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Great video, a couple of minor things though: It was initially thought that the Exocet that hit HMS Sheffield failed to detonate on impact, however in 2015, a MOD re-assessment of the attack concluded that the Exocet warhead did indeed detonate inside Sheffield, with the results supported by analysis using modern damage analysis tools, not available in 1982, and evidence from weapon hits and trials conducted since the end of the Falklands campaign. You also didn't mention HMS Gloucester in the Persian Gulf War: On the 25th Feb 1991, she was the first warship ever to shoot down a missile with a missile, whilst in action. The Iraqi Silkworm anti-ship missile was fired at USS Missouri and was successfully engaged and destroyed by Seadart Missiles fired by Gloucester.
And also missed was that Sheffield could have been saved by using her Chaff dispensers, like the rest of the fleet, has she seen the missile coming or acted on the warning broadcasts.
@@ingurlund9657Well hello nice seing you here, can you tell me everything about this class of ships? Oh wait you missed something? I guess you hate britain, totally not because you are not an omnipotent all knowing god of the universe hmm 🤔
Objection 1: The claim that Type 42 as initially built was "re-designed and shortened to save money" is nonsense. The original sketch designs were 385 ft. long. The final design chosen was 392 ft. long. There was never a point where it was longer and cut back. It is possible the length was frozen at 395 ft. to prevent the addition of new and expensive features which would drive up cost and threaten the program. Getting the equipment she was to receive did force the hull to be full too near the bow, resulting in wetness forward. Steel however is relatively cheap, and just lopping off some length doesn't save any money. Meaningful economies were made elsewhere in the design, which in many was was quite austere. She was the bare minimum Sea Dart ship. Also, the Type 42 were never conceived as escorts for the Invincible class small carriers. The Sea Dart frigate concept pre-dates that by a considerable margin. In the post-carrier RN Sea Dart ships were to be spread out across the fleet among groups of ships, not grouped around a capitol ship like Type 82. Batch III (design studies beginning in 1975) was stretched to 434 ft. because it had become obvious even before the first of class hit the water that the original Type 42 design was extremely cramped, had no growth margin and some undesirable sea keeping characteristics. Objection 2: At the time of HMS Sheffield's attack by Exocet carrying Super Etendard's it was her UAA-1 ESM system that was turned off, not her obsolescent Type 965R long-range air search radar (which would have been of little use anyway). She was using her SCOT satellite communications system which emitted radar-like frequencies whose side lobes gave off false alarms to the too closely located UAA-1 antenna. So UAA-1 was shut down during SCOT transmissions, which prevented Sheffield from detecting the radar emissions that would have indicated attack and allowed her to employ counter measures and potentially engage (yes, the gun and Sea Dart can engage Exocet). Even so, Sheffield did get warning of the incoming raid from other ships over her Link 10 datalink system, to which insufficient attention was paid. Objection 3: Post-Falkland's the surviving Type 42's got a quick remedial close-range weapon upgrade of a pair of twin 30mm BMARC guns and two additional Oerlikon GAM-B01 20mm. The Mk 15 Phalanx replaced the BMARC's in 1987, the ships losing the STWS torpedo tubes as weight compensation. Objection 4: HMS Sheffield did not have "an aluminum body that melted". Sheffield was struck in the machinery spaces. The gravity-fed header tank of her fuel system disgorged its fuel, spraying it about the engines space when the missile impact severed the fuel line. Broken casings on some of the gas turbines caused an intolerable high-pitched whine which kept damage control crews out of the space. Because Sheffield had no emergency generator outside her machinery spaces (cost cutting) she lost electrical power. Fires from the Exocet's rocket motor could not be easily put out as the fuel contained its own oxidizer. Smoke filled the machinery spaces and the lack of smoke barriers (cost cutting) meant the crew could not remain aboard. Melting aluminum (other than ladders) was not a factor. The losses of Type 42 destroyers in the Falkland's were due to conscious cost-cutting gambles made in the design stage to keep the ships affordable in the numbers required.
And the Royal Navy has still not learned from that in their new ships . Which are also under armed . The sea sceptre cannot shoot down ballistic missiles nor does it have true BVR capability . The RM Missed a big trick I think
@@darshanaratnayake6186 - Sea Sceptre isn't supposed to do those things. Not a requirement. It is, like its predecessor Sea Wolf a fundamentally ship self defense system. Not every ship needs or should have a BVR area air defense missile with ATBM capability - which is very expensive. That is why no navy puts such capability on every ship.
HMS Cardiff shot down the British Army Gazelle, almost two weeks after HMS Coventry was sunk. Sea Dart Firings and Kills 9th May 1982 - HMS Coventry - 3 Missiles fired. 2 at target at maximum range missed. One killed the Puma Helicopter. 22th May 1982 - HMS Cardiff - 2 missiles fired at an Argentinean Air Force 707 which was doing a reconnaissance flight over the British shipping route. Fired at Maximum range, the 707 managed to evade the missiles by going into a steep dive. 25th May 1982 - HMS Coventry - 3 Missiles fired. 2 shot down 2 skyhawks. One fired at a plane that hit her which missed. 25th May 1982 - HMS Invincible - 6 fired during the Exocet attack that sank Atlantic Conveyor. Most likely fired at Chaff clouds from another ship. 30th May 1982 - HMS Exeter - 3 missiles fired at the Exocet and 2 out of 4 Skyhawks attacking HMS Avenger and herself. First missile missed, second pair killed the two Skyhawks. Exeter had not had chance to load her Sea Dart Magazine to full war stocks when she was deployed from the Caribbean sea and she only had ten missiles onboard (she had left the UK with 15 missiles, but had fired 5 of them in a big exercise with the US Navy). She did get solid lock on the other two Skyhawks, but due to her captain not knowing when he was going to get reload missiles, he let them go. 6th June 1982 - HMS Cardiff Blue on Blue. 7th June 1982 - HMS Exeter fired 2 missiles at 2 Learjet photo reconnaissance aircraft. One missile went rogue due to a software bug in the fire control system which had been known about for 5 years and not fixed!!! But the other missile blew the tail off the other Learjet at maximum range, 14th June 1982 - HMS Cardiff shot down a Canberra. Cardiff fired 9 missiles during the war, so its a good bet she fired two missiles at the three targets she is known to have engaged. what happened to the other 3 missiles isn't recorded. Exeter fired at least 5 missiles, three of which hit targets. Coventry fired at least 6 missiles, three of which hit targets Apparently there were 36 attempted Sea Dart Firings by the Royal navy during the War. 33 of the Missiles actually flew (the three that didn't failed to launch (or even load the launcher) due to Launcher Malfunctions caused by Sea Salt encrustation (2 round Salvo from HMS Glasgow) or Ice (a single missile from HMS Coventry) . Taking the 6 missiles fired by HMS Invincible off as they were not shot at an aircraft of any kind, that leaves 26 missiles. 2 fired by HMS Exeter and Coventry are known to have failed due to being inside minimum range and a software issue. which means 8 targets were killed by 24 missiles (and 3 targets were known to have been missed due to the missiles being fired at maximum range and the targets managing to evade the missile, with 2 missiles known to have been fired at one of them). I've seen figures of reliability for the missile quoted between 33.3% and 50% (if you fire a 2 round salvo at a target your Single Shot Kill Probability (SSKP) automatically drops to 50%.
I think the US Navy were quite fond of the class in Gulf war 1. I seem to remember HMS Gloucester I think, intercepted a silkworm missile en route to sink an American capital ship, USS Missouri was it?
The trouble with the Type 42 was that as a result of cutting the design of the Type 82 down to the bare bones to save costs meant that they were always too small to be upgraded. This was improved with the stretched Type 42
When Chilean Navy went out to battle Flomar, 20 and 22nd december 1978, one of their concerns was the secondary capability of an argentinian Type 42 Sea Dart to engage surface targets up to 40 miles away. Anyhow, argentinians fled away north both times, when 200 hundred miles of the menacing chilean Escuadra, a habit that seems to have been deeply well embraced within Flomar's traditions.
I have followed the Type 42 class throughout the entirety of their careers. I saw the first one, HMS Sheffield, being built in Barrow in Furness in the early 70s; (as well as the ARA Hercules). I saw several of the class- including HMS Sheffield- at Portsmouth Navy Day in 1981; (as well as ARA Santissima Trinidad, which was moored alongside HMS Newcastle). I saw various Type 42s at several Navy Days until 2010. I then saw HMS Edinburgh at the Battle of the Atlantic 70th Anniversary Commemoration in 2013, 29 years after I had seen her at Birkenhead being fitted out: (I was not the last civilian visitor to board HMS Edinburgh at Birkenhead but I was the last one to disembark). So i have seen the Type 42 from before the entry of the first in class into service until the final decommissioning of the last one. Good video.
@@jonathanlegg4308 I have never served in the Royal Navy. However, some of my family worked in the Shipyard, Vickers at Barrow in Furness, that built some of these ships; (HMS Sheffield, HMS Cardiff, HMS Manchester and ARA Hercules). Thus I saw them when they were being built. I also saw various members of the class at various Navy Days including Portsmouth Navy Day 1981 where, in addition to various Royal Navy Type 42s I also saw the Argentinian ARA Santissima Trinidad. The last time I saw them- other than laid up in Fareham Creek awaiting Disposal was during the Battle of the Atlantic 70th Anniversary Commemorations in Liverpool and Birkenhead in 2013. There I went aboard the last Type 42 operational HMS Edinburgh. I was not the last civilian visitor to embark but I was the last civilian visitor to disembark from her, in Birkenhead at least. So, as you can see, I have literally been following them from when they were constructed since I was a young boy barely in his teens to when they were decommissioned as a mature man in his fifties.
@Adrian-qk2fn Wow, you have great connection with Type 42s. You mention a few there, one being the last ship I served on, Hms Cardiff. I also had drafts on Southampton and Newcastle. I have such great memories from back then, times I've never replicated in civvy street. If there is absolutely anything you'd like to know about what it was like to be on one of them, however small please ask. That said, it sounds like you know huge amounts already. 👍
@@jonathanlegg4308 Thank you. That sounds fascinating I know a lot about the technical side of the ships but very little about what life was like onboard them. I am sure you must have hundreds of different stories to tell and, when the time is suitable, I would like to hear some of them. Coiuncidentally, if my memory is not playing me tricks, I was actually onboard HMS Newcastle for Portsmouth Navy Day 1981, although I believe only the Upper Decks were open to the public. Would you have been onboard then or did you serve on her much later?
@Adrian-qk2fn I joined a few years after you'd had a look at her in April 89, I'd just turned 17. I had no idea we were starting a 5 month deployment to the Falklands the next morning 😳. Being a pretty quiet lad back then it was a real baptism of fire. It seems strange to say but the hardest part of being in the Navy is spending time at sea. Being very close to everyone is a social test and the watch keeping keeps you tired. I was given a mess square bunk which gave you a bit more space but getting an early night was impossible. First ever run ashore was Gibraltar where i managed to get myself severe sunburn on my legs after spending 4 hrs on the flight deck of Hms Ark Royal waiting for a friend to finish his watch so we could go for a drink. The 3 days bed rest given by the ships doc didn't go down very well with the lads considering I'd only been onboard for 3 days. Onto Ascension Island, and then the Falklands. The only place I ever had my passport stamped was in the post office at Port Stanley. Capsized a mirror dinghy at Mount Pleasant and nearly froze to death( hole in my wetsuit 🥶). The ships company were asked to vote on which place they wanted to visit on the way home for the much deserved station leave, Rio de Janeiro or Fort Lauderdale. 51%/49% in favour of Fort Lauderdale and I was happy with that. Super proud to arrive home in front of my family knowing I'd just gone through a huge learning curve and my eyes were now well and truly open. Apologies for going on a bit...
Calling the British no longer a World power in 1960 is a bit of a stretch ?? 8 Carriers 150 odd frigates and destroyers 240 odd surface combatants total.
@@tetraxis3011 The four are all Royal Navy warships that are prefixed His Majesty’s Ship. All defence personnel swear allegiance to the Crown, not their country of citizenship.
I sailed around the world in 1986 on HMS Manchester a Batch 3 stretched. We were hit by HMS Amazon on a San Francisco pier and our quarterdeck tore a massive hole in her side. She was repaired in 24hrs by a very nice lady welder from the US Navy. Always remember that day. I was stowing the helicopter away in the hangar when it happened.
Issues caused by the hull design which meant in heavy seas waves were splashing heavily over the gun/ sea dart system. so flash doors and micro switches were encrusted with sea salt prevented Sea Dart from being fired on several occasions, one of which happened on the raid Glasgow was hit. The Coventty loss happened because the type 909 was confused by the land as the ships were close to shore and then Coventry in trying to maneuver got in Broadsword's line of fire.when she was about to let loose Sea Wolf on the 2nd attempt. Issues with the escorting type 22's Sea Wolf system didn't help either during both attacks , but that was because it was designed as an anti missile missile so the computers threw a wobbly as there were instances when the targets behaved like aircraft and not missiles . As there was nothing in the programming to say that's still the target the computer would search for another target or crash as it didn't know what to do. As the war went on Sea Wolf was reprogrammed and re wired by a rep from the manufacturer Mr David Breen as he just happened to be on Billiant I think when they went south. When they worked both missile systems were deadly. Sea Dart did hit targets that were in theory below the min engagement height ( Exeter's Skyhawk kills ) and out of range (Cardiff 's Canberra) . Sandy Wooward who was Captain of Sheffield earlier in his career suspected some more Sea Dart launches were made when the target aircraft had to play ball and continue on course for the kill to be certain. He sent a message to Coventry earlier before that ship scored a kill saying "Don't fire till you see the whites of their eyes" hinting that he thought Coventry may have launched too soon when they seemed to miss a target.. That's easy to do when you're under pressure in war conditions ( launch early)
Sea Wolf was not a thing yet when Type 42 was designed. British policy at the time was for fundamentally single-role ships. One class would carry Sea Dart while another would carry Sea Wolf and yet another would carry Ikara. This even boiled down to Exocet, with re-built Leander's getting either Exocet OR Ikara. To get Sea Dart AND Sea Wolf on one hull you need a much bigger ship, which means more cost which means fewer ships. Type 42, particularly in Batch 1 and 2 could not accommodate Sea Wolf, which was hardly a compact system. Look at the very expensive near complete rebuilding of the Batch 3 "Seawolf Leander's where entire bulkheads had to be relocated for illustration. Heck, as built the Type 42 didn't have enough reserve to accommodate STWS-1 torpedo tubes! Personally, I always thought the Dutch Tromp class frigates (whose basic design came from Yarrow in the UK) did it all rather better.
@@McCorduRoy1972 - Standard SM-1 was in many ways less capable than Sea Dart circa 1982, but not in any way that would have really mattered in the Falkland's. Having an additional channel of missile fire forward for full 360 coverage would have prevented the situations we saw with the Type 42's were Sea Dart was sometimes blinded by the ship being pointed the wrong way, requiring hard maneuvers and "over-the-shoulder" shots. Having search radars with MTI even more important. And an ESM system that doesn't need to be shut off when you want to talk to someone.
@@MFitz12 A lightweight 4 Round Sea Wolf Launcher was in developement for fitting to the Type 42's, in place of the aft Type 909 Radar but the idea was dropped without any being made.
Previous to the falklands argentina was an ally of nato and uk. and as such had a good navy any airforce, as stated elsewhere the exocet was not alarmed by sheffield as her ew was turned off during satcoms. I served on manchested first commission and by then the errors had been fixed. Most of mznchesters cdwe was made up of survivors of manch and coventry. Sretched 42 had much better sea keeping than earlier ships. Good vid though and nice shots of d95.
@@albbu8 The Super Etendards we’re the only Modern Aircraft Argentina Had. From what I’ve been told, the radars on the Mirages weren’t working well anymore and Argentine pilots had to rely on ground stations, the British had far better missiles, and they had night vision.
To rub salt in the wounds the super entandard was picked up by other ships as they had to climb above the radar horizon to identify the target in order to program the info into the Exocet. The target was identified and informed passed by link 11 but not acted on specifically by the group. The whole debacle was sad venture both by the Argentine forces and uk as a result of dictators ambitions for the re own glory ........sounds familiar 40years on ??????!!!!!
In use,especially with the experience gained from the Falklands War,some ships were found to suffer from Hull Twisting ( technical term is 'hogging' i believe ),in particular the Type 21 Frigates.This was remedied post war,but with the advent of the stretched Batch 3 Type 42 and the Batch 3 Type 22 Ships issues were again found and the strengthening Beams had to be fitted.
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In the future could we see the lar-160
@@ansonellis443 Why not...
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Great video, a couple of minor things though:
It was initially thought that the Exocet that hit HMS Sheffield failed to detonate on impact, however in 2015, a MOD re-assessment of the attack concluded that the Exocet warhead did indeed detonate inside Sheffield, with the results supported by analysis using modern damage analysis tools, not available in 1982, and evidence from weapon hits and trials conducted since the end of the Falklands campaign.
You also didn't mention HMS Gloucester in the Persian Gulf War: On the 25th Feb 1991, she was the first warship ever to shoot down a missile with a missile, whilst in action. The Iraqi Silkworm anti-ship missile was fired at USS Missouri and was successfully engaged and destroyed by Seadart Missiles fired by Gloucester.
He wasn't going to mention it he doesn't like Britain.
@@ingurlund9657🤡🤡🤡🤡 just because they are French doesnt mean WD doesnt like England you goof
And also missed was that Sheffield could have been saved by using her Chaff dispensers, like the rest of the fleet, has she seen the missile coming or acted on the warning broadcasts.
@@ingurlund9657Well hello nice seing you here, can you tell me everything about this class of ships? Oh wait you missed something? I guess you hate britain, totally not because you are not an omnipotent all knowing god of the universe hmm 🤔
Life was Heaven on the D97.
Indeed it was!
Argentina retired ARA Hercules this month.
Objection 1: The claim that Type 42 as initially built was "re-designed and shortened to save money" is nonsense. The original sketch designs were 385 ft. long. The final design chosen was 392 ft. long. There was never a point where it was longer and cut back. It is possible the length was frozen at 395 ft. to prevent the addition of new and expensive features which would drive up cost and threaten the program. Getting the equipment she was to receive did force the hull to be full too near the bow, resulting in wetness forward.
Steel however is relatively cheap, and just lopping off some length doesn't save any money. Meaningful economies were made elsewhere in the design, which in many was was quite austere. She was the bare minimum Sea Dart ship.
Also, the Type 42 were never conceived as escorts for the Invincible class small carriers. The Sea Dart frigate concept pre-dates that by a considerable margin. In the post-carrier RN Sea Dart ships were to be spread out across the fleet among groups of ships, not grouped around a capitol ship like Type 82.
Batch III (design studies beginning in 1975) was stretched to 434 ft. because it had become obvious even before the first of class hit the water that the original Type 42 design was extremely cramped, had no growth margin and some undesirable sea keeping characteristics.
Objection 2: At the time of HMS Sheffield's attack by Exocet carrying Super Etendard's it was her UAA-1 ESM system that was turned off, not her obsolescent Type 965R long-range air search radar (which would have been of little use anyway). She was using her SCOT satellite communications system which emitted radar-like frequencies whose side lobes gave off false alarms to the too closely located UAA-1 antenna. So UAA-1 was shut down during SCOT transmissions, which prevented Sheffield from detecting the radar emissions that would have indicated attack and allowed her to employ counter measures and potentially engage (yes, the gun and Sea Dart can engage Exocet). Even so, Sheffield did get warning of the incoming raid from other ships over her Link 10 datalink system, to which insufficient attention was paid.
Objection 3: Post-Falkland's the surviving Type 42's got a quick remedial close-range weapon upgrade of a pair of twin 30mm BMARC guns and two additional Oerlikon GAM-B01 20mm. The Mk 15 Phalanx replaced the BMARC's in 1987, the ships losing the STWS torpedo tubes as weight compensation.
Objection 4: HMS Sheffield did not have "an aluminum body that melted". Sheffield was struck in the machinery spaces. The gravity-fed header tank of her fuel system disgorged its fuel, spraying it about the engines space when the missile impact severed the fuel line. Broken casings on some of the gas turbines caused an intolerable high-pitched whine which kept damage control crews out of the space. Because Sheffield had no emergency generator outside her machinery spaces (cost cutting) she lost electrical power. Fires from the Exocet's rocket motor could not be easily put out as the fuel contained its own oxidizer. Smoke filled the machinery spaces and the lack of smoke barriers (cost cutting) meant the crew could not remain aboard. Melting aluminum (other than ladders) was not a factor.
The losses of Type 42 destroyers in the Falkland's were due to conscious cost-cutting gambles made in the design stage to keep the ships affordable in the numbers required.
Shorter than Type 82
@@k.kavala - Nobody said otherwise
@@MFitz12 I object to objection1
And the Royal Navy has still not learned from that in their new ships . Which are also under armed . The sea sceptre cannot shoot down ballistic missiles nor does it have true BVR capability . The RM Missed a big trick I think
@@darshanaratnayake6186 - Sea Sceptre isn't supposed to do those things. Not a requirement. It is, like its predecessor Sea Wolf a fundamentally ship self defense system.
Not every ship needs or should have a BVR area air defense missile with ATBM capability - which is very expensive.
That is why no navy puts such capability on every ship.
HMS Cardiff shot down the British Army Gazelle, almost two weeks after HMS Coventry was sunk.
Sea Dart Firings and Kills
9th May 1982 - HMS Coventry - 3 Missiles fired. 2 at target at maximum range missed. One killed the Puma Helicopter.
22th May 1982 - HMS Cardiff - 2 missiles fired at an Argentinean Air Force 707 which was doing a reconnaissance flight over the British shipping route. Fired at Maximum range, the 707 managed to evade the missiles by going into a steep dive.
25th May 1982 - HMS Coventry - 3 Missiles fired. 2 shot down 2 skyhawks. One fired at a plane that hit her which missed.
25th May 1982 - HMS Invincible - 6 fired during the Exocet attack that sank Atlantic Conveyor. Most likely fired at Chaff clouds from another ship.
30th May 1982 - HMS Exeter - 3 missiles fired at the Exocet and 2 out of 4 Skyhawks attacking HMS Avenger and herself. First missile missed, second pair killed the two Skyhawks. Exeter had not had chance to load her Sea Dart Magazine to full war stocks when she was deployed from the Caribbean sea and she only had ten missiles onboard (she had left the UK with 15 missiles, but had fired 5 of them in a big exercise with the US Navy). She did get solid lock on the other two Skyhawks, but due to her captain not knowing when he was going to get reload missiles, he let them go.
6th June 1982 - HMS Cardiff Blue on Blue.
7th June 1982 - HMS Exeter fired 2 missiles at 2 Learjet photo reconnaissance aircraft. One missile went rogue due to a software bug in the fire control system which had been known about for 5 years and not fixed!!! But the other missile blew the tail off the other Learjet at maximum range,
14th June 1982 - HMS Cardiff shot down a Canberra.
Cardiff fired 9 missiles during the war, so its a good bet she fired two missiles at the three targets she is known to have engaged. what happened to the other 3 missiles isn't recorded.
Exeter fired at least 5 missiles, three of which hit targets.
Coventry fired at least 6 missiles, three of which hit targets
Apparently there were 36 attempted Sea Dart Firings by the Royal navy during the War. 33 of the Missiles actually flew (the three that didn't failed to launch (or even load the launcher) due to Launcher Malfunctions caused by Sea Salt encrustation (2 round Salvo from HMS Glasgow) or Ice (a single missile from HMS Coventry) . Taking the 6 missiles fired by HMS Invincible off as they were not shot at an aircraft of any kind, that leaves 26 missiles. 2 fired by HMS Exeter and Coventry are known to have failed due to being inside minimum range and a software issue. which means 8 targets were killed by 24 missiles (and 3 targets were known to have been missed due to the missiles being fired at maximum range and the targets managing to evade the missile, with 2 missiles known to have been fired at one of them). I've seen figures of reliability for the missile quoted between 33.3% and 50% (if you fire a 2 round salvo at a target your Single Shot Kill Probability (SSKP) automatically drops to 50%.
Lot of rubbish spoken here, the 42s were not aluminium! The 21s were.
Nottingham nearly went down off australia drifting into reef cpt off ship having R&R.
Served on Southampton- 1st commission
I served on her 92-94)
Gun 25 rpm but how many rpm before ceasefire.
I think the US Navy were quite fond of the class in Gulf war 1. I seem to remember HMS Gloucester I think, intercepted a silkworm missile en route to sink an American capital ship, USS Missouri was it?
The Silkworm had already missed, but it was a good shot.
The trouble with the Type 42 was that as a result of cutting the design of the Type 82 down to the bare bones to save costs meant that they were always too small to be upgraded. This was improved with the stretched Type 42
The original design of the T42 was the 'stretched' version which was then redesigned further to the B1 and B2
British ships Name is History too.
When Chilean Navy went out to battle Flomar, 20 and 22nd december 1978, one of their concerns was the secondary capability of an argentinian Type 42 Sea Dart to engage surface targets up to 40 miles away. Anyhow, argentinians fled away north both times, when 200 hundred miles of the menacing chilean Escuadra, a habit that seems to have been deeply well embraced within Flomar's traditions.
Indomitable what a laugh ! The metal they were made from burned.
Designed to let the missile travel through than to keep it out.
I have followed the Type 42 class throughout the entirety of their careers.
I saw the first one, HMS Sheffield, being built in Barrow in Furness in the early 70s; (as well as the ARA Hercules).
I saw several of the class- including HMS Sheffield- at Portsmouth Navy Day in 1981; (as well as ARA Santissima Trinidad, which was moored alongside HMS Newcastle).
I saw various Type 42s at several Navy Days until 2010. I then saw HMS Edinburgh at the Battle of the Atlantic 70th Anniversary Commemoration in 2013, 29 years after I had seen her at Birkenhead being fitted out: (I was not the last civilian visitor to board HMS Edinburgh at Birkenhead but I was the last one to disembark).
So i have seen the Type 42 from before the entry of the first in class into service until the final decommissioning of the last one.
Good video.
Did you ever get any sea time on one Adrian? What attracted you to them to be such a big fan?
@@jonathanlegg4308 I have never served in the Royal Navy. However, some of my family worked in the Shipyard, Vickers at Barrow in Furness, that built some of these ships; (HMS Sheffield, HMS Cardiff, HMS Manchester and ARA Hercules). Thus I saw them when they were being built. I also saw various members of the class at various Navy Days including Portsmouth Navy Day 1981 where, in addition to various Royal Navy Type 42s I also saw the Argentinian ARA Santissima Trinidad.
The last time I saw them- other than laid up in Fareham Creek awaiting Disposal was during the Battle of the Atlantic 70th Anniversary Commemorations in Liverpool and Birkenhead in 2013. There I went aboard the last Type 42 operational HMS Edinburgh. I was not the last civilian visitor to embark but I was the last civilian visitor to disembark from her, in Birkenhead at least.
So, as you can see, I have literally been following them from when they were constructed since I was a young boy barely in his teens to when they were decommissioned as a mature man in his fifties.
@Adrian-qk2fn Wow, you have great connection with Type 42s. You mention a few there, one being the last ship I served on, Hms Cardiff. I also had drafts on Southampton and Newcastle. I have such great memories from back then, times I've never replicated in civvy street. If there is absolutely anything you'd like to know about what it was like to be on one of them, however small please ask. That said, it sounds like you know huge amounts already. 👍
@@jonathanlegg4308 Thank you. That sounds fascinating
I know a lot about the technical side of the ships but very little about what life was like onboard them.
I am sure you must have hundreds of different stories to tell and, when the time is suitable, I would like to hear some of them.
Coiuncidentally, if my memory is not playing me tricks, I was actually onboard HMS Newcastle for Portsmouth Navy Day 1981, although I believe only the Upper Decks were open to the public. Would you have been onboard then or did you serve on her much later?
@Adrian-qk2fn
I joined a few years after you'd had a look at her in April 89, I'd just turned 17. I had no idea we were starting a 5 month deployment to the Falklands the next morning 😳. Being a pretty quiet lad back then it was a real baptism of fire. It seems strange to say but the hardest part of being in the Navy is spending time at sea. Being very close to everyone is a social test and the watch keeping keeps you tired. I was given a mess square bunk which gave you a bit more space but getting an early night was impossible. First ever run ashore was Gibraltar where i managed to get myself severe sunburn on my legs after spending 4 hrs on the flight deck of Hms Ark Royal waiting for a friend to finish his watch so we could go for a drink. The 3 days bed rest given by the ships doc didn't go down very well with the lads considering I'd only been onboard for 3 days. Onto Ascension Island, and then the Falklands. The only place I ever had my passport stamped was in the post office at Port Stanley. Capsized a mirror dinghy at Mount Pleasant and nearly froze to death( hole in my wetsuit 🥶). The ships company were asked to vote on which place they wanted to visit on the way home for the much deserved station leave, Rio de Janeiro or Fort Lauderdale. 51%/49% in favour of Fort Lauderdale and I was happy with that. Super proud to arrive home in front of my family knowing I'd just gone through a huge learning curve and my eyes were now well and truly open. Apologies for going on a bit...
Calling the British no longer a World power in 1960 is a bit of a stretch ?? 8 Carriers 150 odd frigates and destroyers 240 odd surface combatants total.
Add the RCN, RAN and RNZN, another ~100 warships including four carriers.
@@advanceaustralia3513you can’t just add the navies of 4 other nations and still claim that’s the power of the Royal Navy.
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The four are all Royal Navy warships that are prefixed His Majesty’s Ship.
All defence personnel swear allegiance to the Crown, not their country of citizenship.
Only ships 🚢 that went to areal war since WW2.
I sailed around the world in 1986 on HMS Manchester a Batch 3 stretched. We were hit by HMS Amazon on a San Francisco pier and our quarterdeck tore a massive hole in her side. She was repaired in 24hrs by a very nice lady welder from the US Navy. Always remember that day. I was stowing the helicopter away in the hangar when it happened.
OK, Sheffield was caught with her pants down, but what happened when the Glasgow and Coventry got hit at point blank range?
Issues caused by the hull design which meant in heavy seas waves were splashing heavily over the gun/ sea dart system. so flash doors and micro switches were encrusted with sea salt prevented Sea Dart from being fired on several occasions, one of which happened on the raid Glasgow was hit. The Coventty loss happened because the type 909 was confused by the land as the ships were close to shore and then Coventry in trying to maneuver got in Broadsword's line of fire.when she was about to let loose Sea Wolf on the 2nd attempt. Issues with the escorting type 22's Sea Wolf system didn't help either during both attacks , but that was because it was designed as an anti missile missile so the computers threw a wobbly as there were instances when the targets behaved like aircraft and not missiles . As there was nothing in the programming to say that's still the target the computer would search for another target or crash as it didn't know what to do. As the war went on Sea Wolf was reprogrammed and re wired by a rep from the manufacturer Mr David Breen as he just happened to be on Billiant I think when they went south. When they worked both missile systems were deadly. Sea Dart did hit targets that were in theory below the min engagement height ( Exeter's Skyhawk kills ) and out of range (Cardiff 's Canberra) . Sandy Wooward who was Captain of Sheffield earlier in his career suspected some more Sea Dart launches were made when the target aircraft had to play ball and continue on course for the kill to be certain. He sent a message to Coventry earlier before that ship scored a kill saying "Don't fire till you see the whites of their eyes" hinting that he thought Coventry may have launched too soon when they seemed to miss a target.. That's easy to do when you're under pressure in war conditions ( launch early)
@@dcmchugh99 very informative, thanks!
I was on D92
Her majesty is not alive anymore
But, they only served Her majesty.
Thanks for revoicing the video. You almost eliminated the early robot voice videos
We , my Ship and I ( USS LUCE ) sailed with the Royal Navy destroyers with NATO back in the late 70s .
They worked just fine
They worked pretty well when I was on them.
Can we get a video about the german U212 class (plus export variants, future CD upgrade) next?
My Killick served on almost all 42s before they were decommissioned, gorgeous ships
Imagine a royal navy if the labor government hadn't taken the country
Same here...they were the workhorses of the Navy for some time. Did the job just fine.
The Batch IIIs were also recognition that the original ships were too cramped for the amount of equipment.
The Batch 3s were the gorgeous looking ships.
Why there is no close up missile like sea wolf using in type 22 on type 42, maybe a 4/6 launcher on top of the helicopter hanger?
Simple the MOD live on the cheap it would cost to much to put seawolf instread a couple of gpmgs you might just hit a jet .
Sea Wolf was not a thing yet when Type 42 was designed.
British policy at the time was for fundamentally single-role ships. One class would carry Sea Dart while another would carry Sea Wolf and yet another would carry Ikara. This even boiled down to Exocet, with re-built Leander's getting either Exocet OR Ikara. To get Sea Dart AND Sea Wolf on one hull you need a much bigger ship, which means more cost which means fewer ships.
Type 42, particularly in Batch 1 and 2 could not accommodate Sea Wolf, which was hardly a compact system. Look at the very expensive near complete rebuilding of the Batch 3 "Seawolf Leander's where entire bulkheads had to be relocated for illustration. Heck, as built the Type 42 didn't have enough reserve to accommodate STWS-1 torpedo tubes!
Personally, I always thought the Dutch Tromp class frigates (whose basic design came from Yarrow in the UK) did it all rather better.
Yeah minimum of two layers of missiles and a double barrel 120mm Bofors gun and later Goalkeeper.
And fitted with Harpoon adding offensive capability.
@@McCorduRoy1972 - Standard SM-1 was in many ways less capable than Sea Dart circa 1982, but not in any way that would have really mattered in the Falkland's. Having an additional channel of missile fire forward for full 360 coverage would have prevented the situations we saw with the Type 42's were Sea Dart was sometimes blinded by the ship being pointed the wrong way, requiring hard maneuvers and "over-the-shoulder" shots.
Having search radars with MTI even more important.
And an ESM system that doesn't need to be shut off when you want to talk to someone.
@@MFitz12 A lightweight 4 Round Sea Wolf Launcher was in developement for fitting to the Type 42's, in place of the aft Type 909 Radar but the idea was dropped without any being made.
Realy I like this powerful destroyer
Interesting that the Brits now have two full sized carriers
Un pais de tercer mundo hundio al sherffield en 1982, Por la Armada Argentina
Un país del "tercer mundo" que hoy está más cerca del cuarto que del segundo.
@@The28111958ya ahora dilo sin llorar.
Previous to the falklands argentina was an ally of nato and uk. and as such had a good navy any airforce, as stated elsewhere the exocet was not alarmed by sheffield as her ew was turned off during satcoms. I served on manchested first commission and by then the errors had been fixed. Most of mznchesters cdwe was made up of survivors of manch and coventry.
Sretched 42 had much better sea keeping than earlier ships. Good vid though and nice shots of d95.
@@albbu8 The Super Etendards we’re the only Modern Aircraft Argentina Had. From what I’ve been told, the radars on the Mirages weren’t working well anymore and Argentine pilots had to rely on ground stations, the British had far better missiles, and they had night vision.
To rub salt in the wounds the super entandard was picked up by other ships as they had to climb above the radar horizon to identify the target in order to program the info into the Exocet.
The target was identified and informed passed by link 11 but not acted on specifically by the group.
The whole debacle was sad venture both by the Argentine forces and uk as a result of dictators ambitions for the re own glory ........sounds familiar 40years on ??????!!!!!
Yes, but what about those strengthening beams. Why were they necessary?
In use,especially with the experience gained from the Falklands War,some ships were found to suffer from Hull Twisting ( technical term is 'hogging' i believe ),in particular the Type 21 Frigates.This was remedied post war,but with the advent of the stretched Batch 3 Type 42 and the Batch 3 Type 22 Ships issues were again found and the strengthening Beams had to be fitted.
The Batch 3 ships with lengthened hulls were found to be structurally weak as a result, requiring large reinforcing strakes.
Sadly, Her Majesty passed away last Sept. It is now His Majesty's navy.
*English Navy.
@@AethelwulfOfNordHymbraLand2333 You are forgetting Scotland, Wales and Ireland.
there's a special place in hell for people who uses words like "first code war"