fingers!
Lessons learned: they like pretty warm soils to start rooting well and they need follow up and management to keep up with weeds if they are going into a weedy bed (both things I DIDN'T do so I lost them in this round unfortunately)
@@edibleacres thanks for the reply! Have you tried rooting cuttings (sticks/branches NOT roots)? I am trying that, as well. Trying to make a living fence from black locust.
Interesting, but would like to know how you planted the larger diameter root cuttings. Same fashion?
Thanks for asking. I should have shown that. I cut them for the most part in the same fashion, but some were way too thick so I just put extra long fatty pieces like that on their sides and buried them. Call it lazy or call it a highly calculated experiment, I'm happy either way :)
@@edibleacres, I'd go with highly calculated experiment. I often tell folks that my gardening is just a long string of annual experiments. Dang! It just occurred to me! Can you imagine how many backyard scientists are conducting gardening experiments across this country? Wonder what it would look like if we all lived in the same area? Gads! We'd be fighting over free resources; wood chips, leaves, grass clippings, food scraps. Arguing over the best way to make compost. Maybe it's a good thing we're spread out. :)
www.backyardgrowers.org/our-story-and-impact
www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2018/04/18/1480986/0/en/Gardening-Reaches-an-All-Time-High.html
www.farmerfoodshare.org/farmer-foodshare/2017/6/15/gardening-boom-1-in-3-american-households-grow-food
www.gardentech.com/blog/gardening-and-healthy-living/an-american-timeline-home-gardening-in-the-us
Do you have any black locust root that you could sell? Just need a couple. Thus far I have not found any that will grow here in Montana.(zone 3/4) Thanks for your good work!
I've planted out everything I got. Hoping for them to take well, and if they do I'll have nice plants available for the fall... We'll do a follow up video and share notes.
I would love to buy a couple cuttings of those genetics as well if you have any you can harvest from!
Is there a video of you uprooting the roots and the tools required? Thanks.
I don't think I filmed that, sorry.
But I'd look up on-line 'King Of Spades" nursery spade as potential investment if you get into this work.
@@edibleacres ok thanks, did you dig near the trunk of the tree?
I have a black locust tree (upstate ny)that produces saplings about 15 feet from the main tree , can I dig them up when they go dormant ( November) and transplant or should I do it in the spring
Always best in fall
The straightness of the parent tree's most likely due to local growing conditions light other trees etc.
I hear you, and surely the soil conditions and light competition has influence. That said, I've looked closely at many many locust groves, hoping to find something 'special' and this patch has trees that are incredible in how straight and branchless they grow. I've spoken with other forestry people from the area and this patch has become a known location for some of the best genetics we know of.
I second this over genetics, and would add in nursery practices, soil conditions on that site, and pruning.
Cornell University has researched this extensively, and determined that genetics are hugely important in the occurrence of tall straight Black Locust.
We had tall Black Locust where I grew up and a neighbor cut one down and measured it at 95 feet tall, and ours reached the same level but started farther down a hill, so they were essentially taller by maybe 10 feet more, and they still had more to go.
They were incredibly strong and straight, but all the Black Locust around Rotterdam New York were like that unless they were alone in the open.
Any indication on when you might have more root cuttings available?
I tried selling seedlings and cuttings years ago and got zero response. This was about 5-6 years ago. My feeling is many more people know of this amazing species now. I came to this sight because I've never seen a video titled shipmast locust. I've only heard the term from a man that has mature shipmast locust on his property and he told me the history. That's not what I'm growing, but it is a good cultivar.
How do you get the roots???? I can't even think of how you would go about that?
When we dig up younger trees from nursery beds we are able to get roots that way, or from larger trees we can find small root sections if we poke around a while.
After the root cuttings are inserted in the soil bed do we have to cover the top part of the roots completely with the soil or exposed it?
You want everything covered in soil, but it can be a small amount of soil covering the part you want to have the shoots emerging from... But nothing should be sticking out.
@@edibleacres okay..
Thank you so much for the video! It was really helpful ｡◕‿◕｡
How did these turn out? I'd love to see a quick follow up.
I need to do a more formal update, but short update is I ran out of time to manage and care for these and they got lost in the weeds :(
@@edibleacres oh no! We've all been there before. I guess if they took then they'll be peaking up above the weeds sometime this year
@@edibleacres if you use corrugated cardboard as part of the mulch, might that help? BTW, I would certainly volunteer for the work crew as you decide to do this again. Our Restoration team will be wanting a few rows of this shipmast variety. Are you familiar with John D Liu and the Ecosystem Restoration Coop camps? They seem to be expanding autonomously. You might like them. Enjoy your week! 🌲😎🌲
Think this will work now? November 2022, North Carolina.
I just had a couple younger trees killed by deer and I wanted to give it a go...
You can try in the fall for sure, but I've personally had better results in the spring when the soil is warming. Maybe try both? The trees are almost certainly not fully dead...
@@edibleacres Pulled a bunch of root cuttings and planted them out in a small nursery similar to what you did. I might as well try in the spring as well, thank you!
Would rooting hormone help?
I'm in zone 5. I'm trying this with some canada red chokecherry. Can you do this in the fall and leave outside during winter?
I don't have personal experience with this, but it doesn't seem unreasonable... I can say that taking root cuttings in later spring, and putting them in a communal container in a very warm space like a high tunnel or greenhouse has hugely positive results... Try both!
I saw something today that I wanted to ask you about.
I saw a felled black locust with a "tree" growing from the felled tree. Any suggestions on propagating from that "tree" or any of its branches?
Amazing that they do that! Not sure how best to advise there, as I haven't had luck propagating from stem cuttings on this plant.
@@edibleacres I may try moving the log and "tree" to another spot and burying the log.
I'll let you know if I have any success.
@@AB-zf6me I discovered a young black locust growing near our wood pile. We don't have any black locust here on our farm so I wondered where it came from. When I examined it, I discovered that the tree had grown from a cut log that was lying on the ground, almost buried under other logs! Someone had given us these logs. There are roots coming out the bottom of the horizontal log and a huge branch/trunk coming out the top of the log. When it goes dormant I'm going to try to dig it up and transplant it. It's right next to our barn at the moment. Sounds like you had a similar experience.
@@beckymeyer1818 yes, very similar indeed!
Let me know if you have any success!
Could you talk more about not having a light mulch like compost? My thought is that as long as it's not too thick, heat penetration should still be fine and provide all the other benefits (less weeds, nutrition, etc.). I'm not sure I'm correct, though.
That seems like a very reasonable assumption to add a bit of dark colored mulch as a benefit...
@@edibleacres Thanks. Appreciate your response and you!
Hey did you ever do a follow up to this?
I should have... Basic story is that the season really got away from me and the bed got swamped with weeds before they had a chance to really take... I lost them due to over-loading my projects... :(
@@edibleacres Thanks for the update! Next time you do something like this is there anything you might try differently to make the weed issue easier to manage?
I love'it this tree
Do you have any available clones left of the straight and tall locust trees? I'd be willing to buy some off of you.
We may in the spring but not just yet.
I have some.
How hard could it be? These things are more hardy and tenacious than weeds.
I have a question. I did a cutting on a hybrid poplar tree and had new growth that came out one side of the cutting. Can you tell me how can I get growth on
all sides of the cuttings? I am concern with the current cutting because it only grew a stem out of one side of the cutting. It so unbalanced that I can
image how this tree could support itself with the growth coming out one side at an angle. I would appreciate anyone's help on this subject?
I bet it will balance over time, or you can cut back the 'leader' to promote more balanced growth.
was it a success? Can we get seeds?
We are ramping up numbers now and hope to have them on offer next fall.
Wonder if it works for american plums
That seems like a reasonable thing to try. I'm going to use it quite a bit for our dwarf sour cherries in the spring. Any plants that tend to sucker a bit naturally should be reasonable candidates.
@@edibleacres ooo i got some cupids cherry im going to try it ..i want to get more from the romance series
Actually what is the result😅
I planted some from cuttings in the fall of 2012 and just started pollarding mine. They're almost split-rail size ( large post). They are sending up shoots up to 20 ' away.
Amazing!
@@edibleacres I was down your way looking for some shipmast cuttings but didn't have the time to find any. I had a contact who filled me in on some cool history of the cultivar in the area. Cayuga area.